AngelCaido
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The Spanish version has additional information that makes it even clearer that @AngelCaido does not qualify for a Compostela when he takes a taxi to switch from the Camino Frances in Arzua to Caldas de Reis on the Portugues. The distance between Caldas de Reis and Santiago is merely some 40 km, the same as the distance between Arzua and Santiago.The English language version of the pilgrim office website also states "You can do the Way in stages, provided they are in chronological and geographical order."
Having recently received a Compostela after ending the Primitivo route in Melide and walking on the short distance to Santiago on the Frances, I can see how this regulation might be confusing to some pilgrims.
Not that it changes this argument, but it has been pointed out elsewhere:The Primitivo (as far as I am aware) is defined as traveling to Santiago from at least Lugo *through Melide*, and then joining the Frances. So that's not really "switching routes" the way the OP was considering.
hmf, the original way was the network of Roman roads, as adapted during the early Middle Ages, and the Primitivo is somewhat misnomered.Not that it changes this argument, but it has been pointed out elsewhere:
The Primitivo (The original Way) doesn't join the Frances in Melide. Rather, the Frances joins the Primitivo.
What does Alfonso have to do with anything?do I take the above to mean that Alfonso II did not travel from Oviedo to Santiago? Or simply that someone documented their pilgrimage for whom or whatever to what is now NW Spain earlier than Alfonso?
I still don't see how any king is involved in this discussion.Ah, I have the wrong king's name, I see. My apologies
What does Alfonso have to do with anything?
I still don't see how any king is involved in this discussion.
Not that it changes this argument, but it has been pointed out elsewhere:
The Primitivo (The original Way) doesn't join the Frances in Melide. Rather, the Frances joins the Primitivo.
The first pilgrimage to Santiago is generally reckoned to be one undertaken by Alfonso II from Oviedo to Santiago sometime around 840-850. I don’t think he walked though.hmf, the original way was the network of Roman roads, as adapted during the early Middle Ages, and the Primitivo is somewhat misnomered.
The principle one was IIRC the Aquitana, and it passed through Pamplona, León, and Astorga. That many of the earliest pilgrims were pushed north of that route by an Islamic presence is certain, but that was still a detour from the normal way.
Indeed, it's rumoured he did it on horseback but took a stagecoach from Lugo to Melide. A feed of pulpo invigorated him enough to resume his camino on horseback, yet on arrival at the pilgrim's office he was refused a compostela. It was also noted that hadn't collected enough stamps on the way. Infuriated, he had the staff member beheaded on the spot.The first pilgrimage to Santiago is generally reckoned to be one undertaken by Alfonso II from Oviedo to Santiago sometime around 840-850. I don’t think he walked though.
I'm not sure that there is any documented evidence of what route Alfonso took between Oviedo and Santiago and how closely or distantly it corresponds to what is now identified as the "Camino Primitivo". In the same vein, I'm not sure how many others followed the route that Alfonso took, making it an established ongoing pilgrimage route rather than just the path that one man followed. Most of the scholars that I've read seem to suggest that, for the most part, pilgrims were following the Roman roads on their pilgrimages in Spain, as JabbaPapa references. That one man may have taken a different route doesn't change the roads that most people (and pilgrims) were taking, and to acknowledge the commonly walked routes doesn't necessarily mean that one dismisses a particular trip by an individual person (okay, perhaps with retinue).:::chuckle::: Not that I care to die on this hill, but do I take the above to mean that Alfonso II did not travel from Oviedo to Santiago? Or simply that someone documented their pilgrimage for whom or whatever to what is now NW Spain earlier than Alfonso?
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