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Can’t happen because there is no standardized mechanism to do so.The question is whether, as of June 7, Americans will even need to have their passport number shown on the document that proves their vaccination. Whether it is not enough when the documentation that they carry with them to Spain shows their full name and the specific details about the vaccination itself. Perhaps I didn't make this clear in my previous comment.
I don't understand that comment.Can’t happen because there is no standardized mechanism to do so.
You can use your passport number as the personal identification number for obtaining the QR code. Below are your choices when you start filling in the obligatory SpTH form to obtain the obligatory QR code that you must have when you arrive at an airport in Spain. I've made screenshots of the current form so that we have a clear idea of what we are talking about.I was referring to using PP number just to obtain for QR code.
The journalist is not confused. It is in the Resolucíon. I quoted the passage already in an earlier comment.It's not what the laws you linked to yesterday indicated. My hope is that the journalist is simply as confused as everyone else by Spain's excessively laconic communications regarding risk & non-risk countries.
Yes but earlier laws establishing exemptions persist, don't they ?The journalist is not confused. It is in the Resolucíon. I quoted the passage already in an earlier comment.
No.Those last minute changes regarding Portugal are very concerning.
The India variant is resistant to some degree to the antibodies artificially created by the vaccines, about which I refuse to say more in this forum, and this has made some European Governments nervous.Maybe the UK and the Spanish governments know something we don't know yet.
"it really spoiled our holiday, totally".
Reminds me of one of these articles about travel insurance complaints being filed in the hope of getting a refund:Furthermore...
"I was pretty furious because they should have told us to watch out if we were going to Portugal so everyone would have known."
I guess they missed the fact there is still a pandemic and complicated travel warnings!
We also read this today and it affects us as we’re just over a week away from crossing from Portugal into Spain on foot.Spain's new rules have started to make their way into the news media.
Spain imposes Covid-19 test on anyone crossing the land border with PortugalThe Spanish government has decided to impose a proof of vaccination, recovery from the disease or negative tests for Covid-19 on all who cross the border with Portugal. A measure that was not agreed in advance with the Portuguese government. Although the borders are open, the Spanish have warned that they have mobile controls near the border and the fines are around 3,000 € in case of non-compliance with any of these health rules.The quote above is taken from this evening's publication of the Portuguese newspaper Diário de Notícias.
If you want to read it yourself, click here: https://translate.google.com/transl...-cruze-a-fronteira-com-portugal-13811913.html
Hopeyou can get-an RAT…We also read this today and it affects us as we’re just over a week away from crossing from Portugal into Spain on foot.
Thank you but that won’t be our crossing as we’ll be on the Geira instead. There are a lot of moving parts here re: Portugal’s response and the possibility that I could receive the single J&J jab before crossing.Well, if you are heading towards Valença-Tui bridge, you can get a €25 RAT(Rapid Antigen Test) in Valença (link) - certainly better to pay €25 then to risk €3000 (I'm guessing you haven't been vaccinated). And Bom Caminho by the way!
You'd still need the test, as 14 days delay after the jab are required -- but it might help for the return journey.Thank you but that won’t be our crossing as we’ll be on the Geira instead. There are a lot of moving parts here re: Portugal’s response and the possibility that I could receive the single J&J jab before crossing.
I am prepared to take a test, that’s not the problem. In February I took 10 tests in three weeks as part of my work at the alpine skiing world championships. The issue for me is whether tests are available near the border on the Geira.It is not surprising that the requirements change with the ongoing lifting of numerous public health related restrictions while incidence rates are still moderate to high throughout the EU and that includes Portugal. Vaccinated people will carry their vaccination certificates and that's it for them, and non-vaccinated people, who are decreasing in numbers every day, will have to be prepared to take tests when it is required of them.
Good news! I wrote to the Houston consulate and sent an image of my vaccination card. They replied,My US vaccination certificate also lacks an ID number. Official statements published in May explicitly require a passport or ID number on the certificate. Has that changed?
