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I’m sorry for your loss, and I don’t think that feeling grief for a a loved pet is disrespectful to others who may have lost a person.I know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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Thus my only complaint with Thomas Aquinas, as the above being a legacy (imho) of his assertion that dogs have no souls.I should note that if you want your Compostela "In Vicarie Pro", that the poor clerk will probably not be permitted to enter "Fluffy", though I believe that Henrythedog successfully walked for "Henry".
Roman Catholic teaching, which the custom comes from, certainly supports blessing pets, just as it supports blessing farm animals. But please keep in mind that In Vicarie Pro was originally meant to support gaining a plenary indulgence for the soul of the departed. The subject of whether animals have souls *that need Gods forgiveness* is... debated.
Or like me, wants children. But pass me a basket of puppies and kittens and it’s a whole different story.Not everyone can have children and the world is not human-centric.
First, may I say I'm so sorry for your loss. I know the despair and heartache well. Second, my answer to your question is yes. In fact, I ended up walking the Frances to help me heal. I didn't plan the trip, didn't train, really knew nothing more than what a friend who had done it told me about it. I went to REI, bought a few items, hopped on a plane and figured out how to get to St. John Pied de Port and started walking. I also held a special ceremony at Cruz de Ferro in the early morning hours. The Camino provided me the space to freely grieve, to remember the special memories and to cherish how much my life has been enriched by the love of my "babies".I know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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I’m so sorry for your loss! I’ve walked a few Caminos in honor of my beloved pets and I even walked the Portuguese in order to go to Fatima for holy water in hopes it would ease the suffering of one of my fur babies.I know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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The best honour you could pay your beloved pet is to undertake your walk, to carry a photo of him/her and to tell anyone you get close to his/her story. The pure and unconditional love a pet both gives and receives is worthy of a pilgrimage. If anybody you meet can’t understand that you’re better off without them.I know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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What a beautiful story and what a wonderful sounding dog. We rescued a mother(18 months) and her puppy (3 months) in July 2019. They were from Huercal Overa in Andalucia. The mother has one eye and has Leishmania, a disease endemic in Southern Spain.She has limited mobility and various other symptoms. I too have not undertaken a lengthy stage Walk or even a lengthy day walk since we got them.The stoicism and unconquerable spirit of a dog is a true inspiration and a true manifestation of love.There is a 10 year gap in my walking history. I adopted a hard-to-place dog from a rescue centre: three legs, one eye, very little brain! A very rough time had left him very troubled at first. He became so strongly attached to me that I could not leave him at home for any significant length of time. After his death I began long-distance walking again. I did not walk for him but for several years he walked along with me in my imagination.
Here is a portrait in chalk on black card - a birthday card drawn by my daughter. Framed behind glass now. Precious.
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PS: This was not Photoshopped - it really was the registration number of a neighbour's car at the time!
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But please keep in mind that In Vicarie Pro was originally meant to support gaining a plenary indulgence for the soul of the departed. The subject of whether animals have souls *that need Gods forgiveness* is... debated.
They don't need plenary indulgences or forgiveness, and so no need for penitencial indulgences or certificates.
Thomas Aquinas obviously never saw two dogs chasing each other on a sandy beach on a spring day.Thus my only complaint with Thomas Aquinas, as the above being a legacy (imho) of his assertion that dogs have no souls.
He did not have, I think, real exposure to canines of quality.
The only problem that dogs present is that their lives are too short for us, their fur-less buddies.
B
The Compostela is available to all who meet the cathedral's conditions - and being a Roman Catholic is not one of those. You can claim yours with a clear conscience. The indulgences that may be associated with walking a Camino are a more complicated business and have additional religious conditions which include sacramental acts normally only open to Catholics. Not likely to be of much interest to non-Catholics anyway. Or to a lot of Catholics for that matter.I have the utmost respect for the beliefs and traditions of those of faith; but I’m sure I’m not alone in not being Roman Catholic but still claiming (on many occasions) a compostela.
Two out of three certainly.What about goldfish? Can they be blessed? Or Fireflies? Or Unicorns?
From my point of view but IWhat about goldfish? Can they be blessed? Or Fireflies? Or Unicorns?
Not exactly the same, but on my first Camino in 2014, the most unusual Pilgrim I encountered was a tiny French Woman. She was walking with a bird cage containing a canary. The word was that the canary was the soul of her dead husband and she was taking his soul to Santiago.I know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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I personally feel you walk the camino for yourself. It facilitates reflection and healing in your life. People and pets are apart of that reflection and healing. Buen caminoI know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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It is entirely your Camino and you can with pride and confidence share ( or not share) that info with anyone along the way. Buen CaminoI know some people walk a Camino for a deceased friend or loved one, family. So in this context walking for an animal might sound wrong or disrespectful.
