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Hmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.At a glance, I am surprised that your list weighs 21 pounds and fills 50 L.
What quantity of snacks, trail mix, toothpaste, meds, etc., are you carrying?
The biggest single items that you carry and I don't, is the Kindle and the extra pair of shoes. The Crocs and trail runners are bulky and heavy. Do you need them both?
Is your hoody bulky? Does the puffy jacket pack up well?
Yes, I use packing cubes for the same reason you use dry bags. I like the idea using dry bags instead. I have a few that I can press into service, just hadn't thought about doing it. Great idea!PS - I know the subject of pack liners is something that folks on here have Very Strong Opinions about, but personally the idea of all my stuff swimming around in a single bag inside my backpack gives me anxiety - which is why I separate my categories of gear (sleeping, clothing, and misc.) into 12L Osprey ultralight dry bags. In addition to keeping things dry (obviously) they also help me find things easily without having to dump out or wade through a large pack, and they also serve to somewhat compress their contents. My gear list is comprable to yours (minus the second pair of Altras) and fits easily into three 12L dry bags inside my REI Trail 40L pack with room to spare.
I know your Eagle Creek packing cubes serve somewhat the same purpose, but you may find that the dry bag configuration helps you pack things more efficiently.
Put the sleeping bag, puffy, clothes, etc, into 1 or 2 dry backs, sit on them to expel air, and then twist the tops to "seal" them.I like the idea using dry bags instead.
A photo of all the gear laid out alongside the pack and another of the pack, er, packed would be useful.I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet
Then I learned that your feet get wet when it rains no matter what you do.....its the squishy from below (even gortex shoes), not the rain from above that soak your feet. Walking with wet feet are what the wool socks are about. The gaiters just took up space. Ditto for the rain pants. You're going to get wet
I had the same size backpack as you for three Caminos. Things were not crammed in and I really paid attention to not "filling the void". Except for some people remarking on the size of my backpack, it suited me well. That said, for my next Camino this coming Fall, I have purchased an Osprey 36. I will stepping into a learninng curve on packing, etc.I take less than you, and while it may fit into a 28 liter pack, I have no desire to put together a puzzle every morning to pack up.
That's what I've done on two Caminos. I happened to use Teva's because I would feel comfortable hiking in them if I needed to and they function well as shower/albergue shoes as well as town shoes.Looking over your list, what jumps out to me are those two pair of Altras (and I say this as a confirmed Altra fan who will be wearing Olympus 4s on my Camino in May). Do you really need that second pair of all-weather mids, which take up a good amount of pack volume? A pair of hiking sandals that you can wear in the rain would do double duty as shower/lounging shoes, and save you some weight and bulk besides.
In 2010, I walked the CF with a pack that contained - too many granola bars, too much water and other things that I don’t even recall! I received many comments, since I am only 1m55, with a 40l backpack. I was happy and felt that I needed to carry that much. Walked at my own pace and made to Finisterre with only one blister. If you feel that you need it, take it! You can always leave it behind or send it back home. Buen Camino !I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
You might be right about the Altra Olympus not lasting the whole camino, but I get more mileage out of my Lone Peaks (LPs). As far as wet feet ... mine have dried overnight even after being completely soaked from rain. Just stick some newspaper in them near a heating source of possible.I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
Can you load Kindle app onto your phone and read there?Hmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I don't have any snacks yet, and won't if I need the space. Travel size everything for toiletries. I'm a big time reader, and I think I'd go crazy without the Kindle. I plan to clip the Crocs to the outside of my pack, so they don't really take up space inside. The hoody is very lightweight, more like a heavy shirt than a fleece.
Everything fits, I was just surprised that it took up the entire pack space with no room left over after seeing what others are packing in much smaller packs.
A few good pieces of advice I got were: everything weighs something!; you should carry no more than 10% of your weight; get your poncho at IKEA, they come in red and black, cost about $10, and they are way lighter than the army grade ones!I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
I was wondering about this. You can pick up the box, add or subtract as necessary, and then bounce the box to the next big city?Have you ever thought about using a bounce box to have an extra pair of shoes etc. in country? I have bounced a box each time via general delivery (lista de correos). SJPdP - Burgos, Burgos - León, León - SdC. It is worth it for me to know that I can get a pair of shoes that fit.
