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Woman on the Salvador fell due to por quality terrain and had to be rscued with ropes.
From the article I have difficulty picturing how this happened and how she fell, but with her cell she called the alberfue and also 112 and was rescued by the fire fighters.
Luckily she was not injured.
It is a pilgrimage, on a path taken by pilgrims for centuries. Walking in the energies of those previous pilgrims is the blessing. Should we pave it over? I say no.But when the challenge is doing 800 km why do we tolerate potentially dangerous paths.
From Buiza to Pajares you go from 450m to 1450m in ~2km with some very bad trails, lots of loose stones and lots of pilgrims having accidents...
It is a pilgrimage, on a path taken by pilgrims for centuries. Walking in the energies of those previous pilgrims is the blessing.
Just living is dangerous, usually ends up badlyIndeed.
Either way that is no excuse to tolerate dangerous conditions today
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a camino is not in any way an "official" road that should be maintained ...
Its everybodies own choice whether to follow the arrows or choose an alternatieve by road (which I think is available most of the time)
Sorry, but I don't understand this point of view. A Camino is not in any way an "official" road that should be maintained by a government or other organisaton as a way of public transport. For me one of the advantages of the Camino is that it chooses old paths and favours walking through more natural paths even though that implies some times taking more risks in unfavourable circumstances. Its everybodies own choice whether to follow the arrows or choose an alternatieve by road (which I think is available most of the time)
What I would hate to see is the Camino sanitised to the point that it is a flat paved road all the way to Santiago. Which it has become in some places.
With an increasing number of pilgrims, esp on the more difficult routes accidents will happen more often. Everyone has to prepare and ask him/herself: can I do this under all circumstances? can I do it alone? My husband and I walked on one camino into +/- 60 vultures in the middle of our path. They were sunbathing in the early morning sun.... we went on our knees to watch them. Then one of them, aware of two bodies not moving at all and almost not breathing (of awe) came to check if there was any good breakfast and circled just above us. I suddenly realised how large they are. Got frightened for one moment and then waved at the vulture and said: no sweet thing I am not yet eatable. The bird went back to the others and after some while we continued our path. This moment was for me the marking point, where I really understood: you can never be fully prepared to what's coming on your path.
Ofcourse I read everything about vultures afterwards.... But, if something would have gone wrong: who's fault would it have been? If somebody had to be blamed, only us...
Things happen, sometimes good and sometimes bad. You never know where the arrow brings you...even if you take the wrong curve.
And... if I would die on any path, bring me there and not home. My husband knows the exact spot.
Why, that's some experience, I enjoyed reading it a lot! :O) I wish I'd had the same experience with Mother Nature on the camino. The closest thing has been wolves, at two occasions. But they run away as soon as they see me, so never a close encounter!!! :O(
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I am researching online the final section of the Camino d'Arles from Oloron Ste Marie, which I shall be walking along in about six weeks. I was a little daunted by a photo of two brown bears which look very like grizzly bears lounging on a hillside, as an advertisement for accommodation which I am considering booking for my last night on the route near Borce. As in the Canadian Rocky Mountain parks, this photo is intended to attract motorists, who will not be vulnerable to the bears if they stay in their car. But I shall not have my bear spray and am hoping that I shall not see any of these bears close to my route. If I do, I shall beat a cautious retreat and take the bus. I have had one or two close encounters with grizzly bears and do not wish to repeat the experience.
Ha! Apparently you need to know first (1) What kind of bear it is (2) What its motive is (hunger, protecting babies, fear). After you have stayed calm and done that physical/psychological analysis you should do one or more of (a) act tall and big (b) make noise (c) fight back (d) play dead (e) move slowly away.Hi,
I've read about bears... Doing a bit of research on the Pacific Crest Trail...! I guess they deserve some respect! I've heard that if you run into them, you should stay calm, not to scare them, and talk to them, so when they hear a human voice they should retract?! I have no idea if this works... Or if brown bears are different...
I guess I have to do the PCT to find out!! :O)
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that's exactly what wolves do. that's their very special beauty. so as sad as it is for you, you came as close to mother nature as possible with them. you were lucky to see them twice from a distance.Why, that's some experience, I enjoyed reading it a lot! :O) I wish I'd had the same experience with Mother Nature on the camino. The closest thing has been wolves, at two occasions. But they run away as soon as they see me, so never a close encounter!!! :O(
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This accident occurred after Fresnedo, according to the article. That's the little town up the side of the hill after you reach Puente de los Fierros. I am assuming that she slid down that hill, since the article talks about how she wound up close to the railroad tracks. It is dicey, especially if there's mud or wet overgrowth.
