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I just know you are joking----testing her sense of humour!??? It's her first time walking according to the post and some people feel the cold more than others. I don't because my blubber keeps me warm!!! Kerry gold might not even be on a pilgrimage.did she say ahe was ? Winter might be the only time she can walk as not everyone has the luxury of choosing walking dates. She might not have the finances to go private . She has a cold and if it got worse,might even become a chest infection. We walk the caminos a lot but we are not pilgrims---we just like the walk. And many people who walk the way are not pilgrims. But of course I know you are only joking .best wishes AnnetteIt's a pilgrimage. You have a bed in a dry room, there's running water in the bathroom. There's a shower. If you want hot hot hot, you might have to pay more for it at a pension or hotel. But the fact is, there's a whole lot of infrastructure there for you that just did not exist even a couple of years ago.
You choose to walk in cold-weather months, feeling chilly is part of the game.
Be glad for what you have, pilgrim.
Not sure where you are kerrygold,oh I do love that butter!!! When we got caught in cold and snow 2 years ago in May we got some light tops but with fleecy lining. Warm as toast they were and just a few euros. Find a Chinese bazar in any town and they stock them . Really kept us warm and could wear them in bed too. No harm in going around in a hat inside either as keeps the heat in. No one takes any notice. My daughter has always felt the cold --- blue hands and feet so know how you feel. Hope you feel better soon and do the walk YOU want to do,and take a few paracetamol now and then.I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. In this thread, please, share your experiences with how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims. My personal experience, by city, alphabetically, I will probably add more. If you feel like adding more, be my guest. I don't mean to bash, but more and more peregrinos I meet are having cold and this is something that can disqualify one from Camino:
COLD
- Belorado, Cuatro Cantones:
Cold/lukewarm water in the shower and wood powered central heating = cold in the night, no way to take a shower, but they have nice thick blankets
- Burgos, Municipal
Chilly inside, cold/lukewarm showers, no hot water in taps, no blankets.
- Hornillos, Meeting Point
Hospitalero says it's warm inside, but even he wears down jacket and needs to be reminded thrice about turning the heating on. Lukewarm showers.
WARM
- Ages, Pajar
You can walk inside wearing a tshirt. Hot showers, awesome.
- Calzadilla, the private one
Cold in the beginning, but once the heating gets turned on, it gets nice and warm. Hot showers.
- Pamplona, Casa Paderborn
Everything is awesome - room and showers temperature.
I am sure that people planning to walk at this time will be thankful for your post as so many posts seen on the forum ask about albergues that might not be open. You are doing something positive for other members.I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. In this thread, please, share your experiences with how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims. My personal experience, by city, alphabetically, I will probably add more. If you feel like adding more, be my guest. I don't mean to bash, but more and more peregrinos I meet are having cold and this is something that can disqualify one from Camino:
COLD
- Belorado, Cuatro Cantones:
Cold/lukewarm water in the shower and wood powered central heating = cold in the night, no way to take a shower, but they have nice thick blankets
- Burgos, Municipal
Chilly inside, cold/lukewarm showers, no hot water in taps, no blankets.
- Hornillos, Meeting Point
Hospitalero says it's warm inside, but even he wears down jacket and needs to be reminded thrice about turning the heating on. Lukewarm showers.
WARM
- Ages, Pajar
You can walk inside wearing a tshirt. Hot showers, awesome.
- Calzadilla, the private one
Cold in the beginning, but once the heating gets turned on, it gets nice and warm. Hot showers.
- Pamplona, Casa Paderborn
Everything is awesome - room and showers temperature.
Yes I agree that a cold is caused by a virus and yes I agree that close proximity in an albergue will cause it to spread. And whilst I do not wish to argue about microbes and viruses,new research by Yale university earlier this year in Jan has shown the correlation between colder temps.and the ""cold" virus to be true and virus is actually thrive in cooler temps.The cooler tempetures then further impair our immune system to fight off that cold.when walking the Camino in 30degree temps.inever saw anyone with a cold or flu but I have seen sickness in pilgrims in the colder months. Kerrygold was only asking for advice and giving info. to others that might soon be doing the way and I think the harsh responses were not warranted. That's all. No further post from me on this subject,except to say "my granny was right when she told me to wrap up warm or I would catch a cold" so no longer an old wives tale. Best best wishes to all.I understand colds are a virus. They are not caused by being cold.
