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I've also resorted to checking into a private room. Felt good in the morning after a good night's sleepHope you can get a good night's sleep soon. I find sleeping badly can really affect my attitude to being on Camino. When albergue life gets too much for me I book in to somewhere else for a night if I can. This either restores my enthusiasm for communal living or reminds me I can also enjoy a quiet room and comfortable bed. Maybe also a buffet breakfast too!
The tourist office in Ponferrada advised me in January 2016 that nothing was open on the Camino Invierno in the winter. Be sure in advance that you will be able to find a bed!!!with the discussions about the Invierno, sounds right up my alley
Fatigue can amplify the dissonance between what you expect and want, and what is available. Often there is a lot more available, but it requires some effort to find it. "Unlisted" beds abound if you watch for signs that list them. When one sticks to a guide, even one published very recently, one only finds what is in the guide! Feelings and reality may be at odds, and fatigue limits the ability to think clearly. Yes, a good rest can affect your attitude!I find sleeping badly can really affect my attitude to being on Camino.
Agreed. I'm content walking CF in the winter months and sounds like CI would be great for warmer (late spring - early fall) months to avoid the same frustration that our OP is experiencing. It is of course a little ironic that following the winter camino in the winter wouldn't work that well...!The tourist office in Ponferrada advised me in January 2016 that nothing was open on the Camino Invierno in the winter. Be sure in advance that you will be able to find a bed!!!
Nothing wrong with a private room and a good night's sleep!I've also resorted to checking into a private room. Felt good in the morning after a good night's sleep
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I've also resorted to checking into a private room. Felt good in the morning after a good night's sleep
I intend to go on to Finisterre and Muxia. Hopefully that section is less crowded.No criticism. Sympathy. Hope you manage to get to the end, with peace instead of disillusionment. Maybe a little reorganising the goal for each day will take you out of the estimated distances, and perhaps a bit more peace in the albergues. And by the way, my laptop insisted on using ALLERGIES instead of ALBERGUES. Hah!
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
Yeah, that's me. I'm one of them.The tourists are ruining the Camino
I always appreciate those who take the time to share their walk as it happens, including current realities. Hang in there it is a roller coaster, then it gets sunny.I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I'm going to make a new t-shirt that says, "PORTO IS THE NEW SARRIA."
The tourist office in Ponferrada advised me in January 2016 that nothing was open on the Camino Invierno in the winter. Be sure in advance that you will be able to find a bed!!!
Umm, sorry to burst your bubble but the route to Finisterre has become very popular in recent years, but more so with young solo walkers and not so with large groups. I remember reading somewhere that Tui is up there as one of the top 3 places people start walking the camino. We found the Tui leg to be pretty full of loud groups even in November, but numbers dropped off dramatically on the Portuguese side of the border, especially on the Lisbon leg. While it is good to see numbers up on a wide range of routes, including the English Way, it is sad that boorish behavior is also increasing as your post reports its the inconsiderateness in the alburge that is the key problem.I intend to go on to Finisterre and Muxia. Hopefully that section is less crowded.
I'm going to make a new t-shirt that says, "PORTO IS THE NEW SARRIA."
The tourist office in Ponferrada advised me in January 2016 that nothing was open on the Camino Invierno in the winter. Be sure in advance that you will be able to find a bed!!!
I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it for me.
Too bad about your experience. I did Porto to Santiago in May and it was great. I wouldn’t even consider going later in the summer for the very reasons that caused your dissatisfaction.I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
The occasional private room has gelled a lot. I feel energised until I encounter the next wave . . . which isn't very long.@Rossco , what others have suggested about getting out of sync with the especially annoying folks can help a lot. But only so much when it's really crowded - because there will always be someone. So single rooms are a real refuge. It helps to remember that no-one ever said that to be a real peregrino you have to stay in dorms! In fact, albergues were initially intended only for those pilgrims who couldn't afford private accommodation. So sleep in solitude without guilt.
And...in the end, the only thing that is a fail-safe remedy for me is the inner adjustment that comes with cultivating contentment with what is, whatever it is, pleasant or unpleasant. That's not so easy, but the camino provides a lot of opportunities to practice the skill!