Two new pieces are published in today's edition of the BOE:I am prepared to take a test, that’s not the problem. In February I took 10 tests in three weeks as part of my work at the alpine skiing world championships. The issue for me is whether tests are available near the border on the Geira.
Permitted tests:When crossing the land border from France into Spain: Obligation to carry either vaccination certificate, negative test result certificate or recovery certificate.
This is England only and not the UK. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have yet to decide on relaxing their restrictions.The UK has officially delayed full reopening to July 19th. Many cases of Delta.
This will negatively affect travel from and especially to the UK as quarantine measures are likely to remain in place.
I shall mention 45-cycle PCR testing only in passing.
Wales had already declared that they would delay reopening beyond June 21st.This is England only and not the UK. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have yet to decide on relaxing their restrictions.
Just to point out that under current restrictions, entry to the Republic of Ireland from Northern Ireland is not subject to quarantine as long as you have spent the previous 14 days in NI.... Please refer to https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ for adviceWales had already declared that they would delay reopening beyond June 21st.
Besides, this news concerns travel from and to the UK not local conditions -- though Northern Ireland should indeed be considered differently, from the possibility of entering the EU by land.
Good site.
I just couldn't live without checking. So here it is: Despacho n.º 6326-A/2021, published today in the Diário da República.I've not checked the official sources because my knowledge of Portuguese is just too limited
instead of publishing the new rules and then announcing that new rules have been published and everyone can read them, there‘s a somewhat unclear announcement for the news media that causes confusion. At the end of the day it transpired that the new decree will be published on Tuesday or Wednesday morning and will be applicable a few days later ... this Friday perhaps ...There is some confusion about travelling from the UK to Spain, with some reports referring to the Balearic islands only, others suggesting the new rules are for the whole of Spain..
The new Spanish decree, amending Orden INT/657/2020, was published this morning.the new decree will be published on Tuesday or Wednesday morning and will be applicable a few days later ... this Friday perhaps ...
That was news to me! Also news to me that there is rhyming slang elsewhere than in London ... thanks, @kirkie.your name is well known as a kind of shorthand for someone hard of hearing in my native surroundings
Yes, and upon a closer look at his avatar it is quite apparent and interesting to note.Dear @Corned Beef, I get lost with references to this, that and the next thing.I am much more taken by the fact that your name is well known as a kind of shorthand for someone hard of hearing in my native surroundings... end of distraction from the thread...
rhyming slang
Finally, I was wondering why the US was on the list and not Canada, considering that we have 13% more of our population vaccinated than the US. Not trying to be controversial but just looking at the numbers, it didn't make sense to me. Thanks for the good news! We are still encouraged not to do non-essential travel but I am assuming that will change soon.I too have seen that rumour that the UK and EU digital certificates will soon be inter-compatible.
As for pilgrims, both the US and Canada are now on the EU list of third countries from which restriction-free travel is permitted. Still, check rules for your country of destination, which may have particular rules different from that norm.
I sure hope so. Last night I found myself looking for a place in Logrono where I could get a PCR test before going home the end of November, just in case they are still demanded of fully vaccinated Canadians then.We are still encouraged not to do non-essential travel but I am assuming that will change soon.
There are a number of factors that determine whether a country is added or removed from the EU‘s recommended list of “safe” countries. Canada will be added to this list before this week is over.I was wondering why the US was on the list and not Canada
The current UK government view appears to be that the fully vaccinated might avoid quarantine from July 19th.Unsure yet what this might mean for quarantine rules.
Agreed; individual accommodation may be the best tactic. Heck, I'd take sleeping under a church porch over a closed albergue room with strangers right now. Hands down.If you are out there now: REFUSE to sleep in dorms with closed windows. Just. Don't. Ever.
If you are out there now: REFUSE to sleep in dorms with closed windows. Just. Don't. Ever.
It's assertive, but I wouldn't call it hostile, @Albertagirl.I really wonder how the hostility in this statement reflects consideration for my situation.
