lovelyshell
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- October/November 2016
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Still on the Camino. I chose to leave my long sleeve merino T at home with no regrets after 3 weeks.
I hike hot and my light weight fleece is full zip, critical for temperature adjusting. After days of 33 and 35 degrees, we got near Leon and cold rains hit. Even the next 2 days at 15 degrees without rain but a wind chill near freezing, I was using my short sleeved merino T, fleece, rain jacket and pants for warmth and my buff!!
There is the cold of winter & the cold of being outdoors for hours away from any heat sorce, The body needs energy much like game animals get stressed in the winter, when all they due is search for food & getting chased they loose what little energy they have left & perish. My point is the cold you experience even in Alaska you typically can go back home even after a couple days or shelter. But if you walk for days in bad weather I froze my ass off in 80 deg cold even when it is well above freezing until I could get food.That's impossible. at 15 degrees even a 100 knot wind wouldn't create a 0 degree windchill
But I don't doubt that you felt as though you were freezing
I wouldn't even consider wearing that much clothes to hike in until it was below -10 C. I need to remember how cold sensitive the members of this forum are when I read recommendations. LOL!
That's impossible. at 15 degrees even a 100 knot wind wouldn't create a 0 degree windchill
But I don't doubt that you felt as though you were freezing
I wouldn't even consider wearing that much clothes to hike in until it was below -10 C. I need to remember how cold sensitive the members of this forum are when I read recommendations. LOL!
Hi,
I'm heading out of SJDPP in early October. I see on a lot of the packing lists to bring a fleece. I am not a big fan of fleece, wore one on the Inca Trail years ago and it drove me crazy because they feel so constricting to me, plus a lot of them are 3/4 zip/mock turtleneck which I am also not a fan of. That being said if I bring my Patagonia lightweight puffer (compresses nice and small) do I even need a fleece or would a midweight base layer suffice? I'm planning to also bring a lightweight base layer and merino lightweight layer. Can anyone help get me sorted on this decision before I go crazy?? Fleece, midweight tech or a midweight merino? While I am at it... what's the general consensus on sleeping bag & silk liner, just liner or just the sleeping bag, given this time of year. Many thanks in advance for your thoughtful opinions!
Rule for COLD is Clean Overlapping Layers of Dry clothes.
You don't need to bring a fleece jacket if you don't want to.
You don't need to bring your your sleeping bag either.
Anyone can be uncomfortable on the camino. Some people would consider a pilgrimage without suffering to be missing the point.
I brought light fleece tuque, scarf, wool gloves, two fleece jackets 100 and 300, rain gear (useful to cut wind). I only wore the 300 evenings and the tuque was used only at night in bed. The scarf draped over shoulders and under the light fleece was enough to keep warm while walking on frosty mornings. Gloves went on in any cool or wet weather.
Merino is nice for a couple weeks because of its odor free characteristic. Then it becomes a pain in the ass because laundry is scarce and Merino takes forever to dry in weak autumn sunlight. Leave the merino at home. Wear regular long sleeve shirts.
Don't go crazy. Its just a walk in the countryside ... its not like you're going to be in the Himalayas. People do this in jeans and a t-shirt so if you don't normally have a use for better gear don't buy it.
Thanks for the "live" update! Sounds like a fleece will be helpful and I got one tonight at REI that suits my needs. Good thing I did, it sounds like you really needed the cold weather items you had to use today. I'd rather be prepared and warm with the right gear even if I have to buy something new. Safe travels, hope you've warmed up!I would urge you to take a fleece or something comparatively warm! I crossed the mountains from Orrison to Roncevalles (and further) today, and up there it was freezing cold! I come from Germany, and used to the cold and don't freeze quickly. I was literally shivering ... it was raining, very strong wind from the side, and it felt like in winter. Everyone I met felt miserable, and I collected a bad cold. I was wearing only a shirt and my poncho up to the shelter near the border, and then added the fleece, my buff, cape, fresh socks.. and still froze.
I am in Burgos at the moment. It was less than 12 degrees this morning. I have a light down jacket and I have already worn it half a dozen times. I have a silk liner and Costco down throw. The throw was mentioned on this forum. I have been very glad of the extra warmth. Yes there are blankets...but not every where. The temperature have varied from daytime highs in mid 30s to lows around 10.Hi,
I'm heading out of SJDPP in early October. I see on a lot of the packing lists to bring a fleece. I am not a big fan of fleece, wore one on the Inca Trail years ago and it drove me crazy because they feel so constricting to me, plus a lot of them are 3/4 zip/mock turtleneck which I am also not a fan of. That being said if I bring my Patagonia lightweight puffer (compresses nice and small) do I even need a fleece or would a midweight base layer suffice? I'm planning to also bring a lightweight base layer and merino lightweight layer. Can anyone help get me sorted on this decision before I go crazy?? Fleece, midweight tech or a midweight merino? While I am at it... what's the general consensus on sleeping bag & silk liner, just liner or just the sleeping bag, given this time of year. Many thanks in advance for your thoughtful opinions!
