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Really? Rights? Nothing about respect for others, compasion, good old savoir vivre?I pay the same and have the same rights as late sleepers. Who btw make the staff nervous as some people are late getting out thus throwing off the schedule.
Well most of the Alburgue I have been staying in the doors open at 630. I leave early as well. So I get up pack my gear and go as quiet as i can. I pay the same and have the same rights as late sleepers. Who btw make the staff nervous as some people are late getting out thus throwing off the schedule. It's futile. Good luck with your endeavors. Or get a room
My thoughts. Oh I am a walker not just a talker.
I just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate it.
Headlamp flashers, stumblethumpers, plastic bag stuffers, toilet door slammers, and "Jose/Johnny/Johan" shushers can put a pilgrim off albergues forever.I just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate it.
I just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate it.
If they have woken you up, why not speak to them at that time? A semi polite, "Please, I and the others are trying to sleep." Might (only might) give them a clue.
If you see them at the next place you plan to stay, say in a loud voice "Nope, not staying with THEM again. Woke up everyone in the place far too early the other day." Or ask them if they will again rise early and wake everyone up again, if so you can leave.
Thanks, if I see bikes - I can look for someplace else to stay.I cannot figure out why the bike riders have to get up so early.
Thanks, if I see bikes - I can look for someplace else to stay.
Question, what is early and what is late?
Is there some exact time everyone should wake up all together? (this is never going to happen)
There is no consistency. Even places with a "rule" on leaving early cannot enforce it. Six o'clock is typical with or without a rule. Most albergues want the place cleared by 8 to 8:30 so that they can clean and get some free time before the next group of pilgrims at 1 to 3 p.m.From what I have read (not been yet) many places have a 6am wake up call so everyone can be out the door by 8am. It may depend on when the sun comes up.
Good post. Agree with you; but, as others told you...the ones who need to know that are not reading on here. And they don't care about others.
Walked three Caminos and everyone there were certain people who had no consideration for others. Worse was Burma on the English Way. Few guys got up around 4 or so. Turned lights on. Talked loud. Left outside door open when they went back and forth to the bathroom and the dorm area. Moved chairs and table in the kitchen area. made horrible noise.
Bad news is this was not the only place I have ran into these types.
My way of dealing with them is when they, and they do, go to bed at 7 pm I make all the noise I want.
I noticed this type goes to bed early and gets up early.
Good post. Agree with you; but, as others told you...the ones who need to know that are not reading on here. And they don't care about others.
Walked three Caminos and everyone there were certain people who had no consideration for others. Worse was Bruma on the English Way. Few guys got up around 4 or so. Turned lights on. Talked loud. Left outside door open when they went back and forth to the bathroom and the dorm area. Moved chairs and table in the kitchen area. made horrible noise.
Bad news is this was not the only place I have ran into these types.
My way of dealing with them is when they, and they do, go to bed at 7 pm I make all the noise I want.
I noticed this type goes to bed early and gets up early. Which was totally uncalled for on the English Way. There were plenty of rooms. Legs between places were not that far.
Over all, my opinion of people on the Camino keeps going down hill. There are more and more RUDE people walking the Camino now. Be it bikers on the trail, or those rude ones in the A'berg. I am about ready to give up walking Caminos. Getting tired of the RUDE ones on the Camino now.
I guess a way to stop this stuff is for all of us to speak up when they are not considerate of others. Let them know what they are doing wrong.
You nailed it. Preaching to the choir lolGood idea, but I think you are "preaching to the choir" here on the forum ;-) Buen Camino, SY
One more reason I plan on staying mostly in hostels pensions & hotelsFrom what I have read (not been yet) many places have a 6am wake up call so everyone can be out the door by 8am. It may depend on when the sun comes up.
There are probably a few, during the early days, with time issues between where they came from and where they are. I seem to wake up in the middle of the night, hungry, because my hunger alarm hasn't changed time zones. (9hr)
Just like driving. Everyone going faster than you is a maniac.Question, what is early and what is late?
Is there some exact time everyone should wake up all together? (this is never going to happen)
The mistake many of us make. In our daily lives and on the Camino is we assume everyone is intelligent and or should be considerate.It's always entertaining to read the complaints about appalling behaviour in albergues. The most amusing account I've heard is of the pilgrim who woke up early one morning, before anyone else was up, and went into the kitchen. A few minutes later he came back into the dormitorio and announced in a loud voice, "Tea's ready, dear."