I'd be leaving quietly, while at the same time politely letting the hospi know why I'm leaving. Not informing people of risks that they may unknowingly be taking is not helpful, either.if you intend to stay in any albergue, should have a look in the dormitory and leave quietly if it is not set up to your satisfaction.
Yes. That cannot be denied.But serving in an albergue is frequently a struggle with those who cannot see anything but their own comfort
@Albertagirl, if that were to happen, the judgement would be seriously misplaced. There have been window wars in albergues forever, and they're massively exacerbated by covid. In those situations, neither the hospi nor the albergue can possibly be faulted. It's the people putting their wishes above communal safety who are responsible.thought of being judged because we have limited control over other people's behaviour
I quote:
@WHO now reports over 2 dozen countries with “near vertical” sharp rises in cases—mostly #DeltaVariant. Pandemic “Act 2” has
If you are out there now: REFUSE to sleep in dorms with closed windows. Just. Don't. Ever.
For tourists the date is Juli 21st.Additionally, the tests which have been free, shall cease to be so in September.
All noted. I got confused with what actual test is needed to return back into UK -England. Doubtless all will change by September and I will have got my PCR's untangled from my LFT's and not confused with my API's (advance passenger Information) and my SpTH QR code. Nurse, Meds please PDQ.Don Camillo, the Lateral Flow Test is not valid for travel. You need the other antigen test, which you cannot take yourself but you must go in to have done.
I have decided with all the constant changes that I won't even look at what I have to do until the beginning of September. I leave on the 20th...that will give me 3 weeks to do what needs to be done.All noted. I got confused with what actual test is needed to return back into UK -England. Doubtless all will change by September and I will have got my PCR's untangled from my LFT's and not confused with my API's (advance passenger Information) and my SpTH QR code. Nurse, Meds please PDQ.
Don
That's the best thing you can do.I have decided with all the constant changes that I won't even look at what I have to do until the beginning of September. I leave on the 20th...that will give me 3 weeks to do what needs to be done.
Leon would have to be in very bad shape indeed, and private accommodation not available, for me to deliberately skip it. It is my favourite city in Spain and I have spent a couple of days there every time I've been through.I was wondering if in Spain there is a talk about closing borders between regions? Especially between Leon and Galicia. Funny that walking in Spain now I know less about those lockdowns than before I started the Camino. I have a plan to go from Mansilla de las Mulas straight to Vilar de Mazarife because I would prefer not to enter Leon at this time. I have this detour on the Camino map I made for myself
http://tinyurl.com/happypilgrim
After I walk this shortcut I'll post my impressions about going that off Camino way if someone also would prefer to skip Leon.
There was a route posted here last year doing something similar, with some chatter about accommodation:I have a plan to go from Mansilla de las Mulas straight to Vilar de Mazarife because I would prefer not to enter Leon at this time. I have this detour on the Camino map I made for myself
Unfortunately, hospitaleros are not in total control of albergue dormitories. Anyone who wants to shut windows will do so. Anyone who wants to leave windows open so that he and his friends can go and get drunk and sneak in after curfew will do so. This happened the last time that I volunteered. The only possible way that I can think to keep the windows open in the dormitory where I shall be serving is to open them myself and to ensure that bunks are well away from the windows, as those in upper bunks next to the windows generally closed them. But if someone wants to pull a chair over to a window to shut it, I can see no way to prevent this from happening. I can put up signs noting that the windows are open for the sake of everyone's health. But serving in an albergue is frequently a struggle with those who cannot see anything but their own comfort. And I shall be there in late November, when it will be cold with the windows open. And of course common blankets to be loaned to pilgrims are no longer permitted. Two of us managing an albergue formerly served by four will do our best, but the thought of being judged because we have limited control over other people's behaviour in time of pandemic is very discouraging to me.
