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Not at all silly. We need to do our best to stay fit and healthy, and our feet are very important to that.Sounds a bit silly worrying about being able to hike/run in the current climate when so many other people have so much more serious ailments/worries. So please forgive if I offend.
Yes I have this in my left foot. It has troubled me now for 3 years, but was aggravated by several incorrect diagnoses and inappropriate treatment, by doctors, physios, podiatrists and even the sports specialist. I spent literally thousands on orthotics and other treatments, none of which worked - and shoes that should have eased it (they didnt). And this year specialist appointments have been delayed hugely because of Covid. I had another MRI 4 months ago and have still not had the results back.Hi all,
Has anyone got any experience of the aforementioned? I have been experiencing discomfort with this since July 2019, finally saw a specialist in February 2020, MRI in March, Covid delayed follow up in August & now waiting for a slot to get a cortisone injection.
Main main question is - has anyone had a successful outcome from this procedure. Consultant told me that it might take a couple of injections or may not work at all.
Walks are now few & far between, running is non-existent since March, will I run again, will I have pain free hikes?
Sounds a bit silly worrying about being able to hike/run in the current climate when so many other people have so much more serious ailments/worries. So please forgive if I offend.
Thanking you all in advance,
M.
Good description. I occasionally have what I call a "twang."plucking a guitar string from the ball of my foot to the toe, which I presume is the nerve.
I have started wearing croc-type shoes inside the house, for the cushioningI can't have bare feet or shoes without the orthotics.
Question about the heel drop: On a trial run of some otherwise super-comfy Topo shoes, I found the big joint at the base of my big toe got sore from having to roll over it more degrees, from the lower position. Does this make sense? Or is it possible that wasn't an issue of the heel drop?Wide shoes from Altra are excellent. Hoka One shoes in wide width are also good. Haven’t tried them, but I have heard good things about the Topo line of shoes. Merrill and Keen also available in wide widths.
Hi there, I don’t have same problem, but thought I would share my experience with cortisone shot for foot problem. I had a ‘bursitis’ that involved fluid in sac on inside ankle area/where instep meets ankle. It caused me lots of discomfort and radiated to other area of foot, lower leg, calf etc. On camino I took ibuprofen to ease the pain. Back in Canada, the sac was identified through ultra sound. Doc removed the fluid using a syringe type instrument and followed with a cortisone injection, I had just the one injection and it worked. I subsequently walked another Camino with just a small amount of discomfort starting in the final days. Doc says I may in future experience same issue and can get another cortisone shot. I’m more diligent now about stretching the area, including calf and shin areas after running and walking. I’ll send good thoughts your cortisone treatment is as effective as mine.Hi C,
Thank you for your response.
So, morton's is also called an "intermetatarsal neuroma because it's located in the ball of the foot between your metatarsal bones. It happens when the tissue around a nerve that leads to a toe thickens from irritation or compression".
Inter metatarsil bursitis is an "inflammation of a small fluid filled sac that lies between the metatarsal heads.
The bursa becomes swollen and can cause pressure on the nerve in the web space."
So, maybe not much difference between both? Not sure exactly how yours feel but I suppose mine feels like a small little balloon under the ball of my foot, if I plant my foot a certain way it can give a very sudden shot of pain, feels as if the balloon is folding over & can feel like someone is plucking a guitar string from the ball of my foot to the toe, which I presume is the nerve.
While running I tended to run on the side of my foot or scrunch up my toes to protect the ball - this was not good for the rest of my foot or further up thru the Achilles, calf, knee & IT band.
I find I can walk most comfortable in my hiking boots, a good solid, less flexible soles. When walking/running in trail shoes/runners they are too flexible & when planting my foot - heel-ball-toe it hurts between ball & toe. Ergo the less flexible boots are better for me.
X-ray will not show, I had to get dye injected for the MRI to catch it.
I'm waiting for some sort of cortisone injection in between my toes. It's a day visit to hospital, I think radiologists may be involved & he says I'll need a couple of days off work.......