The only item I’m happy to carry and not use is a small first aid kit - not a full ‘emergency room’ but enough to ease my path to the nearest farmacia.Might be it was my list you are referring to, if not, i went on my first camino carrying a Gossamer Gear Murmur 36L Backpack that features an internal volume of 28 liters.
It was to large, to put it simple.
I'll post a screenshot of my packing list (which is still missing 2-3 items, so add another 300-500g), but let me explain on how i pack:
Clothing --> goes into a 8L S2S Ultra Sil Drysack. It would also fit a 4L one, but cramped and i got the volume.
Sleeping Bag -- > goes in a 4L Drysack. It would also fit a 2L one, but the down likes some extra space
Wash Kit --> goes in a 1L Zip Lock
Electronics --> again 1L ZL
Pilgrim Pass (and notebook which i won't bring again) --> again 1L ZL
Vaping Stuff --> again 1L (with lots of room)
Added up this comes to 16L, easily packed. Ad another 2L maybe because packed this way you won't be 100% efficient. So there are another 10L left, for shoes, wine, daypack, whatever.
My rain gear goes into the mesh pocket on the front of the backpack. My phone and one 750ml bottle of water go to the shoulder harness. Another 750ml bottle and the eventual sunscrenn goe into the side pockets of the pack. Tissues, chapstick, the invaluable S-Hook and the ocasional snack go into one belt pocket, lose change, gloves, buff go into the other. Vape Cigarette and Wallet go either in the trousers or belt pockets too.
My first aid kit (which i won't bring again) was fixed on the outside of the pack (on a carabiner?? snap hook? whats the word)
I think thats it. Again, i had plenty of space in my backpack, which turned out to be a bit annoing, but for my next camino i'll take a very thin foam mat to pad it out better.
Cheers!
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I think you’ll find a 21 pound pack more than you really want to carry! I believe that I started out on my first Camino with about that weight in a 36L pack. By the time I had reached Pamplona, I had already shed a number of pounds. Since then, my wife and I both keep our pack weights between 12-14 pounds which leaves some space in our Osprey 36L packs. I certainly recommend dropping 6-7 pounds off where you are right now. You’ll enjoy the carry much more. If you go to our Camino Portugués blog, you’ll find our packing list with exact weights. We’ve since reduced a bit more. http://caminoportugues2017.blogspot.com/2017/03/packing-for-portugal_16.htmlI'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
I understand the sentiment, but in my nearly 40 years of life i needed more than a bandaid or some ibuprofen on exactly two occasions, both in which a medical kit would not have helped either. Since my training in this regard is more than twenty years in the past now, i most likely would not know what to do with anything more complex than a bandaid aswell. So i decided to drop that piece.The only item I’m happy to carry and not use is a small first aid kit - not a full ‘emergency room’ but enough to ease my path to the nearest farmacia.
Your sleeping bag weighs 1kg? There are sleeping bags that weigh half of that, and probably compress better. So - I am assuming your bag is taking up more space than most. My bag weighs 450 grams and is VERY compressible. Your second pair of altras are definitely not needed. Bring a pair to walk in that isn't too worn and they will likely last the entire trail. If not - you can always pick up an extra pair of shoes. If you are bringing a kindle - then you don't need to bring a guidebook. Just use your kindle. Or go one step further - if you bring your phone you don't NEED a kindle. Just use your phone and download the kindle app. Nudge notes and pen also not necessary if you can make notes in your phone. If you have a buff - you can use that as an eye mask. You don't really need water proof gloves. Unless maybe you are walking in winter. Your puffy - is it synthetic or down? Synthetic weights more than down and is usually less compressible. You don't need a beanie AND a visor cap - again - your buff can be used as a head and/or neck cover with the visor. Knife isn't really necessary - but may come in handy. I didn't miss mine. This time my nail clippers have a tiny scissor attachment. Your first aid kit probably has more supplies than you need. Your medications - how are you storing them, in pill bottles or medication size zip lock baggies? Are you bringing just the essentials (prescription meds and ibuprofen) or are you bringing a bunch of "what if" medications? Water bottle - definitely use the SmartWater bottle instead of nalgene to lighten your load. I found that I only needed to replace mine once or twice. As for your clothes - I don't know what size you wear so that may be an issue, or you may be wearing heavier clothes where lighter weight clothes are available. I personally have fun weighing all my gear and then deciding what to pack. Lighterpack . com is a useful tool to create a list of your items and their weights to play around with to see how you can lighten your pack.I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Yes, I personally have ton of dry bags - but prefer packing cubes. The reason I like them better is because when I take them out of my pack they open more like a suitcase than a bag you have to dig around in. I use two bigger packing cubes inside my pack, plus a couple zipper bags for electronics and toiletries. And a "shoe" size packing cube to put in my outside pocket for rain gear. Then I just have the rain cover for my pack. If I were on a true wilderness hike I would for sure use dry sacks - but since I will have a roof over my head every night - I am not too worried if my pack contents do get wet (which could be a disaster on a wilderness hike). I had lots of rain last year and my system was just fine.PS - I know the subject of pack liners is something that folks on here have Very Strong Opinions about, but personally the idea of all my stuff swimming around in a single bag inside my backpack gives me anxiety - which is why I separate my categories of gear (sleeping, clothing, and misc.) into 12L Osprey ultralight dry bags. In addition to keeping things dry (obviously) they also help me find things easily without having to dump out or wade through a large pack, and they also serve to somewhat compress their contents. My gear list is comprable to yours (minus the second pair of Altras) and fits easily into three 12L dry bags inside my REI Trail 40L pack with room to spare.
