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It's traditional that, when you arrive in Santiago de Compostela, you must visit the Plaza de las Platerías and kiss the noses of the horses in the fountain.And in my more frivolous moments I've been wondering what other pieces of nonsense it might be fun to seed and see if they establish themselves!Suggestions?
DANG! I missed doing that.....It's traditional that, when you arrive in Santiago de Compostela, you must visit the Plaza de las Platerías and kiss the noses of the horses in the fountain.
What was the nurse doing there? I suppose what you meant to say, was having aggravated her, she put a temporary curse on you….… but it was clear that I had aggravated a nurse near my hips, it fell out of place and everything fell with it.
Wait, so we are supposed to bathe in that fountain AND kiss the noses? Got it.It's traditional that, when you arrive in Santiago de Compostela, you must visit the Plaza de las Platerías and kiss the noses of the horses in the fountain.
I can absolutely relate. Nothing to do with Camino but in "my previous life" aka ACW Living History\Reenactment I did become one of "The Ghosts of Gettysburg" on one of the Paranormal sites.All the way from there to Santiago, I heard various versions of "The Miracle of the Cripple." I always chuckled, knowing the truth.
I assume many of the myths are simply tales that are told related to real events that are somehow fractured by each subsequent teller.
I always chuckled, knowing the truth.
A great pity. Pilgrims whofsil to kiss the noses of the horses on their first visit are obliged to osculate their posteriors if they return to Santiago. Enjoy.DANG! I missed doing that.....
Their own or those of the horses? I'm not that supple these days.A great pity. Pilgrims whofsil to kiss the noses of the horses on their first visit are obliged to osculate their posteriors if they return to Santiago. Enjoy.
Another reader pointed that out to me. When I reread it, I couldn't stop laughing. Now THAT would be a great myth: aggravated nurse leaves peregrino crippled...but there is a miraculous recovery and shrine is built to the Madonna of The Cripple. Of course, it was a typo. I meant to type nerve. I edited the story. Not as interesting now. Nurse was better!What was the nurse doing there? I suppose what you meant to say, was having aggravated her, she put a temporary curse on you….
Perhaps a reference to this spot on the Camino Ingles, just outside SdeC?There is that haunted spot on the camino where it is best for pilgrims to run through. I'm not sure where it is but I've heard it is uphill.
That would explain why, in tradition, any Pilgrim who manages to catch the Botafumeiro will be instantly transported to the Monastery of the Pantokratoros on Mount Athos.the tiraboleiros who swing the Botafumeiro are Eastern Orthodox priests
That "tradition" was invented by Decathalon, Patagonia and Cotswold Outdoor amongst others in order to generate replacement purchasingI think of the so called "custom" of burning clothes at Finisterre. It's a dangerous practice with modern origins.
Looks like it's missing a hill but it's as good as any and better than most.Perhaps [the haunted place is] a reference to this spot on the Camino Ingles, just outside SdeC?
Great little book. I tried to purchase it but the payment wouldn't work. I contacted Rebecca and she sent me a copy and said I should make a donation to the homeless. Been making that payment monthly ever since. Sorry, way off topic.What comes to mind immediately to me is the history of the Monastery and Hospital at San Anton near Castrojeriz. Run by Templars who were stance supporters of the Crusades and arch enemies of the Muslims and yet they’re there to serve in the honor of an eastern saint from Egypt. Reb Scott has published a brilliant little book about its history but there is so much we don’t know about. The Monastery survive for 100’s of year under Muslim rule in Spain.
It's Ciruena.There is that haunted spot on the camino where it is best for pilgrims to run through. I'm not sure where it is but I've heard it is uphill.
Locals have a custom of inviting newcomers to see the blue fish in the fountain. As you bend over to look, they splash water in your face. Hilarious.t's traditional that, when you arrive in Santiago de Compostela, you must visit the Plaza de las Platerías and kiss the noses of the horses in the fountain.
Don, evidently the brilliant little book didn't make a big impression, or perhaps you're enumerating more odd myths of San Anton? The place was never run by Knights Templar, even though there's lots of unsubstantiated Templar moonshine associated with it. (anything mysterious or woowoo is somehow "templar" around here!)What comes to mind immediately to me is the history of the Monastery and Hospital at San Anton near Castrojeriz. Run by Templars who were stance supporters of the Crusades and arch enemies of the Muslims and yet they’re there to serve in the honor of an eastern saint from Egypt. Reb Scott has published a brilliant little book about its history but there is so much we don’t know about. The Monastery survive for 100’s of year under Muslim rule in Spain.
