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No one knows; records are sketchy. James returned to Jerusalem and was beheaded by Herod, so he was in no condition to go to the end of the earth. Perhaps.Or I am not right?
There is next to nothing known about any pilgrimage, Christian or otherwise, to Fisterra and Muxia before the year 1400 but there's a lot of enthralling speculation.I have often wondered if there is some historical reason for this camino to the coast after arriving in Santiago de Compostela. I am very interested in learning about the story and am most grateful for any insight any of you might have about this.
Not really. The Romans didn't call the place that is known to us as Fisterra (Galician) or Finisterre (Spanish) anything that resembles "end of the world" or "end of the land". While the name is derived from Latin, it appeared for the first time only in the Middle Ages. I can dig up a few studies or books where it is explained that stories and rituals surrounding it have been somewhat reinvented by contemporary authors or by those writing in the 19th century if someone's terribly interested in these sources which I somehow doubt.Santiago de Compostela is connected to St James. He was faithful to Jesus, who ordered them to go to the End of the World. At that Roman time it was generally understood, where FINIS TERRE is. Romans gave the name.
Or I am not right?
Santiago de Compostela is connected to St James. He was faithful to Jesus, who ordered them to go to the End of the World. At that Roman time it was generally understood, where FINIS TERRE is. Romans gave the name.
Or I am not right?
There never was a Roman outpost called "Finnis Terrae" anywhere. And secondly, that was said to all the apostles and not just to James. And lastly, this connection only works on the basis of a suitable Bible version in English where this short phrase in Acts 1:8 says indeed "to the end of the earth". It fails miserably for Latin because the versions of the Vulgate that I just checked don't say "finis terrae" at all in Acts 1:8. They say: "ad ultimum terrae".St. James followed Acts 1:8. Finnis Terrae was a Roman outpost which means literally "End of the Earth". So he went to the ends of the Earth. So if you talk about Camino, St James and Finisterre, this is the link that I can think of that binds them together.
There never was a Roman outpost called "Finnis Terrae". And secondly, that was said to all the apostles and not just to James. And lastly, this connection works on the basis of a suitable Bible version in English where this short phrase in Acts 1:8 says indeed "to the end of the earth". It doesn't work for any linguistic version of the Bible and more importantly it fails miserably for Latin because the versions of the Vulgate that I just checked don't say "finis terrae" at all in Acts 1:8. They say: "ad ultimum terrae".
Totallyprolly (...) there is a likelihood (...) probably (...) maybe
Totally.
I didn't make any statements at all about what happened 2000 years ago. I also have no issues with what people believe.well unless, you are 2000 years old you were never there. We just use both what was handed over through oral tradition and written texts..
I didn't make any statements at all about what happened 2000 years ago. I also have no issues with what people believe.
I find it interesting how places get their names and how they change over centuries. For some places in Europe, we can trace names back for thousands of years, for many others or perhaps most, not more than 1000 to 1200 years.
No, I addressed the issue of the name Fisterra/Finisterre. We happen to know what the Romans called the capes in this area. None of them was called Finis Terrae.Well, you had a problem with me using likelihood and probably. The reason for that is that I was not there 2000 years ago and I just rely on oral traditions and written texts.
No, I addressed the issue of the name Fisterra/Finisterre. We happen to know what the Romans called the capes in this area. None of them was called Finis Terrae.
Your post made me sad. I reread the last chapter of Lord of the Rings, titled, "To the Grey Havens," which always makes me cry. There is something in this tradition which points to the mystery of what happens to the person at death: movement into the infinite unknown, which we can only approach with metaphor.That was our boat. That was the boat that sailed us across the sundering seas into the light that would last forever.
It's broken so we don't mind who borrows it
Probably a really stupid question but I thought that place was known as John o'Groats and Land's End is at the other end?We have Lands End which is the northernmost tip of Scotland (it isn't really, there is another head that is slightly further north) so maybe many cultures whose land ended at an ocean that seemed to go on forever named the furthermost point the same?
@Pelegrin, who else to ask this than the forum's resident GalicianMuxia was a place for pagan worship where the main subject was the stones (pedra de abalar and pedra dos cadris).
That is certainly true.Same as for the OP the true end of Camino for me is coming to the ocean.
But if you start walking in Fisterra-Muxia or Muxia-Fisterra and then to Santiago you can get the Compostela. So actually it is a official Jacobean pilgrim route
@DavidThe Gods Must be Crazy?? I Love that film! I have never met anyone else who has ever seen it!!
The origins, like the dreams, remain hidden, shrouded by the mists of the longue durée. Walking to Muxia and Finisterre this year, I learned that the walk to the ends of the earth was popularised in the 14th century by a Hungarian pilgrim. Naturally, this news was meat and drink to the two Hungarians who were my companions. we stayed in Hungarian-run albergues in both towns, the hospitality excellent both times.
That must be Georgius Grissaphan, a Hungarian ex-military man to whom we owe one of the earliest accounts of a visit to Fisterra in 1355. He subsequently visited another liminal site, namely Lough Derg in Ireland.in the 14th century by a Hungarian pilgrim
And Grissaphan who was traumatised by his participation in wars in Italy writes this about his planned trip to Ireland: in finibus mundi, videlicet in Ybernia, que est ultima mundi provincia in parte occidentali, i.e. he wants to go Lough Derg which is "at the end of the world, that is to say in Ireland, which is the last province in the Western part of the world".Georgius Grissaphan, a Hungarian ex-military man to whom we owe one of the earliest accounts of a visit to Fisterra in 1355. He subsequently visited another liminal site, namely Lough Derg in Ireland.
@Kathar1na - The Gods Must be Crazy?? I Love that film! I have never met anyone else who has ever seen it!!
(Before today that is).
not too sure about the sequel though.
Two opposite ends of the earth that are easy to find (especially for Kiwis) are the buildings at the top of the ski lift at Temple Basin ski area in Arthur's Pass National Park, NZ and the spot on the CF where you have walked around the Santiago airport and then take a right to put the runway to your back.As we live at the end of the world, check it out NZs always about to fall of the map (if it is there at all) I kinda like visiting a place with similar associations.
I saw it when it came out and perhaps once or twice since, but I have to admit not recently.@Kathar1na - The Gods Must be Crazy?? I Love that film! I have never met anyone else who has ever seen it!!
(Before today that is).
not too sure about the sequel though.
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