10 reasons to use trekking poles

[Melensdad]

Just saw this, thought I would post it for anyone who didn't see the article or doesn't understand the utility of using poles to help you hike.

http://m.outdoorgearlab.com/a/11089/Ten-Reasons-for-Trekking-Poles

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

I am one of a minority of people who will not use trekking poles until I physically need them. I quite frankly think trekking poles are over used and usually un-nesseary unless an individual has a physical problem. They are great if you have a knee problem.

 

[MichaelSG]

I am one of a minority of people who will not use trekking poles until I physically need them. I quite frankly think trekking poles are over used and usually un-nesseary unless an individual has a physical problem. They are great if you have a knee problem.

I would agree with you normally but I once saw an article that clearly laid out ten good reasons why using trekking poles are good for you and it changed my mind. I wish I could find a link to that article as it was a pretty good summary of all the benefits of the poles.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

It is totally a matter of taste and comfort. I tend to be consumerist in my skepticism for products. I wonder how much of trekking poles is a fad and based on opinions developed by trekking pole manufacturers!

 

[dougfitz]

I am one of a minority of people who will not use trekking poles until I physically need them. I quite frankly think trekking poles are over used and usually un-nesseary unless an individual has a physical problem.

Wouldn't Ned Ludd have been proud of this! Trekking poles benefit anyone of any age and any fitness level prepared to use them properly. I wish I had been introduced to them earlier. Certainly they are a walking aid, and while clearly not necessary for most people, are a great benefit. I walk with and without them, but for trekking etc I would rather walk with them and extend the walking life of my joints than walk without them.

They are great if you have a knee problem.

They are, and for a great many other conditions affecting older walkers. But it seems to me one would be better off trying to avoid or reduce a potential problem in the first place rather than letting it affect you and then finding a remedy once it is too late to avoid.

It is totally a matter of taste and comfort. I tend to be consumerist in my skepticism for products. I wonder how much of trekking poles is a fad and based on opinions developed by trekking pole manufacturers!

I don't think so. Using poles makes good sense, and their use appears to be growing consistently. Most people I know using poles are not making some fashion statement, but looking for a practical walking aid. Some remain unconvinced about them, and that is fine too. But I don't think it is even remotely 'consumerist' to suggest people shouldn't use a tool that will benefit them.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Wouldn't Ned Ludd have been proud of this! Trekking poles benefit anyone of any age and any fitness level prepared to use them properly. I wish I had been introduced to them earlier. Certainly they are a walking aid, and while clearly not necessary for most people, are a great benefit. I walk with and without them, but for trekking etc I would rather walk with them and extend the walking life of my joints than walk without them.


They are, and for a great many other conditions affecting older walkers. But it seems to me one would be better off trying to avoid or reduce a potential problem in the first place rather than letting it affect you and then finding a remedy once it is too late to avoid.


I don't think so. Using poles makes good sense, and their use appears to be growing consistently. Most people I know using poles are not making some fashion statement, but looking for a practical walking aid. Some remain unconvinced about them, and that is fine too. But I don't think it is even remotely 'consumerist' to suggest people shouldn't use a tool that will benefit them.

I can see that you have "drunk the cool aid" with regard to trekking poles. The various manufacturers of trekking sticks will be well served by your zeal.

People who have knee trouble can benefit tremendously from the additional support. They certainly are useful for some people.

I found that using trekking sticks tended to put me into a less than optimal stance when walking. I do not like them and do not need them.

I hope to use crutches some day when I am old.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Wouldn't Ned Ludd have been proud of this! Trekking poles benefit anyone of any age and any fitness level prepared to use them properly. I wish I had been introduced to them earlier. Certainly they are a walking aid, and while clearly not necessary for most people, are a great benefit. I walk with and without them, but for trekking etc I would rather walk with them and extend the walking life of my joints than walk without them.


They are, and for a great many other conditions affecting older walkers. But it seems to me one would be better off trying to avoid or reduce a potential problem in the first place rather than letting it affect you and then finding a remedy once it is too late to avoid.


I don't think so. Using poles makes good sense, and their use appears to be growing consistently. Most people I know using poles are not making some fashion statement, but looking for a practical walking aid. Some remain unconvinced about them, and that is fine too. But I don't think it is even remotely 'consumerist' to suggest people shouldn't use a tool that will benefit them.

Ludd was more an opponent of technology. My position is that trekking poles are over marketed and over hyped. If you need tekking sticks, you can go make some using a tree or branch.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

I would agree with you normally but I once saw an article that clearly laid out ten good reasons why using trekking poles are good for you and it changed my mind. I wish I could find a link to that article as it was a pretty good summary of all the benefits of the poles.

I appreciate your sentiments. However, if you need to refer to "some article" that you recall "made sense" as opposed to having a cogent explanation of why they are useful, perhaps they are not as useful as you think.

They are definitely great for some people (older people with joint issues, etc.). From my experiences, especially seeing young robust people clicking and clacking along the trail, they are way over used.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Here is a good little article about the Pros AND Cons of trekking sticks:

http://www.slackpacker.com/trekking-poles.html

Wouldn't Ned Ludd have been proud of this! Trekking poles benefit anyone of any age and any fitness level prepared to use them properly. I wish I had been introduced to them earlier. Certainly they are a walking aid, and while clearly not necessary for most people, are a great benefit. I walk with and without them, but for trekking etc I would rather walk with them and extend the walking life of my joints than walk without them.


They are, and for a great many other conditions affecting older walkers. But it seems to me one would be better off trying to avoid or reduce a potential problem in the first place rather than letting it affect you and then finding a remedy once it is too late to avoid.


I don't think so. Using poles makes good sense, and their use appears to be growing consistently. Most people I know using poles are not making some fashion statement, but looking for a practical walking aid. Some remain unconvinced about them, and that is fine too. But I don't think it is even remotely 'consumerist' to suggest people shouldn't use a tool that will benefit them.