And it never came to my mind to do so until when yesterday I suddenly lost a beloved furry friend, not a youngster, but still she was the youngest of our tiny pack of 3 Siberian huskies.
My first thought was I need to cancel the whole journey, how could I walk in just 4 weeks from now. But then the brain haze cleared up a bit and it seems that I will of course walk, but it feels like it will be a walk different from what was planned originally. I will walk it for her – wether I want it or not.
So I am just curious, did anyone else ever walk for a non-human being?
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I love that description - especially 'perragrina'our beloved, deceased four-legged child, also a perragrina
Hi Tom,My advice, and personal plan for my terminally ill cat / daughter, is to walk a Camino. I will then ask for the Compostela “In Vicare Pro” of my “daughter” Samantha.
In the end, it’s between you and your God. To the staff at the pilgrim office, a name is a name. Seriously, no one is going to ask.
And yes, I do expect to see all my pets at the Heavenly Gates.” On the other side of The Rainbow Bridge.
Hope this helps,
Tom
Frankly, I don't understand this.I’ve seen photos of pets as well as old collars left at way markers, and I think it’s a wonderful tribute.
If you are still in Santiago, and able to return to the office, do so. Ask the security folks to let you in to see La Jefa - the woman in charge. Sra. Noelia Marquez is the overall manager of the office. Srta. Maria Neira Calvo is also a manager. In any event, see any permanent staff - not a volunteer - sometimes volunteer training is spotty.Hi Tom,
Having just tried and failed yesterday to include my ill 80-year-old sister on my Compostela, and having walked with that intention, I found that the volunteer did not know what the term “in vicare pro” means.
I found no one before going in to get the Compostela who seemed “askable” for this special request. She said there was nothing she could do except to wish me and my sister well, and I left it at that, seeing no recourse at that point. Perhaps the process could be made clearer to both Pilgrims and volunteers. I’m aware of the good work all of the volunteers, including you, do, and the general pressure of the seemingly endless line at the door.
Please accept my thanks for that. I will tell my sister I walked for her and give her my Compostela.
All the best,
Paul
I’m on my way!If you are still in Santiago, and able to return to the office, do so. Ask the security folks to let you in to see La Jefa - the woman in charge. Sra. Noelia Marquez is the overall manager of the office. Srta. Maria Neira Calvo is also a manager. In any event, see any permanent staff - not a volunteer - sometimes volunteer training is spotty.
You are entitled to this and should ask for it if you are there and can still do so.
Depending on who is working the front door at security, telling them that "El Sherif" or "Don Tomás" told you to return should do the trick. Unless the security person is brand new, they know me - or of me.
I am sorry for this inconvenience. Hoep this helps,
Tom
Hope this helps.
Tom
Thank you Tom. All sorted now. Thank you for your help, and your good nature.I’m on my way!
Just a question to better understand. Is it a requirement that the office write the “in vicare pro” and the name, or can you do it yourself? This was a bit of confusion I have after another thread where it sounded like people where adding it themselves, and asking about how you indicate this on the new website.If you are still in Santiago, and able to return to the office, do so. Ask the security folks to let you in to see La Jefa - the woman in charge. Sra. Noelia Marquez is the overall manager of the office. Srta. Maria Neira Calvo is also a manager. In any event, see any permanent staff - not a volunteer - sometimes volunteer training is spotty.
You are entitled to this and should ask for it if you are there and can still do so.
Depending on who is working the front door at security, telling them that "El Sherif" or "Don Tomás" told you to return should do the trick. Unless the security person is brand new, they know me - or of me.
I am sorry for this inconvenience. Hoep this helps,
Tom
Hope this helps.
Tom
Hard to answer the question. In the normal course of things, a pilgrim will mention the non-present person, telling the staff person that they are deceased, aged, infirm, or most of the above. The staff person will write the phrase "In Vicare Pro (first name last name of other person)" below the pre-printed information.Just a question to better understand. Is it a requirement that the office write the “in vicare pro” and the name, or can you do it yourself? This was a bit of confusion I have after another thread where it sounded like people where adding it themselves, and asking about how you indicate this on the new website.
Thanks
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/vicarie-pro.79492/#post-1138832
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