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Yes, from eastcoast.WoW! MArbe2, So happy for you. Smart move! I am beginning to make plans to fly as soon as I can. When you say RT to MAD is that from the USA?
Trecile, look where we have come from a year ago. It may take some time, but eventually we will defeat this virus. In the meantime, celebrate your being vaccinated and enjoy the possibilitiesI wish that I could share your enthusiasm. I'm getting discouraged about this pandemic ending with so many refusing to get vaccinated.
had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear .....
Curious as to how an employer can impose a 'travel ban' if the government give the go ahead on international travel? Where I come from what you do in your own time is your own business. Is this legal?Alas, even if the EU will open up to Canadians and/or if my passport arrives from Dublin (requiring their offices to re-open), my workplace has just re-newed the travel ban for all staff and faculty.
Cannot plan… or, *could* plan but it would just be a fantasy…
Today I got my first vaccine jab. And I renewed by passport.
After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterdayWow, I’m back in my element!
Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?
It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope
Curious as to how an employer can impose a 'travel ban' if the government give the go ahead on international travel? Where I come from what you do in your own time is your own business. Is this legal?
Yes - Osprey Talon 33 - my go-to Camino etc pack. 1720km so far and counting!When this really kicked in, lockdown and so on, I altered my mindset into "that's it, no more Caminos for me, will be years until any normality returns" ..... but now?
I am in the UK and there is a ferry crossing from Plymouth direct to Spain .... and for the last two days the thought "hhmmm, I think I might go for a really really long walk when travel opens up" has been popping up in my mind .. .. had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear .....
Ditto. Thank you for clearly saying what I have been feeling, Faye. I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned.My emotional response to it is twofold: I mourn the life and opportunities we have all lost to this scourge [...] But I also recognize that I have no particular entitlement to wander the world to please myself,
Ditto. Thank you for clearly saying what I have been feeling, Faye. I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned.
Ok, so you're referring to traveling for work? Which is of course an entirely different situation - if your employer decides travel abroad (which they are presumably paying for) is not appropriate as part of your job, then that's their call. As I said, you're free to do what you want (or the law allows) in your own time.They can impose the ban for any university-related purposes (conferences, field-work, collaboration etc). This fall I am teaching, albeit remotely, so while I could conceivably go to the EU as an Irish citizen and teach via ZOOM from there, I'd need my passport to arrive first and the Irish office -- where my PP was literally a day or 2 from being sent out when they closed last November -- is not going to reopen to get my PP just because I'd like to teach from Ourense or Ponferrada or Vigo. That does not count as "urgent business".
I have a sabbatical coming in January, and my hope was to associate as a visiting scholar with one of the universities in any of the above locations, take a Spanish course there, and do some more work on the ground on my secondary research track -- which is on the relationship of foodways to cultural well-being and health, broadly defined. My primary research is about disability, bioethics, and medicine as an institution. Contrary to public perception, sabbaticals are not time to faff around doing nothing; I have to have a research proposal that the university approves. "I'm going to Spain to walk around and eat tapas, visit churches and museums and walk my butt off" does not count. And, for the foreseeable, using the "vacation" card is not permitted by our border agents. So...
As soon as I try to accomplish that, I'm on "university business" and that is banned.
The travel ban is perfectly legal in a public health context that has restricted travel for all Canadians. It is considered an emergency measure.
My emotional response to it is twofold: I mourn the life and opportunities we have all lost to this scourge (and I recognize that I've not suffered at anything like the level that my students have; many come from groups that the virus has been able to target. 10% of my students have become sick; many have lost immediate family; some are now the only earners for their families; some are fighting with younger siblings for access to the *one* computer in the family...). But I also recognize that I have no particular entitlement to wander the world to please myself, and so I have put some of my toys away (no cruising flight booking sites, muted Booking.com, etc).
Eventually this will end... my PP will arrive, and perhaps by then I will be in the early exit plan to retirement with a gradually diminishing amount of teaching to do over 3 years to a final exit when I am 57/58... and then I can move to Spain. For these opportunities I count myself among the very fortunate.
Thank you... My thoughts exactly.I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.
Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.
However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. That is important too!
Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
Fair enough, @Marbe2 .I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. That is important too!
You're obviouly taking the big picture into account!I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned
No disagreement here, either.If we follow the rules set by the experts rather than make up our own rules in a kind of misguided process of virtue signalling then we'd all be better off
Be cautious, mask up, wash hands, social distance, be vaccinated and begin to carefully move back to some sense of normality. I agree with you Marbe. Also, appreciate the link and the thought. For me, I need social interaction again. I have no interest in concerts, large dinners, or big events of any kind. To recall my Camino and to plan again has boosted my spirits greatly.I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.
Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.
However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. So are our governments. That is important too!
Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
I love this analogy. I wish that more could see beyond their own front door.I can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.
In an ideal world everyone would follow those protocols. Unfortunately, we don't live in such a world.Be cautious, mask up, wash hands, social distance, be vaccinated and begin to carefully move back to some sense of normality.
I am optimistic that most international travelers walking a camino will be responsible!Fair enough, @Marbe2 .
And what you are describing in following CDC protocols is completely responsible. That does not count in my book as
You're obviouly taking the big picture into account!
May it be so!I am optimistic that most international travelers walking a camino will be responsible!
I'm confused. The sentiments expressed in this thread seem to be at variance to this one. It must be me.Ditto. Thank you for clearly saying what I have been feeling, Faye. I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned.
I agree with following the rules set up by experts. I am against making up our own rules for others. I am not against making up our own rules for ourselves if they are more strict/risk averse than the rules provided by the experts. They are not putting anyone at additional risk. Early on in the pandemic, the value of masks was uncertain (at least to our local public health experts) and we weren't being advised to wear them. Some people chose to anyways (perhaps from an excess of caution, perhaps out of "virtue signalling"). What they did did not harm anyone. As more information came in, we discovered it might have helped. I wouldn't fault anyone for not wearing a mask when public health experts were not recommending one. But I wouldn't call those who chose to wear one misguided.Thank you... My thoughts exactly.
If we follow the rules set by the experts rather than make up our own rules in a kind of misguided process of virtue signalling then we'd all be better off. I plan to travel as soon as it's allowed and safe to do so.
You're right. There is an apparent contradiction.I'm confused. The sentiments expressed in this thread seem to be at variance to this one. It must be me.
According to today's New York Times, E.U. is likely to allow vaccinated Americans to travel this summer. I hope!After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterdayWow, I’m back in my element!
Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?
It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope
I like this and agree. It is saying a lot with a little.All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
Sort of; if we are perceived to have done something stupid while the travel ban is in effect, the employer can refuse us re-entry to campus for the quarantine period and put a disciplinary note on our files.Ok, so you're referring to traveling for work? Which is of course an entirely different situation - if your employer decides travel abroad (which they are presumably paying for) is not appropriate as part of your job, then that's their call. As I said, you're free to do what you want (or the law allows) in your own time.
As I understand it, the Canadian government has banned incoming flights from certain countries and has mandatory quarentine - much the same as here in Ireland. This is not the same as an employer deciding to impose an arbitrary "travel ban".
Sorry to labour the point but if you re-read my post, my point was that in the absence of a state/EU/national travel ban, an employer has no legal basis to impose an arbitrary travel ban of its own making, on travel in your own free time.
Maybe I'll learn to be more virtuous/patient/tolerant on my Camino.I agree with following the rules set up by experts. I am against making up our own rules for others. I am not against making up our own rules for ourselves if they are more strict/risk averse than the rules provided by the experts. They are not putting anyone at additional risk. Early on in the pandemic, the value of masks was uncertain (at least to our local public health experts) and we weren't being advised to wear them. Some people chose to anyways (perhaps from an excess of caution, perhaps out of "virtue signalling"). What they did did not harm anyone. As more information came in, we discovered it might have helped. I wouldn't fault anyone for not wearing a mask when public health experts were not recommending one. But I wouldn't call those who chose to wear one misguided.
The same is true for worries about getting covid through physical contact with items. At first there was a lot of concern with getting the disease through surface contacts and we were told by the experts to let things sit for varying amounts of time depending on the type of surface. I remember libraries would let books sit for a few days before processing. Now that is not seen as such a big vector or matter of concern. I have a friend who still lets deliveries sit in his garage for a week before touching them. We wouldn't be better off if he stopped that. It wouldn't affect any of us at all.
And I've never been comfortable with concerns around "virtue signalling". As far as I'm concerned, if someone does something virtuous, that's a good thing. Whatever their motivations, it is better than them not doing something virtuous. And if they are seen to be doing something virtuous, that also has benefits, in terms of modelling virtuous behaviour and resetting cultural norms. If what they do is not virtuous, it can hardly be signalling virtue.
All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
I love this. So very wise. Thank you.And I've never been comfortable with concerns around "virtue signalling". As far as I'm concerned, if someone does something virtuous, that's a good thing. Whatever their motivations, it is better than them not doing something virtuous. And if they are seen to be doing something virtuous, that also has benefits, in terms of modelling virtuous behaviour and resetting cultural norms. If what they do is not virtuous, it can hardly be signalling virtue.