 

[dougfitz]

My position is that trekking poles are over marketed and over hyped. If you need tekking sticks, you can go make some using a tree or branch.

I am an advocate of trekking poles, which I happily admit, but that doesn't mean I am uncritical of their use. I certainly haven't drunk the kool aid, as you so quaintly put it. Yes, manufacturers and retailers will advertise their wares. You demonstrate a certain prejudice in suggesting they are over-hyped, rather than accepting this might be normal marketing behaviour.

Using a wooden pole is clearly an option, and clearly many people use this more traditional approach. It won't have the advantages that the features of a technical walking pole will bring, and I will continue to point that out. I am equally happy to accept that these advances are not always without deleterious side effects. But rejecting them on the basis of the marketing behaviour of their manufacturers and retailers is hardly offering a critical and insightful rebuttal of the case made for the use of technical poles.

 

[Tia Valeria]

More people seem to carry them than use them, and many of those using them don't really seem to use them 'properly'. We will stick to our single wooden stick each (pun intended) and not have the hassle (for us) of walking poles or their extra weight on our backs.
It also means we can still hold hands at times....

 

[dougfitz]

Here is a good little article about the Pros AND Cons of trekking sticks:

http://www.slackpacker.com/trekking-poles.html

This is a great article, perhaps more balanced in its criticism of poles than the article @Melensdad pointed us to at the start of this thread. I would not disagree with any of the issues that it raises. It is worth reading, but also worth quoting the conclusion here:

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is this... poleless hiking is great for the slackpacker, the guy who keeps his days short and rushes to get to his SUV when the sun starts to go down. But the hiking community actually consists of a wide range of outdoorsmen, some quite capable and dedicated, who don't need or deserve your criticism nearly as much as they need and deserve the comfort, safety and versatility of their trekking poles.​

 

[MichaelSG]

Here is a good little article about the Pros AND Cons of trekking sticks:

http://www.slackpacker.com/trekking-poles.html

There were cons listed? I think I saw some issues raised but they weren't really cons, were they? I mean, if I end up carrying an extra half kg that helps me stay steady and balanced on parts of the trail, I'm okay with that. It's not that often, compared to the number of steps I take, that I want to take a photo or a drink of water but when I do, I have gotten quite adept at using those handy little straps on the end of the sticks to multitask properly. I also took a two minute class to learn how to use the poles properly which seems to mitigate the other issues. That all said, I only use my poles on about 10% of the trail. My wife uses hers every step of the way. She didn't do any research, it was just recommended to her by an experienced friend. She tried them out on practice hikes and greatly preferred them. Sadly though, she couldn't find poles in the proper shade of yellow to match the rest of her gear. After all, it's all about fashion statements, no?

 

[koknesis]

I do not like them and do not need them. ….
….
I hope to use crutches some day when I am old.

indeed, some people do not like poles and this is fine. however I hope that daily exercises with poles will save me from using crutches when I get really old

 

[Houlet]

Personally I have never used them but each to their own.

Applying common sense, it takes approx. the same amount of energy to walk a specific route whichever way you do it.

Whatever energy or strain you may save your legs has to be transferred somewhere else on the body.

The added balance etc. are of course pluses but for me the carrying and possibly losing the things outweigh the advantages.

 

[dougfitz]

Applying common sense, it takes approx. the same amount of energy to walk a specific route whichever way you do it.

The objective evidence is that using poles uses more energy. It is one of the 'cons' of pole use.

Whatever energy or strain you may save your legs has to be transferred somewhere else on the body.

This is true, but it's not a bad thing to redistribute some of the load.

for me the carrying and possibly losing the things outweigh the advantages

This is another classic 'con'. If you carry them rather than use them, they are a burden and not an aid. I must admit I find it difficult to understand how you might lose a set of poles. They are not something that is going to slip behind the mattress at an albergue and be left behind!

 

[Houlet]

This is another classic 'con'. If you carry them rather than use them, they are a burden and not an aid. I must admit I find it difficult to understand how you might lose a set of poles. They are not something that is going to slip behind the mattress at an albergue and be left behind!

While walking in the UK I've come across all sorts of items of clothing, sunglasses, flasks, maps, and even a tent complete in its bag. Accepted, I have not found any poles......yet.

 

[Chris Gallacher]

Although I have only used Nordic walking poles for fitness and exercise in the past, I have decided to take compact, ultra lightweight poles (290 grams the pair) on my camino next week for extra stability when its slippery and to ease the pressure on my knees when going downhill. However, I do not intend on using the poles all the time, for instance when its flat. A week or so ago I tested my poles out and now wonder why I haven't use them before. At the end of the day its up to the individual to decide if he or she wants to use poles.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

They are great if you have a knee problem.

And great for preventing knee problems later in life! There is a payback for sugar, smoking, sloth, envy, and joint abuse.

Not every reward is received today...

 

[Felice]

Until we started to plan for our Camino, I thought that trekking poles were an irritating affectation. Their clack - clack - clack on tarmac drives me mad.

Then I met an obviously retired gentleman just returned from a walk, with 2 poles, and I asked him how useful he found his poles. His reply was that it enabled him to go at least a couple of miles further than if he walked without.

So when I found that my daughter had a pair of Nordic walking poles, I borrowed them and was converted! It took me ages to find poles I really liked. In the end I bought Black Diamond z-poles. They have a wider wrist strap than many which I prefer - it lets my wrist take the pressure rather than my hands or thumb. I have never ever got a blister from these poles. Also they have a rubbed tipped point option so they are much quieter than poles without a rubber shoe though not as quiet as a proper Nordic walking pole rubber shoe.

I used my poles everyday for 30 days when I walked the camino. I never stowed them and on the few rare occasions that I did not feel like using them I crossed them behind my back. I left them behind twice at the beginning when I was not yet fully devoted to them (both times I realised my loss within a minute of leaving).