That figure seemed way off to me, so I checked Ender's guide, which has elevation totals. La Robla (which is 6 km before Buiza) to Pajares is 39 km with a total 1100 m of elevation gain. So I can't imagine there is any 2 km stretch with 1000m elevation gain. There are some short stretches that are very steep (most of them going down, not up), but most of it is just "normal steep."
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I'm sorry to read of your injury, Alwyn and wish you a speedy recovery!I fall into that category having pulled a bunch of muscles in my right leg on the descent down Sierra del Perdon almost three months ago and needed to retire, "hurt".
we should keep in mind that, in my opinion anyway, anyone who walks any camino, but more especially caminos like the Salvador, implicitly assumes some risk of injury.
Having seen what "trail improvement" meant for the Camino Primitivo, I am hoping that the Salvador can avoid it like the plague.
Heartfelt agreement with you both! Much as I hated the descent from the alto del Perdon (and I did--it exacerbated a pre-existing injury to the extent that the walking became excruciating), I would hate for it to be turned into something other than what it is now. If we as pilgrims demand safety at all costs, we'll end up with 'improvements' such as those on the Primativo, more sendas, and fewer natural paths. No, thank you.What I would hate to see is the Camino sanitised to the point that it is a flat paved road all the way to Santiago. Which it has become in some places.
Uh-oh. Go while you can before it gets 'improved.'Anyway, any improvement will be studied for next year.
I had the same thought, and wondered more or less the same thing @Kathar1na. Not so much about the course the path takes, as about all those rocks.I think that people who would have to walk up and down there frequently would have modified its course a long time ago.
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. . . . . . As in the Canadian Rocky Mountain parks, this photo is intended to attract motorists, who will not be vulnerable to the bears if they stay in their car. But I shall not have my bear spray and am hoping that I shall not see any of these bears close to my route. If I do, I shall beat a cautious retreat and take the bus. I have had one or two close encounters with grizzly bears and do not wish to repeat the experience.
... I am researching online the final section of the Camino d'Arles from Oloron Ste Marie, which I shall be walking along in about six weeks. I was a little daunted by a photo of two brown bears which look very like grizzly bears lounging on a hillside, as an advertisement for accommodation which I am considering booking for my last night on the route near Borce. As in the Canadian Rocky Mountain parks, this photo is intended to attract motorists, who will not be vulnerable to the bears if they stay in their car. But I shall not have my bear spray and am hoping that I shall not see any of these bears close to my route. If I do, I shall beat a cautious retreat and take the bus. I have had one or two close encounters with grizzly bears and do not wish to repeat the experience.
Oh... Where is that? The only one I come to think of is the Camino Primitivo, which didn't seem primitive at all to me, considering the amount of asphalt, especially for the first stages...
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Having just recently walked to Fisterra ... The nice narrow mountain path leading to the descent to Cee has been replaced by what I now call a 'pilgrim motorway' ie a wide road covered in white gravel.
Going downhill, you had to be careful for sure but I don't find it safer now, that gravel is slippery.
And it's UGLY.
End of rant
Agree, it is somewhat treacherous but I was still kind of grateful for that descent to be remodeled (not so for ascent).Having just recently walked to Fisterra ... The nice narrow mountain path leading to the descent to Cee has been replaced by what I now call a 'pilgrim motorway' ie a wide road covered in white gravel.
Going downhill, you had to be careful for sure but I don't find it safer now, that gravel is slippery.
And it's UGLY.
End of rant
Such a shame, I agree. Many times when walking stretches like those I think about people who are in charge of this and I'm sure most of them have never walked anything more than to the supermercado or bar. That's the problem. People going to their jobs instead going to their work...Hi domigee. This seems to be Galucia's plan for all caminos within its territory. I had exactly the same experience on the Primitivo and ranted about it here: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...-fills-the-camino-primitivo-in-galicia.41665/
A legal complaint has been filed but people in the know say it's nearly impossible to reverse. It is a huge shame because I have done a bit of reading and there are much better ways to preserve trails. With the amount of euros that the Xunta spends on the camino, I can't understand why they opted for the destructive quick fix.
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