All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.Yes! I know the feeling. Walking into an outdoor shop is like walking into a dragon’s lair – everything can happen. I prepare myself by repeating in my mind “you are mature and responsible… you are mature and responsible” but it doesn’t always work
Ugh... I've been the *worst* for sustaining my hope by purchasing shoes, socks, packs... I think I have some kind of "hiker hoarder" problem developing. If only I could *forget* TheLastHunt.comWARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, necker and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.
I do not know the feeling. No shops are open. Well, anywhere for actually crossing the threshold and mooching around and engaging staff in conversation and ....Yes! I know the feeling. Walking into an outdoor shop is like walking into a dragon’s lair – everything can happen. I prepare myself by repeating in my mind “you are mature and responsible… you are mature and responsible” but it doesn’t always work
Kirkie - get ready, your shops in Ireland open this month!!
Delighted to hear you've had your second shot!I do not know the feeling. No shops are open. Well, anywhere for actually crossing the threshold and mooching around and engaging staff in conversation and ....
so: (here comes the chorus line) Que sera, sera! People, be happy. And then maybe take a course in phenomenology. Yes, a distraction. I think this post can be attributed to the craziness resulting from my second vaccination this morning!
Don't shoot me, I am a moving target and it could ricochet!
Yes. Not a bad idea!!And then maybe take a course in phenomenology.
Faye, if you have a number for the passport office, that would be your best bet to find out the current situation. I did read something recently stating that it was all systems go again.REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
I feel that there will be some risk for quite sone time yet. The degree of risk one is willing to accept will be a personal choice. For those who feel they have had enough (and enough is enough), wishing you a Buen Camino and I recommend only looking forward.I wish that I could share your enthusiasm. I'm getting discouraged about this pandemic ending with so many refusing to get vaccinated.
REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
I don't have fear for myself. I want the world to get back to normal as soon as possible!And then make plans for a Camino when you think you are really ready to enjoy it without some innate fear.
Great....I don't have fear for myself. I want the world to get back to normal as soon as possible!
Faye, the Irish passport office is only open for Web ChatREALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
No, I was confused about it too. I completely missed the "willful selfishness" in here.I'm confused. The sentiments expressed in this thread seem to be at variance to this one. It must be me.
DavidWhen this really kicked in, lockdown and so on, I altered my mindset into "that's it, no more Caminos for me, will be years until any normality returns" ..... but now?
I am in the UK and there is a ferry crossing from Plymouth direct to Spain .... and for the last two days the thought "hhmmm, I think I might go for a really really long walk when travel opens up" has been popping up in my mind .. .. had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear .....
I'm like you. I have cultivated a love of my local park, here in NYC, going round and round and round, daydreaming as I walk.I can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.
That said, I'm feeling more optimistic than I have in a while.
Brilliant analogy, and I agree, I am more optimistic and remain hopefulI can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.
That said, I'm feeling more optimistic than I have in a while.
Peaking out from under a rock with Ivar's new announcement that seems to support those that want to dream of an upcoming Camino and that they won't get chastised and insulted for doing so. I agree we are a forum for pilgrimage not one to stand on a branch discuss pilgrimage and get picked to the bone by others for doing so.After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterdayWow, I’m back in my element!
Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?
It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope
David, I was looking at those ferries also a few weeks ago. Then I got confused about COVID testing and how long the crossing might be and how long the test would take to get results and would the number of hours allowed still work out--wondering what your plan is on that point.When this really kicked in, lockdown and so on, I altered my mindset into "that's it, no more Caminos for me, will be years until any normality returns" ..... but now?
I am in the UK and there is a ferry crossing from Plymouth direct to Spain .... and for the last two days the thought "hhmmm, I think I might go for a really really long walk when travel opens up" has been popping up in my mind .. .. had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear .....
I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.
Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.
However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. So are our governments. That is important too!
Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
Agree...we have made arrangements for private accommodations.I see a risk factor of unvaccinated people alongside vaccinated ones in the albergues. I think the trail will be safe but the albergue is a wildcard. Will the Pfizer vaccine protect you for 33+ nights of community habitation?
I dropped my Camino 3 plans during the month of April for a Camino this Fall. I am starting to plan a Mozarabe again because planning a Camino gives me hope. I elevates me above the mundane.After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterdayWow, I’m back in my element!
Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?
It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope
Home via NZ on Qatar.I'm in Australia. If we leave, we probably won't be allowed back in. But I still keep trawling through the equipment websites, lusting over the latest backpacks, wondering if I can justify buying myself a new pair of hiking sandals. Today I got my first vaccine jab. And I renewed by passport.
