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2022 Camino Frances
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1. How was it walking 30 KM to Alverca do Ribatejo? It looks flat so I may be able to do it in 10 to 12 hours.
ThanksI don’t know if the Wise Pilgrim app reflects the newly opened river walk that makes for a big change in the route out of Lisbon. And I think the Brierley guide is out of date, too. According to Gronze, the stage from Lisbon cathedral to Alverca is now under 25 km. See the newly rerouted map here. I walked from Lisbon about 20 years ago, so I can’t even begin to contemplate the changes, but I would give the river walk a try. This is not a spectacular bit of Portugal, but the towns are enjoyable, the people are great, and the food is really a notch above (and cheaper than) your typical Spanish menú del peregrino.
Hello Pilgrim - I am on the same boat as you, I walked CF in September 2022 at 72 yrs, and now I am about to do the Portuguese from Lisbon this coming April using the Wise Pilgrim guide. I walk regularly but yes, I am bracing myself for those long distances. Regarding your first question: I was planning to walk up to to Povoa de Santa Iria - 26.2 km, which the map indicates there are accommodations however the pages describing Povoa de Santa Iria do not list any albergues/hostels or any other accommodations. So, I may have to cut that day short and stay in Alpriate 1.5 km earlier @Albergue de Peregrinos de Alpriate (+351 915 595 213) I hope this helps. Buen CaminoI plan to walk the Camino Portuguese in Sept 2024, from Lisbon to Santiago. I am using John Brierley's guide to plan my pilgrimage. His first seven stages are over 30 KM each. I am over 73 and have completed the French Way and thru hiked the AT. I usually start my walks with a short day, so I hope to walk from the Lisbon Cathedral Se to Oriente, about 10 KM, the first day. My questions are:
1. How was it walking 30 KM to Alverca do Ribatejo? It looks flat so I may be able to do it in 10 to 12 hours.
2. If I stay in Oriente/Moscavide, is the Pousaada de Juventude a good place to stay or would I be too old? I have no problems with staying in Albergues but this is more of a general youth hostel.
3. Is there any other accommodations in Oriente/Moscavide that you can recommend?
4. Or is taking the train from Oriente to Alverca do Ribatejo just the best alternative? This is suggested by the Wise Pilgrim app.
Any insights you can give me are greatly appreciated. Buen Camino!
You won't be able to stay in Alpriate because that albergue closed, and the new route out of Lisbon no longer goes through Alpriate.So, I may have to cut that day short and stay in Alpriate 1.5 km earlier @Albergue de Peregrinos de Alpriate (+351 915 595 213) I hope this helps.
As I mentioned in the post above, the Buen Camino app shows the new route.
Thank you very much! I appreciate the heads upYou won't be able to stay in Alpriate because that albergue closed, and the new route out of Lisbon no longer goes through Alpriate.
The route is now a bit shorter, and you can reach Alverca where there are several places to stay in 24.8 km.
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The new distances are on Gronze
Lisboa - Vila Franca de Xira | Camino Portugués Central | Gronze.com
Las flechas amarillas arrancan en la puerta de la Sé-catedral de Lisboa. Desde allí atravesaremos el popular barrio de la Alfama y después el moderno Parque das Nações, construido para la Expo Internacional de 1998. Tras pasar bajo el puente Vasco da Gama seguiremos el margen del río Tejo –el...www.gronze.com
The Loures Ribeirinho Route is one of the most symbolically important public space works in the Lisbon metropolitan area , highlighting a better interconnected territory. For the first time, Loures turns towards the river . And, for the first time, there is a pedestrian and cycling connection – pleasant and safe – between Lisbon, Loures and Vila Franca de Xira .
Thank you, I agree to both your pounts Brierley is out of date and the Wise guide (cannot speak about the app yet) maps show accommodations but the page for that town does not have anything in those towns. So I am now resorting to Gronze. Thank you bothI don’t know if the Wise Pilgrim app reflects the newly opened river walk that makes for a big change in the route out of Lisbon. And I think the Brierley guide is out of date, too. According to Gronze, the stage from Lisbon cathedral to Alverca is now under 25 km. See the newly rerouted map here. I walked from Lisbon about 20 years ago, so I can’t even begin to contemplate the changes, but I would give the river walk a try. This is not a spectacular bit of Portugal, but the towns are enjoyable, the people are great, and the food is really a notch above (and cheaper than) your typical Spanish menú del peregrino.