Well said, I would just smile & say "oh the humanity!" Yet I must admit I can sleep thru a lot. I think when you realize you have no control of when that bullet has your name on it. You simply relax & sleep. Yet it never hurts to go into a quiet hole, for common sense.Really sorry you're having a rough time @Rossco I doubt there are many of us on this forum who won't sympathise with your situation. Like a few others I've taken to staying in a private room of some sort every 5 days or so just to recharge the batteries but I worry that while this is a solution for those of us that can afford it, it certainly isn't open to everyone.
What the solution is I don't know. Part of what I love about the camino is being forced together with people who you might not otherwise meet and the idea of segregating myself from others doesn't feel like a solution, but then neither does dictating to others how they should behave.
OP, are you not a tourist too? Live and let live amigo.
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I don't believe you will be criticized for "venting" on this forum. Your "vent" may actually assist others who read about the issues and may be able to avoid the same issues you are experiencing due to your "vent". Take a step back and re-assess and go forward. Don't allow others to dictate your happiness. As the saying goes....."When handed lemons, make lemonade"...I've also resorted to checking into a private room. Felt good in the morning after a good night's sleep
I don't know about the Portugese route but on the Frances it was always best to try not to finish at the towns that one of the popular guidebooks recommended as a good finish point for the day. Many people I met were using the Brierly guide and finishing at all the 'stage finish towns' and they were much more crowded. I also liked the idea of staying at smaller places and spreading my money around a bit. Not sure what you've done but this might make it a bit nicer - I don't know though.Fatigue can amplify the dissonance between what you expect and want, and what is available. Often there is a lot more available, but it requires some effort to find it. "Unlisted" beds abound if you watch for signs that list them. When one sticks to a guide, even one published very recently, one only finds what is in the guide! Feelings and reality may be at odds, and fatigue limits the ability to think clearly. Yes, a good rest can affect your attitude!
That is how the albetgues were originally planned to be used in the late 1980's. One albergue in the bigger towns and cities for pligrims who can't afford private accommodation: an albergues for all pilgrims in remote areas where there is no alternative accommodation. Pilgrims were never meant to only sleep in albergues, especially those who could support the local hospitality industry.We walked from Porto to Santiago in early April this year and enjoyed it very much. My wife and I have now completely given up on the multi bunk rooms at albergues, choosing private rooms if available. We will only stay a bunk room if no other options exist in the town or village at our nightly stop. If no private rooms are available, then we will choose pensions or hotels when available.
I see so many threads about people complaining about snoring, and generally boorish behavior in shared spaces in albergues. It is what it is and will never change. Not everyone that walks a Camino is necessarily a great selfless person. There is a grand mix of people and different cultural norms with the cooresponding full gamut of human faults and frailties which are to be expected.
We had some truly great private accommodations this year and really had no negative experiences whatsoever on our Portuguese Camino. Yes it is a little more expensive to go with private rooms, pensions or hotels, but it has completely changed our Camino experience, making each Camino we walk a positive, rewarding and wonderful experience.
Unfortunately not everyone remembers the reasons many are doing a camino.Tough spot to be in. It worries me as well so I'm sticking to my off-season schedule and heading out in January again next year. If opportunity arises though, I've been very impressed with the discussions about the Invierno, sounds right up my alley and would likely more than satisfy my desire to walk a warm weather Camino. Stick with it and maybe you can find some hidden gems away from the larger crowds. Good luck.
That is really too bad, sorry you are not having a good experience. I walked the Portuguese Caminho September, 2015, mostly alone as my husband had an injury. I had a most wonderful experience. Stayed in albergues almost the whole way, never ran into disrespectful pilgrims, met great people who are still my Facebook friends, yes suffered some snoring, comes with the territory. Booking into a hotel or pension makes sense but you miss a lot of comraderie doing that. The caminos remind me of life - ups, downs, good stuff, bad stuff, sadness, joy. Always an important experience. Try walking the Camino via de la plata or the Camino Madrid, you will be so pleased to even run into another pilgrim. Many times we were the only pilgrims in the albergues! Don't give up on the Camino walking, just adjust.I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
Like in most casers of this sort - you have to state which month you traveled. I travel more & more early to catch the proper congestion index, so...Exactly two years ago my husband and I walked the Frances, and expected the horrible crowds after Sarria. I've already read a lot on this forum and warned him.
What really happened was we were walking ALONE. Some days we didn't see a single soul on the road and albergues weren't even half full.