Have you considered that it might be a stress fracture? Since stress fractures are hard to diagnose definitively, it is hard to make the necessary commitment to the only treatment that will work - about 6 weeks of (almost) total rest for the foot. A few years back I had a stress fracture that was like that - I could walk about 8 km before it really bothered me. It was diagnosed with a bone scan, so I was forced to accept the treatment. It healed 100% after 6-7 weeks of virtually no walking. (Not 4 weeks, or 5 weeks)I could only describe it as feeling like all the bones were broken. No lumps just sharp, agonizing pain in the metatarsal area. Never diagnosed. It usually hits me around the 7 km mark.
I have had a similar condition because of hiking on rough terrain in thin soled shoes . I thought it might get better by itself , but 3 months and it still was painful . I got one steroid shot between the bones in my foot( it was painful) but ina couple day I was fine . Dont wait get the shot , it’s the inflammation that keeps it going .Hi all,
Has anyone got any experience of the aforementioned? I have been experiencing discomfort with this since July 2019, finally saw a specialist in February 2020, MRI in March, Covid delayed follow up in August & now waiting for a slot to get a cortisone injection.
Main main question is - has anyone had a successful outcome from this procedure. Consultant told me that it might take a couple of injections or may not work at all.
Walks are now few & far between, running is non-existent since March, will I run again, will I have pain free hikes?
Sounds a bit silly worrying about being able to hike/run in the current climate when so many other people have so much more serious ailments/worries. So please forgive if I offend.
Thanking you all in advance,
M.
Martin I have the same. I persevered for years until the pain put my gate off to the extent that I had pain right up to the knee. I also scrunched the toes under with the pain. Saw specialist and the suggestion was to see an podiatrist. I walked away with orthotics with a blimp under the ball of the foot so that on every step it opens up the metatarsals so that the cyst slides between and doesn't squash it. I can't have bare feet or shoes without the orthotics. It worked for me and have since done four caminos and waiting to do more. Hope you find some solution suitable for you.
Thank you lindigo,Martin I have the same. I persevered for years until the pain put my gate off to the extent that I had pain right up to the knee. I also scrunched the toes under with the pain. Saw specialist and the suggestion was to see an podiatrist. I walked away with orthotics with a blimp under the ball of the foot so that on every step it opens up the metatarsals so that the cyst slides between and doesn't squash it. I can't have bare feet or shoes without the orthotics. It worked for me and have since done four caminos and waiting to do more. Hope you find some solution suitable for you.
Thank you Albertagirl,@Martin.P
I do not have this condition, but I have a deteriorated knee and am waiting for surgery. I can say that I have had cortisone injections in that knee twice and have had no effects from the injections. My health care paid for them, but it did not pay for an alternate injection: hyaluronic acid injection. This also had no effect, but cost me $450 CAN. If your doctor suggests this and your insurance will cover it, it might be a good idea. But I would think it through carefully if you had no effect from the cortisone injections and no insurance coverage for this.
Hi Anamiri,Yes I have this in my left foot. It has troubled me now for 3 years, but was aggravated by several incorrect diagnoses and inappropriate treatment, by doctors, physios, podiatrists and even the sports specialist. I spent literally thousands on orthotics and other treatments, none of which worked - and shoes that should have eased it (they didnt). And this year specialist appointments have been delayed hugely because of Covid. I had another MRI 4 months ago and have still not had the results back.
Last year I received a cortisone injection which I was assured would fix it, but in fact it aggravated it so much more that I was crippled. I went from being able to walk with pain, to constant pain - sharp pulsing electric shocks shooting down my toes. The reaction to cortisone was so severe I had to hire a knee scooter and existed on strong painkillers for over a month initially. Then crutches for a few more weeks. I could almost not think of anything else the reaction was so severe.
Now I can walk as long as I take continue to take anti-inflammatories. I walked the Camino from Leon to Santiago last September. Not my best speed, and I iced it every night, and slept with my foot up on my pack. Really annoying as I dont normally sleep on my back. I walked in loose sandals with a very stiff sole and straps that didn't press down on it. I sent my pack ahead to limit the weight on my foot. It was still sore but walking the Camino was worth it. Everyone thought I was nuts to go, but walking the Camino didnt make it any worse.
I walk each day up to 8 kms but usually about 6kms with my dogs again i wear running shoes with an orthotic to reduce the flexibility. It is the only thing that has worked..
