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domigee

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2020? Looks like.... nowhere! 😁
After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterday 😎 Wow, I’m back in my element! 😁

Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?

It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope 🌈
 
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I have had my tickets for September 1, 2021 since November 2020! Finished booking two camino routes booking.com.by mid March.

Once I knew the Vaccines would work, I guesstimated what I I thought might be a reasonable opening date? Having puchased it early, I can still change to another date without penalty and I got a non-stop RT to MAD for less than $500 with seats and checked bag!

in addition, the ticket can be changed without penalty. Since April 2021 the major US carriers will no longer let you change a basic ticket without a change fee! So now I’m even happier I booked early!
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AA already scrapped the free change.

Hope I see many of you!
 
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Olimpia

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Camino de Santiago Frances (2014)
Camino del Norte (2017)
WoW! MArbe2, So happy for you. Smart move! I am beginning to make plans to fly as soon as I can. When you say RT to MAD is that from the USA?
 
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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
Alas, even if the EU will open up to Canadians and/or if my passport arrives from Dublin (requiring their offices to re-open), my workplace has just re-newed the travel ban for all staff and faculty.

Cannot plan… or, *could* plan but it would just be a fantasy…
 
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Marbe2

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2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
I wish that I could share your enthusiasm. I'm getting discouraged about this pandemic ending with so many refusing to get vaccinated.
Trecile, look where we have come from a year ago. It may take some time, but eventually we will defeat this virus. In the meantime, celebrate your being vaccinated and enjoy the possibilities😆!
 

David

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Moissac to Santiago Spring 2005 was the first foray.
When this really kicked in, lockdown and so on, I altered my mindset into "that's it, no more Caminos for me, will be years until any normality returns" ..... but now?
I am in the UK and there is a ferry crossing from Plymouth direct to Spain .... and for the last two days the thought "hhmmm, I think I might go for a really really long walk when travel opens up" has been popping up in my mind .. .. had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear ..... :);)
 

Turga

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CF (Aug/Sep 2018)
had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear .....

Yes! I know the feeling. Walking into an outdoor shop is like walking into a dragon’s lair – everything can happen. I prepare myself by repeating in my mind “you are mature and responsible… you are mature and responsible” but it doesn’t always work :oops:
 

apmcintyre

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2022
Have the research done and gear bought... Contemplating booking Dublin to Biarritz flight for 28 Aug (Ryanair so not massively expensive) for 2 week trip starting at SJPdP. I'm vaccinated and working full time in healthcare. Am I being wildly optimistic? Banking on Irish travel restrictions being lifted by then...
 
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apmcintyre

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Alas, even if the EU will open up to Canadians and/or if my passport arrives from Dublin (requiring their offices to re-open), my workplace has just re-newed the travel ban for all staff and faculty.

Cannot plan… or, *could* plan but it would just be a fantasy…
Curious as to how an employer can impose a 'travel ban' if the government give the go ahead on international travel? Where I come from what you do in your own time is your own business. Is this legal?
 

Kanga

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Francés x 5, Le Puy x 2, Arles, Tours, Norte, Madrid, Via de la Plata, Portuguese, Primitivo
I'm in Australia. If we leave, we probably won't be allowed back in. But I still keep trawling through the equipment websites, lusting over the latest backpacks, wondering if I can justify buying myself a new pair of hiking sandals. Today I got my first vaccine jab. And I renewed by passport.
 
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2019
I can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.

That said, I'm feeling more optimistic than I have in a while.

Today I got my first vaccine jab. And I renewed by passport.
🥳🤩
 
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After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterday 😎 Wow, I’m back in my element! 😁

Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?

It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope 🌈

I never gave up hope and never stopped planning.
But I'm a realist. So planned on returning 2022 at the earliest.
That might just be possible for me.
Travel restrictions etc.

But things can turn on a dime.
Just look at India.
 
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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
Curious as to how an employer can impose a 'travel ban' if the government give the go ahead on international travel? Where I come from what you do in your own time is your own business. Is this legal?