The times when I most appreciated my poles were when I was going uphill - poles were like a second set of legs. On the flat, sometimes they were of limited use, but then when I was feeling fresh and full of energy, I found that I would get into a rhythm and would really 'motor' along effortlessly at an amazing pace (well, amazing for me) thanks to my poles, and it gave me quite a buzz.

On returning home, I found that I had got so used to walking with poles that I found it difficult to walk 'normally' and it took a week for my muscles to retune!

There's a nice cartoon post card that you can buy in Great Malvern, UK, where I live. It's titled 'Tackling the Malvern Ridge' (the Malvern Hills are like miniature mountains, with a ridge crest about 8 miles from end to end, though only 200m high. We refer to it sometimes as the vertical municipal park as it has so many well laid out paths). Anyway, the cartoon shows 2 serious climbers roped together with all the gear including trekking poles walking in one direction, whilst a lady with a dog on a lead is casually strolling from the other. I've always thought that it summed up the over use of gear rather neatly.

 

[Deleted member 3000]

it takes approx. the same amount of energy to walk a specific route whichever way you do it.

Yes, and if you can get some of the propulsive energy from your upper body, it spreads the load. Also, if you can absorb some of the damaging shock to ankles and knees to butt, back, and shoulders, the energy lost on impact can be used for propulsion.

Once again, I am baffled by those who want to talk others out of using trekking poles! It is a bit like coming out against a hat because it may make your brow sweat. Honestly, if you don't use trekking poles, you have no concept whatsoever of their benefits! I don't take advice from fish about using a bicycle.

 

[Kitsambler]

11. Reduces the swelling in hands, as they keep hands at a higher elevation. (At least for me. As always, your mileage may vary.)

 

[BamaVol]

I have found my trekking poles useful while ascending or descending. They help me stay balanced with a load on my back. They saved my life on one occasion when I stumbled on a trail in the Great Smoky Mountain National Forest. I dug in the pole as I went down and although it bent, it kept me from slipping over the side of a cliff. If I wasn't a convert before that, I certainly was afterwards. I continue to use them to help with weakness in the knees. and they give me confidence in the more rugged areas I hike.

 

[dougfitz]

11. Reduces the swelling in hands, as they keep hands at a higher elevation. (At least for me. As always, your mileage may vary.)

You would not be alone here. Keeping one's hands about the level of the waist and the forearms approximately level is a technique used in long distance walking and running as well. That said, I like my arms at much the same elevation as I am - its a bit of a stretch otherwise.

 

[robertt]

My first poles were given to me at the first gite out of Le Puy. Everyone there was pretty insistent I should take them. Walking in rough, scrambly Australian country it would never have occurred to me to use them, but my mind was open when I saw how others got along on the more open Camino.

After so many miles walked with those same poles, I'm still unsure if they are right for my slow, dawdling style. Being clumsy and bad at downhills I find they occupy hands which I would prefer to have free. I enjoy uphill walking, find it bracing, but the short, frequent steps don't require me to lean in or use arms. There have been those rare days when I felt like walking vigorously in flat terrain, and then I could glimpse the relevance of poles used properly.

As far as balancing goes, I would rather crouch and go slow than depend on a pointy metal pole for support in slippery conditions. Yet I've observed others use their poles to good effect in the same circumstances.

I think there are many people interested in the dynamics and speed of their walking, and they are often those interested in method and efficiency in other Camino matters. I've learned to respect these people and their advice...but I've also learned I'm not one of those people.

The upshot is that I won't be taking poles on my next Camino (Le Puy-Regordane-Arles???) but I would advise any pilg to give poles a try before deciding against. They seem right for most, just not for all. And probably not for this dawdler.

 

[CaminoDebrita]

I can see that you have "drunk the cool aid" with regard to trekking poles. The various manufacturers of trekking sticks will be well served by your zeal.

People who have knee trouble can benefit tremendously from the additional support. They certainly are useful for some people.

I found that using trekking sticks tended to put me into a less than optimal stance when walking. I do not like them and do not need them.

I hope to use crutches some day when I am old.

Don't ever hope to use crutches! Preserve yourself well by staying as fit as you can. Age is not synonymous with joint or physical problems, although we "old" people have put more wear and tear on our bodies, as we've used them longer.

I frequently see teenagers on crutches, who have done serious damage to ankles and knees. They use the under the arm crutches.

When a close relative had a serious injury in a car accident, necessitating a knee fusion and hip replacement, he used crutches. He was in his 40's. He used what is called a "Canadian crutch"--with a metal wrap around the forearm and a peg placed lower, so that he could use the crutches for a long time.

Many of the people on this forum may be, in your eyes, "old"--but what is old but a state of mind? It's fine that you don't like or need them, but a lot of the folks on the forum have done the camino so much that I personally listen with open ears. I don't think anyone hear is drinking Koolaid or zealous, particularly.

I absolutely do appreciate the seasoned walkers, and think that no matter how many mountains I've climbed (two serious mountains, and one live volcano, and several serious inclines and part of the PCT---along with lots of hiking throughout the Pac NW and overseas), I haven't done this long walk. Therefore, ears wide open, and respect to the seasoned pilgrims.

Just a thought.

 

[jostony]

You would not be alone here. Keeping one's hands about the level of the waist and the forearms approximately level is a technique used in long distance walking and running as well. That said, I like my arms at much the same elevation as I am - its a bit of a stretch otherwise.

Since using poles I no-longer find my hands swell up which is a real plus. As it has been cold in UK during winter training I have worn gloves with poles. Tried last week without and hands got terribly sweaty. Also afraid I will get blisters on hand - it's enough to worry about blisters on feet so definitely want to avoid that happening. Need thinner gloves so was considering golf gloves - do you have better glove option I can consider instead?

 

[SYates]

Try the kind of gloves some cyclists wear. Buen Camino! SY

 

[jostony]

Try the kind of gloves some cyclists wear. Buen Camino! SY

Thanks. Think I still have a pair somewhere will see if they are better now weather is improving. Tried them in winter but finger tips got very cold so switched to full gloves.

