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I believe Croatia became part of the Schengen Zone Jan 1st this year, was also my exit plan for a short time but may have to look elsewhere now.Croatia another good option outside the Schengen Zone & within easy reach... particularly for VF-ers or other walkers in Italy.
Croatia also offers great walking opportunities especially day walks in their wonderful National Parks.
Croatia was my trip extension pick, post arriving in Rome. I took an overnight ferry from Ancona to Split but there are multiple options of departure & arrival points.
As with @VNwalking, the mere thought brings a twinge of restlessness!
It did.I believe Croatia became part of the Schengen Zone Jan 1st this year, was also my exit plan for a short time but may have to look elsewhere now.
Yes, Croatia became part of the Schengen Zone this January. We were hoping to extend our stay in Europe with a trip to Croatia. We still wish to visit and walk in Croatia. I'd love any suggestions for links to walks in northern Croatia.Croatia another good option outside the Schengen Zone & within easy reach... particularly for VF-ers or other walkers in Italy.
Croatia also offers great walking opportunities especially day walks in their wonderful National Parks.
Croatia was my trip extension pick, post arriving in Rome. I took an overnight ferry from Ancona to Split but there are multiple options of departure & arrival points.
As with @VNwalking, the mere thought brings a twinge of restlessness!
I always get a little confused about Schengen, but a fascinating non Schengen place not too far from Croatia is Sarajevo, Bosnia.I believe Croatia became part of the Schengen Zone Jan 1st this year, was also my exit plan for a short time but may have to look elsewhere now.
Not only is Bosnia not in Schengen, it's not in the EU. I agree Sarajevo is certainly worth a visit.I always get a little confused about Schengen, but a fascinating non Schengen place not too far from Croatia is Sarajevo, Bosnia.
No, Croatia is one of the 27 countries in the Zone.Croatia another good option outside the Schengen Zone & within easy reach... particularly for VF-ers or other walkers in Italy.
Croatia also offers great walking opportunities especially day walks in their wonderful National Parks.
Croatia was my trip extension pick, post arriving in Rome. I took an overnight ferry from Ancona to Split but there are multiple options of departure & arrival points.
As with @VNwalking, the mere thought brings a twinge of restlessness!
It's really just for people who want to spend more than 90 days in Europe. You can spend time outside of the Schengen zone and it doesn't count towards the 90 days.This is interesting but I don't understand what the advantage would be by having a break outside the Schengen zone.
As I understand it, unless country to country special bilateral arrangements have been made, such as those that exist between Spain and New Zealand, people like us Australians can only stay on the Schengen zone for 90 days out of every 180 days.
If one has used up their 90 days then yes - I understand why travelling to a non-Schengen country would extend holiday time but is there another reason?
Yes, Croatia became part of the Schengen Zone this January. We were hoping to extend our stay in Europe with a trip to Croatia. We still wish to visit and walk in Croatia. I'd love any suggestions for links to walks in northern Croatia.
Walton, I have stayed overseas more than 90 days in the past (combining vacation in Portugal as well as visits to see friends in Germany, Switzerland and Ireland) and hope to do additional longer than 90 day visits in the future. we had planned to do a combo >90 day visit to Portugal & Croatia trip this year, but Croatia's addition has changed how long we can stay in each of those countries.This is interesting but I don't understand what the advantage would be by having a break outside the Schengen zone.
As I understand it, unless country to country special bilateral arrangements have been made, such as those that exist between Spain and New Zealand, people like us Australians can only stay on the Schengen zone for 90 days out of every 180 days.
If one has used up their 90 days then yes - I understand why travelling to a non-Schengen country would extend holiday time but is there another reason?
Thank you so much Tassie. I've been looking for a guidebook. Not sure how I missed that one.View attachment 143662
@BethL, the Cicerone guide was my go to for walks in Croatia. Otherwise just google; there's plenty of companies advertising walks/hikes/treks to at least give you ideas.
Happy trails!
If someone needs to attend two functions in the SZ more than 90 days apart, with a camino in between, one would need more than the amount of time the visa allows. So a solution is to attend function 1, go to England for a while, then renter the SZ to walk the camino and attend function 2 at an appropriate time.but I don't understand what the advantage would be by having a break outside the Schengen zone.