They can impose the ban for any university-related purposes (conferences, field-work, collaboration etc). This fall I am teaching, albeit remotely, so while I could conceivably go to the EU as an Irish citizen and teach via ZOOM from there, I'd need my passport to arrive first and the Irish office -- where my PP was literally a day or 2 from being sent out when they closed last November -- is not going to reopen to get my PP just because I'd like to teach from Ourense or Ponferrada or Vigo. That does not count as "urgent business".

I have a sabbatical coming in January, and my hope was to associate as a visiting scholar with one of the universities in any of the above locations, take a Spanish course there, and do some more work on the ground on my secondary research track -- which is on the relationship of foodways to cultural well-being and health, broadly defined. My primary research is about disability, bioethics, and medicine as an institution. Contrary to public perception, sabbaticals are not time to faff around doing nothing; I have to have a research proposal that the university approves. "I'm going to Spain to walk around and eat tapas, visit churches and museums and walk my butt off" does not count. And, for the foreseeable, using the "vacation" card is not permitted by our border agents. So...

As soon as I try to accomplish that, I'm on "university business" and that is banned.

The travel ban is perfectly legal in a public health context that has restricted travel for all Canadians. It is considered an emergency measure.

My emotional response to it is twofold: I mourn the life and opportunities we have all lost to this scourge (and I recognize that I've not suffered at anything like the level that my students have; many come from groups that the virus has been able to target. 10% of my students have become sick; many have lost immediate family; some are now the only earners for their families; some are fighting with younger siblings for access to the *one* computer in the family...). But I also recognize that I have no particular entitlement to wander the world to please myself, and so I have put some of my toys away (no cruising flight booking sites, muted Booking.com, etc).

Eventually this will end... my PP will arrive, and perhaps by then I will be in the early exit plan to retirement with a gradually diminishing amount of teaching to do over 3 years to a final exit when I am 57/58... and then I can move to Spain. For these opportunities I count myself among the very fortunate.
 
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GraemeHall

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Francés 2017/18; Portugués 2019
When this really kicked in, lockdown and so on, I altered my mindset into "that's it, no more Caminos for me, will be years until any normality returns" ..... but now?
I am in the UK and there is a ferry crossing from Plymouth direct to Spain .... and for the last two days the thought "hhmmm, I think I might go for a really really long walk when travel opens up" has been popping up in my mind .. .. had to go to an outdoor shop yesterday to buy some new lightweight trainers, for town, and somehow found myself in the rucksack department looking at an Osprey Talon 33 .... oh dear ..... :);)
Yes - Osprey Talon 33 - my go-to Camino etc pack. 1720km so far and counting!
 
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2019
My emotional response to it is twofold: I mourn the life and opportunities we have all lost to this scourge [...] But I also recognize that I have no particular entitlement to wander the world to please myself,
Ditto. Thank you for clearly saying what I have been feeling, Faye. I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned.
 

Marbe2

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2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
Ditto. Thank you for clearly saying what I have been feeling, Faye. I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned.

I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.

Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.

However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. So are our governments. That is important too!

Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
 
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apmcintyre

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2022
They can impose the ban for any university-related purposes (conferences, field-work, collaboration etc). This fall I am teaching, albeit remotely, so while I could conceivably go to the EU as an Irish citizen and teach via ZOOM from there, I'd need my passport to arrive first and the Irish office -- where my PP was literally a day or 2 from being sent out when they closed last November -- is not going to reopen to get my PP just because I'd like to teach from Ourense or Ponferrada or Vigo. That does not count as "urgent business".

I have a sabbatical coming in January, and my hope was to associate as a visiting scholar with one of the universities in any of the above locations, take a Spanish course there, and do some more work on the ground on my secondary research track -- which is on the relationship of foodways to cultural well-being and health, broadly defined. My primary research is about disability, bioethics, and medicine as an institution. Contrary to public perception, sabbaticals are not time to faff around doing nothing; I have to have a research proposal that the university approves. "I'm going to Spain to walk around and eat tapas, visit churches and museums and walk my butt off" does not count. And, for the foreseeable, using the "vacation" card is not permitted by our border agents. So...

As soon as I try to accomplish that, I'm on "university business" and that is banned.

The travel ban is perfectly legal in a public health context that has restricted travel for all Canadians. It is considered an emergency measure.

