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Two per dayI’m just a bit confused, can someone help?
How many stamps do I need from Sarria onwards which is where I am now, if I started in sjpdp?
Two per day or just the one ?
Regards
YesEven if I started in st Jean Pied de Port ?
Well, several pilgrims are wrong.Oh, several pilgrims said you needed to per day if you started from Sierra but only one per day if you start from Saint Jean Pied de port
What's confusing? It says two stamps per day are required for the final 100 km.It reads like on mine thus the confusion last 100km...
I just had a friend walk the Camino from St Jean Pied de Port. She got only one stamp a day. When she got to the Compostela Office they refused her the Compostela cause she didn't have two stamps starting at SarriaIt reads like on mine thus the confusion last 100km...
Having a rest day whilst wife flys inI just had a friend walk the Camino from St Jean Pied de Port. She got only one stamp a day. When she got to the Compostela Office they refused her the Compostela cause she didn't have two stamps starting at Sarria
Because her other companions did in her group, they made an exception. However, they did not after to do so.
Two stamps after Sarria is the rule
Are you walking now? Did you not get the stamps?
If you haven't walked yet, it is not a problem. It is easy to get stamps at churches, restaurants, bars, Albergues, hotels,
Maybe on the Frances.It is easy to get stamps at churches, restaurants, bars, Albergues, hotels,
I am sure. But person was referring to after Sarria into SantiagoMaybe on the Frances.
Not on the Invierno, I assure you.
Oh, yes...sorry, you're right @Nana6 .But person was referring to after Sarria into Santiago
I think you ate awesome doing the North route. Maybe someday.Oh, yes...sorry, you're right @Nana6 .
Thanks for clarifying lolI'm less ambitious than that: it's the Invierno.
Buen Camino!!Having a rest day whilst wife flys in
The rule is two per day for the last 100 km (or 200 km if you are riding a bike or horse), no matter where you start your camino. As with all rules enforced by humans, enforcement of the rule is not consistent. So plenty of people have brought in credencials that don't necessarily meet the rules and the volunteers at the counter may look at them and how far they walked and perhaps the line up behind them and not checked the credencials meticulously against the rules. Whether you want to count on that happening for you is, of course, up to you.Oh, several pilgrims said you needed to per day if you started from Sierra but only one per day if you start from Saint Jean Pied de port so that’s why I’m confused
Depending on when you leave, getting one café con leche can be a challenge (Not drinking them too late; liking my sleep...)Getting two cafe-con-leches per day is a challenge never mind two sellos
To clarify, the 100 km distance applies to walkers and horse riders. Bicycle riders need to do 200 km. The 'rules' are here.The rule is two per day for the last 100 km (or 200 km if you are riding a bike or horse), no matter where you start your camino.
Given that there is probably someone who will stamp your Credencial at roughly 500 mtr intervals along most of the final 100k two stamps per day isn't that much of a challenge. I remember one year trying hard to collect stamps that didn't mention the Camino - Correos, Ferreterias, Guardia Civil Barracks and Banks are quite good for connoisseurs of the arcane, but everyone else seems to have "camino" somewhere in the print.
Have sympathy for our good sister @VNwalking out there in the badlands of the Invierno. Getting two cafe-con-leches per day is a challenge never mind two sellos.
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VNwalking , is an inspiration!!!
Rereading what you wrote, you are correct up to a point. Between SJPdP and Sarria it is true that you only need one sello a day, this would count for a distance certificate. Between Sarria and SdC you must have two sellos a day to qualify for the Compostela. In other words, walk SJPdP to Sarria getting at least one sello a day, but when you reach Sarria you must get 2 a day from there on.Oh, several pilgrims said you needed to per day if you started from Sierra but only one per day if you start from Saint Jean Pied de port so that’s why I’m confused
Awww, thanks for the thought, Tinca!
Depending on when you leave, getting one café con leche can be a challenge (Not drinking them too late; liking my sleep...)
Can you tell me where you've seen it stated that between SJPP and Sarria you only need one stamp per day? All of my credentials state - on each page - "at least two per day" (italics are mine, bold font is theirs).Rereading what you wrote, you are correct up to a point. Between SJPdP and Sarria it is true that you only need one sello a day, this would count for a distance certificate. Between Sarria and SdC you must have two sellos a day to qualify for the Compostela. In other words, walk SJPdP to Sarria getting at least one sello a day, but when you reach Sarria you must get 2 a day from there on.