I know your Eagle Creek packing cubes serve somewhat the same purpose, but you may find that the dry bag configuration helps you pack things more efficiently.
My question about the Altras - how many pairs have you owned and how long did it take for you to "break in" each pair? I find that as long as I buy the right size (sized up) Altras - they don't really need to be broken in. I do still go for a couple 17 mile walks in them before taking them on a trip like this to test them out - but the right trail runners in the right size with the right socks may not need to be broken in ahead of time. With that in mind - it is easier to take a practically new pair of Altras on the Camino. Mine not only lasted my entire Camino - I am tempted to bring them with me again lol. OK- that is pushing it - but they do still have quite a bit of life left. As for the wet shoes - you are only walking for maybe 6 hours a day and then you get to an algergue and can clean up and dry your feet. If you want - you can change your socks mid walk. I didn't feel the need to, even though I had many days with rain. But if it really concerns you - perhaps bring a pair of waterproof socks instead. They weigh a lot less than a second pair of shoes. Or... as others have mentioned - bring a pair of hiking sandals instead of your crocs and 2nd altras that you can hike in or wear around town. I bring Tevas that I can also take into the shower if I need to. Or you could bring flip flops for the shower.I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I get that, it’s a purely personal decision. My house hasn’t burned down in the last 55 years, but I still pay for insurance. On the other hand, I’m happy to advise against ‘packing your insecurity’.I understand the sentiment, but in my nearly 40 years of life i needed more than a bandaid or some ibuprofen on exactly two occasions, both in which a medical kit would not have helped either. Since my training in this regard is more than twenty years in the past now, i most likely would not know what to do with anything more complex than a bandaid aswell. So i decided to drop that piece.
But I am perfectly fine with anyone who thinks differently.
I can't see anything there that would take up that much space, except shoes (is that 3 sets of footwear?) Crocs are light, but bulky and do you need the trail runners AND the all-weather mids?. Your sleeping bag weighs 1kg, how big is it? If you have a liner as well, could you manage with a smaller bag? And two pairs of gloves? Gaiters AND WP pants? Why both? - they do the same thing. I'm not sure how much time you'll spend reading your kindle, either. The other areas where things might be taking up space are toiletries and first aid kit - you need them, but you can replenish along the way so smaller containers, perhaps. Finally, you can buy an EU compatible charger in Spain (probably at the airport, maybe even a local electronics store) so the adaptor won't be needed. One more suggestion: Dry sacs. I am a great believer in dry sacs. Apart from keeping stuff dry much more efficiently than a pack cover, you can squash stuff up really small, write on them so you know what is in them and pack more effectively, and biggest bonus of all, you won't make rustling noises as you get ready in the morning. Hope this was helpful. I'm off to pack my backpack now. Buen camino, friend.I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
And with current technology - those of us who have had to carry CPAP machines are quite capable of keeping our packs no larger than 30L in size and weighing no more than 15 pounds. I know - because I did this last summer! It does require investing in a travel size CPAP machine - but for those who love to travel it is well worth the investment! My pack is currently fully loaded and currently includes my clothes and shoes that I will be hiking in - and still weighs under 15 pounds. And I intend to thin it out a little more before I leave.Before you say "But, but what about special needs like CPAPS or medication", that's covered by the other 25%.