We just stayed in smaller towns. That's it. We were probably walking in between traffic jams of people.
Also it didn't rain while we were in Galicia.
I can't complain...
Like in most casers of this sort - you have to state which month you traveled. I travel more & more early to catch the proper congestion index, so...
Reading back my message I see I made an essential mistake. I hope everybody understood that where I wrote "less" I meant "more"It's certainly true that in a dormitory you will meet less "boorish" people than in a private room. Staying in a private room will also mean you will not or less easily meet the majority of nice, gentle people that walk on the caminos. For me this is one of nicest aspects of walking. I must say though that I avoid the crowded caminos like the Frances.
No criticism! I would be really frustrated too! Hang in there! Can you find a place to get some sleep? I know that for me, hungry and tired can dim bright sunlight. --Can you ask the hospitaleros to try to influence the mood of the tour groups? I am starting on Le Puy a week from today-- trying to avoid tour groups.
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
As I said it was two years ago exactly. September-OctoberLike in most casers of this sort - you have to state which month you traveled. I travel more & more early to catch the proper congestion index, so...
Some (many) of us like the camaraderie that we find on the Frances, and other "crowded" trails. While I don't mind walking alone, I wouldn't much like only encountering 4 other pilgrims! Fortunately, we aren't all exactly alike. Wouldn't that be boring?!I did the Portuguese twice, last time 2 years ago Fine from Lisbon, busy from Porto then a nightmare from Tui. I am always perplexed why the fascination with the highly popular routes..especially the CF (in my opinion the most over rated and over crowded). Tis year I Did the Sureste and Levante. In 3 months I saw 4 pilgrims..bliss! I only stayed in one albergue which I had to myself. The previous person was 6 days ago. Frankly there is no point complaining about the boorish oafs...look for other routes.
I finished the CP three weeks ago starting from Porto. In some ways I found it harder than the CF because I hated the cobbles/granite sets but I guess you're used to those by now. From Porto I took the coastal to Vila do Conde - it was absolutely beautiful. Long board walks by the beach, crashing waves, sand dunes. Yes it's a little touristy but probably less so now the holiday season is over and really lovely. I would highly recommend taking that route. I chose then to cut over to Rates. I struggled a little for the next few days. Lots of road walking and I hated the cobbles, but from Ponte di Lima I loved it.Oh no! This is discouraging to hear. I've just began the PC a few days ago, and have actually been looking forward to reaching Porto, thinking that the scenery will be prettier & making it worth the long hikes. I must confess that up to now I have not been very impressed with what I've seen. Not much for scenery, very flat & downright uneventful. Dare I say, boring!?
I have heard it gets prettier once getting more north. At least this has been my hope! Any one else have anything to weigh in on!? I could use some encouragement! If even taking in some day trips perhaps!? Or perhaps specific alberques making the journey special. Right now I am in Tomar.
Thanks in advance!
Lisa
Some albergues (typically the municipals) will not take reservations, so they are less attractive to large groups who all want to stay together and know their destination in advance. There is nothing to prevent 10 people from arriving at an albergue and being admitted if there are beds. If there are only 9 beds available, the first 9 will get them.I thought you couldn't stay in albergues if you was in a large group?
Up at 5.30, whisperings amongst themselves, torches shining, brushing teeth, rustling bags? ???
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
Yeah, that's me. I'm one of them.
The trick to not having us annoy you is to learn a good relaxation technique.
Get yourself off to sleep fast.
It's lack of sleep that accentuates all other ills.
Regards
Gerard
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
Hey Rossco,
I had the same experience. Lisbon to Porto was lovely slowly meeting more and more pilgrims, then, after Porto the night madness of noise and very early headlamps in the face and no consideration from several people. It is very different the last 100kms where people want a Compostella. My next camino I will stay in private quarters the last 100kms just to avoid the madness and still be delighted with the wonderful camino experience. All the Best, Eliza
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
That's sad - sorry about that. But I wouldn't throw away everything for one experience. Generalizing is never good. You may have just been unlucky. I bet you do you Camino France next year and it will be lot different. My two cents anyway.I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
I was a purist on my first Camino and stuck to communal dorms.We walked from Porto to Santiago in early April this year and enjoyed it very much. My wife and I have now completely given up on the multi bunk rooms at albergues, choosing private rooms if available. We will only stay a bunk room if no other options exist in the town or village at our nightly stop. If no private rooms are available, then we will choose pensions or hotels when available.