I'm off to bed now. There won't be a soul there to bother me.
While I agree that selfish and self righteous folk are hard to be around, I'm inclined to think that it may also not be entirely their fault they are that way; each of us is a product of our past. Who knows what life experiences people have had? I'm not in any way excusing the selfish and self righteous, just saying that sometimes it's hard to work through the pain to become the type of person one might like to be. Perhaps the wish to be a better person is what calls some folk to the camino. To paraphrase @jozero in another thread, perhaps these persons need to walk until it doesn't hurt anymore................
On the other hand, selfish and self righteous folks are the ones who get under my skin.
I just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate it.
I can't disagree with that. People are complicated.While I agree that selfish and self righteous folk are hard to be around, I'm inclined to think that it may also not be entirely their fault they are that way; each of us is a product of our past. Who knows what life experiences people have had? I'm not in any way excusing the selfish and self righteous, just saying that sometimes it's hard to work through the pain to become the type of person one might like to be. Perhaps the wish to be a better person is what calls some folk to the camino. To paraphrase @jozero in another thread, perhaps these persons need to walk until it doesn't hurt anymore.
I've got a theory for that too! Theories, I am not short of. But I'll keep it to myself and stay out of trouble........We had at work this one guy who was the most ignorant self righteous opinionated SOB you ever saw.
But he would be the first one to get out of bed in the middle of the night if your car broke down. The first guy to offer to help someone who was moving. The first guy to buy a round of drinks. Generous to a fault he was.
As an early riser I have no problem with the request, and abide by it.
Can I ask that you late going to bed set your stuff when you get there, and stay quiet when I'm trying to sleep. The other day pilgrims came in turned on the lights, then shined headlight in my face while talking because they didn't get things ready when they arrived
Hi Jean françois and welcome to the forum
I don't think anyone is saying that the rude ones cannot change; it's just that it may be very difficult to change. However, believe it or not, there are some people who cannot change - something in their makeup prevents them from doing so - but those ones I don't think you will find on camino.Saying that the rude ones are a product of their environment is also saying they can't change, which I find difficult to believe. Maybe the truth is they do not want to change or see no reason to. But isn't that part of the Camino experience, to become a better person??
That was my solution too ! But even that annoyed those who wanted to judgeOne more reason I plan on staying mostly in hostels pensions & hotels
I am the same once I wake I want to get up and going and the early mornings withsun rising over the country are a wonder to behold !If I ever want/need to leave early, I simply bundle up my gear, take it outside the dorm and pack in the kitchen/communal area etc. Simple really and very quiet.
By the way, I never go to bed early; I'm just a light sleeper, and once I'm awake that's it...I'm just a little boy, excited to get back outside to play
I think the people who go to bed at 8pm and then do non-subtle coughs if you dare make a noise are just as annoying.
As several have said, it's all about respect and basic politeness & manners.
The mistake many of us make. In our daily lives and on the Camino is we assume everyone is intelligent and or should be considerate.
I'm constantly reminding my wife and friends it's not someone's fault they were not born more intelligent, anymore than it's our fault we are not smart enough to be rocket scientists or brain surgeons.
On the other hand, selfish and self righteous folks are the ones who get under my skin.
Last year I thought if only it were possible for the albergue to ask on check in : are you an early or late riser and then try to group like minds together .
I would love to hear your theory on this guy lolI've got a theory for that too! Theories, I am not short of. But I'll keep it to myself and stay out of trouble.
Not going to happen.I would love to hear your theory on this guy lol
Great idea in my opinionThey did just that at the Albergue in Grañon: early risers in one room and later risers upstairs...
I always took all my stuff out to the kitchen/lobby/hallway to pack up in the morning, like Rich1 said. Why mess around trying to quietly pack in a dark room?? I don't get that. I segregated my things into little stuff sacks and it was easy to grab my pack, sticks, and any stuff sacks that were out and drag them out of the sleeping room. Way more convenient.
One of my goals on the Camino was to stop being so judgmental and fuming about how everyone else "should" be acting. I never accomplished this goal. I only found new categories of things about everybody else that bug me. My greatest wrath was saved for bicyclists who sped down the trail and didn't warn walkers that they were coming. But I wasn't above being furious about the people who took up the whole clothes line with their towels spread all out or even getting annoyed by the guy walking ahead of me who looked dumb in his convertible pants (why the hell not just wear shorts all the time like I do?). Some pilgrim I am.