A dormitory with close contact with other humans is the perfect scenario for transmitting the cold virus. The temperature is irrelevant, except that having the windows closed to make the place warm will make the situation worse.
Please, if you do catch a cold, don't share it! Take yourself to a hotel or pension for a few days.
PS, I am sorry to hear you are ill @Kerrygold and hope you recover quickly, I just don't think you can blame the heating (or lack thereof) but instead your fellow man. Or woman or child!
I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. .
Please friends,play nicely.Do'nt shoot the messenger who is allowed her opinion.Thanks.For some, it's a pilgrimage, for some it's just an accomplishment, without any particular depth in it. I don't ask for your reason to do it, Rebekah, but respect the fact that not everybody sees it this way.
it would be useful to remember this:how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims
And, yes, Kerrygold, this is a fair request. Perhaps your listing of albergues with or without temperature controls is useful. It should be remembered though that there are albergues which, opened at the beginning or closing at the end of their "season", may not have the facilities and face adverse climate conditions, whether cold or hot. This complicates a listing of bona fide albergues.[...] I would prefer to get an honest answer, so that I can decide wether I need to look for something else or not.[...]Of course that hotel is a solution, so are the warm albergues that are actually out there.
I think there are two pretty obvious answers to this. The first is the straightforward commercial one, ie that the number of pilgrims has to cover the fixed costs of running the establishment at a particular service level. If it doesn't, expect the service level to be cut, which in the extreme means there will be no service, but short of that will be making economies in areas like heating, lighting, etc, etc.Of course for 10-12-15 euros you can find places to sleep that have heating. Check out airbnb. For as little as 10 euro you can get a shared room in a new appartment in the heart of Madrid of all places, than why should a private albergue on the camino, run for profit as any other business, not offer something as basic as heating or a warm shower?
Why are some albergues able to deliver a world of shared luxury for 12-15 euros, while others offer a bed and a cold shower?
I think it is more than often what they want to deliver and not what they can deliver for the money they ask.
Running a commercial albergue and calling yourself a hospitalero is still a hospitality business where you have to be hospitable. If you dont want to offer any of that, than why did you choose this business?
The power of prayer. Wishing you luck finding a good place to stay and please let us know as soon as you feel better. Que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.Oh my I feel better now with what Kerrygold said:. . . I'm on strong pills now, so hopefully I will get better . . .
I think this is an unfortunate characterisation of the motives behind running this particular or any other private albergue.If you, as a business, are after every euro you can get out of a pilgrim, like the full service albergue that cuatro cantones
Yes thank you for the nice response Annette. We will be walking the Camino next year on the 11th May. Hope it will not be to cold. I just operate better in warmer weather. Hope you doing well Kerrygold.Yes I agree that a cold is caused by a virus and yes I agree that close proximity in an albergue will cause it to spread. And whilst I do not wish to argue about microbes and viruses,new research by Yale university earlier this year in Jan has shown the correlation between colder temps.and the ""cold" virus to be true and virus is actually thrive in cooler temps.The cooler tempetures then further impair our immune system to fight off that cold.when walking the Camino in 30degree temps.inever saw anyone with a cold or flu but I have seen sickness in pilgrims in the colder months. Kerrygold was only asking for advice and giving info. to others that might soon be doing the way and I think the harsh responses were not warranted. That's all. No further post from me on this subject,except to say "my granny was right when she told me to wrap up warm or I would catch a cold" so no longer an old wives tale. Best best wishes to all.
I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. In this thread, please, share your experiences with how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims. My personal experience, by city, alphabetically, I will probably add more. If you feel like adding more, be my guest. I don't mean to bash, but more and more peregrinos I meet are having cold and this is something that can disqualify one from Camino:
COLD
- Belorado, Cuatro Cantones:
Cold/lukewarm water in the shower and wood powered central heating = cold in the night, no way to take a shower, but they have nice thick blankets
- Burgos, Municipal
Chilly inside, cold/lukewarm showers, no hot water in taps, no blankets.
- Hornillos, Meeting Point
Hospitalero says it's warm inside, but even he wears down jacket and needs to be reminded thrice about turning the heating on. Lukewarm showers.