This is interesting but I don't understand what the advantage would be by having a break outside the Schengen zone.
As I understand it, unless country to country special bilateral arrangements have been made, such as those that exist between Spain and New Zealand, people like us Australians can only stay on the Schengen zone for 90 days out of every 180 days.
If one has used up their 90 days then yes - I understand why travelling to a non-Schengen country would extend holiday time but is there another reason?
Yes, my understanding for Australians is that after 90 days in the Schengen zone you must leave that zone for 90 days before you are allowed to return to the Schengen zone
I have walked in Croatia, but only on the massive stone fortification walls surrounding the city of beautiful Dubrovnik. Montenegro was lovely as well and in Kotor I hiked the 1350 steps up to the fort on top of the hill. Not exactly Camino style walking of village to village, but they still provided lots of beauty and great memories.Montenegro could be considered too...I visited both along with my then Schengen-free Croatia in 2019.
No need for apology. I was just aware that for those without EU passports or residency there has to be an exit for a time if you wish to spend longer in the EU/Schengen Zone than the 90 days permitted at the one time. I found the article and it brought up other options, useful and enjoyable I am sure.View attachment 143662
@BethL, the Cicerone guide was my go to for walks in Croatia. Otherwise just google; there's plenty of companies advertising walks/hikes/treks to at least give you ideas.
Happy trails!
Sorry @Kirkieyou probably intended this thread to be solely about UK walk options but I derailed it with my suggestion & subsequent boo boo! Great article by the way...
I got very snap-happy walking Dubrovnik's walls...flattened my camera battery! Bosnia-Herz (the famous bridge in Mostar is unforgettable) & Montenegro are amazing places to visit...especially as they're not so well known on the tourist trail.I have walked in Croatia, but only on the massive stone fortification walls surrounding the city of beautiful Dubrovnik. Montenegro was lovely as well and in Kotor I hiked the 1350 steps up to the fort on top of the hill. Not exactly Camino style walking of village to village, but they still provided lots of beauty and great memories.
P.S. I like your new Avatar.
Thanks @Kirkie...that's very understanding of you.No need for apology. I was just aware that for those without EU passports or residency there has to be an exit for a time if you wish to spend longer in the EU/Schengen Zone than the 90 days permitted at the one time. I found the article and it brought up other options, useful and enjoyable I am sure.
Raynor Winn is an inspiring author. Walks in the UK.Thanks @Kirkie...that's very understanding of you.
I'd love to spend time walking in the UK...so many trails to choose from & now others thanks to your article link. The Wales Coastal Path & the End to End Trail have always been on my radar but as @VNwalking mentioned, it's the expense which sees them not quite progress up The List. I'm happy I walked from London to Dover to at least get a taste though. And it took the pressure off not having to include England in my 90 day allowance to get to Rome on foot.
So much still out there to explore...
Yes, I've read Raynor Winn's 'The Salt Path'...what could have been another book about a trail was elevated by their extraordinary personal circumstances.Raynor Winn is an inspiring author. Walks in the UK.
John G Dwyer is a most experienced 'walking' author in Ireland, well worth researching.
Landlines, by Raynor Winn, is a delightful read also. Nothing to do with the fact it traverses the best wee country in the worldYes, I've read Raynor Winn's 'The Salt Path'...what could have been another book about a trail was elevated by their extraordinary personal circumstances.
Hadn't heard of John G Dwyer before so will look into his offerings...thanks for the tip!
Is it necessary to leave Schengen to utilise the agreement? I thought you could apply to extend from within the country you wish to remain in for up to 90 days at a customs and immigration office. (Mind you, leaving might work well for me, to return to the UK for my mother's and my brother's birthdays. I'll be on a Canadian passport; there don't seem to be bilateral agreements for Brits!) Also, do you know how long you have to be outside Schengen after 90 days in Schengen and up to 90 in Spain (or whatever country you choose)?Although I intend travelling to Scotland in order to leave the
Schengen zone, the Spanish embassy in NZ said I could leave one day and return the next, as the return trip would utilise the bilateral visa-free agreement between Spain and NZ. Spain has a range of such bilateral visa-free arrangements, so it's worth checking your country's arrangements.