The only thing that keeps me from spontaneous self-combustion is my sense of humor, mostly about myself.
I just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate 0it.
Your avatar says it all!We stayed at El Pilar, in Rabanal on our last Frances. Our beds were right next to the door and those very early risers were going in and out, slamming the door or simply left it open. The very cold morning air would rush across our bunks, making an already cold morning much colder and uncomfortable for all. Either I, or our bunk mate, would go over to close the door every single time and quite frankly it was getting a bit annoying due to the frequency.
One early riser quickly came back through thinking the door was open, and it was a bit concealed due to the braids hanging across the doorway, and smacked his head pretty good on the glass door. I have to admit we did chuckle a little. Karma, it has a tendency to visit those that deserve it most, and I admit that some days its me that it visits!
Your avatar says it all!
Was he helping with dinner? lolBut we are allowed to vent, aren't we? I still laugh at the time I had to deal with a fellow-peregrina's ire after she saw someone, who had just used the facilities, exit the shared bathroom without washing his hands.
Didn't see. I was too busy dealing with my friend's horror.Was he helping with dinner? lol
Well, what's the worst that could happen? ha haDidn't see. I was too busy dealing with my friend's horror.
I'd rather have lights since my eyes are closed then noise...I don't know if you can have both... those early people always confused me to want to walk in the dark. Maybe early beds by the door and a snore room would be a part of my albergueI just returned from the Camino Frances. If you intend to leave the albergue very early (5:30 a.m.), please do not turn on the lights for the entire room and speak in a loud voice. It is disturbing to those who want to sleep until 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m. Please have your backpack packed and ready to go and just slip out quietly. It is courteous and those who would like to get up later would greatly appreciate it.
Annoyed by inconsiderated early risers? Just avoid summer.
I guarantee that nobody is hurried to leave when it is freezing and dark outside. And actually, hospitaleros give some latitude to the 8 AM leaving rule.
... they are all washed up and spend the whole afternoon napping away, then they try to turn the lights off before 8PM, sorry lights off is at 10PM or earlier if all the other pilgrims agree.
JillGat and Rich1 - That, in my opinion, is the right way to do it.I always took all my stuff out to the kitchen/lobby/hallway to pack up in the morning, like Rich1 said. Why mess around trying to quietly pack in a dark room?? I don't get that. I segregated my things into little stuff sacks and it was easy to grab my pack, sticks, and any stuff sacks that were out and drag them out of the sleeping room. Way more convenient.
One of my goals on the Camino was to stop being so judgmental and fuming about how everyone else "should" be acting. I never accomplished this goal. I only found new categories of things about everybody else that bug me. My greatest wrath was saved for bicyclists who sped down the trail and didn't warn walkers that they were coming. But I wasn't above being furious about the people who took up the whole clothes line with their towels spread all out or even getting annoyed by the guy walking ahead of me who looked dumb in his convertible pants (why the hell not just wear shorts all the time like I do?). Some pilgrim I am.
The only thing that keeps me from spontaneous self-combustion is my sense of humor, mostly about myself.
I was also occasionally outraged by people who woke me up early in the morning, but for the most part I enjoyed staying in albergues much more than I expected to after reading about this kind of thing on this forum!
Isn't this a bit harsh? Talking about rights etc..." Your rights end where mine begin " springs to mind.
Like the OP writes : it is about courtesy.
Sorry to all the hospis that I must have made nervous by staying in the albergue till 8 am.
Not to mention those three occasions where I actually stayed until 9 am because we got into a nice conversation....Shame one me[/QUOTE
SabineP,
In the movie " The Way", hospitalero tells Tom, "Americans are always late'. And, once when I was dragging out of bed at 8an, hospitalero told me North Americans, are often late. I always made it out just before clean-up; but barely.
Well most of the Alburgue I have been staying in the doors open at 630. I leave early as well. So I get up pack my gear and go as quiet as i can. I pay the same and have the same rights as late sleepers. Who btw make the staff nervous as some people are late getting out thus throwing off the schedule. It's futile. Good luck with your endeavors. Or get a room
My thoughts. Oh I am a walker not just a talker.
All is forgotten after the first 5km... a new day!!I pay the same and have the same rights as late sleepers.
