BeatriceKarjalainen
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You have just made the perfect alberque.When I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
I agree with you on that as well but personality is harder to write about and how you are received by others you will never know before you are there. And starting an albergue with just personality will be hard, I may be able to keep a lot of people in my heart (some of them are lovely hostpitaliera/os) they might not be able to sleep in thereThe best hospitalera/o's are those who have patience, it allows something special to come together, and makes for the most memorable places to stay, Alejandro formerly of Bodeneya is an example.
I don't think it matters on location or facilities. If you want a really special albergue, thats the first foundation you should aim for.
Completely agree. It is very disappointing when everybody is looking at their screens in total disconnect with their surroundings. But an online computer with a printer/scanner/Copy in a corner would be perfect.Åh! @jozero and @alexwalker PERFECT!
But at the same time some might need to make reservations, book a flight and stuff like that. So a computer in a corner with access or access at the bar maybe. My self use wifi to upload photos and would miss that. But I do really miss to talk to people as I walk by my self 99,99 % of the time I some days only talked when ordering something in the bar/restaurant and when checked in at the albergue. I miss the conversations about the day.
Well my partner is software engineer and I'm a systems analyst and we have both been working as computer/system administrators so that would be the smallest problem for usMake sure to set-up that computer correctly, if not it will fill up with nasties (virus, worm, trojan) in no time ;-) SY
Me too. Luckly retired and walk when I want, as long as I wantWell my partner is software engineer and I'm a systems analyst
Maybe only have Wifi available for a couple of hours in the morning and afternoon and 1 hour in the evening.How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
The Albergue Ultreia in Castrojeriz has a dining room with a large wine press in it. At the communial dinner a lecture is given about it then the guests are invited to visit a tunnel under the house and street now used as a wine cellar but likely originally built for safety.You know what I would have loved - particularly in a small village - an Albergue that offered stories of the real people that live there...stories that you'd never find in a book or guide.
You know what I would have loved - particularly in a small village - an Albergue that offered stories of the real people that live there...stories that you'd never find in a book or guide. Can you imagine lodging outside Astorga when a elderly Margato walks in - sits down and tells you stories his grandfather told him about life in Spain and on the Camino 150yrs ago - or what it was like during the revolution - or how he made a living as a muleteer?
As I don't drink alcohol my self I might be a wine free albergue but a house with a story is welcomed.The Albergue Ultreia in Castrojeriz has a dining room with a large wine press in it. At the communial dinner a lecture is given about it then the guests are invited to visit a tunnel under the house and street now used as a wine cellar but likely originally built for safety.
Outlets in locker might be a fire security issue but a shelf for the devices in there might be enough.Maybe only have Wifi available for a couple of hours in the morning and afternoon and 1 hour in the evening.
An electrical outlet inside each locker.
A map on the wall showing local walks.
I'll open another albergue the other side of the street, then. Let's see who gets the most pilgrims...As I don't drink alcohol my self I might be a wine free albergue
They can always go to the bar or buy their wine in the store. I will not just serve wine with the food.I'll open another albergue the other side of the street, then. Let's see who gets the most pilgrims...
That would be something a crowdfunded albergue. Free stay for contributors.Sounds the perfect welcoming place for a weary traveller.
Lockers outside the sleeping area are a great idea as is grouping pilgrims by proposed departure times - early leavers closest to the exit.
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We may need look at crowdfunding your model!
How in the world did I miss that one? We stayed there too.The Albergue Ultreia in Castrojeriz has a dining room with a large wine press in it. At the communial dinner a lecture is given about it then the guests are invited to visit a tunnel under the house and street now used as a wine cellar but likely originally built for safety.
Red night lights yes please.A gripe I had was the automatic turning on of lights when someone went to use the toilet. There might be regulations on this but I would prefer having low power LED red lights on all night. There should be enough light for people to find the lightswitch to the overhead white lights if they find the need. By then the door would be shut and sleepers will not be awakened by the light rushing out the door to attack. Also, with use of only the low level red light the nighttime traveler will have a better chance to get back to sleep.
Like it! There were a lot of centrifuges in the beginning of Camino del Norte. They were great but I left them out from my list as I would have one more thing to maintain and I think drains, pipes, oven, stove, showers, toilets etc... would be enough for me to handleA centrifugora to help dry clothes faster.
Lots of room in the shower to hand and put your stuff down.
A foot bassin, with jets, to go with that salt, like the albergue in Fistera.
A breathaliser test to keep drunk pilgrims out at night.
Mini lockers of some sort for the refrigerator so morning thieves can't walk out with the food you had prepared for the next day.
Hammacks.
Easy access top bunks with partial railing.
Individual lights and charger in each bunk.
Locks for the lockers: magnetic card lock would be fine.
