Dutchwalk53
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- Time of past OR future Camino
- CF 2015 with son #1, CF 2016 alone, CF 2017 with son #2 and husband , CF Sept 2018 with daughter
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I agree 100 % with you and I will. My question was more what people's experience is with Voltaren .You really need to be discussing this with your doctor and pharmacist. None of us know your medical history and the rationale for the treatment regimes being suggested.
Do you want our medical histories as well so you know why it was recommended?I agree 100 % with you and I will. My question was more what people's experience is with Voltaren .
NOPE ! I rephrased my post....Just curious about Voltaren (versus Ibuprofen) that's all.Do you want our medical histories as well so you know why it was recommended?
My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
You are not asking for medical advice, just other people's experiences. As a physician myself, I will give you mine: I used it last year for lower back pain and for foot pain and this year for some lower and upper back pain ( I took a much lighter pack, but my age refuses to go backwards) and it worked well for me, very well. I used Voltadol Forte which only requires an every 12 hour application. It is an easy to apply gel that does not have a strong unpleasant odor. The non steroidal anti inflammatory diclofenac is absorbed locally, so it is generally not advised to take another, or the same, anti inflammatory by mouth, in addition. I did not need to use it often this year and it avoids, for me, the irritation of the stomach lining. In fact, I will take several tubes of it home.My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
Thank you. I indeed didn't mean to ask for medical advice , sorry if it sounded that way........just curious about experiences.You are not asking for medical advice, just other people's experiences.
Thank you . I will certainly talk to my Podiatrist and Dr before I leave to discuss again. The one thing I will try for sure is drink more water.It's interesting to hear how others coped with or prevented injuries with meds
True and I will make some follow up calls/visits. Thank you.Given that your doctor has given you his recommendation you have two choices: follow it or get a second opinion.
That is how I normally am. Hence the question. As said, some follow up calls this week and who knows I may be fine without medsI discussed my meds regime for coping and she was dead against it. Hates taking meds for 'no reason'.
I have used both Volteran gel and tablets. I prefer the tablets to ibuprofen as I have found them both easier on my stomach and faster acting. These are available OTC in Spain and cost less than €5 (tablets) They are widely available in all farmacias. Also you can get generic brand 'diclofenico', which is cheaper again.NOPE ! I rephrased my post....Just curious about Voltaren (versus Ibuprofen) that's all.
Sorry I couldn't resist liking this. Best laugh I had this morning! With a name like Fitzgerald you must have "the gift of the gab"Do you want our medical histories as well so you know why it was recommended?
Tablets generally work better than the creams but be aware that ibuprofen and especially voltarol tablets can be hard on the stomach. They can also be addictive. All the other advice given here is relevant so I hope you can have a good Camino without pain. I'm sure she also gave you the relevant exercises to do to improve the situation.My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
I used Arnica which is a more natural form and found it most helpful.My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
Thanks Don, I'm very careful with all drugs. I prefer not taking any if possible. Hopefully I will get by with a few Ibuprofen's now and then like I did last yearMake sure you don't double dose; i.e. take the tablets and use the gel at the same time this includes taking the higher powered 400mg Advil in combination with the gel.
edit…sorry 'Mountain Tobacco'A little background on Arnica, a more natural version of Voltaren…
First Nations refer to Arnica as Mountain - refers to the flowers of Arnica montana or Arnica chamissonis, and preparations made from them. Found as creams, tinctures and other topical preparations, Arnica products are for external uses, including sore muscles, pain and inflammation. Arnica preparations are also used for sunburns, superficial burns and diaper rash. ESCOP cites additional uses for sprains, inflamed insect bites, gingivitis, and for topical relief of rheumtaic discomfort. Arnica is a staple topical remedy in homeopathy, and in that system of medicine is most commonly employed in creams and gels, primarily to relieve bruising and muscle pain. Arnica also enjoys some limited use in hair tonics and dandruff preparations. I wouldn't be without this when walking.
Never seen it. I'll look into that tooYou may want to ask people about the ibuprofen cream in Spain. I
You are correct Pabloke, diclofenac is sold as Voltaren which is actually an Ibuprofen gel. I still prefer Arnica cream which helped me much more than than any pill or Voltaren, but I was using it specifically for muscle and joint discomfort after a day's walk.- Both, diclofenac (Voltaren is just a commercial brand) and ibuprofen are NSAI with different chemical structures.
- Creams and gels have a fewer concentration of the active principle. That's because is more difficult to control the dose.
- NSAIs are metabolized inside the liver. No matter if they are taken by mouth, spread on the skin or even injected into vein. The benefit of cream and gel is that stomach doesn't suffer.