Yes, I will use Buen Camino. Thank youAs I mentioned in the post above, the Buen Camino app shows the new route.
This is great!!! I appreciate the helpCamino Ninja also does not show the new route.
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But the Buen Camino app shows the old route (in gold) and the new route (in blue)
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There's video tutorial that's helpful too.I just downloaded Buen Camino and like the way the app operates. Thanks for the tips.
Peregrina...thanks for posting that link to Gronze!I don’t know if the Wise Pilgrim app reflects the newly opened river walk that makes for a big change in the route out of Lisbon. And I think the Brierley guide is out of date, too. According to Gronze, the stage from Lisbon cathedral to Alverca is now under 25 km. See the newly rerouted map here. I walked from Lisbon about 20 years ago, so I can’t even begin to contemplate the changes, but I would give the river walk a try. This is not a spectacular bit of Portugal, but the towns are enjoyable, the people are great, and the food is really a notch above (and cheaper than) your typical Spanish menú del peregrino.
I have the 2024 John Brierley and Gemma Brierley Guide which is completely up to date and showing the new shorter route along the board walk along the Tego, shortens the stage to Alverca by 7.8 km. Of course it also shows the original longer route. I will starting on the 1 May this year.Thank you, I agree to both your pounts Brierley is out of date and the Wise guide (cannot speak about the app yet) maps show accommodations but the page for that town does not have anything in those towns. So I am now resorting to Gronze. Thank you both
I walked from Lisbon when I was 76. I was fortunate that the Alpriate albergue had just opened so it was not necessary to walk 30 klms on the first day. However, there were later a number of days when I was forced to walk 30klms because of the lack of accommodation on those legs.I plan to walk the Camino Portuguese in Sept 2024, from Lisbon to Santiago. I am using John Brierley's guide to plan my pilgrimage. His first seven stages are over 30 KM each. I am over 73 and have completed the French Way and thru hiked the AT. I usually start my walks with a short day, so I hope to walk from the Lisbon Cathedral Se to Oriente, about 10 KM, the first day. My questions are:
1. How was it walking 30 KM to Alverca do Ribatejo? It looks flat so I may be able to do it in 10 to 12 hours.
2. If I stay in Oriente/Moscavide, is the Pousaada de Juventude a good place to stay or would I be too old? I have no problems with staying in Albergues but this is more of a general youth hostel.
3. Is there any other accommodations in Oriente/Moscavide that you can recommend?
4. Or is taking the train from Oriente to Alverca do Ribatejo just the best alternative? This is suggested by the Wise Pilgrim app.
Any insights you can give me are greatly appreciated. Buen Camino!
Hi, my wife and i walked that route all the way to Santiago in Sept 2023. Getting out of Lisbon can be tricky, some places the route is marked and others it is not, so guessing and exploring takes place. Once you make it to the Vasco de Gama bridge / park you will fine. The boardwalk is extensive - over 12K. Nothing much to see and in Sept it was very hot, so pack water. We mostly stayed in 3 star hotels, some with good food and others not, so we packed fruit and yogourt, bread rolls and cheese. Getting out of Lisbon, we took the metro to the very last stop and then walked. You can try this, as it cuts down on some pavement. I would say, half the walk between Lisbon and Porto is on paved roads, highways or cobblestone. We covered an average of 23 to 26 K per day. I am 77 and had no major problems.I plan to walk the Camino Portuguese in Sept 2024, from Lisbon to Santiago. I am using John Brierley's guide to plan my pilgrimage. His first seven stages are over 30 KM each. I am over 73 and have completed the French Way and thru hiked the AT. I usually start my walks with a short day, so I hope to walk from the Lisbon Cathedral Se to Oriente, about 10 KM, the first day. My questions are:
1. How was it walking 30 KM to Alverca do Ribatejo? It looks flat so I may be able to do it in 10 to 12 hours.
2. If I stay in Oriente/Moscavide, is the Pousaada de Juventude a good place to stay or would I be too old? I have no problems with staying in Albergues but this is more of a general youth hostel.
