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Hello, I would like to know your recommendation of online map or tables of the napoleon route that is shown detailed information especially distance between each town and albergues that is understandable.Though I know there are already several nice apps for pilgrimage(The way these apps show distances and each points is often confusing me.), is there any website or app that can give me an overview of the entire pilgrimage route and also give information on the distance between towns?
Truth is, we argue about the validity of distances provided here or there non-stop -- though it does seem that, for the recent 2021-2022 double Holy Year, the Authorities in Galicia and to a degree in Castilla y León, made a significant effort to more accurately depict the distances on the Camino milestones ; I don't think that this work has trickled down, yet, to the kind of online website detail info that you're interested in, though most websites giving distances are at least roughly accurate.Hello, I would like to know your recommendation of online map or tables of the napoleon route that is shown detailed information especially distance between each town and albergues that is understandable.Though I know there are already several nice apps for pilgrimage(The way these apps show distances and each points is often confusing me.), is there any website or app that can give me an overview of the entire pilgrimage route and also give information on the distance between towns?
But I can attest the the first stage out of Irun on the Norte looks exactly like this elevation graph on the Buen Camino app!@Umi The profile diagrams that @chinacat has kindly provided make the elevations of the Napoleon Route look far more extreme than they are. I don't know the technical term but maybe it's to do with the relationship between the vertical and horizontal axes. They make the path look more like mountain climbing, which it is not. The elevations on Gronze are far more realistic in my experience.
Only Tom Cruise and Chuck Norris have ever completed the Norte !!But I can attest the the first stage out of Irun on the Norte looks exactly like this elevation graph on the Buen Camino app!
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But I can attest the the first stage out of Irun on the Norte looks exactly like this elevation graph on the Buen Camino app!
Not true!Only Tom Cruise and Chuck Norris have ever completed the Norte !!
And you survived the Purgatoria???!!! A first...I walked the Alpinsite Way (aka Purgatoria) for the 4th time this past September.
I was trying to be helpfulI see you are in a playful frame of mind
Hope you’re feeling somewhat better
The term you are searching for is 'vertical exaggeration'. Some level of vertical exaggeration is required to reveal the details of a climb that would otherwise disappear if the vertical and horizontal scales were the same.@Umi The profile diagrams that @chinacat has kindly provided make the elevations of the Napoleon Route look far more extreme than they are. I don't know the technical term but maybe it's to do with the relationship between the vertical and horizontal axes.
Actually, it is. You will climb many mountains along the Camino Frances. What you won't need to do is scale cliffs or scramble over rocky outcrops. There are many mountains in the world where the summit can be reached by walkers without technical climbing skills.They make the path look more like mountain climbing, which it is not.
The elevations are exactly the same!! It's their depiction that has changed, not the heights of the terrain. Using a Gronze sourced diagram of the terrain won't make it any easier to walk than using any of the other resources with greater vertical exaggeration. The slopes, climbs and distances are what they are. How you draw them might make a difference about how you perceive them, but will make no difference in what it will be like to walk them.The elevations on Gronze are far more realistic in my experience.
Nice to see a bit of Thomas fromFrom my house, at 45ft above sea level it’s a 3 mile walk to Truleigh Hill at 702ft. It’s an excellent training walk with a full pack and I try and keep my time sub 1 hour. If me and little dog walk to the Shepherd and Dog for a pint we get to climb it twice and like to keep our time under 3 hours (including the pint). The inclination of the north scarp of the downs is thrice that of our outward stroll to the top but we make it just the same.
I rarely look at profiles on Gronze or any other resource. My current height above sea level (hsl) and the hsl of my destination or any intrusive bumps in the way while useful in some circumstances ( bad weather or nighttime navigation) are not otherwise an issue. If I’m walking from Erehwon to Llareggub that’s where I’m going
Ms M A P Google has difficulty providing walking directions from Erewhon to Llareggub because she thinks that most people don't wish to walk across the ocean floor, see screenshot.From my house, at 45ft above sea level it’s a 3 mile walk to Truleigh Hill at 702ft. It’s an excellent training walk with a full pack and I try and keep my time sub 1 hour. If me and little dog walk to the Shepherd and Dog for a pint we get to climb it twice and like to keep our time under 3 hours (including the pint). The inclination of the north scarp of the downs is thrice that of our outward stroll to the top but we make it just the same.
