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I think that place provides accommodation for all kinds of people. The night we had dinner there, there was a school concert...... Sorry to hear of your experience.
I don't think the 'Camino' has become a circus. The Camino Frances maybe ;-)
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.Ack!
I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
We where there on April 18th.I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
Ear plugs, eye shade, Xanax, and reactive snoring...LOUD snoring...does it for me...
I seem to remember that I was that age once, albeit for a very short time...
If you can't beat them, join them. 2 years ago I had a similar experience. So down in the lounge I went over to a group of four girls that were sitting there talking. And I said tell me about your trip. It was amazing. They we're processing the trip. 1 of the girls hugged everybody she met. Some of the other ones had trouble walking. But all of them were changed by the Camino. Teenagers have a lot of energy. But try talking to a group of them or even one and you might find something to like.I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
I stayed there one Semana Santa and had the same experience!I had an equally bad experience at the often recommended hostel Triana in Sevilla. These were young adults..not school kids. Constant high noise level party all night and was still at high pitch when I left to start the VdlP at 6am. The young guy on the desk said that it was normal.
@graylandI had an equally bad experience at the often recommended hostel Triana in Sevilla. These were young adults..not school kids. Constant high noise level party all night and was still at high pitch when I left to start the VdlP at 6am. The young guy on the desk said that it was normal.
If you can't beat them, join them. 2 years ago I had a similar experience. so down in the lounge I went over to a group of four girls that were sitting there talking. And I said tell me about your trip. It was amazing. They we're processing the trip. 1 of the girls hugged everybody she met the other some of the other ones had trouble walking. But all of them were changed by the Camino. Teenagers have a lot of energy. But try talking to a group of them or even one and you might find something to like.
If you can't beat them, join them.
@grayland
I had heard that Triana was a noisy party place, so I spent my two nights in Seville at Hotel Simon: historic, quiet, a reasonable price for pilgrims and a great place to stay before beginning the VdlP. You can get credencials there too.
When we were young and on vacation, we spent all our time meditating.
Imagine that!! A group of teenagers visiting a foreign country during summer vacation and BEING NOISY!!! What has this world come to?! When we were young and on vacation, we spent all our time meditating.
Someone needs to inform these hellions that the Camino is a quiet, solitary place with strictly-enforced noise limits.
Or maybe if it's too loud, you're too old.
Snoring ok , but running around and screaming all over the place late at night that has nothing to do with age .Ear plugs, eye shade, Xanax, and reactive snoring...LOUD snoring...does it for me...
I seem to remember that I was that age once, albeit for a very short time...
I do not think that is what it is. I did my share of hell raising when young. Never was a silly teenager running around acting rudely in a group like that in a communal environment, though. When traveling with a sports team we had strict rules, and curfews and behavior expectations. Our coaches and such would have made us pay dearly for acting the fool like that. Then I got older. On deployments in the army acting the fool like that in public would have gotten our young asses locked up, ha ha. Not to mention the hell to pay later when reunited with the unit and the dreaded first sergeant.Imagine that!! A group of teenagers visiting a foreign country during summer vacation and BEING NOISY!!! What has this world come to?! When we were young and on vacation, we spent all our time meditating.
Someone needs to inform these hellions that the Camino is a quiet, solitary place with strictly-enforced noise limits.
Or maybe if it's too loud, you're too old.
When you make remarks like this you don't make friends here.Or maybe if it's too loud, you're too old.
When you make remarks like this you don't make friends here.
I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
Imagine that!! A group of teenagers visiting a foreign country during summer vacation and BEING NOISY!!! What has this world come to?! When we were young and on vacation, we spent all our time meditating.
Someone needs to inform these hellions that the Camino is a quiet, solitary place with strictly-enforced noise limits.
Or maybe if it's too loud, you're too old.
When you make remarks like this you don't make friends here.
I dislike rambunctious teenagers as much as the next person, and I agree that children need to have wise discipline, but that is a sweeping glass-half-full generalization with very limited truth in it.We are deluged with a generation of self-entitled brats who expect everyone to yield to their desires.
About 25 years ago, the United States started a huge social experiment. Score was no longer kept at athletic events. Every participant, regardless of effort or skill, got the same exact "participation trophy." Celebrating graduation from high school or college was no longer good enough. Elaborate ceremonies were created for children graduating from pre-school to kindergarten. If kids misbehaved in class they were no longer sent to the principal's office so the others could learn in peace and quiet. The fear was the discipline would scare them for the rest of their lives.
Now 25 years later America is reaping the harvest of what it sowed. We are deluged with a generation of self-entitled brats who expect everyone to yield to their desires.
I dislike rambunctious teenagers as much as the next person, and I agree that children need to have wise discipline, but that is a sweeping glass-half-full generalization with very limited truth in it.