 

[SYates]

In May fingerless gloves, or better said, tip less gloves, should be fine. Buen Camino! SY

 

[jostony]

In May fingerless gloves, or better said, tip less gloves, should be fine. Buen Camino! SY

Thanks

 

[Rajy62]

Walking poles were made popular by "Nordic walking" where the main rationale is to bring your upper body into the walking motion in a significant way to achieve a fuller body exercise from walking. Most of the advantages listed here are secondary, imho.

Debating whether trekking poles have any real advantage is a moot point. It has been scientifically proven, by double blind studies. A 2010 study at McGill university concludes: "Nordic Walking is 125% more effective in improving gait speed among a rehabilitation population than Overground Walking. http://urbanpoling.com/mcgill_study/#top

I know people walk in those 5 finger socks alone. Does that mean boots are hype and over marketed. Most people would feel more comfortable using boots. Trekking poles would benefits a lot of people, whether they realize it or not is another question.

 

[dougfitz]

do you have better glove option I can consider instead?

In summer I use a fingerless outdoor glove. I have tried cycling gloves, but found there was too much padding for my liking. I still have a tendency to blister at one of the pressure points on the palm of my hand, but the skin hardens up after a couple of days, and then isn't a problem.

 

[BamaVol]

Since using poles I no-longer find my hands swell up which is a real plus. As it has been cold in UK during winter training I have worn gloves with poles. Tried last week without and hands got terribly sweaty. Also afraid I will get blisters on hand - it's enough to worry about blisters on feet so definitely want to avoid that happening. Need thinner gloves so was considering golf gloves - do you have better glove option I can consider instead?

I have a pair of glove liners that I wear in winter unless it's very cold (not too likely here in Florida). They are thin, synthetic material of some kind. I've had them for years so they have worn quite well.

 

[koknesis]

.... Also afraid I will get blisters on hand - it's enough to worry about blisters on feet so definitely want to avoid that happening. Need thinner gloves so was considering golf gloves - do you have better glove option I can consider instead?

foam grips theoretically should not cause blisters. if your poles have rubber or cork grips, you may consider to wrap some tennis overgrip tape on them. at least for me this works.

 

[dougfitz]

foam grips theoretically should not cause blisters. if your poles have rubber or cork grips, you may consider to wrap some tennis overgrip tape on them. at least for me this works.

I got two small blisters on one hand and one on the other last weekend using poles with foam grips. I don't know what the theory is, but I walked 72km over the two days in a total of 14 hours, so probably a bit more than one might do on the camino. I suspect that in this case, continually using the poles was more a factor than the grip material.

 

[SYates]

..., but I walked 72km over the two days in a total of 14 hours, so probably a bit more than one might do on the camino. ....

Yeah, a bit ;-) Where you training / doing the Valvanerada? SY

 

[dougfitz]

No, it was the two long 'officials' walks' for the Canberra Walking Festival. I won't be able to do these at the end of the month, so I was allowed to walk with the officials, who do the walks early to qualify themselves, and as a check walk.

 

[Kitsambler]

I use these gloves from Manzella when it is chilly:
http://www.rei.com/product/873205/manzella-silkweight-windstopper-ultra-touchtip-gloves-womens

 

[t2andreo]

In May fingerless gloves, or better said, tip less gloves, should be fine. Buen Camino! SY

If fingerless cycling gloves are "too much," see if you can find a pair of microfiber fishing gloves. They are very thin, half-fingered, usually have grippy dots in the palms, and are perfect to use with poles. In all but the coldest weather, these are my go to gloves.

They improve my grip, cushion the impact slightly, and keep my hands warm in the cold and cool in the warm (transpiration). They also typically have an SPF 30 or higher rating.

I would look for a specialist fishing shop near you or search for them online. Mine were from a US company called Field and Stream. I am very happy with them.

I hope this helps.

 

[koknesis]

I got two small blisters on one hand and one on the other last weekend using poles with foam grips. I don't know what the theory is, but I walked 72km over the two days in a total of 14 hours, so probably a bit more than one might do on the camino. I suspect that in this case, continually using the poles was more a factor than the grip material.

foam grips are thought to wick off the moisture. since poles I use have cork grips, I cannot confirm how good this works in practice for long distance walks. the brand new poles I picked for the last year CF walking had combined cork/plastic grip, which perhaps would wear in with time, but I wanted kind of softer touch from very beginning. wrapping the grips with a tennis overgrip tape worked really well. the daily distance was in range from 25km to 48km, 37km in average. consumed two sets of rubber 'paws'.

 

[jostony]

I have a pair of glove liners that I wear in winter unless it's very cold (not too likely here in Florida). They are thin, synthetic material of some kind. I've had them for years so they have worn quite well.

I assume there is no padding so is there a danger I will suffer with hand blisters?

 

[jostony]

If fingerless cycling gloves are "too much," see if you can find a pair of microfiber fishing gloves. They are very thin, half-fingered, usually have grippy dots in the palms, and are perfect to use with poles. In all but the coldest weather, these are my go to gloves.

They improve my grip, cushion the impact slightly, and keep my hands warm in the cold and cool in the warm (transpiration). They also typically have an SPF 30 or higher rating.

I would look for a specialist fishing shop near you or search for them online. Mine were from a US company called Field and Stream. I am very happy with them.

I hope this helps.

That's a good idea will explore this option too. Thanks

 

[jostony]

I use these gloves from Manzella when it is chilly:
http://www.rei.com/product/873205/manzella-silkweight-windstopper-ultra-touchtip-gloves-womens

Do these also wick moisture, offer any padding for blister prevention? Perhaps I am looking for perfect glove which doesn't exist

 

[jostony]

In summer I use a fingerless outdoor glove. I have tried cycling gloves, but found there was too much padding for my liking. I still have a tendency to blister at one of the pressure points on the palm of my hand, but the skin hardens up after a couple of days, and then isn't a problem.