Yes we actually need to get permission to leave. I don't think to go "caminoing" would count as a good enough reason.I'm in Australia. If we leave, we probably won't be allowed back in. But I still keep trawling through the equipment websites, lusting over the latest backpacks, wondering if I can justify buying myself a new pair of hiking sandals. Today I got my first vaccine jab. And I renewed by passport.
Planning like mad!!After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterdayWow, I’m back in my element!
Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?
It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope
Yes we actually need to get permission to leave. I don't think to go "caminoing" would count as a good enough reason.
No, it wouldn't. Nor would "flying to France to attend a loved one's funeral.' At least, it didn't 5 weeks ago when I tried.
As of yesterday, the Australian government is still formally advising that travel to France is not permitted.
Maybe representing Australia in the 'Camino Olympics' might cut the mustard?Yes we actually need to get permission to leave. I don't think to go "caminoing" would count as a good enough reason.
David, I was looking at those ferries also a few weeks ago. Then I got confused about COVID testing and how long the crossing might be and how long the test would take to get results and would the number of hours allowed still work out--wondering what your plan is on that point.
And it looks like I will be paying hundreds of dollars/euros for testing when I go to UK and Spain and Portugal this autumn if they all require a COVID test before entering each country. It seems odd that I can be tested here in the US for free and other clinics here charge $20-$30 for a test, yet in the EU the cost is $110 and higher. In any case, October is months away and things will have adjusted several times by then.
Is that right? From what I know you cannot go from the UK to red district zone countries in Europe but Spain is supposed to be in the Amber (I guess that's orange) district zone. You just take one test before the travel and 2 tests when you are back in England. Yes, it costs maybe 500 euro to take those 3 tests but if you go for a month, it's probably worth it. Am I wrong?we aren't allowed to go to Spain, and still won't be when we open up some safe countries on the 17th. The UK sees Spain as a dangerous Covid country.
Is that right? From what I know you cannot go from the UK to red district zone countries in Europe but Spain is supposed to be in the Amber (I guess that's orange) district zone. You just take one test before the travel and 2 tests when you are back in England. Yes, it costs maybe 500 euro to take those 3 tests but if you go for a month, it's probably worth it. Am I wrong?
From what I know: The UK government tells their people that they cannot travel for touristic purposes from the UK to Spain before the 17th of May, and the Spanish government tells the world that the UK is what they call a third country and therefore nobody is allowed to enter Spain from the UK for a touristic trip, which includes a trip to walk a camino, until the 31th of May 2021, 24:00 h. Just check the usual official government websites.Is that right? From what I know you cannot go from the UK to red district zone countries in Europe but Spain is supposed to be in the Amber (I guess that's orange) district zone. You just take one test before the travel and 2 tests when you are back in England. Yes, it costs maybe 500 euro to take those 3 tests but if you go for a month, it's probably worth it. Am I wrong?
No, I meant after 17th of May. Sorry about using present tense. But 17th is just one week away
And the 31st of May is three weeks away.No, I meant after 17th of May. Sorry about using present tense. But 17th is just one week away
I really love your description of our present world. I live in Australia & we are all grounded here, so noone is travelling very far., apart from holidaying in our own very large country. Many people are doing treks & walks within Australia. We are all learning how beautiful and diverse our island is with so many hidden gems. I don't stop thinking about my next walk even though it is pencilled in for 2023/24. I also had 2 OS holidays booked for later this year, however both trips have transferred to take over next 3 years.I can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.
That said, I'm feeling more optimistic than I have in a while.
Thank you @David. Of course all these countries rely on reciprocity and, to some extent, are academic.On May 17th we in the UK will be allowed to travel to only these countries - means a Portuguese Camino would be legal (stopping at the Spanish border).
The list will be updated by the Gov on a regular basis.
Portugal including the Azores and Madeira
Israel
Australia
New Zealand
Singapore
Brunei
Iceland
Faroe Islands
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena
Tristan de Cunha
Ascension Island
You can't just leave the Schengen zone for a few days and reset the clock on your Schengen stay. The rule is that you can be in the Schengen zone for 90 out of 180 days. So you can't stay in Schengen for 60 days, go to the UK for the weekend and return to Schengen for another 60 days.and for those who want to stay in Europe a long time? Well, we are independent now so no longer in the Schengen zone .. use up your time then pop over to beautiful UK for a couple of days and then return.
@trecile, your comment made me smile. They'll soon be familiar with the Schengen calculator and the meaning of the small exit/entry stamps in their passports and the importance of the dates in those stamps.You can't just leave the Schengen zone for a few days and reset the clock on your Schengen stay.
