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It was rather funny when I walked the Norte in summer 2017. After my Camino I was going to stay in Spain and work as a volunteer in several places. So I brought a pack of a whopping 58 litres, left it almost half empty and sent some extra stuff like my laptop and work clothes ahead. I got various comments of other pilgrims who all thought I was an absolute beginner because of my big pack...
Mmm....Tempting, tempting, it’s even lighter than my ExosOsprey Tempest 30L. Still plenty of room in there after I’ve packed all my stuff.
No, it doesn’t work that way for me. I am soooo pernicoty about the weight I actually take the minimum, right down to weighing every T-shirt and taking the lightest! Regardless of colourI noticed with my Exos 46 that if you have space you are more inclined to use that space.
hmmm...ya'll got me thinking the 38L may be too big.
I feel so unworthy after reading this. I have a deuter 42 l(3lb 13 ounces) that is built like a tank, but have a Osprey levity 45 l (1lb 14 ounces) still in the box. I'm trying to decide which one to use for my start date 3 weeks from today. I did a test pack today and had 13 lbs with 3 liters of water, in the Deuter. I like the looks of the Gossamer gear packs with a frame. Frameless packs don't seem to work for me.
Haha. Me too. I have an Osprey Talon 33 in size small, which is only 31 L. But it is quite full and I wouldn't mind a couple more litres for the bread and such. But the pack is so comfortable for me, that I am on my second.I feel so unworthy after reading this.
I am not the only Osprey fan here I see...
@davebugg Thanks for the reply and the encouragement! I recently bought a 38L for the Camino as I only had a 55L and a 22L. I used the 55L on a four day hiking trip to do the Maroon Bells Four Pass Loop (highly recommend) and I never want to carry that much weight again. So I purposed to carry a much lighter pack on the Camino and thankfully don't have to carry all the gear, food and water.
I will follow your advice and stick with the 38L since it is super comfortable and light. And it will hopefully be small enough to take on the plane with me so I won't have to check it.
It also may be nice to have a bit of extra room so at the end of my walk iI can take some gifts home to family and friends.
Oh I wish I hadn’t read this!!Osprey Exos 48 or 58.
Now thinking of trying out a new one, Ospery Lumina 60, weighs even less, but it is a backpack for W and Ospey women seem to be very slim, so I might stick to one of my Exos. I like to have enough space in my backpack, easier to pack, some place for food and extra water when needed.
@C clearly posted a good packing list a few months ago. Use the ‘search’ facility and also look up under @mspathI have an Osprey Aura W50. I went for comfort im the pack so its relatively heavy. But i cant get my weight below 9kgs including the pack (1.8kgs) i cant afford a different pack - and love my pack anyway
I have removed the lid to reduce volume. But can someone please show me their pack list that gets it as light as i am reading here!! Im starting the Norte on the 27th April
For the Camino I've bought a 45l-pack from a czech manufacturer (900gr). The net size is 40-42l. It is almost 3/5 filled, when I'm ready to go. So enough space for all the nice food and Rioja I will need on my way.
Buen Camino!
Roland
I have an Osprey Aura W50. I went for comfort im the pack so its relatively heavy. But i cant get my weight below 9kgs including the pack (1.8kgs) i cant afford a different pack - and love my pack anyway
I have removed the lid to reduce volume. But can someone please show me their pack list that gets it as light as i am reading here!! Im starting the Norte on the 27th April
Here is the thread with my packing list. Without food and water, it weighs about 5.5 kg. Of that, the pack itself is about 1 kg. I am not a large person, so neither are my clothes, but clothes are not a large part of the total. I walk in the early spring and late fall and I do not like to be cold, so I carry things for all weather. Fortunately I don't need to carry any special medication or equipment.i cant get my weight below 9kgs including the pack (1.8kgs)... can someone please show me their pack list
I may be have said this before in the forum, but I have always thought the 10% rule of weight on your backpack is a nonsense. In that case my backpack should not overcome 6 kg. If I put on 20 kg of weight, I could carry 8 kg, but that means 22kg more to carry for my legs!
My backpack is never under 10 kg. I always carry enough water for myself and some extra to be able to help someone in need, and some food when I walk on caminos with less services. No luxury, but the things I need weighs that!
No, never had that problem. Doesn’t your pack’s side pockets have ‘compression straps to tie everything down? (Or not, as needed)....All these Osprey lovers...I have a question. I have two different Osprey packs and both have something that irritates me to no end. The side pockets that I put my water bottles in are ignorant...they can't seen to keep my bottles in place. I can't tell you how many times my bottle has fallen out if I lean over for anything. I lost one of my good cycling camelback bottles when I was leaning forward as I hiked up Ball Mt outside Leadville, out went my bottle and rolled down the mountain. I was not about to go back for it and convinced myself I would get it on the way down. Well I never found that bottle, hopefully some else did.
Anyone else have this problem?