WARM
- Ages, Pajar
You can walk inside wearing a tshirt. Hot showers, awesome.
- Calzadilla, the private one
Cold in the beginning, but once the heating gets turned on, it gets nice and warm. Hot showers.
- Pamplona, Casa Paderborn
Everything is awesome - room and showers temperature.
Some of the albergues are running on such tight budgets that I m afraid the heating is the last thing to be put on -I always travel with a hot water bottle which makes a bed warm and cosy -I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. In this thread, please, share your experiences with how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims. My personal experience, by city, alphabetically, I will probably add more. If you feel like adding more, be my guest. I don't mean to bash, but more and more peregrinos I meet are having cold and this is something that can disqualify one from Camino:
COLD
- Belorado, Cuatro Cantones:
Cold/lukewarm water in the shower and wood powered central heating = cold in the night, no way to take a shower, but they have nice thick blankets
- Burgos, Municipal
Chilly inside, cold/lukewarm showers, no hot water in taps, no blankets.
- Hornillos, Meeting Point
Hospitalero says it's warm inside, but even he wears down jacket and needs to be reminded thrice about turning the heating on. Lukewarm showers.
WARM
- Ages, Pajar
You can walk inside wearing a tshirt. Hot showers, awesome.
- Calzadilla, the private one
Cold in the beginning, but once the heating gets turned on, it gets nice and warm. Hot showers.
- Pamplona, Casa Paderborn
Everything is awesome - room and showers temperature.
Too true! And use an umbrella. When we got caught in rain and snow in May a few years ago in Burgos, we bought 2 big umbrellas. Worked beautifully and kept us " mostly" dry. Best wishes.In my humble opinion, most colds are caused by wet, damp shoes, boots, make sure boots are waterproof. Wear a hat buen camino
Annette is right on! Recent research linked "colds" to cold. Bundle up and stay warm. I just returned from walking the CF. I started out at freezing or near freezing temps in the morning and by noon was walking in the 60's to low 60's. The story was layer up, then layer off. The hat and gloves were the first to go, then the fleece layer, etc. Wear what you need to at night to stay warm!Yes I agree that a cold is caused by a virus and yes I agree that close proximity in an albergue will cause it to spread. And whilst I do not wish to argue about microbes and viruses,new research by Yale university earlier this year in Jan has shown the correlation between colder temps.and the ""cold" virus to be true and virus is actually thrive in cooler temps.The cooler tempetures then further impair our immune system to fight off that cold.when walking the Camino in 30degree temps.inever saw anyone with a cold or flu but I have seen sickness in pilgrims in the colder months. Kerrygold was only asking for advice and giving info. to others that might soon be doing the way and I think the harsh responses were not warranted. That's all. No further post from me on this subject,except to say "my granny was right when she told me to wrap up warm or I would catch a cold" so no longer an old wives tale. Best best wishes to all.
Hi, Thomas, Welcome to the forum!Annette is right on! Recent research linked "colds" to cold. Bundle up and stay warm. I just returned from walking the CF. I started out at freezing or near freezing temps in the morning and by noon was walking in the 60's to low 60's. The story was layer up, then layer off. The hat and gloves were the first to go, then the fleece layer, etc. Wear what you need to at night to stay warm!
Hi peregrinations 2000, in a way I think everyone is a little bit right! When my children were small we had no central heating so they went from the cold inside to the cold outside and were just wrapped up warm. I used to pack them off into the garden in the coldest of weather(not rain) and they never seemed to be ill. Now my grandchildren have heating at home and always seem to have runny noses,going from the warmth to the cold.Research is a funny thing at times. One minute wine is bad and next thing is good! One minute coffee is bad for you and the next thing it's bad for you! I don't like heating indoors myself and often sit in the garden in freezing cold with a few blankets and hot water bottles and I never get a cold or flu so who knows( nose) get it!!! this new research was carried out at Yale uni this year I think. I did not mean to be contentious in any way with my post. I just felt a bit sorry for kerrygold as she was sick and just asking for advice. She was also we must remember giving information to other people about the albergues and surely that is what this forum is about. also she never said that she was a pilgrim. I'm afraid my hackles just sometimes rise if there is an attitude of " it's my way or no way". We don't walk the way as pilgrims as such but we just love this Camino.Everyone is so different with different needs and aspirations on the way and this forum is where they can get advice and support. If advice is asked for and a " not so nice" response is given then some folk may just be reluctant to ask for help. Just my opinion. Now with regards to the research, my granny also used to say" everything in moderation"! She also used to say " the old dog for the road"!! Best wishes and wrap up warm. AnnetteHi, Thomas, Welcome to the forum!