I was reading yesterday that the cost of the test nowadays are around £120 both. Travel companies are pushing to lower the price so more people don't see it as an obstacle to travel.Is that right? From what I know you cannot go from the UK to red district zone countries in Europe but Spain is supposed to be in the Amber (I guess that's orange) district zone. You just take one test before the travel and 2 tests when you are back in England. Yes, it costs maybe 500 euro to take those 3 tests but if you go for a month, it's probably worth it. Am I wrong?
You can't just leave the Schengen zone for a few days and reset the clock on your Schengen stay. The rule is that you can be in the Schengen zone for 90 out of 180 days. So you can't stay in Schengen for 60 days, go to the UK for the weekend and return to Schengen for another 60 days.
Ah - me and a little knowledge. Mind you, you could stay for 90 days and then visit the UK for 90 days and then go back - you would have a wonderful time!
So here's a funny question... I guess that when I eventually get to leave Canada, I should leave on my Canadian PP so that my local immigration service knows I've gone, but I should use my Irish PP when I land in the EU and show that stamp if I should wish to stay beyond 90 days? Right now, I'm hoping that rules at my work place will change by the new year and I will be allowed to rent a place to live for 6 months in NW Spain.You can't just leave the Schengen zone for a few days and reset the clock on your Schengen stay. The rule is that you can be in the Schengen zone for 90 out of 180 days. So you can't stay in Schengen for 60 days, go to the UK for the weekend and return to Schengen for another 60 days.
You don't get a stamp when you travel from Canada to Spain and show your Irish passport at border control when you have landed in Spain.but I should use my Irish PP when I land in the EU and show that stamp if I should wish to stay beyond 90 days?
No, you should fly to Europe with your Irish (EU) passport. There is no outbound passport control from Canada.So here's a funny question... I guess that when I eventually get to leave Canada, I should leave on my Canadian PP so that my local immigration service knows I've gone, but I should use my Irish PP when I land in the EU and show that stamp if I should wish to stay beyond 90 days? Right now, I'm hoping that rules at my work place will change by the new year and I will be allowed to rent a place to live for 6 months in NW Spain.
I guess we will see. Sometimes I clear customs before lift-off in Canada, but that might be only when travelling to the US. I do always have to show my passport at multiple points in the security and boarding process.No, you should fly to Europe with your Irish (EU) passport. There is no outbound passport control from Canada.
On May 17th we in the UK will be allowed to travel to only these countries - means a Portuguese Camino would be legal (stopping at the Spanish border).
The list will be updated by the Gov on a regular basis.
Portugal including the Azores and Madeira
Israel
Australia
New Zealand
Singapore
Brunei
Iceland
Faroe Islands
Gibraltar
Falkland Islands
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
St Helena
Tristan de Cunha
Ascension Island
There is no official outbound passport control, but you need to show your passport to the airline staff at departure - both to confirm your identity and to reassure the airline that you will not likely be rejected by the country of destination. In this case, either passport would probably be fine, in the experience of my family. However, when you arrive in the EU, you are supposed to show your passport from an EU country, if you want to be treated as an EU citizen. When you leave the EU you need to use that same EU passport.No, you should fly to Europe with your Irish (EU) passport. There is no outbound passport control from Canada.
They won't...it is academic and relies on reciprocity.Really? Not sure Australia will let you in though.........
Excuse me, why have you included Aotearoa New Zealand in that list?Oh, then Camino-wise, Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and South Africans are still in the same boat. Uffff, that feels so much better. That would be so unfair to let the English walk the Camino and keep the Americans away until the end of pandemic, which may be in 2025 or whenever
True. But what the Spanish government's ministries say also counts.The British FCO advice on foreign travel on their website is always the current advice
It is an academic list Doughnut...opening up for travel has to start somewhere. The UK Government know this. The UK people know this also. When you are ready and agreement is on your side then it's all good.Excuse me, why have you included Aotearoa New Zealand in that list?
Kiwisare not prevented from travelling.
That is a different list.It is an academic list Doughnut...opening up for travel has to start somewhere. The UK Government know this. The UK people know this also. When you are ready and agreement is on your side then it's all good.
Secondly.....we like you.
Are we talking of two different lists? I am talking about the UK green list after 17th May.That is a different list.
The post that I quoted said that Kiwis can't travel. That is incorrect.
Two lists, one a governmental list and the list that was quoted was a made up list.Are we talking of two different lists? I am talking about the UK green list after 17th May.
Right, I must have missed the made up one...Two lists, one a governmental list and the list that was quoted was a made up list.
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