My Osprey pack’s (Stratos 34) side pockets would not hold cylindrical water bottles when the pack was full so I found some “flat” (think flask-shaped) water bottles that worked perfectly.All these Osprey lovers...I have a question. I have two different Osprey packs and both have something that irritates me to no end. The side pockets that I put my water bottles in are ignorant...they can't seen to keep my bottles in place. I can't tell you how many times my bottle has fallen out if I lean over for anything. I lost one of my good cycling camelback bottles when I was leaning forward as I hiked up Ball Mt outside Leadville, out went my bottle and rolled down the mountain. I was not about to go back for it and convinced myself I would get it on the way down. Well I never found that bottle, hopefully some else did.
Anyone else have this problem?
No, never had that problem. Doesn’t your pack’s side pockets have ‘compression straps to tie everything down? (Or not, as needed)....
Sounds like my kind of caminoI've got an old and beaten up/duck taped in places Exped Lightning Womens 45l that works for camping trips and caminos. Importantly I have the pocket that fits on the front that makes an excellent baguette and fruit/salad holder and the roll top means it's pretty easy to accommodate the bottle of wine, tin of olives, lunchbox with cheese/ham/salami in it and other things needed for a delightful lunch.... not forgetting the all important Matador Mini Pocket Blanket - of course one needs somewhere to sit whilst having one's picnic! I might not get anywhere very quickly but I do have a very good time enroute.
I am sure there will come a time in my life when I need to cut the weight right down but right now I would rather indulge in a luxurious trip with jeans, a change of clothing, fantastic food/wine, microfibre bathsheet, hair conditioner, etc. than cut everything down to the bare minimum! Each to their own.... Having said that the English speaking camino is quite unforgiving about pack size, the number of 'helpful' comments I encountered about my pack being too big was quite depressing, can't say I really cared as I was happy and often walked double or treble the distance of the people telling me my pack was too big,
Thanks for this. I have been walking ariunf home around 20kms several times a week with weights in my pack up to 8 kgs (gradually increasing) and to be honest its been okay so i think ill be ok too. Thanks for the useful info.Here is the thread with my packing list. Without food and water, it weighs about 5.5 kg. Of that, the pack itself is about 1 kg. I am not a large person, so neither are my clothes, but clothes are not a large part of the total. I walk in the early spring and late fall and I do not like to be cold, so I carry things for all weather. Fortunately I don't need to carry any special medication or equipment.
If your pack weighs 1 kg more than mine, and your clothes are bigger, that would account for no more than 2 kg of the difference, so maybe you have 1.5 kg to play with.
But if you are comfortable with 9 kg, it is not an unreasonable weight.
All these Osprey lovers...I have a question. I have two different Osprey packs and both have something that irritates me to no end. The side pockets that I put my water bottles in are ignorant...they can't seen to keep my bottles in place. I can't tell you how many times my bottle has fallen out if I lean over for anything. I lost one of my good cycling camelback bottles when I was leaning forward as I hiked up Ball Mt outside Leadville, out went my bottle and rolled down the mountain. I was not about to go back for it and convinced myself I would get it on the way down. Well I never found that bottle, hopefully some else did.
Anyone else have this problem?
I used to walk with my Osprey Exos 46, until I completely wore it out (after 3000 km or so). Then I bought the Exos 58, because of the multiple use (not only on the Camino). In May 2019 I will spend a week on the Camino with my new Osprey Hikelite 32. Will be a bit of a challenge, but I noticed with my Exos 46 that if you have space you are more inclined to use that space.
I used a 48L Osprey Kestrel for Camino Frances, SJPP to SdC. I never went of 14# even with water and it fit my frame of 5'2", 140# just fine. I loved having the extra room to fish things out and repack. I'll be using it again on my next Camino in Portugal...My impression is that the average backpack on the Camino is a lot smaller than it used to be. So how big is it? I guess most seasoned pilgrims have walked with different packs, but think of the pack of your last Camino or the next one coming up.
Nope!! Osprey Atmos AG65. Best pack ever. May be big but light and the anti gravity system is the best there isNo, never had that problem. Doesn’t your pack’s side pockets have ‘compression straps to tie everything down? (Or not, as needed)....
9.5 lbs is very impressive. I'd love to see your packing list. Did you remove the hydration system? I looked at the Mariposa and am considering it.My Gossamer Gear Mariposa has an internal frame and is 36 liter in the main bag, but the extension collar which is part of the 'lid' can be expanded to increase capacity to 60 liters. It weighs 1.9 pounds / 0.86 Kg.
I used it for part of my PCT thru-hike and Colorado Trail thru-hike. In addition to my Caminos, I still use it as my main backpack for wilderness multiday hikes. But it's dimensions also allow it to be carried onboard so when flying, I do not have to check it in as luggage.
I only use 40% of it's capacity on Camino, since I don't need my backpacking gear for the wild. It is comfortable and friendly carrying a full 23 pounds on backpacking trips lasting 8 days or more. For Camino, where I only carry a total weight of about 9.5 pounds / 4 Kg, it is a JOY and goes virtually unnoticed while walking.