Only two per day on the last 100km, immaterial where you startEven if I started in st Jean Pied de Port ?
Myself and my partner completed the VDLP and Via Augusta totalling over 1200kms. The queue was two hours long to get the Compostela ( no matter what time of day!) We both decided that queuing two hours was a waste of time and that we didn’t need a piece of paper to tell us that we had walked this distance !!!I’m just a bit confused, can someone help?
How many stamps do I need from Sarria onwards which is where I am now, if I started in sjpdp?
Two per day or just the one ?
Regards
Agree!Myself and my partner completed the VDLP and Via Augusta totalling over 1200kms. The queue was two hours long to get the Compostela ( no matter what time of day!) We both decided that queuing two hours was a waste of time and that we didn’t need a piece of paper to tell us that we had walked this distance !!!
Jeff, you have an excellent point and to address that I would defer to our member expert @t2andreo. My reply was intended to address the concerns and confusion of the OP who wondered if he needed 2 sellos a day after Sarria even though he had 1 a day since starting in SJPdP. I see that the Credencialles that I have are like your's.Can you tell me where you've seen it stated that between SJPP and Sarria you only need one stamp per day? All of my credentials state - on each page - "at least two per day" (italics are mine, bold font is theirs).
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Why not just cut out the confusion and, like the credential says, get at least two stamps a day? Granted that on some of the caminos this might be hard but on the CF, which is what we're discussing, it's a piece of cakeJeff, you have an excellent point and to address that I would defer to our member expert @t2andreo. My reply was intended to address the concerns and confusion of the OP who wondered if he needed 2 sellos a day after Sarria even though he had 1 a day since starting in SJPdP. I see that the Credencialles that I have are like your's.
The sellos before Sarria serve to "admit" one to pilgrim accommodations, after Sarria the sellos not only admit one to pilgrim accommodations but document one's eligibility for a Compostela.
Does it say anything about the final 100 km before Santiago above what you have shown us?Can you tell me where you've seen it stated that between SJPP and Sarria you only need one stamp per day? All of my credentials state - on each page - "at least two per day" (italics are mine, bold font is theirs).
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@Cookiedave , you were just given good information. The most important thing to remember is 2 per day last 100 K. Best to not ask too many questions or some of us, me included, will wear out our welcome with @t2andreo. With that, we leave you to digest the information..I have just spoken to the man running hostel and person running church in portomarin and they both say if u start in Sarria u need 2 per day... if u start from st Jean pied de Port only one per day...
On the back on my passport 2 per last 100km ...
thus my question
Sure thing, opposite the page where you put your name etc. it says:Does it say anything about the final 100 km before Santiago above what you have shown us?
My favourite is from 2016: 3m/10ft long between Pamplona and SdC. I was walking with a friend, we had a competition, she wonJeff, your point about original sources of information is well taken. Without doing some research I would have to say that right now I take the one-a-day-before-Sarria as a custon passed along, again for the purpose of admittance to a pilgrim albergue. From what I read on the Pilgrim Office site, one a day before Sarria is not specifically stated.
Have you always gotten two sellos a day anywhere along any of the caminos? You must have a wonderful collection of Credenciales!
It is getting hot here in Texas, I shall serve you some ice cream to go with your cake.
@Jeff Crawley and @t2andreo are volunteers from the pilgrims office in Santiago. When they say it’s two stamps for everyone from Sarria onwards then it‘s two stamps from Sarria onwards for EVERYONE who wants a Compostela.I have just spoken to the man running hostel and person running church in portomarin and they both say if u start in Sarria u need 2 per day... if u start from st Jean pied de Port only one per day...
Who decided that's the place? Because the 100km mojon is actually near Diamondi...many kms past Monforte.Monforte de Lemos on the Invierno
@Cookiedave , you were just given good information. The most important thing to remember is 2 per day last 100 K. Best to not ask too many questions or some of us, me included, will wear out our welcome with @t2andreo. With that, we leave you to digest the information..