I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
Yes. I put whatever I want to resupply with in the box (extra pair of shoes, clothes, additional meds, etc.). I pickup the box, take out what I want, put in what I want, and then bounce it forward. The person at the counter retapes the box and helps me label it.I was wondering about this. You can pick up the box, add or subtract as necessary, and then bounce the box to the next big city?
Brilliant! What are the charges each time you bounce it?Yes. I put whatever I want to resupply with in the box (extra pair of shoes, clothes, additional meds, etc.). I pickup the box, take out what I want, put in what I want, and then bounce it forward. The person at the counter retapes the box and helps me label it.
There's information on the Correos site.Brilliant! What are the charges each time you bounce it?
There's information on the Correos site.
Send luggage along the Camino de Santiago
With Correos you can send your luggage to any point on the Camino de Santiago with the Paq Peregrino.www.elcaminoconcorreos.com
There are of course always exceptions - but most people really shouldn't even need to consider this. For most people - we need very little for the Camino. As for diabetic supplies or other extra medical supplies - I would carry them with me myself (like I did my CPAP machine). OR.... I personally would prefer to use luggage transport services that bring my supplies town to town where it is delivered daily to my next destination. As opposed to fussing with the postal service and relying on postal service hours and it is more likely my package may not reach its destination on time.I there’s an assumption that everyone has the same needs that is not always true. The person with insulin might really appreciate not having to carry 6 weeks of supplies at once. The person walking in a shoulder season may not want to carry winter gear and summer gear both at the same time. We cannot know what other people’s needs are. A bounce box is an option that might make a pilgrimage possible for someone who otherwise could not experience the Camino.
I am amazed that people would want to even fuss with a "bounce box". It isn't a wilderness hike where you have limited access to regular grocery stores, pharmacies, or other stores and there are not even regular towns for days at a time. The Camino runs through small and large towns, usually every few km. There are all sorts of grocery stores, pharmacies , and other stores along the way. Then there is the issue of post office hours which are NOT conveniently open all day like they are in, say, the US. Then there is the issue that you truly don't need very much for a Camino. Add to that, you waste a lot of time going to the post office to collect and then remail our box. Oh - and that is even assuming your package actually arrived to that destination before you do (I have had mail never reach it's destination a few times domestically and abroad). You can pack light and do laundry daily (or every other day if that is preferred). You buy food and snacks along the way. Your daily needs are usually predictable and you can pack for it. Passport, pilgrims passport, Euros, spare credit card, debit card, 1 pair of hiking shoes, 1 pair of evening shoes, 2-3 sets of clothing including socks (often double socks), down puffy or fleece, rain jacket or poncho, sleeping bag/liner, ear plugs, a few hygiene items, a few first aid items, any necessary medications, and perhaps a few electronics like your phone and charger. And if for some reason you did not bring something you need - you can always buy somewhere along the way. Now - if you are doing the tourist thing before/after the Camino - I get that you may want to bring an extra bag and ship it from your starting point to your ending point - but even that can be avoided. I personally pack for my Camino then after I reach Santiago or in the next big city - I buy a couple new outfits for my tourist days. I put it in the budget and those clothes become part of the souveigneers I bring home - outfits that no one else has because they were bought in Spain.
how about a kindle app on your phone! I've just done this and am impressed with the functionalityHmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I don't have any snacks yet, and won't if I need the space. Travel size everything for toiletries. I'm a big time reader, and I think I'd go crazy without the Kindle. I plan to clip the Crocs to the outside of my pack, so they don't really take up space inside. The hoody is very lightweight, more like a heavy shirt than a fleece.
Everything fits, I was just surprised that it took up the entire pack space with no room left over after seeing what others are packing in much smaller packs.
I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
You have a good list but if I can suggest some changes read on!I take less than you, and while it may fit into a 28 liter pack, I have no desire to put together a puzzle every morning to pack up.
