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Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My camino is ruined.
Sleep on it. Let it go. There is a story and yes, I am going to tell a version of it to you. Two religious brothers were walking along by a river and a damsel in distress needed to be taken over to the other side. One of the two men carried her over, and the two men then continued on their way. After a long time, the other guy said to the one who had carried the woman: Brother, I am unhappy about what you did... the one who carried her said: Brother, I carried her and left her there....So, I am/was in the middle of the C.P. I'd just walked from Fatima and my feet are ruined (see attached photos). Anyway, arrived in Tomar, checked into the hostel, and met an Australian guy who was in the bunk below. Seemed really friendly. we chatted about the cricket, rugby (I'm English, if you know, you know) and the Camino. Anyway, got showered, etc and went out for some food. Whilst out, met some other pilgrims and we stayed at a bar till about 1. Creeped back into the dorm and didn't wake anyone (this was confirmed by the 4 other pilgrims this morning) and went to sleep. I was awoken at about 3:30am, as in physically touched and shook, and told by this Australian to stop snoring and to sleep on my side and not my back. Now whether it was a combination of alcohol, painkillers, tiredness, the pain, the sheer disbelief of his actions or a combination of all of the above, I thought it must a dream, but it most certainly wasn't, but I turned over and went back to sleep. When I woke at 7 this morning, to say I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage is the understatement of the century. Surely he knows about snoring on the Camino? Watched YouTube videos, etc. And he said he'd been in the army from our earlier conversation. Anyway, I phoned my ex of 16 years and asked how loud, because I know I'm a snorer, but not one of those that is really loud. "Just normal man snoring" were her words. Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My Camino is ruined. And that's without the bad feet. Anyway, I've come back to Fatima to chill in the free albergue (I'm on a VERY tight budget) for a couple of days and to let my feet heal, but I am seriously considering going home. Am I right to feel angry? Or do I embrace the "spirit of the Camino" and just let it go? Or was he in the right to wake me? And remember, he physically touched me to wake me up. Thoughts?
A) This isn't my first CaminoIf this is all it takes to ruin your Camino, you're in for a heck of a ride, imo.
Bear in mind HE was probably just as exhausted as you and was hoping for a good night's sleep.
Was he wrong to shake you?
I'd say yes,
and HE is also in for a heck of a ride, if he thinks albergues are quiet.
But pilgrims aren't always quiet or nice or "fill in the blank."
They are people.
I've seen fistfights in albergues, along with other bad behavior.
However, loud snoring is why I require people in my group trips to book a private room, instead of sharing.
It's also why when I walk alone and sleep in albergues, I wear really good earplugs.
You can also expect people talking on their phones late at night, earlybirds up and packing at 4:30 am, shaking bags and chatting, drunk singing, and more . . .
Honestly, I'd say get over it, and get back on the trail if you're willing to accept adversity.
(Realize the person writing this has said she "quit the Camino" more times than I can remember.)
But at least finish it first - I trust after a day or two of rest and some healing, you'll be read to walk again.
I think possibly with drinking together he maybe thought you now had a familiarity that you did not share, but it also seems like a big overreaction, I say let it go, when you decide to sleep with strangers things are going to happen.So, I am/was in the middle of the C.P. I'd just walked from Fatima and my feet are ruined (see attached photos, which are of each foot). Anyway, arrived in Tomar, checked into the hostel, and met an Australian guy who was in the bunk below. Seemed really friendly. we chatted about the cricket, rugby (I'm English, if you know, you know) and the Camino. Anyway, got showered, etc and went out for some food. Whilst out, met some other pilgrims and we stayed at a bar till about 1. Creeped back into the dorm and didn't wake anyone (this was confirmed by the 4 of the other pilgrims this morning) and went to sleep. I was awoken at about 3:30am, as in physically touched and shook, and told by this Australian to stop snoring and to sleep on my side and not my back. Now whether it was a combination of alcohol, painkillers, tiredness, the pain, the sheer disbelief of his actions or a combination of all of the above, I thought it must a dream, but it most certainly wasn't, but I turned over and went back to sleep. When I woke at 7 this morning, to say I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage is the understatement of the century. Surely he knows about snoring on the Camino? Watched YouTube videos, etc. And he said he'd been in the army from our earlier conversation. Anyway, I phoned my ex of 16 years and asked how loud, because I know I'm a snorer, but not one of those that is really loud. "Just normal man snoring" were her words. Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My Camino is ruined. And that's without the bad feet. Anyway, I've come back to Fatima to chill in the free albergue for a couple of days and to let my feet heal, but I am seriously considering going home. Am I right to feel angry, or do I embrace the "spirit of the Camino" and just let it go. Or was he in the right to wake me. And remember, he physically touched me to wake me up. Thoughts?