I see so many threads about people complaining about snoring, and generally boorish behavior in shared spaces in albergues. It is what it is and will never change. Not everyone that walks a Camino is necessarily a great selfless person. There is a grand mix of people and different cultural norms with the cooresponding full gamut of human faults and frailties which are to be expected.
We had some truly great private accommodations this year and really had no negative experiences whatsoever on our Portuguese Camino. Yes it is a little more expensive to go with private rooms, pensions or hotels, but it has completely changed our Camino experience, making each Camino we walk a positive, rewarding and wonderful experience.
pUmm, sorry to burst your bubble but the route to Finisterre has become very popular in recent years, but more so with young solo walkers and not so with large groups. I remember reading somewhere that Tui is up there as one of the top 3 places people start walking the camino. We found the Tui leg to be pretty full of loud groups even in November, but numbers dropped off dramatically on the Portuguese side of the border, especially on the Lisbon leg. While it is good to see numbers up on a wide range of routes, including the English Way, it is sad that boorish behavior is also increasing as your post reports its the inconsiderateness in the alburge that is the key problem.
But don't let the tour groups drive you off, some of the long distance routes are less travelled and still offer that sense of isolation backed up by small alburges where you get to meet likeminded (if some times smelly) others. Walking out of season and picking sections that don't go to Santiago can also help.
I'll probably be criticised for my opinion but here I go: I am currently in Redondela but started in Lisbon and met some great people along the way. We had no problems with accommodation at all but as soon as we reached Porto it changed and from Tui it's chaos. Inconsiderate tour group members who seem to think it's their right to take over the kitchens at night, no consideration for people trying to get a decent sleep by yelling and talking loud when they eventually decide to come to bed. I've hardly had a proper night's sleep since Porto. I walked the Camino Frances in 2015 and it was noisy from Saria, but nothing like this. I was planning on walking the Camino Frances again next year but that's it foe me. The tourists are ruining the Camino
Having walked the Camino Frances in 2012 and enjoyed every minute, both quiet isolated stages and busy lively parts. I met and walked with individual Spanish people who mostly do the Caminos in stages as they cannot afford nor get lengthy holidays to do full walks in one hit. I also walked with others who had lost jobs due to the economic downturn in Spain at that time and were taking time out whilst trying to find new work. I loved their upbeat nature and found their company and positive attitudes gave me some insight into my own life situation. I also met groups of schoolchildren with their teachers starting to get used to Caminos on day trips, I loved meeting and speaking with all these groups, in fact meeting others on my Camino was my highlight!
I walked from Porto to Santiago in 2014 the real positives for me were the fantastic hospitality of local people who offered rooms, some did our washing for us,no extra charge, another couple gave us port and home made cake, another got up extra early to open her cafe so she could see us off and make us coffee. Many Portuguese had little money or job prospects, the economy there was even harsher than Spain and hearing about their lifestyles and expectations was a humbling experience. I have since walked more local paths, SWCP and Hadrians Wall, as well as Macchu Piccu and the Colca Canyon. I'm planning a Camino later in the year and reading the above posts from last September think I will look at one of the more central ones, though yet to walk to Finisterre and want to add this section to whatever path I walk. I cannot wait to get back onto a Camino, the very thought is exciting me.
That’s good news. I’m planning walking Le Puy to Pamplona in September 2019. I’m just a little worried about the availability f accommodation.Check out the Le Puy, a truly stunning walk full of history , wonderful medieval towns and city’s with wonderful views.
I have walked the Portuguese the Frances twice but the Le Puy is in a league of its own.
Just got back from walking Stevenson Way from Le Puy going south, the most beautiful walk I have ever done
You will love it , I never had a problem with accommodation , admittedly I met up with three Frenchman after 3 days and walked with them for the rest of the walk to SJPP, they knew all the right places to stay.
I think I am going to walk it again next year
Ahh! how was the weather in November on the Portuguese?...
I'm so glad you got yourself into a private room and got some rest.
Anyway, take care, and I hope you continue springing for those private rooms. Low season does make it easier.Let us know how things go.
Agreed. The last 100km is a whole different vibe. Private quarters for the last 3-5 nights? It's worth it.
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