I'll buy one!Don, evidently the brilliant little book didn't make a big impression, or perhaps you're enumerating more odd myths of San Anton? The place was never run by Knights Templar, even though there's lots of unsubstantiated Templar moonshine associated with it. (anything mysterious or woowoo is somehow "templar" around here!)
I think I shall send a pile of "San Anton: A Little History" booklets to Ivar, to sell in his store.
I have trouble with that name, I recognize it but I can't remember the name when I want to use it; Chernobyl is what comes to mind. Perhaps a new myth about the radioactivity there could be started.It's Ciruena.
[…] someone posted a question about some etched and painted rocks on the Camino Frances. […] had been told that they were the work of the Knights Templar and were repainted from time to time by local communities. [… ] the tiraboleiros who swing the Botafumeiro are Eastern Orthodox priests
Going off piste comes to mind. It's been done before.I have trouble with that name, I recognize it but I can't remember the name when I want to use it; Chernobyl is what comes to mind. Perhaps a new myth about the radioactivity there could be started.
OUCHI have trouble with that name, I recognize it but I can't remember the name when I want to use it; Chernobyl is what comes to mind. Perhaps a new myth about the radioactivity there could be started.
Excellent! Now we know the true story behind the Santo Domingo chicken business - Spiderman-style radiation induced regeneration....Now... as long as we dragged Chernobyl into it - for eons there were articles in that "Bible of TRUTH" - The National Enquirer about the giant chicken of Chernobyl
Oh look! @Bradypus brought us back on topic by mentioning the Santo Domingo chickens!Excellent! Now we know the true story behind the Santo Domingo chicken business - Spiderman-style radiation induced regeneration....
Now I know why I never saw them the two times I ws in Santo Domingo.Alive n kickin
trashigrinosNew myth:
All true pilgrims must have collected at least one bag of trash along the way, and deposited it in the proper garbage bins in order to stay at the albergues… FACT.
See - thats another Camino myth that you can see them at a whim any given time you pass SDdCNow I know why I never saw them the two times I ws in Santo Domingo.
The smell might be a problem but most cattle are tolerant beasts and wouldn't complain too much.I somehow got the idea that when beds were unavailable, pilgrims should be prepared to be put up in stables alongside livestock. (This was in Brierley’s guide, I believe – 2nd edition, 2007.)
Wrong Pilgrimage! Try Camino BethlehemioNew myths or fables.... I somehow got the idea that when beds were unavailable, pilgrims should be prepared to be put up in stables alongside livestock.
In my experience of some of the traditional Fondas in the late '60's & the '70's the accommodations provided for the valuable Mules and expensive Horses was of far better comfort than that afforded the humans.I somehow got the idea that when beds were unavailable, pilgrims should be prepared to be put up in stables alongside livestock
@Tincatinker, you are often a wealth of very interesting trivia on so many forum topics, even when you occasionally wander off. I always enjoy your input, quirky and unusual as it can be.In my experience of some of the traditional Fondas in the late '60's & the '70's the accommodations provided for the valuable Mules and expensive Horses was of far better comfort than that afforded the humans.
Aren’t you giving this stuff credit that it doesn’t deserveOne of the pleasures of the Camino is to collect and enjoy its myths and legends. People have made and repeated them in every culture, for they express our natural impulse to make sense of our existence here.
New myths or fables.... I somehow got the idea that when beds were unavailable, pilgrims should be prepared to be put up in stables alongside livestock. (This was in Brierley’s guide, I believe – 2nd edition, 2007.) Actually, I can well believe this occurred in the not-so-distant past – for Brierley or people whose stories he heard? I never encountered it personally. It sounded grand to me, yet I can see how a revival of this story might reduce a few numbers today.
Perhaps you're not, but there is are two gargoyles on the roof-line of the Parador in Santiago who are (or were). One is on the south front, the other is on the east side.Their own or those of the horses? I'm not that supple these days.
Seeing all the crap posted as fact on social media, I find myself thinking about history, where scholars carefully research ancient sources to figure out what really happened. I think, "How do we know all those ancient writers weren't just passing on garbage made up by some dingbat?"Of all the legends, arguably the most famous was immortalized in the Chanson de Roland. The actual battle near Roncesvalles involved those pesky Basques routing the French army sent by Charlemagne. In the Chanson, it's not the Basques; it's Muslims. So much of history has been rewritten to suit the times. And it's still happening.
No, we don't.Did you know that the Knights Templar have meetings throughout Europe?