I’m with you on this one. I will be walking with an OspreyI have an Osprey Aura W50. I went for comfort im the pack so its relatively heavy. But i cant get my weight below 9kgs including the pack (1.8kgs) i cant afford a different pack - and love my pack anyway
I have removed the lid to reduce volume. But can someone please show me their pack list that gets it as light as i am reading here!! Im starting the Norte on the 27th April
All these Osprey lovers...I have a question. I have two different Osprey packs and both have something that irritates me to no end. The side pockets that I put my water bottles in are ignorant...they can't seen to keep my bottles in place. I can't tell you how many times my bottle has fallen out if I lean over for anything. I lost one of my good cycling camelback bottles when I was leaning forward as I hiked up Ball Mt outside Leadville, out went my bottle and rolled down the mountain. I was not about to go back for it and convinced myself I would get it on the way down. Well I never found that bottle, hopefully some else did.
Anyone else have this problem?
This has happened to me, but I wasn’t putting the bottles down far enough. Each side has a different strapping system. I’ve been back to the shop of purchase and been given several extra tips. Enjoy your travelsI’m with you on this one. I will be walking with an Osprey
Nope!! Osprey Atmos AG65. Best pack ever. May be big but light and the anti gravity system is the best there is
Really? Why would they do that?Osprey will often replace your backpack with a new one if you send the old one back to them in Colorado.
Really? Why would they do that?
The guarantee. They cheerfully and quickly sent me replacement parts for the connector that had broken off my sternum strap, no questions asked and free of charge. It wasn't a whole pack, but I'm still pretty impressed.Really? Why would they do that?
I agree with @davebugg here. My two current go to packs for multi-day walks tip the scales at 33 and 35 gm/li of capacity, a little less than the 38 gm/li of the Atmos. I would never consider these lightweight. I do have another two packs, one bought right after my first Camino and one a couple of years ago, that weigh in at 21 gm/li and 25 gm/li. I think of these as being lightweight when considered against the pack weights that are currently available, but not ultra-lightweight.There is an objective observation that can be made, though. The Osprey Atmos 65 cannot be considered a lightweight pack. At a weight of over 4.5 pounds / 2.5 kg, it is significantly above what is considered to be a lightweight -- not ultra lightweight --backpack.
There are always difficulties with rules of thumb. A few years ago I asked if anyone could point to the origin of the 10% guideline, with mixed results. At the time the CSJ was recommending a bare pack weight, ie without consumables like food and water, of 10-15%.I may be have said this before in the forum, but I have always thought the 10% rule of weight on your backpack is a nonsense. In that case my backpack should not overcome 6 kg. If I put on 20 kg of weight, I could carry 8 kg, but that means 22kg more to carry for my legs!
My backpack is never under 10 kg. I always carry enough water for myself and some extra to be able to help someone in need, and some food when I walk on caminos with less services. No luxury, but the things I need weighs that!
I agree with @davebugg here. My two current go to packs for multi-day walks tip the scales at 33 and 35 gm/li of capacity, a little less than the 38 gm/li of the Atmos. I would never consider these lightweight. I do have another two packs, one bought right after my first Camino and one a couple of years ago, that weigh in at 21 gm/li and 25 gm/li. I think of these as being lightweight when considered against the pack weights that are currently available, but not ultra-lightweight.
As a very personal opinion, unless a pack is 20 gm/li or below, I don't think it could be considered ultra-lightweight, even if a manufacturer claims that status for it. This is an entirely arbitrary view, and I haven't tried to see if there is a general concensus about the boundaries between heavy, normal, lightweight, and ultra-lightweight pack construction. I would be interested to know if there is.
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9.5 lbs is very impressive. I'd love to see your packing list. Did you remove the hydration system? I looked at the Mariposa and am considering it.
Hi. . .
None of the Gossamer Gear backpacks include a hydration system. Most of them, including the Mariposa do have a pocket or sleeve for holding a hydration reservoir.
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Dave,
I noticed you don't use a pancho. Do you have any problems with your stuff getting wet? I'm considering putting items in plastic baggies to be sure this doesn't happen, so I can eliminate my 13 ounce pancho. I've heard your shoulder straps can wick the moisture to you interior items. Also, does the Hiking Goo really work? It has great reviews.
I use a Gossamer Gear G4 (the grand grand grandfather of all ultralight packs), 385 grams, 60 liters since 2014. Meanwhile i reduced the weight of my setup for this year to 3.3 kg. I don‘t like to stuff especially my (down) sleeping bag too much and transport it and all my stuff very loose in my pack.
What is the name of the pack you bought and where did you purchase it?For the Camino I've bought a 45l-pack from a czech manufacturer (900gr). The net size is 40-42l. It is almost 3/5 filled, when I'm ready to go. So enough space for all the nice food and Rioja I will need on my way.
Buen Camino!
Roland
What is the name of the pack you bought and where did you purchase it?
And then they tie stuff all over the outside because the pack isn't big enough.comments of other pilgrims who all thought I was an absolute beginner because of my big pack.
This is a reasonable bit of journalism, but the original sources are much more interesting if you can find them. You will need to make your own assessment whether to assume the results obtained are going to scale down proportionally when it comes to Camino-like conditions and loads. They might, but it wasn't clear they would.From the 1984 study by the U.S. Army Research Institute
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