I am not at all sure that leaving the windows open is required by any public health order where I shall be volunteering in Spain. I am planning my own pilgrimage, prior to volunteering, and find that photos of albergues with one dormitory and many bunk beds packed together have led me to plan on booking private accommodation. Pilgrims like @JabbaPapa have been sleeping under a bridge near where I shall be volunteering, for lack of municipal albergues open. I have read on the forum of various regulations about distancing of beds, no common meals, hygiene requirements, etc. I am not a boss, only a servant. I shall do my best to enforce whatever regulations are in force when I am volunteering and to carry out such practices as open windows, for the sake of the health of the pilgrims who are our guests. But I cannot throw anyone out bodily, and everyone leaves in the morning anyway. I don't know whether this will be an ethical dilemna. As a visitor in Spain, I shall try to enforce the current regulations and to keep pilgrims safe in whatever way I can.There must be immediate consequences that can be enforced when such a violation occurs.
The realities in each individual Albergue over here really are not that black & white, as each region and each separate municipality has its own rules.I have already heard others descrbe problems in albergues regarding the lack of distancing in an albergue that was packed. If windows are not open, Albertagirl, with the Delta virus, it could result in someone’s death. Noone should be allowed to stay at any common room albergue and shut the window. This must be enforced or the albergue should close.
I was surprised to read @ivar's announcement yesterday: Starting July 20th it should (if things go as they say) be possible to buy antigen test at pharmacies in Galicia. No prescription needed. That sounds as if voluntary and spontaneous rapid self-testing is not as common in Spain as in other countries?It would be better to promote or prescribe more testing for pilgrims when checking into an albergue, especially for the non-vaccinated among them ...
Uh-huh.The most important thing to avoid is indoors close promiscuity
Difference between British and American English.Uh-huh.
I assume you mean proximity?
That sounds like quite a challenge. As I remember, when I walked the Madrid in 2019 it seemed to have the most and best distributed albergues of any camino that I had walked, except for the Frances.Fyi. Madrid route. No albergues so far have been opened. Madrid to Ane. As of Sat. July 17 2021.
You must be using a different dictionary.Difference between British and American English.
Not in my dictionary.Difference between British and American English.
I think it is a responsible approach to not go to the center of the 5th wave epicenter which unfortunately Leon is at that moment, just because I have "great memories" of it. I want to reduce the risk of carrying unconsciously a virus to albergues where I will stay tomorrow or later on the way to Santiago. As a vaccinated person I can carry virus without having symptoms. That's why in half an hour I am leaving Mansilla and walk directly to Villar de Mazarife. And there are more people here doing it.Leon would have to be in very bad shape indeed, and private accommodation not available, for me to deliberately skip it. It is my favourite city in Spain and I have spent a couple of days there every time I've been through.
Under the circumstances, that sounds wise.That's why in half an hour I am leaving Mansilla and walk directly to Villar de Mazarife
Is this not how cases are spread? That is, if you think that you can spread it.As a vaccinated person I can carry virus without having symptoms. That's why in half an hour I am leaving Mansilla and walk directly to Villar de Mazarife. And there are more people here doing it.
Well, yes. But there are fewer opportunities for close contact with others in the countryside as opposed to a biggish city like Leon, and a lower general infection rate as well. Fewer contacts and lower positivity rate equals less likelihood of getting and spreading the virus. So I'd choose to bypass Leon right now too.Is this not how cases are spread?
I have read narratives of pandemics, some fiction, some historical. It just struck me how people in a location which they understand is high risk have generally chosen to leave, often becoming a moving vector of infection, as they travel to areas thought to be safer. I am moving, mentally, into a nightmare world where I am unsure how someone can be safer in a pandemic without risking anyone else's precarious safety.Well, yes. But there are fewer opportunities for close contact with others in the countryside as opposed to a biggish city like Leon, and a lower general infection rate as well. Fewer contacts and lower positivity rate equals less likelihood of getting and spreading the virus. So I'd choose to bypass Leon right now too.
I'm just talking, though, without the data to prove it. So please take that as an opinion, @Albertagirl, rather than established fact.
Yes, it's a horrible dilemma. That's one reason to stay put. But we can't - nor should we - do that forever.I am moving, mentally, into a nightmare world where I am unsure how someone can be safer in a pandemic without risking anyone else's precarious safety.
Ahhh....no its not.Difference between British and American English.
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