So you have to get two stamps per day after 130 or so (or 110 fr Sarria)? Sorry, I know you don't make the rules, @t2andreo, but that doesn't make any sense.
My favourite is from 2016: 3m/10ft long between Pamplona and SdC. I was walking with a friend, we had a competition, she won
I sense your frustration and understand that. I previously posted a link to the Pilgrim Office page ( it can be found here) which is the source so far as I am concerned. I always prefer to note that this Pilgrim Office page is silent on how many stamps are needed before the final 'qualifying' leg.No one ever wears out my welcome. I just get frustrated and tried 'herding cats.' This is one of the eternal issues that always comes up, every years, like dandelion flowers...weeds.
It is one sello daily UNTIL you reach the 100 km marking point on a given recognized route. After that, TWO ARE REQUIRED PER DAY...
PERIOD!
That wasn't a very long bow!! About eight minutes by my reckoning!!I'll bow out of this discussion now
To clarify, the 100 km distance applies to walkers and horse riders. Bicycle riders need to do 200 km. The 'rules' are here.
Well said. May I just check that the Pilgrim Office should not really be interested in the number and frequency of sellos before the 100/200km mark unless a distance certificate is requested. Albergues, yes: Pilgrim Office, no?Since the original question of the OP has been answered multiple times in multiple ways and there have been a few mis interpretations of posters, would a moderator please close this thread. The topic has been sufficiently beaten!
I believe that you are correct, though I am not the authority, just a logical thinking person.Well said. May I just check that the Pilgrim Office should not really be interested in the number and frequency of sellos before the 100/200km mark unless a distance certificate is requested. Albergues, yes: Pilgrim Office, no?
Warm Regards, A (possibly mistaken) Pedant.
I have just spoken to the man running hostel and person running church in portomarin and they both say if u start in Sarria u need 2 per day... if u start from st Jean pied de Port only one per day...
On the back on my passport 2 per last 100km ...
thus my question
Well said. May I just check that the Pilgrim Office should not really be interested in the number and frequency of sellos before the 100/200km mark unless a distance certificate is requested. Albergues, yes: Pilgrim Office, no?
Warm Regards, A (possibly mistaken) Pedant.
Thanks for the form @t2andreoPlease just adapt to the reality and go with the flow. While I respect honest debate and differences in opinion. This is really settled 'law.' It is not going to change anything soon, at least insofar as I know.
Having contrary opinions on this particular issue is not helpful to the newbies who rely on us for guidance and advice. I prefer to opt on the side of telling people to bring two credentials if they plan to collect a lot of sellos.
Personally, I always start my Caminos with an APOC issued (USA), laser-printed credencial. These are among the most stingy in terms of space for sellos. They are in fact designed for one stamp daily and then two after Sarria. Don't believe me, count the spaces. There are just enough for a 40 day Camino including two daily from Sarria.
To overcome this, I developed a document that I converted to .pdf that prints to a 'form' that can be trimmed and pasted, or taped into a credential to extend the number of pages. I usually bring one or two of these extra pages with me on Camino.
I am attaching it here for your use.
Hope this helps.
I believe there is a third, a document of welcome. For this document there are no particular requirements except having made your way (however you want to) to Santiago de Compostela.As I understand, the Pilgrim Office issues two "papers" if pilgrims request (apply). One is "Compostela" and the other one is "certificate of distance".
To qualify for the Compostela, a pilgrim must have walked the last 100 km, either starting from Sarnia or Tui, or somewhere else. To "testify" the pilgrim has walked the last 100 km, he/she must have two stamps (sellos) a day. This paper (Compostela) is free of charge.
A pilgrim can also request a "certificate of distance" walked. I believe the Pilgrim Office takes note on the starting point. If one starts at Porto and takes the Central route, the distance would be 240 km. One needs to pay for a fee, 3 euros (5/2019).
Who cares where it is!!!!!!! People will tell you Sarria so you don’t screw up and start getting 2 stamps later on. Just get them starting there 2tAndreo is right. We hear this all the time. I don’t get why this is so difficult a concept to grasp and what the big deal is.Who decided that's the place? Because the 100km mojon is actually near Diamondi...many kms past Monforte.