Have you considered using ziploc bags instead of dry sacs? They are inexpensive, waterproof, extra-ultra lightweight, easily replaceable and see-through.PS - I know the subject of pack liners is something that folks on here have Very Strong Opinions about, but personally the idea of all my stuff swimming around in a single bag inside my backpack gives me anxiety - which is why I separate my categories of gear (sleeping, clothing, and misc.) into 12L Osprey ultralight dry bags. In addition to keeping things dry (obviously) they also help me find things easily without having to dump out or wade through a large pack, and they also serve to somewhat compress their contents. My gear list is comprable to yours (minus the second pair of Altras) and fits easily into three 12L dry bags inside my REI Trail 40L pack with room to spare.
I know your Eagle Creek packing cubes serve somewhat the same purpose, but you may find that the dry bag configuration helps you pack things more efficiently.
Only two things I disagree with here for myself --trade the puffy jacket and hoody for a zip up fleece. I take 2long sleeve and 2 short sleeve performance shirts, fleece and if necessary layer my rain jacket over to cut the wind and secure warmth.
- crocs are bulky extra shoes bulky trade crocs for flip flops..when you arrive at your albergue you can take your boots off and slip into flip flops quickly. Wear flip flops in evening. I also took simple light weight but sturdy tevas. I hiked one day in them w socks.
Dump theI'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
Good point! Except most baggies aren't truly water proof - so be mindful of that and what you put in them if the items must truly remain waterproof. But ziplock baggies can definitely be a great water deterrent.Have you considered using ziploc bags instead of dry sacs? They are inexpensive, waterproof, extra-ultra lightweight, easily replaceable and see-through.
Not necessarily true since Covid, and pre-Covid the cleanliness of some of those blankets was in doubt.Dump the
- sleeping bag - not likely needed. If it is cold, most albergues provide blankets.
Don't dump the sleeping bag. Since COVID - most albergues are not providing blankets. People who suggest the albergues provide blankets did not travel since COVID began. After a few warm days/nights I mailed mine home last year in June/July 2021, believing that many albergues would provide blankets if needed, and I regretted it almost every day since. And I did sleep in my next days clothes with a long sleeve shirt, a merino wool half zip pullover, my fleece jacket, and using sleeping bag liner and my dry Turkish Towel as a blanket. Anyway - out of about 30 nights in both municipal and private albergues - only maybe 4-5 places had a blanket to offer. Only the private rooms still offer blankets (and sometimes not even then).Dump the
- sleeping bag - not likely needed. If it is cold, most albergues provide blankets. Sleep in your next day's clothes, ready to get out the door faster, quieter with minimal fuss. They keep you warm, use microfibre towel as a light blanket.
Hmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I don't have any snacks yet, and won't if I need the space. Travel size everything for toiletries. I'm a big time reader, and I think I'd go crazy without the Kindle. I plan to clip the Crocs to the outside of my pack, so they don't really take up space inside. The hoody is very lightweight, more like a heavy shirt than a fleece.
Everything fits, I was just surprised that it took up the entire pack space with no room left over after seeing what others are packing in much smaller packs.
you can read books on your phone - just practice a bit before you go so you’ll get used to it. And you’ll love your kindle even More when you get home.Hmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I don't have any snacks yet, and won't if I need the space. Travel size everything for toiletries. I'm a big time reader, and I think I'd go crazy without the Kindle. I plan to clip the Crocs to the outside of my pack, so they don't really take up space inside. The hoody is very lightweight, more like a heavy shirt than a fleece.
Everything fits, I was just surprised that it took up the entire pack space with no room left over after seeing what others are packing in much smaller packs.
Luggage transport is essentially a daily 'bounce box'. I never used 'bounce boxes' on my PCT and Colorado Trail thru hikes, but I did have resupply shipments sent ahead of me from home.I am amazed that people would want to even fuss with a "bounce box". It isn't a wilderness hike where you have limited access to regular grocery stores, pharmacies, or other stores and there are not even regular towns for days at a time.
Yes... but luggage transport is going directly albergue to albergue (or at least to a close by albergue) - and if there is a problem with it reaching it's destination the albergue owners know who to contact to help find your luggage - probably the same person transports luggage every day. Your luggage is highly unlikely to get lost or delayed and you will have access to all the same supplies nightly. And not have to hope it it doesn't get lost or delayed in the mail. And even if it arrives on time to your next destination, you don't have to "hope" you make it to the post office before it closes for the night or for the weekend.Luggage transport is essentially a daily 'bounce box'. I never used 'bounce boxes' on my PCT and Colorado Trail thru hikes, but I did have resupply shipments sent ahead of me from home.