Easily washable blankets and towels. Towels. Did I say towels?
A house dog.
Good ideas let us add that to the list as well. I'm not so sure about a dog thou, most because my son is allergic to dogs and I'm a cat person but you have one in your albergueOh yes a house dog!!! And a little bench just outside the shower curtain plus a peg or two to hang a few items in the shower stall. I loved the kitchens at Rosalia in Castrojerez and Albergue Gaia in Mansilla de las Mulas. Plentyful items to use and share, everyone helped to restock (or at least the groups I ate with did!!) Chairs or benches outside the albergue entrances so if you are done walking for the day you can still sit outside and chat with other pilgrims or the locals walking by. Now I'm off to design my perfect albergue!!
I loved staying in Granon at Ernesto's Casa de las Sonrisas rather than the church. It reminded me of my hippy dippy college days in Boulder CO in the early '70s, even down to the soundtrack so I felt right at home.But I also loved Granon and Tosantos ...
@GreatDaneI loved staying in Granon at Ernesto's Casa de las Sonrisas rather than the church. It reminded me of my hippy dippy college days in Boulder CO in the early '70s, even down to the soundtrack so I felt right at home.
Yes I know but that doesn't help with me being a cat person. A dog will never be a cat ;-) We have hypoallergenic cats, Siberian so my son can live with them.Many hypoallergenic breeds: Wheatem Terriers, Portugese Water Dogs for example.
I stayed there late Sept 2014. No bedbugs and Ernesto was a gracious host to the large number of us (18 maybe??) that stayed there. He even offered to do our wash for free if we didn't mind it being mixed in with sheets and towels. Things may have changed since then because people are taking terrible advantage of donativo. Giving nothing. I gave what I would have spent at a private. Oh and the dinner was great and filling!@GreatDane
The night that I stayed at San Juan Bautista at Granon, two pilgrims decided that the place was getting crowded and headed for the Casa de las Sonrisas. They were back shortly thereafter, saying that the place was infested with bed bugs and the management seemed quite indifferent.
Yes I know but that doesn't help with me being a cat person. A dog will never be a cat ;-) We have hypoallergenic cats, Siberian so my son can live with them.
@GreatDane
The night that I stayed at San Juan Bautista at Granon, two pilgrims decided that the place was getting crowded and headed for the Casa de las Sonrisas. They were back shortly thereafter, saying that the place was infested with bed bugs and the management seemed quite indifferent.
These guys would love to cuddle and play:I would stay at the one across from you with the wine...but if you have cats that I can play with then that would win me over to your place
@SYatesI know Ernesto since many years, even before he opened his own refuge and I never found him indifferent to the need of any pilgrim. Buen Camino, SY
You know what I would have loved - particularly in a small village - an Albergue that offered stories of the real people that live there...stories that you'd never find in a book or guide. Can you imagine lodging outside Astorga when a elderly Margato walks in - sits down and tells you stories his grandfather told him about life in Spain and on the Camino 150yrs ago - or what it was like during the revolution - or how he made a living as a muleteer?
If you take reservations, sign me up.When I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
It's the Camino, so dinativo all the way. As I understand it donativo means freeAll these suggestions could be part of a comprehensive check-list for an albergue development chain. The only detail which has not been mentioned relates to the price range for an average pilgrim/night.
A wake up call like that experienced in Pequeno Potala in Ruitelan.
They can always go to the bar or buy their wine in the store. I will not just serve wine with the food.
I'm pretty keen on a roof, a hot shower and a clean bed. Everything else is a bonus.
Wheel chair access can always be fixed so we add wheel chair friendly to the list. They who do it that way are real heroes and deserve nice treatment in the albergues.Casa Ibarrola in Pamplona (a new albergue right on the camino after the entrance into the old city) had three things that I liked:
1) Cubbyholes for the bunks with a locker, light and curtains for each. Perhaps better for bedbug control.
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2) A private room with just an upper and lower bunk that was located closest to the albergue entrance.
3) An open bathroom with toilet, sink and shower designed for wheelchair bound pilgrims. This was located between the regular bathroom and the private room with wide lockable doors to each. This meant that wheelchairs would not be blocking access to the regular facilities nor bunks as they could be in their private room.
The old stone house that you want may not even allow wheelchair access at the entrance but if it did something like this setup would be nice. When not used for wheelchairs it is good for a private room and the attached bath could be configured to be a private bath or part of the regular baths.
Oh, yes, Casa Albergue Molino de Marzán supplied both a dog and a pair of cats.
As I don't drink alcohol my self I might be a wine free albergue but a house with a story is welcomed.