I agree, I always buy two passports. It just makes things easier. There are so many ways to get them it is so easyPlease just adapt to the reality and go with the flow. While I respect honest debate and differences in opinion. This is really settled 'law.' It is not going to change anything soon, at least insofar as I know.
Having contrary opinions on this particular issue is not helpful to the newbies who rely on us for guidance and advice. I prefer to opt on the side of telling people to bring two credentials if they plan to collect a lot of sellos.
Personally, I always start my Caminos with an APOC issued (USA), laser-printed credencial. These are among the most stingy in terms of space for sellos. They are in fact designed for one stamp daily and then two after Sarria. Don't believe me, count the spaces. There are just enough for a 40 day Camino including two daily from Sarria.
To overcome this, I developed a document that I converted to .pdf that prints to a 'form' that can be trimmed and pasted, or taped into a credential to extend the number of pages. I usually bring one or two of these extra pages with me on Camino.
I am attaching it here for your use.
Hope this helps.
Who cares where it is!!!!!!! People will tell you Sarria so you don’t screw up and start getting 2 stamps later on. Just get them starting there 2tAndreo is right. We hear this all the time. I don’t get why this is so difficult a concept to grasp and what the big deal is.
Please just adapt to the reality and go with the flow. While I respect honest debate and differences in opinion. This is really settled 'law.' It is not going to change anything soon, at least insofar as I know.
Once again it is not rocket science. Get 2 a day starting in Sarria. Or you know what? Just look for the 100k Marker and walk back until you get to the first location that can give you a stamp!! PLEASE MODERATOR CLOSE THIS THREAD. THE ANSWER HAS BEEN REPEATED AS NAUSEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I agree with that, but I have to confirm that there is a confusing divergence between documents, which needs to be clarified by the competent authority.
If I am not wrong, I think t2andreo collaborates at the Pilgrim Office. I am at the other end, giving credenciales in AACS-Valencia.
The credencial from the "Federación de AACS" (we extend only in Valencia more than 7.500 by year) clearly says (in Spanish): "If you only walk the last 100 km you must stamp twice a day". As I know the problem I inform pilgrims they must do it if they start in Sarria, or equivalent, and strongly recommend to do it for longer trips.
The credencial from the catedral clearly says "two by day", without specifying that it is only at the end.
Can I suggest that people in contact with the authority promotes one single information in all documents?
I join a foto of a Federeación's credencial and one from the Catedral's credencial.
I agree with that, but I have to confirm that there is a confusing divergence between documents, which needs to be clarified by the competent authority.
If I am not wrong, I think t2andreo collaborates at the Pilgrim Office. I am at the other end, giving credenciales in AACS-Valencia.
The credencial from the "Federación de AACS" (we extend only in Valencia more than 7.500 by year) clearly says (in Spanish): "If you only walk the last 100 km you must stamp twice a day". As I know the problem I inform pilgrims they must do it if they start in Sarria, or equivalent, and strongly recommend to do it for longer trips.
The credencial from the catedral clearly says "two by day", without specifying that it is only at the end.
Can I suggest that people in contact with the authority promotes one single information in all documents?
I join a foto of a Federeación's credencial and one from the Catedral's credencial.
I’m just a bit confused, can someone help?
How many stamps do I need from Sarria onwards which is where I am now, if I started in sjpdp?
Two per day or just the one ?
Regards
I don’t get why this is so difficult a concept to grasp and what the big deal is.
Living in Mexico and seeing how translations are done you have to give very, very wide latitude to them. To say the least.The language in the Federation de AACS is technically incorrect, or at least misleading. I would recommend replacing the words... "If you only walk the last 100 km, you must..." With "...Beginning with the final 100 km before Santiago, you must..." IMHO, that is clearer. But I do not know how it works in Spanish.
Hope this helps.
Why have a rule if it's applied capriciously?(Actually I got about 14 stamps -- but was still refused the certificate of distance, as it wasn't considered a proper 'peregrination' to do it in one day!)
Why have a rule if it's applied capriciously?
You flowed the rules, and here's nothing in there about pace, proper or not.
Not fair.
Take it from me, it is easier to accept and go with the flow than it is to argue minutiae.
