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I really don't see how someone else spends their time on the Camino affects me.
Mmmmm watch out for those cycle bells- looks like the cyclists will be having their own Camino race from Madrid in July, if my basic Spanish has understood correctly:I may be late to the party with this story, but I just learned of it 20 minutes ago.
To me, it seems completely unnecessary.
http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
I don't think you have to look so far. Running events of all sorts have gained immense popularity over the last few decades and putting a track along historical, cultural or environmental landmarks is not unusual. There is an established annual Roncesvalles-Zubiri half marathon along the Camino de Santiago, btw, but I guess it has escaped global attention so far.CBS's show Amazing Race, which seems to be a model for this race.
I guess we will see how the Cathedral and Pilgrim Office justify these Compostelas as I think one would have to spin like Kellyann Conway to convince me of that these runners are "Making the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search".It's ten teams of ten, relay, so only ten people will be running at any given time. I don't think it will be so intrusive. And they are not using the albergues. If they get a cheat's compostela, they would hardly be the first!
It's similar to other publicized events - the recent Camino by the Sea project springs to mind - : the owners of the Compostela award system can hand them out as they see fit. Not to all and sundry but to the selected few who did not walk all of the last 100 km, did not have any need to make a secret out of it and were officially awarded their Compostelas.If they get a cheat's compostela, they would hardly be the first!
Oh, since the 600€ "buys" runners a pilgrim mass (which is free to all!) I wonder if the organisers have even looked into how they will secure these Compostelas. Just another commercial gimmik, selling what cannot be sold?... the owners of the Compostela award system can hand them out as they see fit. Not to all and sundry but to the selected few who did not walk all of the last 100 km, did not have any need to make a secret out of it and were officially awarded their Compostelas.
You could email them and ask. This event is being prepared since May 2016, it's sponsored by the Spanish Olympian Committee and the Xunta of Galicia. Maybe some of these sponsors know someone at the Cathedral? What do I know, I live far away ...I wonder if the organisers have even looked into how they will secure these Compostelas. Just another commercial gimmik, selling what cannot be sold?
Maybe I can ask if I go get a compostela after walking the Invierno in a few weeks? Someone has to try to keep the process honest.You could email them and ask. This event is being prepared since May 2016, it's sponsored by the Spanish Olympian Committee and the Xunta of Galicia. Maybe some of these sponsors know someone at the Cathedral? What do I know, I live far away ....
Since it involves the OC, perhaps,they will,be testing new performance enhancing drugs?It's also a race, but 'non-competitive'. Figure that one out.
We also have to remember that despite what the Camino is to those of us who are not Spaniards, it is part of the Spanish national identity, and theirs to do with what they want.
Oh dear.....
What can I say?
I may be late to the party with this story, but I just learned of it 20 minutes ago.
To me, it seems completely unnecessary.
http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
It does not only "belong" to Spain; it was recognised as the first European cultural route and is a UNESCO world heritage site. It is worth reading the UNESCO criteria for listing:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/669
Thanks @Kanga for posting this..... it was recognised as the first European cultural route and is a UNESCO world heritage site. It is worth reading the UNESCO criteria for listing:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/669
I don't care for this at all. Seems so counter intuitive. They now have ultra runners on my beloved AT, competing, seeing who is the fastest. The trails don't exist for that reason. Speed, records are for a fast paced society out there not for a comtemplative journey. Sad. I wonder who come up with this idea?I may be late to the party with this story, but I just learned of it 20 minutes ago.
To me, it seems completely unnecessary.
http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
I Like your post, and generally agree with your philosophy. However, I think dirt bikes would be a bridge-too-far for me. I guess everyone has their limit.I really don't see how someone else spends their time on the Camino affects me.
We can protest this!! Send emails to CORREO@COE.ES NOW!!!I may be late to the party with this story, but I just learned of it 20 minutes ago.
To me, it seems completely unnecessary.
http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
Just sent off my first protest letter. Please join in.Need all pilgrims to please send emails of protest to CORREO@COE.ES This needs to be shut down
I had not read that before. Thanks, it is well worth reading, and re-reading.It does not only "belong" to Spain; it was recognised as the first European cultural route and is a UNESCO world heritage site. It is worth reading the UNESCO criteria for listing:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/669
About a proposed race on the Camino see linkA bit more background info would be helpful ... what EXACTLY are you protesting about? BC SY
Yes it is. it is the Spanish Olympic committee pushing this agendaThis, SY.
So, Chuck--that address to send a letter to. Is it associated with the company that's organizing this, or....?