I would love to see some of that research, because for years my doctor told me that it the common cold was more frequent in winter time, not because it's colder, but because people are indoors more and in closer proximity than in summer time. I also remember that she pointed me to some research involving the frequency of colds of northwoodsmen (I think it was loggers or some other outdoor profession, but my memory is foggy), which found that they had virtually no colds though they were outside in the cold all the time. So maybe this is another instance (like whether to put babies on the tummy or the back for sleeping) of throwing out the old wisdom and bringing in the new.
Agree, with all your comments, I am so looking forward to the De Levante with its low numbers just a pace to suit me and my thoughts, by the the time I get to Santiago I will be looking to talk to everyone...I agree with Kanga that the disagreement here all has to do with expectations. And for me the question is whether it's reasonable for anyone, pilgrim or hiker or vacationer, to expect "shirt sleeve heat levels" and scalding showers when the cost is 12 euros (or less). In most of Spain, and certainly in the rest of the industrialized world, you can't find a bed for 12 €, much less a bed indoors and with indoor plumbing. The cost of heat in Spain is quite steep, so whether or not you are on a pilgrimage or on a hiking trip, think about the price/quality ratio and I think most people will agree that this is still a real bargain.
The other more difficult question is the eternal pilgrim vs. tourist and demanding vs. appreciating, but I think I'll keep away from that for now.
Hi, Annette, Thanks for the reference, I've found a short description of the study. Very interesting -- the finding is that the cold virus is happier in colder temperatures, meaning that colds spread more quickly. My un-scientific conclusion is that you can't get a cold without a virus, no matter what the temperature, but if you're in cooler temperatures with human contact, the virus will spread more quickly than it does in warmer temps. So either spend your winters in the north woods or in an overheated isolation chamber. http://news.yale.edu/2015/01/05/cold-virus-replicates-better-cooler-temperaturesHi peregrinations 2000, in a way I think everyone is a little bit right! When my children were small we had no central heating so they went from the cold inside to the cold outside and were just wrapped up warm. I used to pack them off into the garden in the coldest of weather(not rain) and they never seemed to be ill. Now my grandchildren have heating at home and always seem to have runny noses,going from the warmth to the cold.Research is a funny thing at times. One minute wine is bad and next thing is good! One minute coffee is bad for you and the next thing it's bad for you! I don't like heating indoors myself and often sit in the garden in freezing cold with a few blankets and hot water bottles and I never get a cold or flu so who knows( nose) get it!!! this new research was carried out at Yale uni this year I think. I did not mean to be contentious in any way with my post. I just felt a bit sorry for kerrygold as she was sick and just asking for advice. She was also we must remember giving information to other people about the albergues and surely that is what this forum is about. also she never said that she was a pilgrim. I'm afraid my hackles just sometimes rise if there is an attitude of " it's my way or no way". We don't walk the way as pilgrims as such but we just love this Camino.Everyone is so different with different needs and aspirations on the way and this forum is where they can get advice and support. If advice is asked for and a " not so nice" response is given then some folk may just be reluctant to ask for help. Just my opinion. Now with regards to the research, my granny also used to say" everything in moderation"! She also used to say " the old dog for the road"!! Best wishes and wrap up warm. Annette
Any good news? Nothing heard from KG in almost a week (unless I missed the post). Continue the prayers for you to get stronger and to continue moving West. Que la luz de Dios alumbre su camino.. . . I'm on strong pills now, so hopefully I will get better . . .
. . . Nothing heard from KG in almost a week . . .
I took the abovementioned pharmagrip and it worked like a magic spell. Thank you for all your support. I'm totally fine now.
For the list of top albergues I may add Santiago Apostol in El Acebo (theoretically no heating, but it was warm and the showers are awesome) and Siervas de Maria in Astorga (so warm! "Button"showers, but acceptable temperature).