Thus, the Catholic officials in Spain get to set their rules, for their Camino, on their territory. What is so difficult with this simple and logical concept?
@Turga, I can assure you from personal experience that these rules, set by this authority, are of minuscule importance to humanity at large and of no importance whatsoever for any pilgrim who is not keen on a Compostela. They concern only those who want something from the authority, namely a pretty looking piece of paper in Latin. They want to please you, not rule you, and I see nothing wrong with setting some seemingly arbitrary rules, the main purpose of which is to make the whole process still manageable and personal in view of the ever increasing number of Compostela recipients. You have a lot more personal freedom than you may thinkThank God not everybody chooses the easy way to go with the flow and accept what may be wrong and illogical, but dare to question and debate.
Luckily, history shows that humanity in general is not so naïve and narrow-minded as to blindly accept rules set by some authority, be it worldly or clerical, if these rules do not stand the test of time.
Ultimately, the Catholic Church in Spain isn't setting any rules for the Camino. One can still complete the Camino however one wants. What they are setting rules for is the giving out of the Compostela. They can do that because they are the ones giving it. In theory, if someone doesn't like the Church rules for this they are free to set up shop in Santiago (or partner with someone already there) and give out their own certificates based on whatever rules make more sense to them. Who knows, if their rules make so much more sense, maybe pilgrims will stop seeking the Church's certificate and pursue the new one instead. But for now, with regards to the Compostela, it is the Church gifting us with the paper and they get to choose to whom they will offer the gift.Hey, whoever said that rules had to make sense? You must consider that this is the Catholic Church we are talking about. They have thousands of rules. Not all of them make sense to everyone.
I've lived under this system of "rules" for 66 years now. After a few decades, you just roll with it. Take it from me, it is easier to accept and go with the flow than it is to argue minutiae.
Then, you need to consider that this is Spain. The Camino is their cultural patrimony, history and long standing tradition. The routes are mostly in their country. In any event, most Camino routes culminate in Spain. This is simply because the object, the goal of the original Camino de Santiago, is there.
Thus, the Catholic officials in Spain get to set their rules, for their Camino, on their territory. What is so difficult with this simple and logical concept?
One might as well argue about the sun rising in the east and setting in the west.
I suggest that we all return to the instant concern of enjoying the journey as we saunter along our life's camino.
Hope this helps the dialog.
@Turga, I can assure you from personal experience that these rules, set by this authority, are of minuscule importance to humanity at large and of no importance whatsoever for any pilgrim who is not keen on a Compostela. They concern only those who want something from the authority, namely a pretty looking piece of paper in Latin. They want to please you, not rule you, and I see nothing wrong with setting some seemingly arbitrary rules, the main purpose of which is to make the whole process still manageable and personal in view of the ever increasing number of Compostela recipients. You have a lot more personal freedom than you may think, and for the absolute majority of Compostela holders, following these rules (two stamps per day during a roughly 100 km stretch until Santiago) is no trouble.
In all fairness, @t2andreo resorted to his categorical statement because one poster insisted on saying that some pilgrims told him something else, and a man running a church in Portomarin said the same thing, and also a hospitalero. It put me in a forgiving mood.In my book, you shouldn’t just accept things that you think are wrong or that you think could be improved, you should question and debate them. You may have to tolerate them, but that’s another matter.
Ivar sells the credential designed and issued on behalf of the Cabildo of the Santiago Cathedral themselves. However ...(From the credentials Ivar sells)
As to the pillars of democracy and institutions and societies: I increasingly feel that citizens have a duty to inform themselves carefully and check the reliability of their information sources, and they have the means to do so.
I discovered to my horror today that some say 100 nautical miles while others say (and write) that 90 nautical miles are required plus the last very short bit on foot. A potential new issue for debate! In any case, it has nothing to do with Ireland. Which is perhaps obvious because first of all, the majority of those who walk some 25 km in Ireland and then the Camino Ingles to Santiago in Spain travel by plane and not by boat, and secondly, the distance from the shores of Ireland to the shores of Galicia is more than 100 nautical miles. I'm sure someone can tell us how much it is.having traveled at least the last 100 kilometers on foot or 200 kilometers by bicycle, and 100 nautical miles, walking the rest of the Camino from the port of landing. (NOTE: This last bit about boats (nautical), is where the Irish Camino has been formally accepted. You walk about 30 km in Ireland, documenting same in your credencial using sellos / stamps, then travel by boat to the coast of Spain. From there, you walk direct to Santiago. If the total distance walked in Ireland plus Spain, adds to 100 km or more, plus the boat trip from Ireland to Spain, you qualify for a Compostela.