The bar is a place to meet locals and the grocery store is because I have a lot of allergies my self and know how hard it is to participate in communial meals as they tend to contain something I can't eat and than I like to do my own food. And as a hoapitaliera it would be lovely to be able to shop locally. Not being so dependent of environmetal unfriendly car travels. Otherwise I would have placed my dream place in the middle of nowhere with great views.I was taught that the hospitality industry was about looking after the customers/patrons ?????
Hospitality means , according to Macquarie , treating quests and /or strangers with generosity and kindness.
[My mother had 8 children , never drank but my dad always got his cold beer when he arrived home from work]
Knowing Alex Beatrice he would only set up an albergue where there was no store or bar and would welcome all with a cold drink , beer if requested , followed by "Grange" in a box at dinner.
It would be a hard act to beat.
Wheel chair access is only mandatory for commercial albergues (plus a whole lot of other building regulations!) Donativos normally are exempt from this, but it depends also on the local legislation. Obviously wheel chair accessibility is desirable in any albergue but the whole batch of building regulations and the like for commercial (aka albergues with a fixed price) albergues can cause a lot of headache to people thinking of opening one. Buen Albergue, SY
Thank you, I haven't stayed there yet but some day. I didn't see showers with soap dishes. Ukuleles and guitars in the living room. Maybe Wifi outside. Great list.... Ultreya........ Willy/Utah/USAWhen I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
Most of the things on your list are also on mine BeatriceWhen I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
When I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
When I was walking I was compiling a list of how my own albergue would look like.
- In a minor village with at least one bar/restaurant and grocery store and an open church.
- Somewhere in the middle of the route.
- In an old stone house.
- 10-16 beds some extra spaces for mattresses on the floor if needed. Preferable 4-6 beds per room.
- A welcoming entrance with places to sit down/leave the bag while you are checked in. Offering something cold to drink when they arrive ice tea, lemonade, water...
- A beautiful stamp.
- A garden with fruits, shade and sun beds, bins and salt for foot bath.
- Area for washing and hanging clothes both in the sun and under a roof.
- A kitchen but also offering community meals (with options for vegan/gluten free/lactose free).
- A big living room with sofas and tables and a fireplace. A bookshelf with books about the camino and other related things in multiple languages.
- Electrical outlets by the beds but just a few in the living room, encouraging people to rather talk than sitting with their noses in their phones.
- Lockers for the bags not in the sleeping room, then people have to get out of the dorm to pack their things.
- Shoe driers.
- Soap so you can wash your hands after being to the toilet.
- Good showers.
- Hangers on the bedside for clothes.
- I would love to say that I want to offering wifi but I'm also so tired of others sitting with their noses in their phones. I want pilgrims to talk to each other. Maybe a a SSID/password with a name the indicates that
- I'll ask people as they arrive what time they will get up and try to put people with the same morning schedule together if possible. But if will of course not be possible all the time.
- Closing at 21, quiet at 22.
How would your albergue look like? Any comments on mine?
Now I just have to find the money, the place and convince the whole family that we should move to Spain.
Oh you are doing it! For me it will just be a dream, something to think about when walking thou. But if I do the Francés again or any other route coming out before your place I'l stop and say hi.Beatrice
I had the same feelings after walking the caminio.
Bought the house and grounds - that was the easy bit,
Got the planning permission - a bit more complicated !!
Now on the slow process of renovating - thats the hard bit.
Blood sweat and tears !!! believe me its not easy, but dont be put off.
Who knows one day this place may be finished
No closed doors anyone can stop by and help !!!
The village has one bar, the people are open but unfortuneatly the church is kept closed
as is the case in many small villages and its directly on the Camino
(you can reach out of the bedroom window and shake the hands of passing pilgrims)
Its not easy and there are rules and regulations to consider but as they say here "piano piano"
For friends and family I update the small website with progress pictures
a few new pics are due after this weeks efforts.
www.freebird-castaneda.com
I wish you the best of luck in realising your dream -
Think of this as an Albergue owner
Let no one ever come to you without leaving better and happier
Be the living expression of Gods kindness
Kindness in your face
Kindness in your eyes
Kindness in your smile
(Mother Teresa)
I have this tattoed on my chest since my last Camino and try every day to make sure Pilgrims leave Casteneda
with smile !!!
Shaun
https://mail-attachment.googleuserc...L50YCMoVwaOjGQvafYfoptnvxBPOmcj-ZGSiCNVBuFIya
(It's safe to open it, don't worry!!!)
I am pretty sure that link will only work for you and if you are logged into your Gmail account ;-) Buen Camino, SY
You can make a shared link from Google Drive?
Thank you for info. I think it would be best to simply delete the post then because I have no idea whatsoever of a different way to post it
Ah, I already deleted it. It was just a funny video clip about using smartphones and being on-line all the time. NevermindYou can make a shared link from Google Drive?
There is an open church in the villageMaybe a quiet room for prayer?
Just a thought, not a statement.
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