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It is like many things in life that we do not like. We can react in 3 ways:"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
Hi, Teddy."Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek
"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
Hope springs eternal in the human breast.I had in hope
Boy, isn't that the truth? There are stupid people everywhere. And sometimes I am the stupid one, or you, or we collectively. Maybe not in this case, but the bottom line is that no-one in this human realm is immune from idiocy.Stupid people will be stupid there, too.
Reb said what I meant much more directly, @Kitsambler. There are things one can do something about (and then you're right--one definitely should), and things that are universal and unavoidable. Discerning the difference and acknowledging that are the keys to effective resistance and community action. That's not helplessness, it's realism.Oh stop with the helplessness.
"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
I find it difficult to sympathise with this type of justification. Does an individual's egocentric and narcissistic desire for self-expression really take precedence and entitle them to deface the environment through which they pass - either on private or public property? Walking the Camino Frances last year I found the frequent graffiti far more offensive than the omnipresent toilet paper and faeces. Unpleasant and unnecessary as they are they are the result of a basic, immediate and unavoidable human need. Those who feel the urge to express themselves can find other means to do so.One person's graffiti is some one else's art, and graffiti is nothing new. Each originates with someone who has a story and a reason for being there
"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
Actually, I saw it as an input from those I love from all over the world. Frustration, comments reflecting joy, encouragement to keep going, as well as some local stuff. I integrated it into my Camino experience.Let your eyes focus on the beauty, not the ugliness. Though, I have to say, that I find some of the graffiti very interesting, as it gives us a window into the thoughts and circumstances of some who live along the Camino. After all, the Camino doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is part of the ever changing culture of Spain.
What a great way to describe it! I think I will use this in the future.I integrated it into my Camino experience.
Good idea @Kitsambler but the webcam would need to be effective for about four kilometres. And the damage is obviously done at night, so lights would have to be installed. I'm not sure that would be a great advantage in a natural environment!
Try any one or all of the Camino de Madrid, de Levante, Sanabres - very quiet, peaceful, as I recall un-graffitied."Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
It is like many things in life that we do not like. We can react in 3 ways:
All of us pick various combinations of the above, for different situations. At home, in our marriages, on the job, and on the Camino! Each of us has to find the balance that brings the most sanity and satisfaction to our lives.
- Get out there and change what we don't like.
- Moan about it.
- Get used to it.
Time to review the Serenity Prayer!
Hate the graffiti. The authorities along the way go to the bother of erecting new clean markers and within days they are destroyed especially the 100k marker. Now I ask, who brings indelible markers on the camino. No-one I ever met so they must plan in advance to indulge in what I personally think is anti social. Then there are the ones who bring along a screwdriver or other heavy tool to remove the km markers. Out of curiosity I had a close look at them and an ordinary pocket knife would not do it. Of course, the authorities did expect it as the 100km marker is not a metal plaque, it is engraved into the stone so cant be removed. I swear, if I were to stand still for any length of time after Sarria, they would be writing on me and trying to remove my backpack patches."Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
My first Camino Frances and what greeted me upon reaching the top of the Alto de Perdon:One person's graffiti is some one else's art, and graffiti is nothing new. Each originates with someone who has a story and a reason for being there
"Get over it", "That's the way it is", "Live with it". Not the solution I seek.
Finished Camino Frances late November last, another same 2010, Norte 2011.
I was distressed daily with growth of graffiti. The presence of such vandalism. Yes, I would try to " get over it ". An hour later, there it is.
I want to do another, but after last complete, not again.
ha ha...Grafitti did not bother me so much, I expected it in the underpass sections and some was quite artistic or interesting in a political way (Basque seperatist etc.) The tagging gets at bit monotonous especially when obviously done by a peregrino ("Julian 2016" - yes I am looking at you!). The distance plaques being promptly removed from all the bollards from 100km in to SdC is very odd (all the plaques were there from SdC to Finisterre). Theories? More theives walking the last 100km of the Frances?
My first Camino Frances and what greeted me upon reaching the top of the Alto de Perdon:
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Honestly I saw no "art" in it. Just defacing of someone's else's property by a moron with no respect or courtesy. I suppose their story is what an idiot they are and their reason for being there is to show everyone that.
Tagging like this is as old as humanity~My first Camino Frances and what greeted me upon reaching the top of the Alto de Perdon:
Older even...dogs pee on fence posts and fire hydrants for the same reason.Pompeii, Herculaneum, the Roman Forum, and even in the Valley of the Kings are rife with the "graffiti" of the time.
A bit of human grit is unlikely to prevent people from coming. And if it does, maybe they're just not ready yet. No fear!Having lead an active well travelled life. And asked.
What is the best trip you have experienced.
The Camino. And asked.
What trip I would repeat.
The Camino.
Nah.....it really is stupid, and the taggers are idiots, and sorry, can't compare it to prehistoric cave art in France. No hate in that opinion, just the old shaking of the head in disgust at the activity.Tagging like this is as old as humanity~
Older even...dogs pee on fence posts and fire hydrants for the same reason.
One thing I would add is that we're all to quick to identify the actor and the action, but they're not the same.
Tagging doesn't make the taggers idiots any more than dogs are idiots--it's just regression into very old and ingrained habit of our species.
The activity is certainly dumb, and reprehensible.
But to judge the entire person based on one stupid act without any other information about them is not very smart, either. We all do it (me too)--there is something perversely pleasant about verbally spearing someone who does something we detest. But where it goes is not pretty. So why add to the hatred in the world--isn't there enough of that already?
If there's one thing that the Camino slowly teaches me it's tolerance and patience with the idiotic things people can do. So if it bugs you enough, take care of yourself and clean it up--but without illusions that the Camino will remain pristine after you come along. @Rebekah Scott and The Ditch Pigs clean up tons of trash every year. And they seem to have fun doing it. That is what it looks like to use the lessons of the Camino well.
Rant over (I'm talking to myself, by the way).
Bottom line is what you just said, Teddy:
A bit of human grit is unlikely to prevent people from coming. And if it does, maybe they're just not ready yet. No fear!
What I meant, Mark. Exactly. The activity is disgusting. And you're preaching to the choir--I agree entirely with what you say about defacing others property.No hate in that opinion, just the old shaking of the head in disgust at the activity.
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