I rarely look at profiles on Gronze or any other resource. My current height above sea level (hsl) and the hsl of my destination or any intrusive bumps in the way while useful in some circumstances ( bad weather or nighttime navigation) are not otherwise an issue. If I’m walking from Erehwon to Llareggub that’s where I’m going
The screen on my phone is 1080x2400. In landscape mode the 800 km of the CF can be shown at a scale of 3 pixels per km. Using the same scale I would only need 5 of the 1080 pixels to display the elevation changes.The term you are searching for is 'vertical exaggeration'. Some level of vertical exaggeration is required to reveal the details of a climb that would otherwise disappear if the vertical and horizontal scales were the same.
Aconcagua, in the Andes and the highest mountain outside of Asia, can be summited by hikers in excellent condition as long as they have determination and good weather. About 30% make it. Technical gear and expertise can help at the very top but are not required.There are many mountains in the world where the summit can be reached by walkers without technical climbing skills.
These documents are obsoleteHello!
Have you looked at this?
(It’s on this site.)
And this for the albergues:
I imagine you’re referring to the Camino Francés.
The Napoleon route is the first, or first and second, stage(s) of the Camino Francés. It will get you over the Pyrenees. Some pilgrims spend the first night at Orisson or Borda, in order to shorten the first stage.
You might find your search becomes easier if you search for the Camino Francés, instead of the Route Napoleon.
Buen Camino!
Thats the Fulking Escarpment for you. Think you are down hill of meFrom my house, at 45ft above sea level it’s a 3 mile walk to Truleigh Hill at 702ft. It’s an excellent training walk with a full pack and I try and keep my time sub 1 hour. If me and little dog walk to the Shepherd and Dog for a pint we get to climb it twice and like to keep our time under 3 hours (including the pint). The inclination of the north scarp of the downs is thrice that of our outward stroll to the top but we make it just the same.
I rarely look at profiles on Gronze or any other resource. My current height above sea level (hsl) and the hsl of my destination or any intrusive bumps in the way while useful in some circumstances ( bad weather or nighttime navigation) are not otherwise an issue. If I’m walking from Erehwon to Llareggub that’s where I’m going
I can understand the albergue list becoming outdated, but I'm not sure how profile maps become obsolete. Has the path alignment changed so much that they no longer reflect the elevation changes on the ground? Or is there another reason for this assessment?These documents are obsolete
There’s a Fulking escarpment? Excellent. If I ever keep my long-standing commitment to have a pint with Tincatinker on home-turf it’s another photo to add to my extensive collection which includes the road sign to Twatt on Orkney (with me stood at the business end of the ‘Twatt, this way’ arrow) and another of me obscuring the latter half of the ‘welcome to’ sign for the Yorkshire village of Penistone.Thats the Fulking Escarpment for you. Think you are down hill of me
I used forwalk and the stuff from Brierleys guides were ok for me
Agreed. The albergue list aside I used the profile maps one during my Summer 2022 Camino and thought them to be very helpful.I can understand the albergue list becoming outdated, but I'm not sure how profile maps become obsolete. Has the path alignment changed so much that they no longer reflect the elevation changes on the ground? Or is there another reason for this assessment?
I also do not understand the above statement. How are the apps' and profile maps' (oops.... apostrophes.... see the ongoing thread on that!Though I know there are already several nice apps for pilgrimage(The way these apps show distances and each points is often confusing me.),
Neither Napoleon nor his armies ever passed that way.
I hope these elevation profiles and comments are helpful:
The article mentions thatOh, yes they did, advancing from Saint-Jean-pied-de-port for the Battle of Roncesvalles on or about 25 July 1813.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Roncesvalles_(1813)
BTW, Wellesley didn't become Wellington until the following year.