Thanks. I suppose if I get a hand blister it is usual treatment options

 

[Kitsambler]

Do these also wick moisture, offer any padding for blister prevention?

They dry very quickly; and there is no padding (which would retain water and take longer to dry).

Perhaps I am looking for perfect glove which doesn't exist

Perhaps

 

[Damien Reynolds]

The other day after busting out my poles for the first time again, prepping for the next Camino, I came to the conclusion that 90% of the time walking with trekking poles is similar to (though not dramatic as) walking on one of those moving sidewalks at the airport. You get a little extra push to speed you along.

The other 10% of the time it is like walking with handrails, extra safety and precaution when dealing with vertical changes in either direction, and the occasional precarious stream / puddle / muddy path crossing.

You know when you are on a hike and you have to cross some little brook by balancing on rocks so as to avoid soaking your feet? Well, poles make that about 1000 times easier. I would say that depending on the weather and your route, that happens about once a day or so on the Camino.

I'm a fan of them.

 

[Dutch]

One reason NOT to use trekking poles:

CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK..................

 

[dougfitz]

One reason NOT to use trekking poles:

CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK CLICK CLACK..................

That isn't a reason for not using poles. It is a reminder to be more considerate and replace the worn out rubber tips. They are not expensive, and easy to remove if you need to extra traction of the bare pole tip.

 

[Dutch]

A joke, Doug, it was a Joke. Don't be so serious all the time.

 

[jostony]

Hi

I bought some Leki walking (fingerless) gloves on the Camino (Vanna) as i kept sweating off my sunscreen and my hands got a bit burnt.

Oh my gosh! There were amazing! They kept my hands cool and no sunburn.

With regards to blisters. I did get a blister using a ordinary treking pole on my first Camino. I ended up using a sock to stop it. Plasters kept coming off.

On my second Camino I had Pacer Poles....and no irritation at all. Even before I got the gloves.

Thanks for advice - will try these out. Cycling gloves are too chunky.

 

[jostony]

They dry very quickly; and there is no padding (which would retain water and take longer to dry).

Perhaps

Thanks for help

 

[Kitsambler]

One reason NOT to use trekking poles: CLICK CLACK

This has nothing to do with the poles. It has to do with the rubber tips comma the absence thereof. And the ignorance/laziness/cluelessness of pole owners who don't install rubber tips on their poles.

 

[dougfitz]

A joke, Doug, it was a Joke. Don't be so serious all the time.

This has nothing to do with the poles. It has to do with the rubber tips comma the absence thereof. And the ignorance/laziness/cluelessness of pole owners who don't install rubber tips on their poles.

Sorry @Dutch! It is one thing about pole use that does get on my goat. It costs a few dollars to get replacement tips, yet so many people don't.

 

[Dutch]

Very true. The click clack click clack click clak gets to you then

 

[dougfitz]

Very true. The click clack click clack click clak gets to you then

For me - its one of the least defensible aspects of pole use.

 

[Mysticl]

My daughter is young ... and ACTIVE but recently she started having knee issues probably as a result from many years using her longboard as a method of transportation. I recently bought her pacer poles to help her knee when hiking and she was AMAZED at how much better her knees were ... and she now uses them for all hikes ignoring the geek factor (her words) ... her knee will likely eventually get better but I doubt she will ever stop using poles at least on her more rugged hikes. I firmly believe if people used poles when they were young and fit they could avoid a lot of those age related issues with knees and joints. I know that I cannot walk any distance without pain if I am not using my poles but as far as I can tell there are no limits if I do use them. I walk straighter, taller, faster with more confidence ... they help me power up inclines and absolutely shine on the declines ... uneven ground is a snap as I use my poles for balance and to cross tricky terrain. My arms get a workout and I not only save 20-30% wear and tear on knees hips and joints I also burn a few more calories in the process by using my upper body more ... not something I count on or can measure but the thought makes me happy just the same. For those that care I do use rubber tips (big ones) and I will be bringing spare tips with me just in case I lose one on the way or wear them out The clacking would drive me crazy too ... even if it was ME making the noise ... no way I could inflict that on any one else ... responsible pole use requires rubber tips

 

[koknesis]

amazing thread indeed! i wish everybody happy pole walking! but once you feel comfortable to use them, there is more you can do. for instance just put some wrist weights on. 1kg each is enough to see how your deltoids and pectoralis major will start growing in no time. just some lame 5km daily. works for the ladies too

 

[t2andreo]

A joke, Doug, it was a Joke. Don't be so serious all the time.

Noooo! You need to understand that Doug has one setting...serious...

Doug is my touchstone. If what I write passes his muster, then I am spot on. He is however, one of the veterans of this forum who consistently provides accurate, reliable information. So, I recommend just learning to live with his unusually dry wit...

 

[CaminoDebrita]

Do any of you have problems keeping wrist straps on the Z Poles by Black diamond? Have you done something different to make them stay on, or is there some cool jerry rigging trick?

 

[dougfitz]

Noooo! You need to understand that Doug has one setting...serious...

Even so, I need the occasional reminder from @Dutch and others not to let too much levity creep into my posts.

 

[koknesis]

Do any of you have problems keeping wrist straps on the Z Poles by Black diamond? Have you done something different to make them stay on, or is there some cool jerry rigging trick?

had to consult my daughter who uses Z-poles, so I would just put them on like any ordinary straps.

 

[Annie G]

I've just started using poles and absolutely love them! After five knee surgeries I'm not looking for a sixth. One question though regarding use of the straps: are they necessary? I read somewhere that they can actually be dangerous in that one could dislocate a shoulder in a fall.

 

[Theatregal]

I've just started using poles and absolutely love them! After five knee surgeries I'm not looking for a sixth. One question though regarding use of the straps: are they necessary? I read somewhere that they can actually be dangerous in that one could dislocate a shoulder in a fall.