3. Is there any other accommodations in Oriente/Moscavide that you can recommend?
4. Or is taking the train from Oriente to Alverca do Ribatejo just the best alternative? This is suggested by the Wise Pilgrim app.
Any insights you can give me are greatly appreciated. Buen Camino!
This is precisely why I find it worth the minimal expense and space on my phone to take multiple apps with me on Caminos.Camino Ninja also does not show the new route.
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But the Buen Camino app shows the old route (in gold) and the new route (in blue)
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Me too. There have been times when I'm at a crossroads, and it's helpful to have at least two of the four apps agree and confirm the right direction.This is precisely why I find it worth the minimal expense and space on my phone to take multiple apps with me on Caminos.
This is precisely why I find it worth the minimal expense and space on my phone to take multiple apps with me on Caminos.
Or if you have several wikiloc tracks, you only need one app and can flip back and forth to figure it out.Me too. There have been times when I'm at a crossroads, and it's helpful to have at least two of the four apps agree and confirm the right direction.
That's also why I have Organic Maps, Wikiloc, and Mapy.cz.Or if you have several wikiloc tracks, you only need one app and can flip back and forth to figure it out.
Having several options is a great idea, maybe not for the Francés, Norte, Portugués, Vdlp, Primitivo, etc, but for the untraveled and solitary caminos it really eliminates any anxiety or nerves that might otherwise arise.
Yes, this is off-topic. Sorry.
Thanks for your helpSome years ago, when I was 74 years young, I spent the first camino night in the youth hostel. A perfect solution to start with a short walking day and then have an also short day after that. You are not too old for the youth hostel. Private rooms available
What town was the youth hostel in?Some years ago, when I was 74 years young, I spent the first camino night in the youth hostel. A perfect solution to start with a short walking day and then have an also short day after that. You are not too old for the youth hostel. Private rooms available!
This was the youth hostel on Lisbon. Moscovide. You can make a reservation for a private room. Shared bathrooms.What town was the youth hostel in?
I agree with you. I’m 73 and been walking the Caminos for ten years. In April I’m revisiting the Portugese Camino.What town was the youth hostel in?
Also 73 and I will be starting from Lisbon, so if you pass me along the way, I would appreciate a 'Buen Camino Pilgrim', I, in turn, shall return the wishesI agree with you. I’m 73 and been walking the Caminos for ten years. In April I’m revisiting the Portugese Camino.
Hey that’s so funny, when are you commencing, me April 6.Also 73 and I will be starting from Lisbon, so if you pass me along the way, I would appreciate a 'Buen Camino Pilgrim', I, in turn, shall return the wishes
Starting Mar 31st and aim to be in Porto by April 14th. It would be awesome to say hello or even stop for a beer!Hey that’s so funny, when are you commencing, me April 6.
Staying in Porto April 15 at Hotel Peninsular. April 16 Vila do Conde. I’m only walking to the boarder then back to Lisbon 24th for Freedom Day Celebrations. It’s the 50th anniversary of the Carnation Revolution. Definitely catch up for a beer or coffee. I’ll be on email during my time overseas.Starting Mar 31st and aim to be in Porto by April 14th. It would be awesome to say hello or even stop for a beer!
Spending two nights at Legendary Porto Hotel and leaving for Algeiras April 16th as I will be taking the Coastal way up to Vigo, then connecting with the Central at Redondela. But beer or coffee in Porto sounds good, I will also be on email while there, hopefully we can make it work.Staying in Porto April 15 at Hotel Peninsular. April 16 Vila do Conde. I’m only walking to the boarder then back to Lisbon 24th for Freedom Day Celebrations. It’s the 50th anniversary of the Carnation Revolution. Definitely catch up for a beer or coffee. I’ll be on email during my time overseas.
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