I blame the parents!! Or fizzy drinks.. hmm or is it TV and video games? Or maybe social media.. hang on, rap music!! I'm guessing this thread has gone off topic slightly.. although I do enjoy a good discussion.. I'll play devils advocate and say it shouldn't be up to schools etc to police kids.. surely the primary caregiver/parent is responsible for their child's behaviour both in and out of school? Teachers wouldn't have to police children if they were brought up properly in the first place? If my kid misbehaved I wouldn't be blaming anyone but their mum and dad. Well, definitely their mum, their dad is a lovely chap!
I blame the parents!! Or fizzy drinks.. hmm or is it TV and video games? Or maybe social media.. hang on, rap music!! I'm guessing this thread has gone off topic slightly.. although I do enjoy a good discussion.. I'll play devils advocate and say it shouldn't be up to schools etc to police kids.. surely the primary caregiver/parent is responsible for their child's behaviour both in and out of school? Teachers wouldn't have to police children if they were brought up properly in the first place? If my kid misbehaved I wouldn't be blaming anyone but their mum and dad. Well, definitely their mum, their dad is a lovely chap!
Agreed. Also, it's a bit offensive to lump everyone into one category based on country of origin. I do not believe I ever observed a high school football game in the U.S. where no one was keeping score. It always looked quite competitive to me, they played hard and there was a scoreboard that was keeping score.I dislike rambunctious teenagers as much as the next person, and I agree that children need to have wise discipline, but that is a sweeping glass-half-full generalization with very limited truth in it.
I agree that not enough instruction is given to teens who plan to do a Camino. I can also say the same about some adults. We were in Belorado when P and S played their soccer game. We were in a hostel, but the loud chatter and laughter coming from the bars kept me awake. I think those who walk a little further each day ate smart. I imagine it gets them to a calmer place. What happened to the 10:00 rule that I thought albergues followed?I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
Oh Andy ! Triple like!!
@RobertS26About 25 years ago, the United States started a huge social experiment. Score was no longer kept at athletic events. Every participant, regardless of effort or skill, got the same exact "participation trophy." Celebrating graduation from high school or college was no longer good enough. Elaborate ceremonies were created for children graduating from pre-school to kindergarten. If kids misbehaved in class they were no longer sent to the principal's office so the others could learn in peace and quiet. The fear was the discipline would scar them for the rest of their lives. So they remained in class, acting out without any fear of discipline.
Now 25 years later America is reaping the harvest of what it sowed. We are deluged with a generation of self-entitled brats who expect everyone to yield to their desires.
And you can't fix it.Stupidity has no age.
Imagine that!! A group of teenagers visiting a foreign country during summer vacation and BEING NOISY!!! What has this world come to?! When we were young and on vacation, we spent all our time meditating.
Someone needs to inform these hellions that the Camino is a quiet, solitary place with strictly-enforced noise limits.
Or maybe if it's too loud, you're too old.
Boy, is that the truth!When you make remarks like this you don't make friends here.
Perhaps in Canada.
But in the USA, we are reaping what we sowed.
Ha ha....so very true. Modern pilgrims, overall (I know there have been some tragedies occur recently) do have it so much better than the one's of even say, just 100 years ago.It occurs to me that in its beginnings as a trade route built by the Romans, the road presented morbid dangers of all sorts that included strip mining the gold out of Northern Spain, and the deep oppression of the slaves and slave/soldiers who built it. Then we have the Crusades and their obvious violence, and the medieval period that brought the hazards of death by plague and malnutrition, exposure to the elements, etc. -- not to mention highway robbery, and the use of the camino as a place to send the undesirables as punishment for various crimes.
Seen from this angle, it would appear to me that an authentic camino would be anything *but* peaceful. Perhaps the youth are merely part of a long tradition of placing challenges on the route of those who seek something other than an easy peace.
Teenagers are often very self absorbed. Their world view is very narrow. They haven't experienced a lot of life and don't always realize or even notice how their behavior affects others. I wonder what would have happened if someone had approached them and reminded them that people are tired and trying to rest and just how annoying slamming doors can be from the other side. Of course their parents should have taught them to be considerate. But reminders from fellow pilgrims can't hurt. Sometimes it takes a village...
It occurs to me that in its beginnings as a trade route built by the Romans, the road presented morbid dangers of all sorts that included strip mining the gold out of Northern Spain, and the deep oppression of the slaves and slave/soldiers who built it. Then we have the Crusades and their obvious violence, and the medieval period that brought the hazards of death by plague and malnutrition, exposure to the elements, etc. -- not to mention highway robbery, and the use of the camino as a place to send the undesirables as punishment for various crimes.
Seen from this angle, it would appear to me that an authentic camino would be anything *but* peaceful. Perhaps the youth are merely part of a long tradition of placing challenges on the route of those who seek something other than an easy peace.[/
I have reflected and can think of any of my crimes that would deserve this harsh punishment! Lol!