So what are the ingredients in this magic medicine? Anything similar in the US?Kerrygold:
Glad you are doing well. That stuff does really work.
Ultreya,
Joe
It's Tylenol, ctm (antihistamine), and phenylnephrine (decongestant)...essentially most any OTC cold med. Add some wine (and something for cough) and you've created NyQuil. Symptomatic relief.So what are the ingredients in this magic medicine? Anything similar in the US?
So what are the ingredients in this magic medicine? Anything similar in the US?
I'm on Camino right now, with a massive cold. Now, during the cold months, it's crucial for me, and other pilgrims as well, to be sure that we won't freeze in the night. Some albergues have heating, some have but don't use, some don't have the installation, some simply tell it's warm and instead it's just like in freezer. In this thread, please, share your experiences with how well or how badly are the albergues prepared for fall pilgrims. My personal experience, by city, alphabetically, I will probably add more. If you feel like adding more, be my guest. I don't mean to bash, but more and more peregrinos I meet are having cold and this is something that can disqualify one from Camino:
COLD
- Belorado, Cuatro Cantones:
Cold/lukewarm water in the shower and wood powered central heating = cold in the night, no way to take a shower, but they have nice thick blankets
- Burgos, Municipal
Chilly inside, cold/lukewarm showers, no hot water in taps, no blankets.
- Hornillos, Meeting Point
Hospitalero says it's warm inside, but even he wears down jacket and needs to be reminded thrice about turning the heating on. Other pilgrims just spent their evening wrapped with sleeping bags literally laying on the radiators once the heating got turned on. Lukewarm showers.
- Villafranca del Bierzo, Ave Fenix Jato
Surely a lovely place in the summer, but can be chilly in the winter, plus one has to go out of the building to take a shower. Showers are hot enough to warm up for the night.
- Samos, Monasterio
There are hot showers, but albergue occupies two big halls in the monastery building, and the only thing that separates it from the world is thin wooden door. Cold, but there are thick blankets. Woman next to me slept in a woolen hat.
San Martin del Camino, Albergue Municipal Ana. "Freezing cold. There didn't seem to be any heat in the building at all, but the main problem was that they left the doors open so that the freezing wind came through. They were kind of cold in their interactions too. Just not the friendliest. The beds were ok, got a single bed in a room to myself for 13 €, but I still wish I had chosen a different Albergue". (By Jodean)
WARM
- Ages, Pajar
You can walk inside wearing a tshirt. Hot showers, awesome.
- Calzadilla, the private one
Cold in the beginning, but once the heating gets turned on, it gets nice and warm. Hot showers.
- Leon, Monastery Benedictines
Big rooms in the cellar, great heating, but the showers start with cold water and then the temperature is fluctuating between burning hot and freezing cold.
- Pamplona, Casa Paderborn
Everything is awesome - room and showers temperature.
- Ruitan, Pequena Potala.
Small space, therefore easier to heat. Central heating, thick duvets, HOT showers. (No kitchen tho, so hot tea for the sick ones for 1€)
- Barbadelo, Xunta de Galicia.
Hot showers and floor heating with regulation inside of the room. Fantastic. Place to stay for the sick ones if they want to dry their stuff and get better.
Although I am not walking this winter other than in my memories and dreams
here are a few practical tips re choosing a bunk gleaned from more than 450 cumulative nights spent in pilgrim albergues over the past 10 years.
In cold weather never choose a bunk placed against an exterior wall since old walls are often uninsulated and thus frigid. All night heating is not the norm hence make a cozy 'sandwich' for sleeping by folding a blanket in half the long way, place your sleeping bag on top of the bottom half and pull the top half over all. If there are no blankets put your poncho beneath the bag to block the cold air from rising.
By the way my coldest albergue stop was in the old, old Hornillos de Camino place. You could see your breath indoors and by morning ice filled the toilet bowl!
...Cold indeed but a priceless memory! "Where are the snows of yesteryear?” / Mais où sont les neiges d'anten? ”
Karen,
The municipal albergue in Hornillos has been "renovated/up-graded" twice since my frigid night in February 2006. Hope springs eternal!
Buen camino!
MM
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