Not in the immediate future - with my current state of health/fitness I'd never make it to the Santa Clara convent at the end of the day!Ivar sells the credential designed and issued on behalf of the Cabildo of the Santiago Cathedral themselves. However ...
@Jeff Crawley: Will you be doing another stint as a volunteer at the pilgrims office? If yes, may I suggest that you do a comprehensive study of what it says and doesn't say about the number of stamps on the many other credentials that are recognised by the Cabildo and are not issued by them but by one of the many pilgrims associations? You may be a little surprised. And these differences between Cabildo approved post-2016 (or so) credentials is of course partly the reason for this whole palaver.
There was no irony. Are you not aware of it? You can do the pilgrimage a pie (on foot), en bicicleta (bicycle), a caballo (horseback), a vela (sailing) - see the first page of the current credential as sold in the forum shop and two links to more information, including references that all this has been agreed with the Cathedral. Disembarkation ports are for example Portosin/Noia, Cabo da Cruz and Muros. There are several sailing routes, starting in a coastal port either to the south or to the east of Santiago. "A vela" is a category in the monthly statistics of the Santiago pilgrims office with entries of the number of pilgrims registered since 2016. Debes sellar tu Credencial del Peregrino en todos los puertos de la ruta escogida - you must get stamps for your Pilgrim Credential in all the ports of the chosen route.I appreciate the irony. However, the usual / traditional place of disembarkation and finishing the Celtic (Irish) Camino is from a Coruña.
I very much doubt that there is anything much historical behind these modern sailing routes that have been recognised by the Cabildo of the Cathedral as valid for obtaining a Compostela or other certificates. It's just an agreement they made and it responds to the contemporary environment.the historical routes behind it
Getting a Compostela for 25 km walked and somehow certified in one's home country plus 75 km from Coruña to Santiago is available for anyone from any country as far as I understand it. Today's pilgrims are, after all, not reenactors of medieval pilgrims but walk a contemporary foot pilgrimage. I guess the Irish pilgrims association is just better than others at marketing this fairly new option.All said, I do not envision others coming out of the proverbial woodwork and lobbying for their special Camino, UNLESS and UNTIL a long historic route is identified, researched and documented. This is what happened in the case of the Celtic Camino.
That is very kind of you and much appreciated. However, I think this thread shows that there is room for improvement of the direct information flow from the Cabildo to the global pilgrims community, both through their website and through pilgrim associations. Although: the associations seem to guard their information and share it mainly with their members when asked.I dunno about this... That is why it requires more investigation and research.
I shall be interested in the official answer. If I get one, I will try to remember to report back here...or in another thread I would post.
I am sorry to hear this. I hope your health status improves and as to the fitness status: keep working on it.Not in the immediate future - with my current state of health/fitness I'd never make it to the Santa Clara convent at the end of the day!
Thank you kindly, that's much appreciated.I am sorry to hear this. I hope your health status improves and as to the fitness status: keep working on it.
Just noticed in the chapter about the contemporary revival of the pilgrimage to Santiago that, in 1965, one could get a passage by boat from Liverpool or Southhampton (both ports in the UK) to Coruña or Vigo, and that was the cheapest way to get to Santiago or back from Santiago in those days. Today such regular ship lines for passengers don't exist anymore. It is actually quite difficult to find any ship or boat that will take a passenger who wants to travel from/to Galicia and the UK or Ireland or other countries to the north of Galicia.Bernadette Cunningham wrote an interesting book
I read up a bit on the website provided by the link. So, in fact, there is no such thing as a "Celtic Camino" in the historical sense as there is a "Camino Frances" or a "Camino Ingles" or a "voie de Tours".This Celtic Camino is based on long tradition for the Irish pilgrims.
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