I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again. .....
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households." Supposedly said by Socrates in 430BC, and quoted by Plato. Although there is doubt about the authenticity of the quote, it does seem to be a very old sentiment!
Teenagers are often very self absorbed. Their world view is very narrow. They haven't experienced a lot of life and don't always realize or even notice how their behavior affects others. I wonder what would have happened if someone had approached them and reminded them that people are tired and trying to rest and just how annoying slamming doors can be from the other side. Of course their parents should have taught them to be considerate. But reminders from fellow pilgrims can't hurt. Sometimes it takes a village...
You're there: You were once a teenager - remember those halcyon days with a smile when you try to sleep: Be brave: Pray for Karma: Not all teenagers are the same: Its not just S. American teenagers: I've come across similar adult groups too. Be Brave, be very very brave - and patient and coolI’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are laying in the halls, chasing each other, yelling.
Last night after 10, there were two blood curdling LOUD screams that sat me up in bed.
It sounded like someone was being attacked.
I finally reported this to the management but by the time he got there they were quiet.
The minute he left, they started up again.
WTF are the adults???
I’ve never seen such a rude, obnoxious bunch.
These are not pilgrims.
They act like rotten, spoiled brats who should have stayed home.
It feels like the Camino Francis has become a Circus.
I’m so done.
Ack!
We had a nice meal at San Martin recently, but sadly it sounds like a place to be avoided in terms of accomodation....
Dear @Anniesantiago
You might be grouchy but the adults need to do their job.
I used to think the Camino really shouldn’t be done as a school group....until the year we met a group in Santiago who had “just” walked from Sarria. Their leaders had ensured those kids had a real pilgrim experience - they did things like ban phones while walking, insist on silence for the first two hours, require an interview with a foreigner and a Spaniard.....they wrote journals, created art work, had daily feedback sessions, had a guest lecturer from the cathedral. We spent a couple of days staying at the same place and they dragged us along to dinner and the feedback meetings and soccer games with them. I was blown away talking with the teachers who had combined from three different schools to make this happen. They were so organised - even had shower rosters! The kids were jubilant, yet polite. I must admit I am not easily impressed (also slow to take offence) but I was stunned. Most of this group of nearly 100 kids were 15-16. I wish you could have met them.
I’ve said this for 4 years but it’s time.
I’m too old and crotchety for the Camino.
It’s true.
I am out of patience - I guess I just need to become a hermit.
I’m now at San Martin Pinario in the pilgrim rooms.qqq
I feel sorry for any weary pilgrims here.
There is a group of about 15 southern American teens here who have been crazy out of control.
Whoever is supposed to be Supervising them is either deaf or absent.
All day and into the night they run room to room, yelling and SLAMMING doors.
They are layin
In defence of American teenagers I have to go back to my first Camino in 2013.I Met up with a group of U.S teens who were accompanied by 4 or 5 parents.Each morning they would be given their day's destination and off they went.The parents set off later.At the end of the day they all met up and over a communal meal exchanged tales of their day.I joined them on several occasions and even finished in Santiago about an hour behind them,where I told them and their parents that they could be proud of their achievement and that they were a credit to their parents and nation.I’m intrigued......
country, in Europe, and known for their obnoxiousness.
Even having lived there for 40 years, I didn’t know a specific country carried this honour
I tend to agree that the Nationality of the Teens is probably not relevant...
And is probably not of any interest to readers......
Absolutely not! That is a very unfortunate conclusion. I love its simplicity, beauty and grandeur after a Camino, and will continue to choose it. Just maybe not in the busy season.We had a nice meal at San Martin recently, but sadly it sounds like a place to be avoided in terms of accomodation....
I had a mostly great trip from SJPDP to Finisterre. I traveled mostly with a younger crowd (I'm 60, so that's a large range) and American teens were NOT the ruin of 3 bad nights. As wad said above, lack of manners knows no age. But all 3 nights I had trouble were all from the same country, in Europe, and known for their obnoxiousness. All different ages, all same country. So, if there is a place on this forum to attack groups for their lack of manners,,, where shall I post?
I confronted them about their noise in sleeping areas. Two groups took their noise to common area and called me names I could not understand. One group remained obnoxious, hassled me repeatedly and almost made me mad enough to fight. Although one Texan against 4 others might look good oin the movies, I plugged in my earphones and drowned out their noise so I could sleep.
Wait,,, we're not supposed to attack ethnic groups, but this title has remained posted long enough to be monitored and it is attacking "American Teens". Why?
We had a nice meal at San Martin recently, but sadly it sounds like a place to be avoided in terms of accomodation....