Covid has meant more time at home - not wearing shoes, which has helped. The area is still so tender that it hurts when the sheets touch it, and I am very limited in footwear as I cant have anything that touches that area at all. I find that I cant stand, I either have to be moving, or sitting with my foot up, standing still or sitting with my foot down is painful.
When I was younger, 30 years ago, I remember that I had hip bursitis. I remember having physio treatment, which must have worked as I haven't been troubled with it since, so hopefully there is some treatment for this that will work
This word "hyaluronic acid" I found online while looking for specific details on the alternative injection which I had after cortisone injections failed. I was told that it was intended to replace the liquid in my damaged knee. I do not think that this is the market name for this product, as various alternative product names were given.Thank you Albertagirl,
I have never heard of a hyaluronic acid injection, you learn something new everyday, I'll keep that in my back pocket just in case.
Thanks again,
M
Hi Penbaysail,Respectfully, I don’t recollect ever using the diagnosis of intermetatarsal bursitis (36 years of a hospital podiatry practice + just retired). My thoughts below are not an attempt to diagnose you from afar, but rather broad treatment suggestions.
Most instances of forefoot pain were either Morton’s Neuroma, Metatarsalgia, or a stress fracture. The first two were a clinical diagnosis that didn’t require x-rays or MRI. Treatment for both (Morton’s Neuroma and Metatarsalgia) were similar. Both benefited from plenty of forefoot cushioning, while a Morton’s Neuroma needs the widest shoe that you can find. An orthotic is helpful, both to shift weight away from the metatarsal heads and as a vehicle for applying a metatarsal pad. The orthotic can be a ready made one of moldable foam that that adapts to your foot with walking. I had consistently good results with XPE Half-Sole orthotics in the correct size from Alimed (Dedham, Massachusetts) combined with two Spenco Rx Comfort Insoles (a flat sheet of Neoprene rubber), underneath and over top of the orthotic. An oval metatarsal pad of 1/8” foam, glued to the bottom front edge of the orthotic can be cut out of a shoe insole, but I typically bought an extra Spenco Rx Comfort Insole that was consigned to having pieces cut out. The total bill for the orthotic + insoles will usually be less than $50 on Amazon or directly from Alimed (all U.S. prices).
Wide shoes from Altra are excellent. Hoka One shoes in wide width are also good. Haven’t tried them, but I have heard good things about the Topo line of shoes. Merrill and Keen also available in wide widths.
A single, well-placed cortisone injection was occasionally of benefit, though I rarely needed it after getting the patient into a wide shoe + double Spenco insoles + metatarsal pad + XPE orthotic. Repeated cortisone injections can cause soft tissue atrophy and, rarely, tendon or plantar plate rupture, so I avoided them.
Good luck.
I have taken this as a supplement off and on in pill form ,it is supposed to help rebuild the cartlidge in the joint . I did not notice any re!ief but since i have a BIG bottle i take one now and again .This word "hyaluronic acid" I found online while looking for specific details on the alternative injection which I had after cortisone injections failed. I was told that it was intended to replace the liquid in my damaged knee. I do not think that this is the market name for this product, as various alternative product names were given.
I had a painful knee after last may's west highland way hike in Scotland .it would not go away .anti inflammatory pills was only of little help . I went to an orthipedic who said you are getting old and live with it . I went to a sports ortho who immediately said ,i can fix it arthoscoptly . Three little incissions and he trimed a torn meniscus and flushwd out a lifetime of cartlidge fibers and i was back to my normal in 3 weeks ,best thing i ever had a doctor do , get the right guy who does this every week and get references first .But do it .@Martin.P
I do not have this condition, but I have a deteriorated knee and am waiting for surgery. I can say that I have had cortisone injections in that knee twice and have had no effects from the injections. My health care paid for them, but it did not pay for an alternate injection: hyaluronic acid injection. This also had no effect, but cost me $450 CAN. If your doctor suggests this and your insurance will cover it, it might be a good idea. But I would think it through carefully if you had no effect from the cortisone injections and no insurance coverage for this.