My emotional response to it is twofold: I mourn the life and opportunities we have all lost to this scourge (and I recognize that I've not suffered at anything like the level that my students have; many come from groups that the virus has been able to target. 10% of my students have become sick; many have lost immediate family; some are now the only earners for their families; some are fighting with younger siblings for access to the *one* computer in the family...). But I also recognize that I have no particular entitlement to wander the world to please myself, and so I have put some of my toys away (no cruising flight booking sites, muted Booking.com, etc).

Eventually this will end... my PP will arrive, and perhaps by then I will be in the early exit plan to retirement with a gradually diminishing amount of teaching to do over 3 years to a final exit when I am 57/58... and then I can move to Spain. For these opportunities I count myself among the very fortunate.
Ok, so you're referring to traveling for work? Which is of course an entirely different situation - if your employer decides travel abroad (which they are presumably paying for) is not appropriate as part of your job, then that's their call. As I said, you're free to do what you want (or the law allows) in your own time.

As I understand it, the Canadian government has banned incoming flights from certain countries and has mandatory quarentine - much the same as here in Ireland. This is not the same as an employer deciding to impose an arbitrary "travel ban".

Sorry to labour the point but if you re-read my post, my point was that in the absence of a state/EU/national travel ban, an employer has no legal basis to impose an arbitrary travel ban of its own making, on travel in your own free time.
 

apmcintyre

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2022
I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.

Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.

However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. That is important too!

Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
Thank you... My thoughts exactly.

If we follow the rules set by the experts rather than make up our own rules in a kind of misguided process of virtue signalling then we'd all be better off. I plan to travel as soon as it's allowed and safe to do so.
 
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I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. That is important too!
Fair enough, @Marbe2 .
And what you are describing in following CDC protocols is completely responsible. That does not count in my book as
I lose hope every time I see or hear about people doing whatever they individually feel entitled to do, consequences to others and the big picture be damned
You're obviouly taking the big picture into account!

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If we follow the rules set by the experts rather than make up our own rules in a kind of misguided process of virtue signalling then we'd all be better off
No disagreement here, either.
I'm just anti- willful selfishness that doesn't follow the guidelines set by experts (public health experts, not politicians).
 
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2019
I respect your reasoning and your personal feelings on this matter... There are a number of people on this website that share your sentiments as well.

Personally, I have followed CDC guidelines precisely. I have not yet even dined at a restaurant in the USA at 25 percent capacity.

However, when Spain and the USA allow travel between counties.... I will go.
I am confident that that being vaccinated with 2 Pfizer shots and continuing to follow sensible CDC guidelines everywhere, will allow some of us to travel safely without harming anyone else and returning to some sense of normality. So are our governments. That is important too!

Here is just another consideration. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6932a1.htm
Be cautious, mask up, wash hands, social distance, be vaccinated and begin to carefully move back to some sense of normality. I agree with you Marbe. Also, appreciate the link and the thought. For me, I need social interaction again. I have no interest in concerts, large dinners, or big events of any kind. To recall my Camino and to plan again has boosted my spirits greatly.
 

trecile

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Francés (2016 & 2017), Norte (2018), Francés-Salvador-Norte (2019), Portuguese (2019)
I can't imagine going anyplace yet. The world's like a big bathtub, and waves in one corner of the tub will eventually reach the other side. So no matter what's happening in Spain or the EU or North America, until the whole tub is more quiet (including 'faraway places' like India or South America), I'm inclined to stay put.
I love this analogy. I wish that more could see beyond their own front door.

Be cautious, mask up, wash hands, social distance, be vaccinated and begin to carefully move back to some sense of normality.
In an ideal world everyone would follow those protocols. Unfortunately, we don't live in such a world.
 

Marbe2

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Fair enough, @Marbe2 .
And what you are describing in following CDC protocols is completely responsible. That does not count in my book as

You're obviouly taking the big picture into account!
I am optimistic that most international travelers walking a camino will be responsible!
 
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2022

David Tallan

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2018
I've been planning on 2023, the year I will probably retire. It is far enough out that I remain fairly optimistic, although I hold tight to my idea of not holding tight to any dates by which Covid will no longer be a concern. My plans have been fairly nebulous, however, as they will depend on who, if anyone, wants to walk with me. I have different routes planned depending whether I am walking with my wife, my cousins, my son, my friends, or alone.
 