Oh @Anniesantiago i feel your pain, us grumpy old ladies need to stay off the CF, that said we've all experienced odd behaviour on other routes from a range of age and countries... And I am sure their are stories circulating out there about us.
@Tincatinker , Chuck Berry, really, you are showing your age.
The "masses" of pilgrims reported recently on the Forum and a rush for beds was totally absent. My theory is that everyone is so worried that they book rooms in advance leaving the municipals for people like me. The other day in Sarria the municipal was only half full at 6 p.m. And this was on a Friday night!
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Given my age I guess that I belong to the "old lady" category but I got into Santiago yesterday after walking the Camino de Madrid followed by the Francés and I had a surprisingly positive experience. My last time on this part of the Francés was in summer of 2010 where it was a madhouse from Sarria on.
The "masses" of pilgrims reported recently on the Forum and a rush for beds was totally absent. My theory is that everyone is so worried that they book rooms in advance leaving the municipals for people like me. The other day in Sarria the municipal was only half full at 6 p.m. And this was on a Friday night!
Back to San Martin Pinario - this is unfortunate @Anniesantiago (how long are you still in Santiago?) as I have stayed there on several occasions and was very pleased with both the accommodations and location.
And as far as teenagers go - I passed several Spanish groups and they were very polite.
Oh I am so glad to read your post. I haven’t encountered those ‘masses’ either - in fact the last time (2016) , like you, I found lots of the albergues were empty!!!
I am walking my fourth camino francés this Summer and had started getting slightly worried
Glad you enjoyed it
I left Santiago this morning. I’m in Madrid. Flying out tomorrow.
Yeah, it was pretty quiet for us from Sarria. I was pleasantly surprised and Sarria was like a ghost town.
Two weekends ago however, Santiago was a zoo. I expected it to be that way for Saint John the Baptist fiesta but it was worse two weeks earlier.
Ive said before that the cf is overcrowded and overrated. What do people expect when there are around 300,000 on the cf?
Last year i walked the sureste and levante and saw 4 pilgrims...bliss!
Somebody suggested the vdlp...please ignore this as this route should be reserved for adults...not screaming ignorant kids
Yes, agreed. As the uncle to American teenagers I find the title to the thread to be inappropriate and offensive. I have no idea why the moderators have allowed it to be posted in the first place and to stay posted.I had a mostly great trip from SJPDP to Finisterre. I traveled mostly with a younger crowd (I'm 60, so that's a large range) and American teens were NOT the ruin of 3 bad nights. As wad said above, lack of manners knows no age. But all 3 nights I had trouble were all from the same country, in Europe, and known for their obnoxiousness. All different ages, all same country. So, if there is a place on this forum to attack groups for their lack of manners,,, where shall I post?
I confronted them about their noise in sleeping areas. Two groups took their noise to common area and called me names I could not understand. One group remained obnoxious, hassled me repeatedly and almost made me mad enough to fight. Although one Texan against 4 others might look good oin the movies, I plugged in my earphones and drowned out their noise so I could sleep.
Wait,,, we're not supposed to attack ethnic groups, but this title has remained posted long enough to be monitored and it is attacking "American Teens". Why?
Yes, agreed. As the uncle to American teenagers I find the title to the thread to be inappropriate and offensive. I have no idea why the monitors/coppers on this forum who lurk about have allowed it to be posted in the first place and to stay posted.
Would it been allowed to be posted and/or remain if it was titled with the words "Aussie teens", "German teens", "Spanish teens","Italian teens" etc etc etc....
This is a nice forum and assists many people who need legitimate assistance to plan and walk the Camino, but threads targeting ethnicity, country, religion, creed etc have no place here. Double standards certainly have no place here, either.
I think that when we travel, we are more upset by bad behaviour of our compatriots that we are by bad behaviour of others. Most nationalities have some characteristics that can be annoying or worse - and that includes Canadians as well as Americans. It isn't necessary to emphasis the nationality when we lament bad behaviour - it doesn't really help anyone.I’m an American.
I live in Portland, Oregon.
I have teenager grandchildren.
They were American teens.
The truth may hurt, but it is the truth.
I was ashamed of their behavior!
I’m an American.
I live in Portland, Oregon.
I have teenager grandchildren.
They were American teens.
The truth may hurt, but it is the truth.
I was ashamed of their behavior!
I would there were no age between sixteen and three-and-twenty, or that youth would sleep out the rest; for there is nothing in the between but getting wenches with child, wronging the ancientry, stealing, fighting...
Her nationality has nothing to do whether or not the title to the thread was offensive or not. With that logic you are saying it is okay to rant and insult an ethnic group as long as you are a member of that group? Flawed logic methinks or a poor attempt to excuse offensive behaviour.For those fellow Americans who are offended by the OP (Anniesantiago)....please take note that Annie is an American. She is not posting about other ethic/national groups.
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