I think many of us HAVE used a kindle (or other reading device) - but the topic here is how to pack lighter in a smaller pack. And one easy way to reduce pack size/weight is to multipurpose as many items as you can and eliminate items that do not serve dual purposes and can be deemed unnecessary if you have a separate multipurpose item that can do the same task.Those suggesting you leave the kindle and read on your phone instead have likely not used a kindle! I have an older “paper white” version and the advantages to a phone are numerous: long battery life, much easier on the eyes, prevents being distracted by other phone apps, less likely to bother other sleepers with a phone’s bright bluish glow, lightweight, etc. I even download all my necessary plans, documents, guidebooks, maps, and more to my kindle - it’s an incredibly useful tool.
Have you considered using ziploc bags instead of dry sacs? They are inexpensive, waterproof, extra-ultra lightweight, easily replaceable and see-through.
Yes... but luggage transport is going directly albergue to albergue (or at least to a close by albergue) - and if there is a problem with it reaching it's destination the albergue owners know who to contact to help find your luggage - probably the same person transports luggage every day. Your luggage is highly unlikely to get lost or delayed and you will have access to all the same supplies nightly. And not have to hope it it doesn't get lost or delayed in the mail. And even if it arrives on time to your next destination, you don't have to "hope" you make it to the post office before it closes for the night or for the weekend. And for those sending part of their medical supplies ahead by mail - what if something happens and say you run out of those medical supplies earlier than anticipated (you drop your insulin vial and it broke or you went to take you medication as you walked and it spilled or you set down your supply somewhere and accidentally left it behind or some other odd occurance)- if you mailed the package ahead to the next town with a post office you may not have access to it for a few days and thus would be out of your supplies. Just all sorts of problems with "bounce" boxes that could be prevented by just carrying the supplies with you or transporting through the convenient luggage transport service. I do understand some people may need medical supplies - but just to keep bouncing "what if" items ahead seems pointless to me. Anyhow - for most people - if you need luggage transport or a bounce box - you probably overpacked or are packing for your fears. Exceptions can be found always - such as the person's who's medical equipment is too heavy or takes up too much space, or a person has a bad back and can't wear a bigger backpack and so on... but for the general population - there is no need to overpack and for those who have special needs - luggage transport is a more convenient/predictable option to post office bounce boxes. Anyhow - my opinion is also skewed because I have found access to post offices to be incredibly frustrating - both in Spain and when travelling to other countries in general. And I have had packages never arrive at their destination on more than one occasion. And like you - I never used a bounce box but did mail resupply boxes to places where resupply was less available. But this is Spain we are talking about - not a backcountry wilderness trail.
Fwiw I have an Osprey tempest 40 and an Osprey eja 38 and find the eja 38 definitely fits more in - I go for comfort and weight before focusing on litres - my favourite was actually an old aura 60 that packed down well but sadly deteriorated after many years of use and the new ag frame had increased weight and was not comfortable for me.I'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
BookGirl suggests leaving the Kindle at home.
Yawn.
Fortunately you can increase the text size on the Kindle app for your phone.I'll probably need to bring a backup pair of reading glasses for all that reading on my phone, but the tradeoff seems worth it.)
Waterproof socksI'm in final planning for beginning the Camino Frances in early April. I've been collecting ideas about necessary equipment for the April/May shoulder season) without going overboard, and have winnowed down the gear I think will be needed. My pack weighs 21 pounds (9.5 Kilos) without the Crocs, which I'm comfortable carrying.
Here's my challenge and question. I'll be using an Osprey Atmos 50 AG pack, mostly because its comfortable and fits me well. I figured I could use the compression straps to reduce the empty space. I just packed my gear for a test run and...there is no empty space. This is basically the same list another poster shared, who said he packs it in a 28 liter pack! How is that even possible?
I'm now leaning toward replacing the rain jacket with a rain poncho, simply because it would take up less room than the rain jacket and pack cover, but that's the only change I can think of that would reduce the space required.