I find poles indispensable and the straps very useful - especially if stopping to take a photo or drink water. The poles can just dangle from the wrist and it saves having to drop the poles or find somewhere to prop them.

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Trekking poles add weight, which means one will have to expend more energy while using them.

Trekking poles scar the trail. Along some trails I have seen scratches on rocks and gouges on the trail.

Trekking poles are often misused. If you lack proper technique, you will just be wasting energy without significant benefit to yer joints.

I prefer not to use 'em. You shouldn't either. However, you may find them useful. A small minority of people seem to think they are really useful.

Also, people will always know you are coming because of that insect like clacking that you will make as you walk; broadcasting your devotion to trekking poles.

Bon Caminho!

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

Those straps can be a killer. Lemme tell yah!

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

On the Appalachian Trail, I was in the minority in my pole-less hiking. I fully appreciate the benefit, but I think trekking poles are annoying and not for me. I did the whole AT ME/GA with no poles. I did find an old metal broom handle that I used as a trekking staff for about 70 miles in Maine. It was great in the Mahoosics.

Don't ever hope to use crutches! Preserve yourself well by staying as fit as you can. Age is not synonymous with joint or physical problems, although we "old" people have put more wear and tear on our bodies, as we've used them longer.

I frequently see teenagers on crutches, who have done serious damage to ankles and knees. They use the under the arm crutches.

When a close relative had a serious injury in a car accident, necessitating a knee fusion and hip replacement, he used crutches. He was in his 40's. He used what is called a "Canadian crutch"--with a metal wrap around the forearm and a peg placed lower, so that he could use the crutches for a long time.

Many of the people on this forum may be, in your eyes, "old"--but what is old but a state of mind? It's fine that you don't like or need them, but a lot of the folks on the forum have done the camino so much that I personally listen with open ears. I don't think anyone hear is drinking Koolaid or zealous, particularly.

I absolutely do appreciate the seasoned walkers, and think that no matter how many mountains I've climbed (two serious mountains, and one live volcano, and several serious inclines and part of the PCT---along with lots of hiking throughout the Pac NW and overseas), I haven't done this long walk. Therefore, ears wide open, and respect to the seasoned pilgrims.

Just a thought.

 

[Houlet]

And...... the rubber tips prevent them from inpaling fellow pilgrims. Many times I've had people with the poles tucked under their arms turning round and hitting me.

 

[Kanga]

I could not walk without trekking poles. My knees are shot, I'm virtually blind in one eye so have no depth perception, and my balance is atrocious. But out of a group of 12 friends my own age, I'm the only one who can walk long distances. I'm also the only one who is prepared to use poles. I also have a number of (male) friends who were athletes when younger and have had to have knee replacements. There is a causal relationship between putting stress on knees and the knees "wearing out" earlier than the rest of the body.

On a less serious note - here are some extra reasons for using trekking poles on camino:

1. Useful for defending oneself against predatory animals (male pilgrims and dogs).
2. Handy clothesline.
3. Good for pointing from a distance (as in "we're going that way").
4. Metal poles provide extra excitement during thunderstorms (another good reason for rubber tips).
5. Musical instrument for tapping out a rhythm.
6. Placed crosswise on a seat, used for saving a place in a crowded cafe.
7. Can be used with a poncho to make an emergency shelter from the sun for a siesta.
8. Excellent poking tool (for snorers).

 

[Rikkitikkitavi]

You can add to that list hunting implement. A fellow hiker used his pole to kill a wounded turkey he encountered out on the Appalachian Trail. From his report, the turkey was delicious.

I could not walk without trekking poles. My knees are shot, I'm virtually blind in one eye so have no depth perception, and my balance is atrocious. But out of a group of 12 friends my own age, I'm the only one who can walk long distances. I'm also the only one who is prepared to use poles. I also have a number of (male) friends who were athletes when younger and have had to have knee replacements. There is a causal relationship between putting stress on knees and the knees "wearing out" earlier than the rest of the body.

On a less serious note - here are some extra reasons for using trekking poles on camino:

1. Useful for defending oneself against predatory animals (male pilgrims and dogs).
2. Handy clothesline.
3. Good for pointing from a distance (as in "we're going that way").
4. Metal poles provide extra excitement during thunderstorms (another good reason for rubber tips).
5. Musical instrument for tapping out a rhythm.
6. Placed crosswise on a seat, used for saving a place in a crowded cafe.
7. Can be used with a poncho to make an emergency shelter from the sun for a siesta.
8. Excellent poking tool (for snorers).

 

[Walter1407]

Either use the poles properly (most people don't), or don't use them. They do have merits, but only if... Training is recommended for all those who don't do cross-country skiing.
If you walk with poles, you use about 10- 15% more energy for the same distance.
Poles can be dangerous if they are used incorrectly on difficult downhill routes. Since poles became popular, there have been more and more downhill hiking accidents in the Alps, with people tripping over the poles (and sometimes falling down mountain faces).

 

[CaminoDebrita]

I learn so much from this discussion. Until about two months ago, I had never used hiking poles. I've used such poles with X country skiing, so felt comfortable with them, and also, I find that as a 55-year-old, having them while doing downhills is really helping. I can step down so much more easily, and without having to rely on an old knee above that is having to bear too much weight, while landing on a foot/ankle/knee on the downside. Very helpful and I can definitely see the benefits with downhills.

With flats, I can go without some of the time and do okay, as long as I rest my hands in my back pack straps near my collarbone. I hate my hands swelling.

 

[Annie G]

Many hikers use poles around here. Never have I seen anyone impaled, gouged, fallen off mountain faces or used them as a hunting device. And there are plenty of wild turkeys in this neck of the woods. What I have seen are young, athletic men tripping over tree roots and falling on their arse because they weren't paying attention. Or "trail rats" (feral youth, usually female) walking 4-5 abreast yammering incessantly about nothing of any consequence whatsoever, again not paying attention to anything but themselves. What we have here (and elsewhere) is a major lapse in trail etiquette. Most hikers with poles are conscientious and attentive. Myself included.