It's all about respect for each other.
Nothing more nothing less.
Delete the first line,made a mistake quoting it from some one else.All is forgotten after the first 5km... a new day!!
I think municipalities are a a big part of the caminoDeleted
I experienced this during my camino... I would get to the albergue and enter a dark room, try to unpack/wash/go out to eat thinking I'd have some time to repack my stuff later. But the lights would be out again when I come back and I'd prepare for sleep as quiet as I can in the dark. In the morning I'd start to prepare for the walk when everyone is up and wouldn't have enough time to pack, just throw everything in my backpack.
What is the proper way to handle lights out before 8PM?
About early risers: from reading about the Camino, I thought starting early was necessary. I walked Portuguese way in October and realised you can't walk in the dark (and everything before 8AM was too dark). French way in the summer starts earlier but isn't 5:30 still too early? Do they walk in the dark?
Yeah, exactly. All wars start like this.But doesn't this become an endless cycle? Them making noise in the morning and you making noise in the early evening to get back at them?
HAH! I remember reading that one!!It's always entertaining to read the complaints about appalling behaviour in albergues. The most amusing account I've heard is of the pilgrim who woke up early one morning, before anyone else was up, and went into the kitchen. A few minutes later he came back into the dormitorio and announced in a loud voice, "Tea's ready, dear."
I'm off to bed now. There won't be a soul there to bother me.
Perhaps because it has become soooo popular and people don't walk it for the traditional reasons anymore that it attracts people who are largely insensitive by and large in their everyday lives (perhaps a huge generalization but hopefully you know what I mean). You can take the boy out of the bog but you can't take the bog out of the boy.With rights come responsibility all folks want is a modicum of sensitivity and courtesy to a fellow pilgrim. Are we talking to the converted? Yes jeepers creepers there must be an echo in hereDone the "asking" in a polite manner. Got no where. Got rude replies. Stares and glares.
I cannot figure out why the bike riders have to get up so early. Anyone know?
They can make lots of Kms on their bikes. So, why have to get up so early?
All of this rings back to the bike incident where a woman was assaulted. For being on the wrong side of the trail.
In the last few years I have walked three Caminos. Every year people are ruder and ruder.
By the way, I actually walked 3.5 Caminos. The first attempt, did not complete it, was in 1981. What a different world it was then. R E S P E C T was there.
Now that's the sort of thing that's going to keep me up all night what was the first line???Delete the first line,made a mistake quoting it from some one else.
Wish you well,Peter.
Would love to hear more about Shikoku. It was my understanding it is not as organised as the Frances, with nights spent on the beach in your tent, depending on locals' charity for food, and some rather adventurous river crossings and many scary snakes.I'm just home from walking the 88 Temple Henro in Japan, an amazing journey. There things are well organized in your minshuku accommodation. Breakfast most days at 6 am and then you are free to leave and walk to your hearts content.
Hi. I'll have a look and let you know if there is a reference here. It is indeed a very special experience. Yes lots of snakes in the jungle areas (but this is manageable) and the walk is much more challenging than anything I've walked so far in Europe. I lost over 10 lbs, and I didn't have much extra on me to loose before I left!Would love to hear more about Shikoku. It was my understanding it is not as organised as the Frances, with nights spent on the beach in your tent, depending on locals' charity for food, and some rather adventurous river crossings and many scary snakes.
Mind you, that is for those who chose to walk vs those bussing, which is a-ok on that pilgrimage. Again, as far as I understand it.
If there is a Shikiku sub-forum on this Forum, would you post more about it there?
Could it be ........ what the eyes don't see, the heart don't feel ?Why do I never see the early risers complain about the folks that spend half the morning sleeping the day away? LOL
I pay the same and have the same rights as late sleepers.Now that's the sort of thing that's going to keep me up all night what was the first line???
Anything is possibleCould it be ........ what the eyes don't see, the heart don't feel ?
Probably an early riser who dreamt they had slept in lateBragging: I sleep late and like a stone so I miss all posted excitement. Only awakened twice in all caminos ... by nocturnal screamers who could have animated the dead.
I took a private room in Leon and slept till 11... I laughed because I didn't think to set an alarm because all those people were my alarm lolProbably an early riser who dreamt they had slept in late
Thank you.It seems to apply to this thread as well as many other aspects in life.
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