Thanks Sandra, I'm not bringing my down jacket because of not being waterproof but I got a fleece that will be a good insulating layer.I am in Burgos at the moment. It was less than 12 degrees this morning. I have a light down jacket and I have already worn it half a dozen times. I have a silk liner and Costco down throw. The throw was mentioned on this forum. I have been very glad of the extra warmth. Yes there are blankets...but not every where. The temperature have varied from daytime highs in mid 30s to lows around 10.
So glad my Costco quilt discovery is working well for you. I am so happy as you are the 2nd person to mention it this week. Yeah Costco discoveries!I have a silk liner and Costco down throw. The throw was mentioned on this forum. I have been very glad of the extra warmth. Yes there are blankets...but not every where. The temperature have varied from daytime highs in mid 30s to lows around 10.
Rule for COLD is Clean Overlapping Layers of Dry clothes.
Don't go crazy. Its just a walk in the countryside ... its not like you're going to be in the Himalayas. People do this in jeans and a t-shirt so if you don't normally have a use for better gear don't buy it.
I understand all of what you are saying above and most of my gear is stuff I already have, I'm just trying to sort out what I should bring. My luggage was lost going to Inca Trail and not found, so I've done a short trek without a prrfect packing plan and was fine. However this is longer and I just want to be prepared. There's a lot of information on this forum and I just needed some clarity. I don't live in a cold weather climate so layers aren't my speciality. It would be nice if this forum was a little more understanding and not so harsh/condescending in some replies. Where's the spirit of the Camino I keep hearing about? Wow.
... It would be nice if this forum was a little more understanding and not so harsh/condescending in some replies. Where's the spirit of the Camino I keep hearing about? Wow.
I totally agree about being cold - liner and 1 lb sleeping bag for me.Hi there,
Base layer, insulating layer, rain layer.
If your puffer is down, leave it at home, it will be worthless when wet. If it's a Patagonia Nano, take it! Hiking in cold/wet weather is kind of similar to cross country skiing and I dress the same...base/insulating/shell. October won't be that cold but could be damp and chilly. As far as fleece, I'm a big fan of Arc'Teryx and their lightest fleece, full zip jacket. This fleece over a quick dry (or wool in cold weather) plus a shell works for me. It's called the Delta Lt and is on sale now at REI for $89 in red. Other colors available on other sites. Light gloves for early morning and a beanie or hood and you're good to go.
Everyone says to just take a liner but I got hypothermic somewhere after Sarria from being wet and cold for several days in mid-October 2012. One afternoon, I came in, took a hot shower and just couldn't warm up. As the peripheral blood supply starts warming, it shunts from the core and there is almost a secondary hypothermia. I was so grateful for my 1 pound sleeping bag and even with that, it took a while to stop shaking. So I bring it now and usually toss the liner in, too, for more options. The only time the bag stays home is in the summer or if I know I'm going to be in hotels.
Have fun and safe travels!
I totally agree about being cold - liner and 1 lb sleeping bag for me.
If weight is a matter of serious concern, take the puffer. If not take the fleece. Fleece are lovely and snuggly.
Being a spring or Autumn walker, I always take my down quilt or my sleeping bag. Never a liner as well. You can always wear additional clothes at night for warmth.
I'd take only a liner if I walked in summer.
Regards
Gerard
I walk in spring and I always take both a quarter zip fleece, a synthetic puff jacket, and a lightweight sleeping bag. I sometimes need to wear the jacket on colder early mornings; and I sometimes have worn the comfy fleece to bed on a chilly night when staying in the albergues. There are more options for comfort using layers.
Also — there’s thick fleece, and lighter weight stuff too. I take a light down jacket aN’s a lightweight fleece that I can wear under it. Maximum flexibility…I think that the weather in October 2016 has come and gone. Let's hope the OP is not still waiting for advice!
Still the advice is perennial.
I would spot wash that and put the down jacket in the dryer. Just sayin', for the pros and cons, the pros have way outweighed the cons (bulkiness, etc) for me for the last 50 years at least! But you are right; everybody has different priorities.Horses for courses as they say. I have both puffa jackets/gilets and fleeces but while my fleeces can be washed and are almost instantly wearable after a high speed spin . . .
If, at the start of say a Camino Frances, I were to slop a ladleful of Marmitako down the front of my fleece it could be brought back to pristine (or the Camino equivalent of pristine) very quickly whereas the same mishap wearing a down puffa would mean carrying the stains and possibly the odour, with me for the next month or so.
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