I use to find creams less effective than tablets but, since I have gastric reflux, I carry both with me, so I can let my stomach rest when I need to take it for more than 3-4 days.
You are correct Pabloke, diclofenac is sold as Voltaren which is actually an Ibuprofen gel. I still prefer Arnica cream which helped me much more than than any pill or Voltaren, but I was using it specifically for muscle and joint discomfort after a day's walk.
Thanks for the clarification. I was told by a Sports chiropractor that Voltaren was an Ibuprofen gel. I too had read some negative things about Ibuprofen, so opted for Arnica.Actually, Voltaren is diclofenac, not ibuprofen. Diclofenac and ibuprofen are different drugs although both are NSAIs. Ibuprofen may be found as an ointment under different brands, aswell, but not under Voltaren brand.
On the other hand, at the end everything is chemical, whether natural or synthetic. May a good idea trying arnica if I find it.
What?On the other hand, at the end everything is chemical, whether natural or synthetic.
You really need to be discussing this with your doctor and pharmacist. None of us know your medical history and the rationale for the treatment regimes being suggested.
Hello, it worked great for me - much better than Ibuprofen. The gel could be applied directly to the ache and it worked to relieve both pain and swelling.
As you can tell we are all very hesitant to give any kind of medical advice to anyone for any reason. Your health is too important to gather advice from strangers. We strongly prefer each pilgrim to talk directly to a doctor and take their advice. They are the only ones in a position to know your condition. Given that your doctor has given you his recommendation you have two choices: follow it or get a second opinion. Would not hurt to relay your concerns to your doctor on your high blood pressure medication either.
Voltaren is the kind of product that you will know in a short time if it works or not.
I hope all works out for you. Plantar Fasciitis is a serious problem. When I had it I literally got tired of stretching my foot and then I stretched it some more. Thankfully it has never returned and I still stretch my foot.
Thank you. And I thank everybody else for their input . As I have written several times, I will talk to my Dr's, again, this week to get more clarity on all and what is the best for me. I'm just someone that hardly ever takes meds unless I can't avoid it. So it goes without saying that I would never take any drugs solely based on advise from people that don't know me or my history. I will admit, I initially phrased my post incorrect but then rephrased it. All I was asking in my rephrased post is what people's experience was in regard to Voltaren versus Ibuprofen , simply because it seems many of us do take some form of meds for pain relief during the Camino . I also am aware that everybody is different and will respond different to meds. What works for one may not not work for someone else. But as Robo said in an earlier response:Talking to a pharmacist is also an option for advice on medications. He or she can discuss with you the pros and cons of any medication. You should take meds on the advice of your MD, nurse practitioner and can ask advice from a pharmacist, and if you have questions (even about Voltarin) asking these professionals is fine. They like people to know they welcome questions (so the pharmacists I've talked to have told me). Taking advice about pharmaceuticals without the other person knowing your medical history is dangerous, even for NSAIDS; these can have (sometimes serious) health risks for some people.
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Thank you. And I thank everybody else for their input . As I have written several times, I will talk to my Dr's, again, this week to get more clarity on all and what is the best for me. I'm just someone that hardly ever takes meds unless I can't avoid it. So it goes without saying that I would never take any drugs solely based on advise from people that don't know me or my history. I will admit, I initially phrased my post incorrect but then rephrased it. All I was asking in my rephrased post is what people's experience was in regard to Voltaren versus Ibuprofen , simply because it seems many of us do take some form of meds for pain relief during the Camino . I also am aware that everybody is different and will respond different to meds. What works for one may not not work for someone else. But as Robo said in an earlier response:
"It's interesting to hear how others coped with or prevented injuries with meds. But before we decide on our own plans of what to take, professional advice makes sense."
That's all
Next thing you'll be trying to convince me Charlie Darwin was on the right track.
Regards
Gerard
My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
So glad it's helping John, I have a good friend with this condition and she has suffered so much with it. Nothing seems to have helped and believe me, she's tried them all. The doctor says the only thing now is resting it. Very difficult for someone so active.I too have Plantar Fascitis and have had it for a long time. All I can say is, without Voltaren I truly believe I would not be a happy pilgrim
In Spain what you call Voltarin is called Voltadol.Here's my experience @Dutchwalk53. I developed debilitating tendinitis three weeks into my Camino. On the doctor's advice I rested for five days, and then continued. But I was really struggling and nearing despair, as I had no Plan B and going home at that point was not an option. A very kind peregrina offered me her prescription Voltarin meds (8% active ingredient, as I recall). Within two hours I noticed a difference and two days later I was completely pain free, and I was able to complete my Camino. Would I advise anyone to do as I did? No, I would not.