We weren't drinking together, the conversation was from when we met when I arrived at the hostelI think possibly with drinking together he maybe thought you now had a familiarity that you did not share, but it also seems like a big overreaction, I say let it go, when you decide to sleep with strangers things are going to happen.
Yes. It's the Sanctuary at Fatima, and they insist on not taking donations. Google it if you want. I knew I'd get this reaction. I guess I'm the bad guy, eh?1. Out drinking until 1am?
2. "Free" albergue?
A bit of self inspection may be in order.
We weren't drinking togetherI think possibly with drinking together he maybe thought you now had a familiarity that you did not share, but it also seems like a big overreaction, I say let it go, when you decide to sleep with strangers things are going to happen.
Unfortunately I can't afford private rooms. It's a pilgrimage, not a holiday.When I walked Camino Frances 2 years ago there were a group of 3 drunk gentlemen that came into the dorm room at 11pm and proceeded to talk loudly, laugh, shine their headlamps around the room and into our eyes as they loudly unpacked their sleeping gear and finally settle in and shut up. Three hours later I was awoken by the loudest, most terrifying snoring I had ever heard. It honestly scared me awake.
Did I want to beat them to death? Yes. Did I do anything? No. I glared at them the next morning and left and decided that albergues were not for me. My sleep is too important for me.
If you're going to stay out until 1am drinking, get a private room. Yes people snore, but drunk snoring is somehow much louder than usual. I applaud the gentleman that shook you awake, I wish I had the courage to do that to the water buffaloes in my dorm.
I see, but still the same answer...We weren't drinking together, the conversation was from when we met when I arrived at the hostel
Maybe do what you can to minimize your snoring. Put a hard object inside the back of your shirt to reduce back sleeping. Reduce alcohol consumption.Unfortunately I can't afford private rooms. It's a pilgrimage, not a holiday.
Or likely neither you nor 'the Australian' are 'bad guys'. You told your side of the story and how you reacted and asked for opinions - which people are giving.I knew I'd get this reaction. I guess I'm the bad guy, eh?
Just as an aside, your 'ex of 16 years' telling you your snoring isn't loud - 'just normal man snoring' really is not relevant to how you were snoring that night, after a day's walking and a night at the bar.As I have previously stated, even my ex confirmed my snoring isn't loud
Seems a bit of an extreme reaction if you ask me, which you did.I am seriously considering going home. Am I right to feel angry?
Worse things can happen.So, I am/was in the middle of the C.P. I'd just walked from Fatima and my feet are ruined (see attached photos, which are of each foot). Anyway, arrived in Tomar, checked into the hostel, and met an Australian guy who was in the bunk below. Seemed really friendly. We chatted about the cricket, rugby (I'm English, if you know, you know) and the Camino. Anyway, got showered, etc and went out for some food. Whilst out, I met some other pilgrims and we stayed at a bar till about 1. I creeped back into the dorm and didn't wake anyone (this was confirmed by the 4 of the other pilgrims this morning) and went to sleep. I was awoken at about 3:30am, as in physically touched and shook, and told by this Australian to stop snoring and to sleep on my side and not my back. Now whether it was a combination of alcohol, painkillers, tiredness, the pain, the sheer disbelief of his actions or a combination of all of the above, I thought it must a dream, (but it most certainly wasn't), so I turned over and went back to sleep. When I woke at 7 this morning, to say I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage, is the understatement of the century. He had gone, so I didn't have chance to address the situation. But surely he knows about snoring on the Camino? Watched YouTube videos, etc. And he said he'd been in the army from our earlier conversation, so he must be used to communal sleeping. Anyway, I phoned my ex of 16 years and asked how loud, because I know I'm a snorer, but not one of those that is really loud. "Just normal man snoring" were her words. Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My Camino is ruined. And that's without the bad feet. Anyway, I've come back to Fatima to chill in the free albergue (I'm on a VERY tight budget) for a couple of days and to let my feet heal, but I am seriously considering going home. Am I right to feel angry? Or do I embrace the "spirit of the Camino" and just let it go? Or was he in the right to wake me? And remember, he physically shook me to wake me up. Thoughts?