 

[Melensdad]

On a less serious note - here are some extra reasons for using trekking poles on camino:

1. Useful for defending oneself against predatory animals (male pilgrims and dogs).

Is that not a redundant statement?

 

[C clearly]

There is so much emphasis on "using the poles properly" that it can be intimidating, even though it is valid. At one time I doubted myself, even though I had a technique that helped me with balance, rhythm and impact. Using the poles is NOT rocket science, and is straightforward if you are semi-coordinated, can find YouTube videos, and have the confidence to play around with the activity a bit.

By the way, I've concluded that rocket science isn't "rocket science" either. Like so many things, it is "one step at a time."

 

[Deleted member 3000]

I learn so much from this discussion.

And when you get tired of repetitive posts by the Debbie Downers, you can just click on the Ignore feature, and never risk reading them again!

 

[dougfitz]

There is so much emphasis on "using the poles properly" that it can be intimidating,

I know that I do, and I apologise if you found it intimidating. Using the straps properly, being able to adjust the length on the move and knowing when to use the rubber tip or not are the basics of 'proper use'. None of these are difficult, but as with many things, one gets more fluent at the techniques the more one practices.

 

[dougfitz]

With flats, I can go without some of the time and do okay, as long as I rest my hands in my back pack straps near my collarbone. I hate my hands swelling.

I just keep using the poles, but I have observed recently that competitors in long distance running and walking events also keep their hands raised. It is not all about reducing oedema, but it sure helps.

 

[Melensdad]

11. Reduces the swelling in hands, as they keep hands at a higher elevation. (At least for me. As always, your mileage may vary.)

OK if swelling of the hands is REASON #11 then this video is clearly REASON #12 to use trekking poles:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152125295015777

 

[CaminoDebrita]

And when you get tired of repetitive posts by the Debbie Downers, you can just click on the Ignore feature, and never risk reading them again!

Uh, okay. BTW, you may have noticed my name is Deb...Not sure "why" but your phrasing rankled me just a tad

 

[Deleted member 3000]

you may have noticed my name is Deb

I did not!! I liked your post on learning things, so I was referring to those who would have you NOT learn!

 

[Annie G]

I did not!! I liked your post on learning things, so I was referring to those who would have you NOT learn!

Speaking of learning things, I did look at some info about walking with poles, again. One site recommended removing your hands from the straps when traversing a particularly rough spot in the trail just in case you do fall. That would solve the 'dislocated shoulder' problem I asked about earlier -- or at least lessen the chance.

 

[t2andreo]

With regard to the original post regarding using straps on Black Diamond Trekking Poles, have a look at thisYou Tube video. I searched on "how to use Black Diamond trekking poles." A plethora of videos came up.

I hope this helps.

 

[Annie G]

With regard to the original post regarding using straps on Black Diamond Trekking Poles, have a look at thisYou Tube video. I searched on "how to use Black Diamond trekking poles." A plethora of videos came up.

I hope this helps.

The "plethora" of videos is the problem. Some say use the strap, some don't. I did find this video which I found to be more helpful.

 

[SeaHorse]

More people seem to carry them than use them, and many of those using them don't really seem to use them 'properly'. We will stick to our single wooden stick each (pun intended) and not have the hassle (for us) of walking poles or their extra weight on our backs.
It also means we can still hold hands at times....

Yes, for sure, if you cary the poles on your backs, that might qualify as not using properly.

 

[Chacharm]

What a strange thread! I don't care if you use the handles of your sticks to draw pictures in the dirt with. They're your poles and you may use them as you wish without "irritating" me. Or you can walk without them and I will not care, judge or notice.
Personally, I started without them. After a week my ankles and knees were killing me and terribly swollen. On the advice of the kindest and most experienced peregrino I ever met I bought some and was immediately moving along faster and easier and without the pain. He also showed me how to use them. Added benefit of my hands not being swollen, being able to maneuver over small creeks and down slippery slopes didn't hurt. When the tips on MY sticks wore out the click bothered me so I replaced them at the first opportunity. This trip I already have 4 extras in my pack.
It never occurred to me that there were people judging me for their use, imagining that I had been brainwashed by propaganda into using them! How funny! I didn't walk by people who were carrying theirs and think they were idiots, or by people using them out of step and feel irritation or any sense of superiority or by people clicking and become irritated by it.
Nor do I walk by people (mostly female or not) and think of them as "trail rats" because they are talking happily about things I consider to have no relevance or importance.
Honestly, if you're out hiking and feel a sense of superiority because another hiker/walker is using equipment you deem unnecessary or equipment you think they aren't using correctly or if you think they are too chatty with their friends...you might have issues that need addressing. Just a thought.

 

[Annie G]

What a strange thread! I don't care if you use the handles of your sticks to draw pictures in the dirt with. They're your poles and you may use them as you wish without "irritating" me. Or you can walk without them and I will not care, judge or notice.
Personally, I started without them. After a week my ankles and knees were killing me and terribly swollen. On the advice of the kindest and most experienced peregrino I ever met I bought some and was immediately moving along faster and easier and without the pain. He also showed me how to use them. Added benefit of my hands not being swollen, being able to maneuver over small creeks and down slippery slopes didn't hurt. When the tips on MY sticks wore out the click bothered me so I replaced them at the first opportunity. This trip I already have 4 extras in my pack.
It never occurred to me that there were people judging me for their use, imagining that I had been brainwashed by propaganda into using them! How funny! I didn't walk by people who were carrying theirs and think they were idiots, or by people using them out of step and feel irritation or any sense of superiority or by people clicking and become irritated by it.
Nor do I walk by people (mostly female or not) and think of them as "trail rats" because they are talking happily about things I consider to have no relevance or importance.
Honestly, if you're out hiking and feel a sense of superiority because another hiker/walker is using equipment you deem unnecessary or equipment you think they aren't using correctly or if you think they are too chatty with their friends...you might have issues that need addressing. Just a thought.