Sorry I didn't make myself better understood. It is the Spanish Olympic committee that come up with this brilliant idea. If you read the link you will see what a bunch of BS it is. The email address is to the olympic committee.Yes it is. it is the Spanish Olympic committee pushing this agenda
Need all pilgrims to please send emails of protest to CORREO@COE.ES This needs to be shut down
I have a very differing opinion but i don't care to get something started on this group. To each their own I guess.Horses for courses, I guess. I don't like the idea, but who I am to tell others how to do their Camino? BC SY
Good point (s) . thanks for sharing...i'll check out the petition thingyOk, if somebody sets up a well worded and polite petition at https://www.change.org/start-a-petition for example I sign and help to distribute the word. I don't think it is a good idea, but again I also don't think it is more than a 'one day fly' as we say in my native German and somebody that participates might actually discover the spirituality of the Camino. to paraphrase an old Camino saying 'Many have started as runners in Roncesvalles and have arrived as pilgrims in Santiago!'
BC SY
True that.even though the idea of racing camino sounds somehow weird, I do not think this activity will cause more inconvenience for walking pilgrims than speeding cyclists or school crowds kicking a ball in front of them. pax vobiscum.
I may be late to the party with this story, but I just learned of it 20 minutes ago.
To me, it seems completely unnecessary.
http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
LOL good oneAnd what about backpack lifting? To me, it looks as a good candidate for Olympic sport.
The Caminos came well before the current locals. In fact, the Caminos is what created these towns and cities along them. No Camino, no locals.I am fascinated by the level of agitation that this event is causing. I wonder did the locals who were using the paths for whatever commercial/social reason they originally had look aghast at the first pilgrim(or the first modern day pilgrim with a backpack) with a sense of trepidation as to why these people would use their path in that fashion?
Sure, presenting this as a pilgrim event might be a bit over the top. After all, none of the participants would qualify for a compostela, whether they will use albergues is unclear, and given the pace they will cover the distance, there are hardly likely disrupt other pilgrims as they reflect on life at a more leisurely pace. I don't really see what the compelling argument is that justifies suggesting it has to be shut down?This needs to be shut down
Now THAT is a great idea.Alternative Idee:
What about equipping all these 'corregrinos' with gloves, rubbish tongues and rubbish bags? The one that collects the most rubbish gets a gold medal! Now THAT would be useful ;-) Buen Camino sin prisa, SY
How do you feel about ATV's and motocross? Now that would be cool, would it not? I cannot see why not esp if they are Spaniards
A reminder to keep all posts civil.
All members are entitled to express their opinion....even if it differs from your personal thoughts.
Here is the website for the actual race (I posted it already in the other thread):Ok, can somebody please provide me with a working link what all this is about? I am still in the dark ...
BC SY
PS OK, found it here http://caminotravelcenter.com/the-c...hosting-the-first-pilgrims-race-in-june-2017/
The goal will be increased tourism from the publicity generated by the "race". The "race" is a means to a greedy end. I've worked in advertising and even PR (may Buddha forgive me). There will be a longterm schedule/goal and it doesn't include us.I am really in several minds about this one:
1) Considering the long history of the Camino, an event like this has the length of the battering of an eye lid - one moment there, one moment gone.
2) On the other hand it 'fits in' with the ongoing efforts of the tourist offices/organizations alongside the Caminos to promote them as a 'destination' rather than a pilgrimage.
3) The Camino is open to EVERYBODY - just like the famous Roncesvalles poem states "The door is open for everybody ..."
Buen Camino, SY
If the protest/petition gathers steam it will be very quickly become disassociated from this forum for being blatantly political.True, but I will say that I'm a bit disappointed at the thought of anyone being seen as representing this forum to be formally protesting.
As per @Mike Trebert 's post, I do think that it is inappropriately political for this site to be engaging in, or promoting, a protest'. Not all of us feel this way and it could cause quite a divide in this community. People who have personal feelings about it and want to express themselves should do so privately.
This sentiment has really rattled my day, that this nice, safe, supportive community is going to engage in protesting who can use the Camino and why.
So. If we were to all do that...it would only take 100 of us.Lol, I really feel tempted to register and then to just walk 'my stage' really, really slowly, stopping at every corner to smell the roses and every church/chapel for a prayer ;-) BC SY
I think I have the petition up and running please check it out for me and see if it works properlyIf this gets off the ground it could end up being another money spinner like the San Fermin Festival. And criticising that here is bad for business isn't it? I thought that The Camino Frances was a UN World Heritage Site, HOWEVER...
"Sponsored by COE (Spanish Olympic Committee), the relay race will kick off on June 18 in Roncesvalles to end on 24th in Santiago de Compostela.