Ms M A P Google has difficulty providing walking directions from Erewhon to Llareggub
I have never found AllTrails to be a battery hog. I used it to map each stage of my Via Podiensis. Well, AllTrails or Hiiker. I didn't use a playlist or anything else, just a breadcrumb app, and of course used my phone to take photos. Never had an issue. You could try it IRL before you go, just shut down wifi, stop auto app updates, and turn on "record" for a day's adventure at home - see how much battery you're left with.@kdespot With All Respect Due I found AllTrails to be somewhat 'cumbersome'. But, no matter - everyone has their likes and dislikes. What I would point out to is this - any apps running "live" as we know sap the battery from the phone, some are rather fast. My initial thought of having playing my Playlist(s), running FindPenguins and any other map-direction like app went up in smoke rather fast.
So unless you are prepared to walk with a battery pack or something similar - this will be not of too much help 'live'.
Unless of course what you meant is that the feature can be followed at any time; if so - yes it absolutely could be useful tool in preparation (I still content that knowing possible elevation ascend\descend number before hand will mean quite little during the actual walk)
I am not the person addressed as you but have used AllTrails before. Typically I used Wikiloc though as I preferred that. I downloaded the AllTrails app on my new phone though for comparison with other GPS apps. It wants $36 a year (a 50% off sale going on now though) so I'm not going to use it. Wikiloc is free but a paid premium version is available.Are you familiar with the app and website called AllTrails?
I understand but at the same in my case I was already running FindPenguins which was 'more important' to me.... I think that every one of these apps is a 'breadcrumb' when running alone, perhaps with another one, but when you try for 4-5 and yes the phone was constantly on - taking photos, dealing with WhatsApp and like it or not getting SMS messages from home every-so-often, well....I have never found AllTrails to be a battery hog. I used it to map each stage of my Via Podiensis. Well, AllTrails or Hiiker. I didn't use a playlist or anything else, just a breadcrumb app, and of course used my phone to take photos. Never had an issue. You could try it IRL before you go, just shut down wifi, stop auto app updates, and turn on "record" for a day's adventure at home - see how much battery you're left with.
Very old fashioned perhaps, but I love the online GPS map in the Wise Pilgrim Frances application, that always -wherever you are on the Camino, in the stark dark in the morning- shows you whether you are off the path. Click on the little location sign in the right upper corner. The online path is not always up to date with route changes (e.g. out of Ledigos) but in most cases it will bring you right back to the Camino.[Moderator changed the title from referring to "Napoleon route" to "Camino Francès)]
Hello, I would like to know your recommendation of online map or tables of the napoleon route that is shown detailed information especially distance between each town and albergues that is understandable.Though I know there are already several nice apps for pilgrimage(The way these apps show distances and each points is often confusing me.), is there any website or app that can give me an overview of the entire pilgrimage route and also give information on the distance between towns?
By "breadcrumb" I meant something that maps the path you have taken. A breadcrumb trail - so something that interacts with GPS to geolocate and track in real time. I guess that's what FindPenquins does, but maybe doesn't have trail maps loaded? I also used WhatsApp, my phone to make calls, SMS, etc. No issue with battery life. My phone was on, but I did shut down wifi and bluetooth when I wasn't in a gite, and allow only a few of my apps to use data, generally reducing battery usage. I'm not pushing AllTrails or anything at all, just when someone says they don't have enough battery to track a day's hiking, then I think there may be other issues. And perhaps you have a very old phone, in which case it's worth asking if a new phone is merited, in part for battery life, but also because the newer phones take awesome pictures.I understand but at the same in my case I was already running FindPenguins which was 'more important' to me.... I think that every one of these apps is a 'breadcrumb' when running alone, perhaps with another one, but when you try for 4-5 and yes the phone was constantly on - taking photos, dealing with WhatsApp and like it or not getting SMS messages from home every-so-often, well....
Again, by all means I am not anti-AllTrails. if it works for someone then kudos to them
Something similar happened to Richard Feynman and fellow fraternity pledges but with no map. One was laughing as they walked. He said just follow the telephone poles and turn toward the ones with the most wires.One exercise early in my training saw me blindfolded, driven in the back of a truck for several hours and dropped off in the middle of the night in the back-end of nowhere.