Albertagirl

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Frances (2015); Aragones-Frances (2016); VdlP-Sanabres (2017); Madrid-Frances-Invierno (2019)Levante
I myself am not particularly confident, but I go ahead determinedly planning for and preparing for my next camino, as a way of staying relatively sane in a crazy world. For me, it is one step at a time, and no one step is inevitable. I have received my first vaccination. When I have received my booster shot, currently expected in June or July, I shall feel as safe as I can be, for myself and those whom I meet.. Then I shall look to the governments of Canada and Spain for their regulations. Will things be opening up on the pilgrim routes in Spain? I shall look into this. Shortly thereafter, I shall be checking on my gear and committing myself by buying an air ticket to Spain. That done, I shall book accommodation in Valencia and plan my first week of walking.
All of this is looking forward hopefully, but with no commitment until I buy the air ticket. But I continue working persistently on getting my new knee, and the rest of my lazy body, in decent shape for a very long walk.
 

David Tallan

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2018
Thank you... My thoughts exactly.

If we follow the rules set by the experts rather than make up our own rules in a kind of misguided process of virtue signalling then we'd all be better off. I plan to travel as soon as it's allowed and safe to do so.
I agree with following the rules set up by experts. I am against making up our own rules for others. I am not against making up our own rules for ourselves if they are more strict/risk averse than the rules provided by the experts. They are not putting anyone at additional risk. Early on in the pandemic, the value of masks was uncertain (at least to our local public health experts) and we weren't being advised to wear them. Some people chose to anyways (perhaps from an excess of caution, perhaps out of "virtue signalling"). What they did did not harm anyone. As more information came in, we discovered it might have helped. I wouldn't fault anyone for not wearing a mask when public health experts were not recommending one. But I wouldn't call those who chose to wear one misguided.

The same is true for worries about getting covid through physical contact with items. At first there was a lot of concern with getting the disease through surface contacts and we were told by the experts to let things sit for varying amounts of time depending on the type of surface. I remember libraries would let books sit for a few days before processing. Now that is not seen as such a big vector or matter of concern. I have a friend who still lets deliveries sit in his garage for a week before touching them. We wouldn't be better off if he stopped that. It wouldn't affect any of us at all.

And I've never been comfortable with concerns around "virtue signalling". As far as I'm concerned, if someone does something virtuous, that's a good thing. Whatever their motivations, it is better than them not doing something virtuous. And if they are seen to be doing something virtuous, that also has benefits, in terms of modelling virtuous behaviour and resetting cultural norms. If what they do is not virtuous, it can hardly be signalling virtue.

All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
 
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2019
I'm confused. The sentiments expressed in this thread seem to be at variance to this one. It must be me.
You're right. There is an apparent contradiction.
But only from the vantage point of not knowing anything about the person who started that thread, his specific situation, and the precepts he lives by. Just as the devil is in the details, so is God. ;)
 
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Mera

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Camino France, Camino del Norte, Camino de Madrid
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After many long, long months of not making plans.... out came the guidebooks yesterday 😎 Wow, I’m back in my element! 😁

Are any of you feeling the same? Or maybe you never gave up planning?

It may not come to anything, of course but at least I feel a first ray of hope 🌈
According to today's New York Times, E.U. is likely to allow vaccinated Americans to travel this summer. I hope!
 

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Frances 2015;
Norte/Primitivo 2016;
Frances 2017;
Le Puy 2018;
Portuguese/FishermanTr. 2019
All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
I like this and agree. It is saying a lot with a little.
 
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Ok, so you're referring to traveling for work? Which is of course an entirely different situation - if your employer decides travel abroad (which they are presumably paying for) is not appropriate as part of your job, then that's their call. As I said, you're free to do what you want (or the law allows) in your own time.

As I understand it, the Canadian government has banned incoming flights from certain countries and has mandatory quarentine - much the same as here in Ireland. This is not the same as an employer deciding to impose an arbitrary "travel ban".

Sorry to labour the point but if you re-read my post, my point was that in the absence of a state/EU/national travel ban, an employer has no legal basis to impose an arbitrary travel ban of its own making, on travel in your own free time.
Sort of; if we are perceived to have done something stupid while the travel ban is in effect, the employer can refuse us re-entry to campus for the quarantine period and put a disciplinary note on our files.