Voltaren was very helpful. (and still is) - prefer creme to oral meds.My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
Voltadol eh?In Spain what you call Voltarin is called Voltadol.
Fisiocrem Solugel is very popular with physios here in Australia. Mine prefers it to Voltaron and any other NSAIDs if it will work for you.Voltaren was very helpful. (and still is) - prefer creme to oral meds.
in a farmacia in Caldo di Reis i was recommended FISIOCREM - apparently containing more natural ingredients. Also liked that one a lot. helpful and soothing.
And I also use Arnica montana - creme and homeopathic dosage/pellets.
can't handle cortison and such 'big cannons' , so i have to find other options... luckily there are.
Buen camino. and of course - do take it easy the first several days/week.
In Spain you can get both Voltaren and Ibuprofen topical gels. They are both NSAIDs - non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. Ibuprofen gel is not available in the States. Just as with oral drugs, different people will have different results. Voltaren gel in the States requires an Rx and is very expensive - in Spain both are available without an Rx and inexpensive. My wife was given some Voltaren but didn't feel it helped. The ibuprofen gel on the other hand worked very well for her. In fact she brought home a half dozen tubes since as pharmacists we knew it was not available here. The drug is absorbed thru the skin and bypasses the stomach thus avoiding upset stomach. Just as with the oral NSAIDs you should not combine with other NSAIDs - stick with one only or neither may work.My podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
I used Arnica which is a more natural form and found it most helpful.
Here's my experience @Dutchwalk53. I developed debilitating tendinitis three weeks into my Camino. On the doctor's advice I rested for five days, and then continued. But I was really struggling and nearing despair, as I had no Plan B and going home at that point was not an option. A very kind peregrina offered me her prescription Voltarin meds (8% active ingredient, as I recall). Within two hours I noticed a difference and two days later I was completely pain free, and I was able to complete my Camino. Would I advise anyone to do as I did? No, I would not.
Hello Icacos, The kind perigrina... Was her name Jaqueline from Quebec?Here's my experience @Dutchwalk53. I developed debilitating tendinitis three weeks into my Camino. On the doctor's advice I rested for five days, and then continued. But I was really struggling and nearing despair, as I had no Plan B and going home at that point was not an option. A very kind peregrina offered me her prescription Voltarin meds (8% active ingredient, as I recall). Within two hours I noticed a difference and two days later I was completely pain free, and I was able to complete my Camino. Would I advise anyone to do as I did? No, I would not.
I didn't get the name of my kind peregrina, but I know she and her husband were from Alberta. My companions and I met them when we stopped for breakfast the day I resumed my Camino after my doctor-advised-five-day-rest; they could see I was struggling. Two days later, my companions and I stopped at a bar and there they were again at a nearby table. They said they had been watching out for us, and my peregrina gave me some of her Voltaren gel. A Camino angel.....The kind perigrina... Was her name Jaqueline from Quebec?
Is there a story about Jaqueline from Quebec?..... Was her name Jaqueline from Quebec?
It did miracles for my shin splintsMy podiatrist gave me Voltaren cream when I got my Cortisone injection last week for my Plantar Fasciitis. Who of you used Voltaren and how beneficial was it ? Did it work better then regular Ibuprofen?
The story goes thatIs there a story about Jaqueline from Quebec?
Jaqueline is my beloved sister, a veterant of many camino, she met a lady from BC who called her a camino Angel because she gifted her some Voltaren cream. I thought it would have been a great coincidence if it was you. I will be on my first Camino this coming Sept. I booked Hostel Beilari in SJPP for the 4th and 5th to recuperate (coming from Quadra Island) and the 5th is booked at Orisson! Normaly I would not be so "cautious" and plan ahead but I truly want to chill and smell the roses and get my groundings so to speak on arrival, after that I am totally trusting...Is there a story about Jaqueline from Quebec?
That lady from BC may yet show up on the forum.Jaqueline is my beloved sister, a veterant of many camino, she met a lady from BC who called her a camino Angel because she gifted her some Voltaren cream. I thought it would have been a great coincidence if it was you. I will be on my first Camino this coming Sept. I booked Hostel Beilari in SJPP for the 4th and 5th to recuperate (coming from Quadra Island) and the 5th is booked at Orisson! Normaly I would not be so "cautious" and plan ahead but I truly want to chill and smell the roses and get my groundings so to speak on arrival, after that I am totally trusting...
I am still very new posting on this amazing forum and I think I might be "hijicking"?
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