I offer the references below for your perusal. I rather think the surest way to get to the facts in your own case is to ask the relevant government department in the country you are residing in, or whose passport you hold.Is it necessary to leave Schengen to utilise the agreement? I thought you could apply to extend from within the country you wish to remain in for up to 90 days at a customs and immigration office. (Mind you, leaving might work well for me, to return to the UK for my mother's and my brother's birthdays. I'll be on a Canadian passport; there don't seem to be bilateral agreements for Brits!) Also, do you know how long you have to be outside Schengen after 90 days in Schengen and up to 90 in Spain (or whatever country you choose)?
Kirkie offers good advice. The Spanish embassy in NZ gave me the guidance about leaving and returning next day. As it happens, I will leave and return to Spain before my 90 Schengen days are used up, but that doesn't stop me then utilising the bilateral visa-free entry. It's handy because the classes of visa that Spain issues now are quite limited.Is it necessary to leave Schengen to utilise the agreement? I thought you could apply to extend from within the country you wish to remain in for up to 90 days at a customs and immigration office.
Is that really the case? What if you spend less than 90 days? Surely you can leave and come back to complete the 90 days after a stay in a non-Schengen country?View attachment 143665
Aussies have to leave for 180 days before re-entering.
Yep, you're right...it can be difficult finding accurate info or keeping up with changes (as per my earlier mistake!) especially on the finer points incl bi-lateral agreements, etc.
If you spend less than 90 days in the Schengen, yes you can return to utilise the balance after a visit to a non-Schengen.Is that really the case? What if you spend less than 90 days? Surely you can leave and come back to complete the 90 days after a stay in a non-Schengen country?
@Nancyheathcote simply thought it was then another 90 days before you could re-enter but that is when the 180 day absence applies.Yes, my understanding for Australians is that after 90 days in the Schengen zone you must leave that zone for 90 days before you are allowed to return to the Schengen zone countries.
Please note that this depends on a specific treaty between your passport country and the Schengen country. Otherwise, the Schengen rules are no more than ninety days in any continuous 180 days. If I exit Schengen on the ninetieth day and try to return 89 days later, chances are they will not let me leave the airport.Although I intend travelling to Scotland in order to leave the
Schengen zone, the Spanish embassy in NZ said I could leave one day and return the next, as the return trip would utilise the bilateral visa-free agreement between Spain and NZ. Spain has a range of such bilateral visa-free arrangements, so it's worth checking your country's arrangements.
I am an Australian and I have applied for a Schengen space visa through the French consulate so can now extend my stay for 6 months.Yes, my understanding for Australians is that after 90 days in the Schengen zone you must leave that zone for 90 days before you are allowed to return to the Schengen zone countries. Last year I was in Spain and France for 3 months and had to then travel to the UK because it is not a Schengen country.
It was difficult to get information about this at the time.
I was planning an 18 month Europe trip just before the pandemic hit and had my SZ days carefully mapped out - spreadsheet with a running SZ day tally / balance. I'm late to the thread, but will post for those doing their research in the future.View attachment 143665
Aussies have to leave for 180 days before re-entering.
Yep, you're right...it can be difficult finding accurate info or keeping up with changes (as per my earlier mistake!) especially on the finer points incl bi-lateral agreements, etc.
Oh my...I was planning an 18 month Europe trip just before the pandemic hit and had my SZ days carefully mapped out - spreadsheet with a running SZ day tally / balance. I'm late to the thread, but will post for those doing their research in the future.
My understanding is it is a rolling 180 day window, so you can use up your 90 SZ days then leave for 90 days before re-entering the SZ. You don't need to stay out for 180 days.
The quoted document above says "... before your 90 days are reset". But you don't need the full 90 day allowance available before re-entering, you just need one day available.
If days 1 - 90 were in the SZ, then on day 181 and each subsequent day you "drop" / expire one SZ day from your balance. And you can add one back. So long as you keep your SZ days tally to 90 days or less in the last 180 days you are sweet. The key here is that the 180 days is a rolling window, with start and end dates moving forward day by day.
I recall something about day of arrival being "day 1" not "day 0" (or perhaps departure day counts as one day). It's effectively 89 nights you're allowed to be in the SZ IIRC, so I allowed a couple of days buffer in case my math was out.
Another non-SZ country is Morocco btw. We were planning to winter there and Turkiye, flying directly between the two.
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