Do I care? well, financially yes. I can't afford to quarantine as it is. And a disciplinary note in my file would not be a nice thing as I head toward retirement.

And there's the issue that anything we do on sabbatical is not "vacation" but "university business" -- we get 28 days of vacation per year. Period. If I am on camino in a sabbatical year, I had better have a research or teaching related reason for it. If I have no reason for it, I'd better hope that the university does not query my travels (this is all hypothetical, but I mention it because there *are* faculty who treat sabbaticals as *vacations* -- there's historical precedent for that of course, but our contracts now stipulate otherwise).

It's all very convoluted, and I'd not want to put myself in that corner.
 

apmcintyre

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2022
I agree with following the rules set up by experts. I am against making up our own rules for others. I am not against making up our own rules for ourselves if they are more strict/risk averse than the rules provided by the experts. They are not putting anyone at additional risk. Early on in the pandemic, the value of masks was uncertain (at least to our local public health experts) and we weren't being advised to wear them. Some people chose to anyways (perhaps from an excess of caution, perhaps out of "virtue signalling"). What they did did not harm anyone. As more information came in, we discovered it might have helped. I wouldn't fault anyone for not wearing a mask when public health experts were not recommending one. But I wouldn't call those who chose to wear one misguided.

The same is true for worries about getting covid through physical contact with items. At first there was a lot of concern with getting the disease through surface contacts and we were told by the experts to let things sit for varying amounts of time depending on the type of surface. I remember libraries would let books sit for a few days before processing. Now that is not seen as such a big vector or matter of concern. I have a friend who still lets deliveries sit in his garage for a week before touching them. We wouldn't be better off if he stopped that. It wouldn't affect any of us at all.

And I've never been comfortable with concerns around "virtue signalling". As far as I'm concerned, if someone does something virtuous, that's a good thing. Whatever their motivations, it is better than them not doing something virtuous. And if they are seen to be doing something virtuous, that also has benefits, in terms of modelling virtuous behaviour and resetting cultural norms. If what they do is not virtuous, it can hardly be signalling virtue.

All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
Maybe I'll learn to be more virtuous/patient/tolerant on my Camino. 🙏
 
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And I've never been comfortable with concerns around "virtue signalling". As far as I'm concerned, if someone does something virtuous, that's a good thing. Whatever their motivations, it is better than them not doing something virtuous. And if they are seen to be doing something virtuous, that also has benefits, in terms of modelling virtuous behaviour and resetting cultural norms. If what they do is not virtuous, it can hardly be signalling virtue.
All of which to say, if you want to make plans for a Camino as soon as the public health experts say it is okay - more power to you. If you want to set your own rules that would have you wait a little longer, I don't think you are harming anyone.
I love this. So very wise. Thank you.
 
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Yes! I know the feeling. Walking into an outdoor shop is like walking into a dragon’s lair – everything can happen. I prepare myself by repeating in my mind “you are mature and responsible… you are mature and responsible” but it doesn’t always work :oops:
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.
 
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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.
Ugh... I've been the *worst* for sustaining my hope by purchasing shoes, socks, packs... I think I have some kind of "hiker hoarder" problem developing. If only I could *forget* TheLastHunt.com
 

Turga

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WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, neckerchief and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.

You know – I actually had a ’crisp’ comment about this, but then I thought, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” 😇
 

Marbe2

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2015-2019 walked all or more than half of CF 7 times... CP recently cancelled by Covid 19!
WARNING! Do not go into an Out Door Shop without a firm list of purchases to make. Due to the hiatus on travel this past year-plus, each shop I've visited has massive sales and mark downs. I went into REI for a pair of Smart Wool Trekking socks. I came out with: new Diamond Poles, sock liners, quilted vest, wind breaker, hiking shorts, carabineers, necker and hat.
I don't depart for Camino until the end of August. I'm considering a self-imposed quarantine for all-sports stores until I depart. Well, maybe one side trip, or two.

Actually traveled 75 miles today to REI...

They have a sign...sorry....but we are low on inventory!! Still trying to buy shoes....no luck...couldn’t even try on a a few pairs in my size on...no stock!
 