I was unable to find anything on this free accomondation in Fatima.....can you post a link?Yes. It's the Sanctuary at Fatima, and they insist on not taking donations. Google it if you want. I knew I'd get this reaction. I guess I'm the bad guy, eh?
" I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage.... Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw.Unfortunately I can't afford private rooms. It's a pilgrimage, not a holiday.
With your attitude, and level of anger, I do think going home is the right choice for you and more importantly for the Australian and fellow pilgrims. You've lost the spirit of the Camino, or, the spirit of the Camino is lost on you.So, I am/was in the middle of the C.P. I'd just walked from Fatima and my feet are ruined (see attached photos, which are of each foot). Anyway, arrived in Tomar, checked into the hostel, and met an Australian guy who was in the bunk below. Seemed really friendly. We chatted about the cricket, rugby (I'm English, if you know, you know) and the Camino. Anyway, got showered, etc and went out for some food. Whilst out, I met some other pilgrims and we stayed at a bar till about 1. I creeped back into the dorm and didn't wake anyone (this was confirmed by the 4 of the other pilgrims this morning) and went to sleep. I was awoken at about 3:30am, as in physically touched and shook, and told by this Australian to stop snoring and to sleep on my side and not my back. Now whether it was a combination of alcohol, painkillers, tiredness, the pain, the sheer disbelief of his actions or a combination of all of the above, I thought it must a dream, (but it most certainly wasn't), so I turned over and went back to sleep. When I woke at 7 this morning, to say I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage, is the understatement of the century. He had gone, so I didn't have chance to address the situation. But surely he knows about snoring on the Camino? Watched YouTube videos, etc. And he said he'd been in the army from our earlier conversation, so he must be used to communal sleeping. Anyway, I phoned my ex of 16 years and asked how loud, because I know I'm a snorer, but not one of those that is really loud. "Just normal man snoring" were her words. Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My Camino is ruined. And that's without the bad feet. Anyway, I've come back to Fatima to chill in the free albergue (I'm on a VERY tight budget) for a couple of days and to let my feet heal, but I am seriously considering going home. Am I right to feel angry? Or do I embrace the "spirit of the Camino" and just let it go? Or was he in the right to wake me? And remember, he physically shook me to wake me up. Thoughts?
The only one I could find was this one:I was unable to find anything on this free accomondation in Fatima.....can you post a link?
I had not been aware that it existed and could not find any other reference to it.
Thanks
Thanks @JCLima.The only one I could find was this one:
Santuário de Fátima | Acolhimento de peregrinos a pé
No sentido de proporcionar um conjunto mínimo de condições aos peregrinos que vêm a pé ao Santuário de Fátima, são postos à sua disposição alguns espaços para alojamento.www.fatima.pt
It's free and people can stay for up to three nights, but they say:
"O acolhimento de peregrinos a pé é prestado aos peregrinos de forma gratuita, sendo cada peregrino convidado a, se assim desejar, contribuir com uma oferta para os apoios sociais e caritativos que este Santuário assegura."
It roughly translates to "it's free but pilgrims are invited to contribute"
Maybe he can sleep outside under the stars which is truly free.Thanks @JCLima.
That confirms what most of us suspected. They, of course, accept donations.
It is simply a "donativo" not a free albergue.
It really is sad that so many people convince themselves that the donativo albergues are free. I am sure they know better but use the "free" definition to excuse themselves.
They often have money to go out drinking until 1am...but not money to pay the albergue.
Truly sad.
I was unable to find anything on this free accomondation in Fatima.....can you post a link?
I had not been aware that it existed and could not find any other reference to it.
Thanks
You are aware that the Catholic Church is literally one of the richest institutions in the world, right?"You can leave a donation in the offering box"
@Joeninho .....they are very clear that they welcome donations and are in fact a donativo.
I might just do that.Maybe he can sleep outside under the stars which is truly free.
Addendum:- A non pilgrim guest, in addition to the other pilgrims in the room not only confirmed that I didn't wake him when I came back to the room, but that HE was actually awoken by the guy waking me up. You really couldn't make it up. And yes, I guess I am the bad guy. "Spirit of the Camino"? It really is a holiday to most of you people, isn't it? Some of us actually undertake this for religious reasons. Like I said earlier, this is the reaction I expected. And in the spirit of Christianity, I have forgiven the guy, and will carry on to Santiago. I have already just completed an actual pilgrimage anyway so far by coming to Fatima, twice now. Thanks for all your opinions though. Very insightful. God bless and Bom Caminho.