Sorry if I offended you about the "trail rats" comment. I only said it because some hikers appear to not pay attention to how their experience is affecting others on the trail. When I am being crowded into the bushes because someone or a group is hogging the path, I get irritated. And I do not think that I am assuming an air or superiority when I have that feeling. Just my thought.

 

[Chacharm]

Sorry if I offended you about the "trail rats" comment. I only said it because some hikers appear to not pay attention to how their experience is affecting others on the trail. When I am being crowded into the bushes because someone or a group is hogging the path, I get irritated. And I do not think that I am assuming an air or superiority when I have that feeling. Just my thought.

Not offended, exactly. Surprised. When I was on Camino I was walking with two women who were really interesting. One former military and another a civil rights attorney. We were talking about American politics one day when we passed a small group of gentlemen who had stopped for a snack and one of them turned to us and, putting his finger to his lips in a theatrical manner he 'shushed' us and rolled his eyes. The two women I was with were in their early 60s, I was in my late 40s. I can't tell you how enraging it was. The former military woman caught up to him later and just lit into him. He explained that our "chatter" was disturbing HIS walk. She explained to him that our "chatter" was going to pass him by - but his patriarchal behavior would stay with us for a long time. Honestly - it seems to me that if you want a solitary time in nature there are places other than public hiking/walking trails you can go where you can enjoy things on your own terms.

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

Since using poles I no-longer find my hands swell up which is a real plus. As it has been cold in UK during winter training I have worn gloves with poles. Tried last week without and hands got terribly sweaty. Also afraid I will get blisters on hand - it's enough to worry about blisters on feet so definitely want to avoid that happening. Need thinner gloves so was considering golf gloves - do you have better glove option I can consider instead?

As SY said , use ciclist cloves I do, they are great . Peter .

 

[jostony]

As SY said , use ciclist cloves I do, they are great . Peter .

The ones I have are really junky and hot. Are there thinner versions? Do you use fingerless version? Will have to go into shop and try different ones as I want something padded but thin and cool

 

[Rajy62]

The ones I have are really junky and hot. Are there thinner versions? Do you use fingerless version? Will have to go into shop and try different ones as I want something padded but thin and cool

Cyclist gloves are designed to hold on cold steel handles. If you can find a thinner version fine.
I used a simple polartec power stretch liner gloves in my first camino. It has four-way stretch, hugs your hands, very breathable, quick-drying and gives a bit of warmth as well. I didn't even cut the fingers off.
On my second camino i switched to a merino wool liner glove. Even better during rain, as wool keeps your hands warmer.
If you prefer fingerless, there are fingerless wool gloves as well. I use wool whenever i expect lot of rain.

 

[SYates]

The other ones you might want to look at are those used by sportive wheelchair users. Your local pharmacy/health care shop might help there, SY

 

[Rajy62]

I am taking my new possium merino gloves on my next Camino. This is an all purpose wool glove. Highly recommended by extended hikers. They also have a fingerless version. http://www.ecowool.com/fingerless-gloves-5635.html

 

[jostony]

I am taking my new possium merino gloves on my next Camino. This is an all purpose wool glove. Highly recommended by extended hikers. They also have a fingerless version. http://www.ecowool.com/fingerless-gloves-5635.htmlView attachment 16967

Thanks for helpful suggestion

 

[Annie G]

Not offended, exactly. Surprised. When I was on Camino I was walking with two women who were really interesting. One former military and another a civil rights attorney. We were talking about American politics one day when we passed a small group of gentlemen who had stopped for a snack and one of them turned to us and, putting his finger to his lips in a theatrical manner he 'shushed' us and rolled his eyes. The two women I was with were in their early 60s, I was in my late 40s. I can't tell you how enraging it was. The former military woman caught up to him later and just lit into him. He explained that our "chatter" was disturbing HIS walk. She explained to him that our "chatter" was going to pass him by - but his patriarchal behavior would stay with us for a long time. Honestly - it seems to me that if you want a solitary time in nature there are places other than public hiking/walking trails you can go where you can enjoy things on your own terms.

I'm not expecting everyone to cater to my personal enjoyment of nature. I'm actually quite a tolerant individual. However, I do believe that fellow hikers should be conscientious of trail etiquette. This does not mean that spirited conversation is forbidden. I do that myself. But it does not mean that such engagement should place other hikers in jeopardy. These girls that I referred to in my previous post were crowding the trail and not even looking at other hikers in their haste. I'm 68 and they were teenagers and I was going uphill. By all accounts, they should have yielded, that 's all.

I'm sorry you had such an unfortunate experience on your Camino. But I am not that man that chastised you and your acquaintances so don't include me in his camp please.

 

[SYates]

... I'm 68 and they were teenagers and I was going uphill. By all accounts, they should have yielded, that 's all. ...

Just a gentle reminder, just because you are older doesn't mean you have right of way. Buen Camino! SY

 

[Peter Fransiscus]

The ones I have are really junky and hot. Are there thinner versions? Do you use fingerless version? Will have to go into shop and try different ones as I want something padded but thin and cool

I use the fingerless versie . For me they are fine in use.

 

[Annie G]

Just a gentle reminder, just because you are older doesn't mean you have right of way. Buen Camino! SY

That is true. Just thought I'd throw that in for effect. I do yield to those going uphill regardless of their age.

 

[Houlet]

X@#£$%&!!!! I'd get zigged off if these young whipper snappers yielded to me!

But then I'm only wrinkley on the outside. (67 yo)

 

[dougfitz]

Just a gentle reminder, just because you are older doesn't mean you have right of way. Buen Camino! SY

It's a sort of hill walking practice to let those coming uphill to pass. Amongst other things, it is easier for those going downhill to restart after stopping.