Hi Natcats,As with many others here (hi fellow metatarsal bobos sufferers!), I use small pads that I stick on my insoles. I get these metatarsal pads online, for about 25$/dozen pairs. I have Morton's neuromas in both feet, and have suffered for almost a decade. A lasting gift from the army. Absolutely nothing else worked for me (custom orthotics, injections, laser, and taping). I didn't want to try surgery as I was unconvinced it would fix anything. The first long-distance hike I did with my met pads was GLORIOUS. I didn't have that feeling of walking on broken feet or having an eternal pebble in my shoe. In a crunch, I have fashioned them myself with layers of felt and k-tape!
I used that video to help guide me (sorry, can't do the fancy link thing on my phone):
Good luck!
Hi Howardd5,I had a painful knee after last may's west highland way hike in Scotland .it would not go away .anti inflammatory pills was only of little help . I went to an orthipedic who said you are getting old and live with it . I went to a sports ortho who immediately said ,i can fix it arthoscoptly . Three little incissions and he trimed a torn meniscus and flushwd out a lifetime of cartlidge fibers and i was back to my normal in 3 weeks ,best thing i ever had a doctor do , get the right guy who does this every week and get references first .But do it .
Thank you Madamjoy - gives me hope!Hi there, I don’t have same problem, but thought I would share my experience with cortisone shot for foot problem. I had a ‘bursitis’ that involved fluid in sac on inside ankle area/where instep meets ankle. It caused me lots of discomfort and radiated to other area of foot, lower leg, calf etc. On camino I took ibuprofen to ease the pain. Back in Canada, the sac was identified through ultra sound. Doc removed the fluid using a syringe type instrument and followed with a cortisone injection, I had just the one injection and it worked. I subsequently walked another Camino with just a small amount of discomfort starting in the final days. Doc says I may in future experience same issue and can get another cortisone shot. I’m more diligent now about stretching the area, including calf and shin areas after running and walking. I’ll send good thoughts your cortisone treatment is as effective as mine.
Hi Acoupar,I too have experienced metatarsal issues. I could only describe it as feeling like all the bones were broken. No lumps just sharp, agonizing pain in the metatarsal area. Never diagnosed. It usually hits me around the 7 km mark. I have to sit down, remove my boots and sock to massage the joints. After a short rest, I could walk again. Sometimes I just powered through the pain.
I had custom orthotics made which sort of lifted the front of my arch, taking pressure off those bones. They helped. Also I wear hiking boots with a wide toe box with stiff soles.
Every night I rubbed Traumeel all over the ball of my foot and the top side. Some Advil too. It seemed to cure me, but still acts up from time to time.
Keeping ahead of the pain by taking regular breaks is paramount.
Thank you OTH86,Hi @Martin.P ~
I had this problem - ball of the right foot felt like a stone was in my boot, extremely painful, I could barely walk! Went in to a farmacia in Fromista. The pharmacist gave me an insert for my boot to try. It had a bit of a heel cup, a bit of an arch support and ended about an inch distally from the toes. There’s an oval-shaped pad a bit further back from where I feel the pain - all part of the insert. He tested several inserts, until he found the one that fit my foot best. My Spanish isn’t up to this sort of discussion, but he was very happy, and smiling, and apparently reassuring me it would be better now. And it was! All the way to Santiago - and beyond.
When I got home and went to a podiatrist, he said that pharmacist was exactly right — the insert was perfectly fitted with the pad so when I step on the foot, the insert pushes forward (towards the toes) - I don’t know why, but it works for me. He also recommended that I get boots with a larger toe box.
I still have the insert from Fromista, and use it in my old boots and some other shoes. I now have new Hoka boots, with a larger toe box, and have no more problems. Well, until yesterday, when I wore walking shoes I haven’t worn for a long time, and there was the stone. Discovered those shoes are narrower than I should be wearing! I had no idea!
Obviously, no guarantee this will work for you, but at minimal cost and no invasive procedures, maybe you can sort it yourself. And when you get to Fromista, cross the “bridge” over the canal and continue along that street until you see a small Santander bank on the left at a large intersection, turn left at the corner and see the green farmacia sign - that’s Juan Ramón Rodríguez Medina’s farmacia… thank him for me!
Good luck!! And Buen Camino to you and your feet!
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