The Olympic spirit will conquer the Camino de Santiago in 2017, a year which has been declared International Year of Tourism by the UN, so it is an exceptional showcase of the Camino to the world and a unique way to obtain the so-called Compostela. According to the organizers, this first edition is the beginning of great and attractive new editions."
Relay race, 6 days. How does one "conquer" a Camino? Mass tourism? Like ocean liners in The Grand Canal? Artisanal tourism? - I don't think so.
I'm glad I got my CF in while the numbers were way down around 280,000. Please forgive my cynicism.
Please start a thread with a link to the petition (or will that be too political?). I'll sign up and plan on the quieter Caminos from now on.
Buen Camino, - Mike
If you oppose using the Camino de Santiago for a race venue for the Spanish Olympic Committee please sign the petition at:Need all pilgrims to please send emails of protest to CORREO@COE.ES This needs to be shut down
Thanks Chuck, well done. I just signed. Works fine, I got a confirmation message. I was just the second to sign up - let's get at it, folks.I think I have the petition up and running please check it out for me and see if it works properly
https://www.change.org/p/chuck-cunn...m-organizing-a-race-on-the-camino-de-santiago
I think I have the petition up and running please check it out for me and see if it works properly
https://www.change.org/p/chuck-cunn...m-organizing-a-race-on-the-camino-de-santiago
Thank you so much for signing and your advice/support. It means a lot having you behind this endeavor.I think, not sure about it, the result should be forwarded to the Olympic Comittee, not to you. Perhaps somebody else knows more? Any yes, I signed it. Buen Camino sin Prisa, SY
I'm hoping i can just garner enough/plenty of signatures and send them all in at one time but i'll find out. Seems like it will have more impact that way?Thank you so much for signing and your advice/support. It means a lot having you behind this endeavor.
Right on brother!Thanks Chuck, well done. I just signed. Works fine, I got a confirmation message. I was just the second to sign up - let's get at it, folks.
Since you mentioned the Invierno, there is also this http://www.101peregrinos.com - so that's already a third racing event on the caminos to Santiago ... and we had no idea until today.Maybe I can ask if I go get a compostela after walking the Invierno in a few weeks? Someone has to try to keep the process honest.
But there are criteria for a compostela. And I can't imagine how a relay team would qualify, or am I missing something?To object to this Olympic event supposes that there are criteria as to what the Camino can by used for and what it can't...what are these please?
But there are criteria for a compostela. And I can't imagine how a relay team would qualify, or am I missing something? ...
Rats! Just when I will be there. The problem I see, beyond getting run over, is finding accomodation for the night. I will have to read this carefully to see where I might be during this event. Was in Pontevedra last year during a marathon and it was hard to find a bed.Since you mentioned the Invierno, there is also this http://www.101peregrinos.com - so that's already a third racing event on the caminos to Santiago ... and we had no idea until today.
I did not have the courage to read through it all, let alone summarize it in English ...
But there are criteria for a compostela. And I can't imagine how a relay team would qualify, or am I missing something?
I think in addition to that, and the whole PR thing, the other thing that gets me going is the 'conquering the camino' bit. But honestly? We should admit to ourselves that there are plenty of walkers who have that attitude.
[Edit--I just signed it too, though I am a bit ambivalent for the same reasons @SYates and @Johnnie Walker have expressed. Chuck, if you want this thing to get some traction, you might also consider a post on the FB Camino group.]
Well, I for one would like to know why I must walk the last 100km to earn a Compostela and these people get it for running 10km on that stretch? Is the criteria now for the Cathedral issuing a Compostela now based on how much one pays? (Sign up fee for the event is 600€, and includes hotels, a Compostela & Pilgrim Mass no less!)To object to this Olympic event supposes that there are criteria as to what the Camino can by used for and what it can't...what are these please?
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There will certainly be a lot of TV coverage - the goal of the whole thing would be to stir up as much publicity as possible to firmly establish the event. TV coverage means hundreds of crew, trucks, support, along each stage (remember, each stage is over 100kms long). Cameras also following the runners along the Camino, maybe on motorcycles like the Tour De France. Expect the intrusive worst. It's not going to be a nice fluffy tippy-toeing mobile knitting circle.Sure, presenting this as a pilgrim event might be a bit over the top. After all, none of the participants would qualify for a compostela, whether they will use albergues is unclear, and given the pace they will cover the distance, there are hardly likely disrupt other pilgrims as they reflect on life at a more leisurely pace. I don't really see what the compelling argument is that justifies suggesting it has to be shut down?
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