You can afford to drink till 1amUnfortunately I can't afford private rooms. It's a pilgrimage, not a holiday.
Also, I may have used the term "free", I did actually mean donativo and of course made said donation, but the assumption is that I didn't.
I don't think that's what's being said. What people are saying, and I agree with, is that you are overreacting to an extreme degree.Right, so it's established that physically touching someone in their sleep is far less of a crime than snoring?
I'm having a little trouble squaring this with:Also, I may have used the term "free", I did actually mean donativo and of course made said donation, but the assumption is that I didn't. Nice community you guys have. Great "spirit of the Camino".
That's where we got the assumption you hadn't made a donation. The two seem to be contradictory but that is probably me being obtuse.It's the Sanctuary at Fatima, and they insist on not taking donations.
I have only read one response from someone who thought that it was a good idea to wake @Joeninho. I agree that it was completely inappropriate for the other pilgrim to have touched him in any way to wake him up.I must say that the overreaction is not from the OP, it is some the responses. I certainly think that there could have been a better way for the gentleman to wake him. You never know how someone could react when being awaken by a stranger in a deep sleep
When I woke at 7 this morning, to say I was, and still am angry, no, apoplectic with rage, is the understatement of the century.
Either way, he's lucky I didn't break his jaw. My Camino is ruined
Finally, somebody who actually gets it. Thank youI must say that the overreaction is not from the OP, it is some the responses. I certainly think that there could have been a better way for the gentleman to wake him. You never know how someone could react when being awaken by a stranger in a deep sleep. I am a light sleeper and have had many a sleepless nights on the camino, I never considering waking someone and tell them to turnover. Buen Camio to all!
The drinks were bought by someone elseYou can afford to drink till 1am
Get over it, and yourself.
I was shaken violently awake in the Albergue in Samoa by a woman shouting “Snoring, snoring”. I didn’t punch her in the nose but did point out that I was wide awake and the snoring continued
Okay, maybe I overreacted. But it was an extreme invasion of my personal space. And again, this wasn't an albergue, but a public hostel. He didn't go out to the communal space where people were talking and tell them to shut up.I have only read one response from someone who thought that it was a good idea to wake @Joeninho. I agree that it was completely inappropriate for the other pilgrim to have touched him in any way to wake him up.
It's these statements that I consider to be extreme overreaction:
Nice. Stay classyFree accommodation, free drinks. Have a great Camino
Have stayed there and it is true- free, but IMO really a donativo. To be fair, there are many pilgrims that go to Fatima that are stretching their budgets just to travel to the shrine. I wasn't one of them so I left a donation.The only one I could find was this one:
Santuário de Fátima | Acolhimento de peregrinos a pé
No sentido de proporcionar um conjunto mínimo de condições aos peregrinos que vêm a pé ao Santuário de Fátima, são postos à sua disposição alguns espaços para alojamento.www.fatima.pt
It's free and people can stay for up to three nights, but they say:
"O acolhimento de peregrinos a pé é prestado aos peregrinos de forma gratuita, sendo cada peregrino convidado a, se assim desejar, contribuir com uma oferta para os apoios sociais e caritativos que este Santuário assegura."
It roughly translates to "it's free but pilgrims are invited to contribute"
And again, it's a pilgrimage, not a holidayFree accommodation, free drinks. Have a great Camino
So one time, when I was much younger, and a bit heavier, and a drinker, I was told by a Perigrina one morning, "You know you snore, right?" "What?" I replied. It sort of devastated me. So after the trip I downloaded an app, I think it's called SnoreLab. You basically put it at your bedside and it records you over the night, and it rates your "loudness". At the time I had a beautiful black labrador retriever who slept in my room (on the floor). After the first night of recording, listening to the results, I turned to my dog and said, "Buddy! You snore".D) As I have previously stated, even my ex confirmed my snoring isn't loud
Whatever. I'm done here. I'm sure he'll enjoy the singalong at Casa Fernanda and the Polpo in Galicia. And I genuinely hope he does. But yeah, I'm done. This has certainly been insightful.Pilgrim is as Pilgrim does
…..of courseThe drinks were bought by someone else
Then perhaps it's time you started talking and acting like a Christian. Stop making excuses , hanging out in bars, threatening language/ behaviour, try to be a bit more respectful of others, in both words and deeds.And again, it's a pilgrimage, not a holiday
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