Priscillian
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- Frances 1999, Aragones 2000, Desde Le Puy 2002, Portuguese 2009, hoping RDLP 2014
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oursonpolaire said:I didn't answer your question "What is a true pilgrim," but I don't think that there is an answer.
Re: I'm agnostic, should i be going?
New postby Priscillian on 27 Oct 2012, 00:02
Never thought I would quote it but:
Lovely Gypsy man to Tom (Martin Sheen) in The Way:
"Religion has nothing to do with it"
Funny thing that.....
then we react - often in negative ways- because we feel that this is the very antithesis of what a 'pilgrimage' should be.I have been asked, “You mean you are going to prey on other pilgrims who most likely don’t have a lot of food or money to spare anyway.” The answer is yes! . . . . .
I can see where you're coming from. I do think we should have space on the forum to go beyond socks and boots etc, though.rickster said:I think this forum would be better served to stick with discussions on packing, transportation, allergies, blister treatment, and ways that can truly transfer opinionated, knowledge and experience
that the recipient can decide to use or not. Just because we successfully made a long walk or several long walks doesn't make us a professional psychologist or someone worthy of defining who a pilgrim truly is or who is morally right or wrong. Frankly, I don't really care whether you call me a true pilgrim even though I've walked from SJPdP to Santiago with a pack on my back and for spiritual reasons. In fact the pilgrims from 500 years ago would probably call everyone on the forum a tourist.
It's the process, the experience, the relationships, the feelings of accomplishments by our own standards, not the definitions or the judgements. That is my humble opinion.
grayland said:The replies are getting a bit overheated. A reminder to keep it civil and to refrain from personal attacks
sagalouts said:,if they get out of hand our dear Moderators ( blue meanies) can always step in with their CAPITAL LETTERS :roll:
Ian
I think that in responding to the OP's question, a wide range of views were offered. I think the moderators were very generous in their interpretation of the third Forum Rule, ienewfydog said:So, it didn't actually create much controversy. We all think it is a bad idea!
3) Do not criticise the way others make their pilgrimage and do not tell them how to behave or what to do.
I fully agree.Tincatinker said:[...]To me Reb has hit a pertinent nail, this is a stunt - not a pilgrimage.
Kitsambler said:Why was there such a vehement response? Let me count the ways.
- Judgementalism
- Self righteousness
- The urge to apply one's own frame of reference to others
- The tendency to perceive a different point of view in the worst possible light
- Low tolerance for ambiguity
jimkaszynski said:First, I am not wealthy: I live on $870 a month in a one-room apartment here in Thailand. I have spent the past 50 years doing volunteer work, and I continue to do so today. I have discovered that the reward of helping others far exceeds any paychecks I have ever received.
I will be camping out during the whole trip, and my only need will be food. I WILL NOT be asking anyone for money. If someone chooses to share some of their food with me, I will accept it.
I'm not sure that I understand what you mean here. I take the view that it is impossible to tell what motivates people directly, but that conversations and observed behaviours give a good, but not necessarily complete, indication to these things.renegadepilgrim said:That being said, to respond to Tracy's original question: There is no such thing as a true pilgrim because no one can truly know another persons motivations
dougfitz said:He is like one those annoying shock-jocks. One listens to them not because one might be even remotely interested in agreeing with them, but to see what amazingly outrageous thing they will say next.
dougfitz said:One listens to them not because one might be even remotely interested in agreeing with them, but to see what amazingly outrageous thing they will say next.
Grease said:Being what I would personally refer to as an “outsider”, having not done the “Camino” …Yet!
Annie,Anniesantiago said:I'm not sure qualifications for pilgrimage include the agreement, support, or permission from anyone else, on where you're going or what you're doing, or how you're doing it? To my knowledge there is no set of guidelines or permission slips an adult must sign first?
Because we disagree with you on this person's motives we lack charity, love, and support? Somehow that seems harsh to me.This forum is beginning to feel way off base to me.
The kind words, the charity, the love, the support ... is all dissipating.
daesdaemar said:IMHO it's very simple. Charity should go to the ones in need. It should not go to someone pretending to be in need. Every bit of food or money that goes to him, should have gone to someone who really needs it. He is, in effect, stealing that charity.
daesdaemar said:IMHO it's very simple. Charity should go to the ones in need. It should not go to someone pretending to be in need. Every bit of food or money that goes to him, should have gone to someone who really needs it. He is, in effect, stealing that charity.
It is stunning the aggravation by some to get attention, rejection at that!!!A man's quest to overcome his fear of rejection by making at least one crazy request a day for 100 days was throttled last week when a Krispy Kreme employee accepted his order for five doughnuts linked together in the colors and shape of the Olympic symbol.
"It's only my third day and I have already failed," Jia Jiang wrote on his 100 Days of Rejection Therapy blog. "But I did so with such amazement and happiness."
When the 31-year-old approached the register to make his "specialized" doughnut order, Jackie Braun, a shift leader at an Austin, Texas, Krispy Kreme, asked him when he would need it.
"In the next 15 minutes," Jiang replied.
"I was honestly just hoping for a 'no' and to go home," Jiang told Yahoo News in an interview on Monday.
Instead, Braun spent several minutes using the back of some receipt paper to diagram the unusual order.
"Let me see what I can do," she said.
Fifteen minutes later, she emerged with a Krispy Kreme box with the glazed Olympic ring arrangement inside—and, astonishingly, did not charge Jiang for it.
"It wasn't exactly what he wanted," Braun told Yahoo News. "To my eyes, it wasn't perfect, so I didn't think I should charge him for it. It was the best I could do in the time allotted."
"Wow, Jackie, I'm a fan," Jiang told her, on behalf of everyone in America.
Braun, though, said she didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
"It was a simple thing," Braun, who's been with Krispy Kreme for five years, said. "The Olympic symbol was the only unusual part, because they're not on TV right now. But we do orders like that every day. We're here to make people happy."
Ptrskier said:It amazes me that people get so upset with Jim's idea. Most who criticize think they own the road of the camino . It's for everybody so lighten up !! Jim does not need your negative advice find something else to complain about ! You are all so negative !
ffp13 said:I will agree with you on one point, there are many on this forum that are quick to challenge anyone whose Camino does not conform to their own views.
falcon269 said:
But that's the point, he does have money. He is not giving it away, nor is he taking the "ascetic" path. He was planning to ask other people to provide for him while he keeps his own money safely at home.Daxzentzu said:No money, no problem.
It's not for me to preach about anybody's camino. If a person chooses to take an ascetic path then go for it.
Dax
It appears that No Money Pilgrim is staying at the Little Fox House, for no money, but he is working for his keep ( just as many volunteer hospitalro do) I have in previous posts been critical of the no money concept, but I concede that working for your keep is not taking charity,Priscillian said:If I am still member of this Forum by the end of the day, I will tell you a little about him.
TS
But he did not!! Read his Facebook posts.keeping true to his wish to complete his Camino without money.
falcon269 said:But he did not!!
JabbaPapa said:What on EARTH has this man done, that you seem to be taking this so personally ?
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