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Kanga

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Year of past OR future Camino
Francés x 5, Le Puy x 2, Arles, Tours, Norte, Madrid, Via de la Plata, Portuguese, Primitivo
The number of times I've filled the on-line trolley shopping cart at the big hiking equipment store....

Only to empty it.

As far as planning our next camino, it is hopeful but I think we just have to keep flexible. We have had no community cases in Sydney for ages. Months. Yesterday, I had my first vaccination. And in a spirit of optimism, I renewed my passport. And suddenly, today we have three new cases. So, restrictions were announced immediately, again. Household gatherings limited to 20, ditto weddings, masks compulsory on public transport, no singing allowed inside, restrictions on restaurants etc. Ho hum.
 
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San Salvador (2017) Ingles (2019)
Yes! I know the feeling. Walking into an outdoor shop is like walking into a dragon’s lair – everything can happen. I prepare myself by repeating in my mind “you are mature and responsible… you are mature and responsible” but it doesn’t always work :oops:
I do not know the feeling. No shops are open. Well, anywhere for actually crossing the threshold and mooching around and engaging staff in conversation and ....
so: (here comes the chorus line) Que sera, sera! People, be happy. And then maybe take a course in phenomenology. Yes, a distraction. I think this post can be attributed to the craziness resulting from my second vaccination this morning!
Don't shoot me, I am a moving target and it could ricochet!
 
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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
Kirkie - get ready, your shops in Ireland open this month!!

REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
 
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CF 2014, CF 2018, CP 2019 from Coimbra
I do not know the feeling. No shops are open. Well, anywhere for actually crossing the threshold and mooching around and engaging staff in conversation and ....
so: (here comes the chorus line) Que sera, sera! People, be happy. And then maybe take a course in phenomenology. Yes, a distraction. I think this post can be attributed to the craziness resulting from my second vaccination this morning!
Don't shoot me, I am a moving target and it could ricochet!
Delighted to hear you've had your second shot!
 
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REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
Faye, if you have a number for the passport office, that would be your best bet to find out the current situation. I did read something recently stating that it was all systems go again.
Edit
Sorry, this shot off before I had a chance to check for you. I have taken a screenshot of what I saw on the website:
Screenshot 2021-05-06 at 15.11.36.png
 

Jim

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2006- Camino Portuguese
2008- Camino Frances
2009- Sanabres extension of the VDLP
2010- Camino Frances
2011- Camino Potuguese
2014- Camino Frances
2017- Camino Finisterre
I wish that I could share your enthusiasm. I'm getting discouraged about this pandemic ending with so many refusing to get vaccinated. 😥
I feel that there will be some risk for quite sone time yet. The degree of risk one is willing to accept will be a personal choice. For those who feel they have had enough (and enough is enough), wishing you a Buen Camino and I recommend only looking forward.
For those wanting to wait, advise scouring your local areas for other similar activities (Californians have the CALIFORNIA MISSION TRAIL, the PACIFIC CREST TRAIL, JOHN MUIR TRAIL and also many regional parks for day hikes). I’m sure most states have alternatives. And then make plans for a Camino when you think you are really ready to enjoy it without some innate fear. For a few, that day might not come, and that’s ok too! The spirit can enjoy a amino hearing of the experiences of others, and Buen Camino to those adventures as well.
 

David

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Year of past OR future Camino
Moissac to Santiago Spring 2005 was the first foray.
REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...

 
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Camino Frances 2005,2008,2010,2015.camino Portuguese 2007 .primativo2012.camino Norte 2009.sjpdp to finisterre and muxia 2007. Le Puy to jpdp 2006. Via francigena vercelli to Lucca 2014. Lucca to Rome 2016.
REALLY??? If the shops are to open, then surely the passport and citizenship offices will open! And then my passport will go in the mail via express post to me and I will die from joy. Are you working on hope, David? Or some specific information? I keep looking at the map and thinking we are nowhere close...
Faye, the Irish passport office is only open for Web Chat
ive tried every which way to call them and no telephone lines are open at present
n fact for some reason I thought they were opening today?
I will try and add the screenshot of the “contact us” page here
they’ve generally been very good when I’ve web chatted them!
They have a lot of patience as I “chat” with then fairly often for news of PP renewal!
 

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