1 quart of water, 1 ration pack and an Ordnance Survey map were issued along with a grid reference. "24 hours" was the instruction
1. There are no stupid questions only stupid answers (case to point...LOL)I know this is a stupid question (no question is stupid unless you already know the answer) but doesn't anyone use paper maps anymore? What, not even the excellent Michelin of Northern Spain? Te one that lets you relate the path of the Camino Frances with its surrounding landscapes and possibly interesting diversions? Sorry, I've already established that I ask stupid questions.
One exercise early in my training saw me blindfolded, driven in the back of a truck for several hours and dropped off in the middle of the night in the back-end of nowhere. 1 quart of water, 1 ration pack and an Ordnance Survey map were issued along with a grid reference. "24 hours" was the instruction.
All the time you rely on your 'phone to tell you where you are you'll never really know where you are.
WOWVery old fashioned perhaps, but I love the online GPS map in the Wise Pilgrim Frances application, that always -wherever you are on the Camino, in the stark dark in the morning- shows you whether you are off the path. Click on the little location sign in the right upper corner. The online path is not always up to date with route changes (e.g. out of Ledigos) but in most cases it will bring you right back to the Camino.
And in addition, also very old fashioned, I find the Godesalco planner indispensable for planning my trip and days: https://godesalco.com/plan/frances
If this is true, I'd like to know. Can someone else confirm?WOW
If you are where the big blue dot is - you have DEFINITELY gone OFF PATH!
I know this is a stupid question (no question is stupid unless you already know the answer) but doesn't anyone use paper maps anymore? What, not even the excellent Michelin of Northern Spain? Te one that lets you relate the path of the Camino Frances with its surrounding landscapes and possibly interesting diversions? Sorry, I've already established that I ask stupid questions.
One exercise early in my training saw me blindfolded, driven in the back of a truck for several hours and dropped off in the middle of the night in the back-end of nowhere. 1 quart of water, 1 ration pack and an Ordnance Survey map were issued along with a grid reference. "24 hours" was the instruction.
All the time you rely on your 'phone to tell you where you are you'll never really know where you are.
I like paper maps. I have paper maps of the Camino. I don't take them on Camino with me. Never mind minimalist packing, I find that online maps are just more useful. Easy to zoom in and out and, more significantly, see where I am at a glance relative to the features on the map. I can use a paper map. But why when there is something better now? I don't carry my water in a gourd, either.I know this is a stupid question (no question is stupid unless you already know the answer) but doesn't anyone use paper maps anymore? What, not even the excellent Michelin of Northern Spain? Te one that lets you relate the path of the Camino Frances with its surrounding landscapes and possibly interesting diversions? Sorry, I've already established that I ask stupid questions.
One exercise early in my training saw me blindfolded, driven in the back of a truck for several hours and dropped off in the middle of the night in the back-end of nowhere. 1 quart of water, 1 ration pack and an Ordnance Survey map were issued along with a grid reference. "24 hours" was the instruction.
All the time you rely on your 'phone to tell you where you are you'll never really know where you are.
Yes, getting lost makes for some fun memories most of the time. We thought we were lost on day one, at a fork in the road, no arrow, in the fog and snow, dead phone battery (live and learn) . . . until the fog lifted, and we saw the two roads led to the same place a hundred yards in front of us.I guess that if your whole intention is to get to somewhere somewhen: your destination and on time, then getting lost is a fairly scary state of being. I've had some of my best adventures when lost. I always knew where I was: here. I just didn't necessarily know where there was. It didn't really matter at the time.
I'm quite happy to wander off trail, to wander cities without paying too much attention to where I am. It's just that, if (or when) I decide I want to get "there" and am ready to use a tool to get me "there", I see no reason not to use the best one available, especially if it takes occupies space in my backpack and weighs less.I guess that if your whole intention is to get to somewhere somewhen: your destination and on time, then getting lost is a fairly scary state of being. I've had some of my best adventures when lost. I always knew where I was: here. I just didn't necessarily know where there was. It didn't really matter at the time.
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