Any suggestions for how to pack more efficiently would be much appreciated. Here's my packing list:
Winter Camino Packing List
Osprey Atmos AG 50L backpack (with trash compactor liner bag)
In sleeping bag compartment (inside trash compactor bag)
On body (or in waist pack)
- Sleeping bag (1kg) in Ultra-Sil compression bag
- LW sleeping bag liner
- LW rain pants
- Gaiters (to use with low trail runners)
In top pocket, side, hip belt pockets, or loose inside pack
- Phone
- Wallet
- Passport
- Nudge notes & pen
- Watch
- Masks
- Glasses
- Guidebook??
- Tissue pack / wet wipes
Electronics (in small ultra-sil bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Sunglasses & cleaning cloth
- First aid kit
- Pack rain cover (not if poncho)
- Water bottle (Nalgene or SmartWater)
- Snacks / trail mix
- Knife (on pack shoulder strap)
- LW gloves
- Breezeo laundry soap tabs
Toiletries (in small bag inside larger Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil bag)
- Kindle
- Chargers / cables
- Adapter
- Earbuds x 2
Clothes to wear
- Deodorant
- HiBAR Shampoo bar (for body & hair)
- Floss
- Toothpaste
- Toothbrush
- Mouthguard
- Razor (disposable)
- Meds
- Small comb
- Nail clippers
- Small scissors
- Chapstick
- Ear plugs
- Eye mask for sleeping
- Microfiber towel
Clothes to pack (in Eagle Creek Ultra-Sil packing cube x 3, including toiletries, electronics)
- Underwear
- Shirt / hoody
- Pants
- Socks
- Belt
- Lone Peak all-weather mids
- Underwear x 2
- Shirts (warmth polyester long sleeves) x 1 + LW hoody
- Pants x 1
- Puffy
- LW rain shell
- Beanie & visor cap
- Buff
- WP gloves
- Socks x 3
- Altra Olympus trail runners (low, non-WP)
- Crocs (or flipflops) for shower (clipped to outside of pack)
I carried a book one Camino out of over half a dozen and read 3 or 4 pages, if you are sociable I don't think you will need it.Hmmm, interesting thoughts from everyone. The puffy sucks in air and expands unless its under pressure. I didn't think about it, but I think I can stuff it into its own pocket and reduce the space it takes up. I'm taking the two pair of Altras because I hate wet feet and the mids pack down smaller than my hiking boots. Also, I doubt the LPs alone would last the entire 500 miles of the CF, so having two pair will help in that way.
I don't have any snacks yet, and won't if I need the space. Travel size everything for toiletries. I'm a big time reader, and I think I'd go crazy without the Kindle. I plan to clip the Crocs to the outside of my pack, so they don't really take up space inside. The hoody is very lightweight, more like a heavy shirt than a fleece.
Everything fits, I was just surprised that it took up the entire pack space with no room left over after seeing what others are packing in much smaller packs.
You don't have to, or at least I didn't. I just limited what I brought. No second pair of shoes, I brought simple 10euro flipflops. And in my 5,5 kg bag there was even a bikini, a cotton dress and a puffer. I have a tea towel instead of those (horrible) lightweight travel towels. I spare the weight of waterproof bags by using plastic shopping bags (easy to replace too) and 1 or double ziplocs for important stuff.I am surprised at some people. You 10lbs (4,5kg) folk. Questioning the heaviness of others packs.
Not everyone has thousands to spend on high tech ultra light gear.
I think you may need to consider ‘you do your camino and others will do theirs’. As someone who is planning to walk next year for the first time I am finding some of these comments a little judgy and dictatorial.
IMO ponchos suck. I get so sweaty underneath. I take a nice rain jacket, and rain pants too, though I’ve only had to wear them few and far between. So I hope I am not judgey and hope you can ask the questions you have and receive friendly responses.Sometimes I feel this forum is less “Where past pilgrims share and future pilgrims learn” and more “Where future pilgrims ask questions and past pilgrims make them feel bad for asking”. Fortunately the genuinely kind and helpful people far outnumber the judgy and dictatorial ones, so don’t let the latter get you down
IMO ponchos suck. I get so sweaty underneath. I take a nice rain jacket, and rain pants too, though I’ve only had to wear them few and far between. So I hope I am not judgey and hope you can ask the questions you have and receive friendly responses.
If you do that, please could you kindly be the last in line for the shower, so that you don't use up all the hot water? Doing laundry in the shower also takes quite a long time, meaning others are having to wait.No need for laundry soap if you wash your clothes while showering w shampoo
Agreed. It has run its course, and some responses are too personal.This thread should be shut down.
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