The bit about the 20th c Dutch artist's work was dealt with earlier in this thread. Of course, anyone who knew what there is to know about the knights templar would see that attribution as a hoax. I certainly don't think they were medieval, and actually did not accord them any importance in my walk. Let us not argue about medieval legends. I just find delight, as you say, in them and in the history of the Camino.Aren’t you giving this stuff credit that it doesn’t deserve? Before the Age of Enlightenment, people did believe that a hanged young man on the gallows could be kept alive for weeks by a saint holding him up and that hens being roasted on a spit over a roaring fire could become alive again and fly away, and we find delight in hearing these ancient myths and legends.
But 16 pieces of abstract rock art created in 1999 by a contemporary Dutch artist during his pilgrimage to Santiago who documented his Camino walk on his website for all to read and with photos to be viewed by anyone around the world - and instead we are told these rock paintings had been created by the Knights Templar (and it‘s always them and never any other of these medieval orders) and are regularly repainted by the locals? Puh-lease … whoever tells you that is either gullible themselves or pulling your legs.
So do I and I often find the historical facts that lie buried underneath a legend more interesting and fascinating than the legend itself. I misunderstood your comment - I thought that you were referring to current “myths”. This thread has now become a mixture of comments about “a current story and other nonsense”, about well-known century old myths, and about myths that are made up while writing a post for this threadI just find delight, as you say, in them and in the history of the Camino
Except when they are destructive or dangerous like burning clothes or anything else at Finisterre, or swimming in the notoriously dangerous ocean there - it's not the Costa da Morte for nothing.One of the pleasures of the Camino is to collect and enjoy its myths and legends.
Responding toSeeing all the crap posted as fact on social media, I find myself thinking about history, where scholars carefully research ancient sources to figure out what really happened. I think, "How do we know all those ancient writers weren't just passing on garbage made up by some dingbat?"
Of all the legends, arguably the most famous was immortalized in the Chanson de Roland. The actual battle near Roncesvalles involved those pesky Basques routing the French army sent by Charlemagne. In the Chanson, it's not the Basques; it's Muslims. So much of history has been rewritten to suit the times. And it's still happening.
If interested have a look at the entry for Roi, Roy, Leroy, Rey in the French Encyclopédie sur saint Jacques et Compostelle. It starts with contrairement à une idée répandue - contrary to a wide-spread idea …Roy du Pèlerinage
Amen sister.We of the post-religious world look for something meaningful in the ruins of what our grandparents threw away and exploded. A lot of the time, we come up with a lot of our own crackpot nonsense.
The two examples which I mention in the original post are demonstrably false by a very basic enquiry. I asked if others had similar examples of specious claims which do not bear any serious examination. I think that in the circumstances "nonsense" is justifiedI wish the title of this thread would not include the words « and other nonsense. »
Nope. It is the kind of nonsense that is meant by the second half of the tread title and perhaps due to the misunderstanding that the first half is an invitation to post more of the same.Templar cross?
Brilliant.By way of an illustration, with thanks to Amazon.com:
Vira, didn't you KNOW the Templar Knights invented the breeze block? Jeez.Brilliant.
But are we sure those breeze blocks don't have Templar connections?
1950 or 1050? That is a serious question. I just wanted to clarify.Europe 1000-1950 was a very religious place
Ohhhhh. Now the penny drops. The fulfillment of a little-known part of Jacques Moloy's curse from the flames. Gotcha.didn't you KNOW the Templar Knights invented the breeze block? Jeez.
In the context of Rebekah's post, 1050 makes no sense - unless average generation length in your family is a wee bit longer than it is for the rest of us?1950 or 1050?
As an aside, I've calculated that the fuente just past the albergue can be considered to be a halfway point on the Camino Francés. It is as many degrees west of the Port de Notre Dame in SJPdP as it is degrees east of the cathedral in SdC.Jacques de Molay
Albergue Jacques de Molay at Terradillo de los Templarios.
I didn't know that. Thank you sir.Jacques de Molay
Albergue Jacques de Molay at Terradillo de los Templarios.
I certainly know about typos; nevertheless I persevere although it is past my bedtime...I didn't know that. Thank you sir.
And you may not know about typos, perhaps?)
Thank you for that link, Margaret.The Temple and Jacques de Molay had and continue to have an immense impact on Paris which is summarized in this brief description of what was, what changed and what still is
Only if one believes that the Camino Frances starts in SJPdP.As an aside, I've calculated that the fuente just past the albergue can be considered to be a halfway point on the Camino Francés. It is as many degrees west of the Port de Notre Dame in SJPdP as it is degrees east of the cathedral in SdC.
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