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Well, your pronounciation of Albergue surely isn't corrrect. I don't know where you've picked it.Here's a few tips for new pilgrims or maybe some veterans.
Lemming effect : just because everyone is in line to use a shower or wash basin or anything else for that matter does not mean it's the best or only one. Many times there are other options available but everyone thinks the one in use is the only option because there is a line of people waiting to use it.
If you are sleeping by a window plan on someone in the wee hours to get out of bed and open it no matter what the temperature is outside.
If you are sleeping by a window and you hear bells in towers clanging every hour do not assume they will stop in the early evening if ever.
Bottom bunks are always the one most sought out by pilgrims. It can be difficult to get up to the top bunk after a long days walk and painful coming down for that late night tinkle.
Private Albregues usually take reservations. You can have your hospitalero from where your staying call ahead for you and set up your next night so you won't have to worry about getting a bed at the next stop.
Don't assume the person before you properly cleaned the kitchen items appropriately.
If you go by the popular guide books recommended stops, expect those albergues to have more competition for beds.
Ear plugs are noise dampers not noise stoppers.
The pilgrim scolding you for not being quiet when your unpacking and they're resting at 14:00 will be louder than you when they're packing and leaving at 05:00.
Instead of getting perturbed at your fellow pilgrims obnoxious albergue behavior realize that they just gave you something to talk about over your Cafe Con Leche in the morning. You will laugh about it then; trust me.
Albergue it's pronounced > All-Bur-Gay
If you are sleeping by a window plan on someone in the wee hours to get out of bed and open it no matter what the temperature is outside.
Waaaaaaaaa!!! I could see this happening a mile away.Well, your pronounciation of Albergue surely isn't corrrect................
OK, you can see it this way too, but "albergue" is a Spanish word and we, foreigners, should at least try to pronounce it correctlyWaaaaaaaaa!!! I could see this happening a mile away.You say Tomayto , I say Tomatoe??
OK, you can see it this way too, but "albergue" is a Spanish word and we, forigners, should at least try to pronounce it correctly
OK, you can see it this way too, but "albergue" is a Spanish word and we, forigners, should at least try to pronounce it correctly
When I pointed to the written word 'albergue' on a piece of paper, and asked the woman at the hotel desk in Pamplona, "Como se dice, por favor?" she responded, "Al-BEAR-gay," with a roll of the 'r.'Which is..................?
@MichaelSG
Well, certainly it isn't: All - bur - gay.
It doesn't starts with ALL, like in "all the things..." it's simple AL, like "Al the optimist".
The middle is, as someone already posted, more like BEAR or simple BER (this was posted too).
The end surely isn't GAY, like "gay" for homosexual person, it's simple GE, but you don't pronounce G like at the beginning of "general" or "geography" rather like in the middle of "regular" or "regret"
I would put it down as AL - BER - GE
You can listen at it here:
https://www.wordkiwi.com/pronounce-albergue
and try to write it phonetically.
The IPA transcription is:
albergue - al´βeɾɣe
As a non-native English language speaking person I tried to help. You asked, I answered.I suppose Spaanish speaking people have solved an age old problem that English speaking people have troubled over. I can think of lots of words that sound different as spoken by a New Zealander or a Brit or an American. Heck, I can think of lots or words that sound different as spoken by a Bostonian, an Atlantan or a New Yorker. Come to think of it, people from Staten Island say words differently from people from the Bronx and Queens. Maybe the Spanish need to teach us their secret.
As a non-native English language speaking person I tried to help. You asked, I answered.
It's not about accents it's about norms that every written (and most spoken) language has.
Wish you a nice day!
.....stand on his deck ...... Right? Took me a while to figure that.I understand that there are "dictionary" ways of saying words in all languages. I was just pointing out that perhaps Spanish may be like English in that not everyone says every word the exact same way. Language is about communication and being understood. I understand what a Kiwi is saying when he invited me to stand on his dick and I didn't tell him he is saying the word wrong because it's right for him. I would not be surprised to learn if there are some Spaniards who pronounce "albergue" every way noted above (and soon below!)
Sounds like a raging queen - extend an arm , flop the hand down and enquire " Which way to the Al bare gay? "Al (as in optimist)-BARE-gay
Nevertheless a few unhappy times I have had to find another bunk in the middle of the night due to a consistently overactive neighboring pilgrim who forgot where he was (and that I was old enough to be his grandmother) as he zealously thrashed into 'my' bunk space. Although memorable these were not restful moments.
Try being from Maine..ayuh!I suppose Spaanish speaking people have solved an age old problem that English speaking people have troubled over. I can think of lots of words that sound different as spoken by a New Zealander or a Brit or an American. Heck, I can think of lots or words that sound different as spoken by a Bostonian, an Atlantan or a New Yorker. Come to think of it, people from Staten Island say words differently from people from the Bronx and Queens. Maybe the Spanish need to teach us their secret.
If you stay at an Albergue with a decent kitchen, look at what previous pilgrims have left behind such as oil, salt, pepper, rice, pasta, and other food stuff before you go to the supermercado.
To be honest, I left that stuff alone, just in case it was left by a current pilgrim.
What, again???Clearly the only solution is to watch " that movie" and pronounce it exactly as they do in "that movie".
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Here's a few tips for new pilgrims or maybe some veterans.
Lemming effect : just because everyone is in line to use a shower or wash basin or anything else for that matter does not mean it's the best or only one. Many times there are other options available but everyone thinks the one in use is the only option because there is a line of people waiting to use it.
If you are sleeping by a window plan on someone in the wee hours to get out of bed and open it no matter what the temperature is outside.
If you are sleeping by a window and you hear bells in towers clanging every hour do not assume they will stop in the early evening if ever.
Bottom bunks are always the one most sought out by pilgrims. It can be difficult to get up to the top bunk after a long days walk and painful coming down for that late night tinkle.
Private Albregues usually take reservations. You can have your hospitalero from where your staying call ahead for you and set up your next night so you won't have to worry about getting a bed at the next stop.
Don't assume the person before you properly cleaned the kitchen items appropriately.
If you go by the popular guide books recommended stops, expect those albergues to have more competition for beds.
Ear plugs are noise dampers not noise stoppers.
The pilgrim scolding you for not being quiet when your unpacking and they're resting at 14:00 will be louder than you when they're packing and leaving at 05:00.
Instead of getting perturbed at your fellow pilgrims obnoxious albergue behavior realize that they just gave you something to talk about over your Cafe Con Leche in the morning. You will laugh about it then; trust me.
Albergue it's pronounced > All-Bur-Gay
hm ... that would beOk I think I got it El Kinky One I Say it like this :
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AL Bear Gay
Gracious Amigo
I ask a Mexican I know how to pronounce Spanish words. When I asked him to tell me the pronunciation of Albergue my American ear heard "al ver gay." I said it that way and he turned to another Mexican and said that Americans always get the "al" wrong. He said "al" as in the first syllable of "Oliver." He made me repeat it over and over again. And yes, he made a "v" sound for the "b." So, according to this Mexican it is "Ol ver gay." Just thought I'd throw that in.Here's a few tips for new pilgrims or maybe some veterans.
Lemming effect : just because everyone is in line to use a shower or wash basin or anything else for that matter does not mean it's the best or only one. Many times there are other options available but everyone thinks the one in use is the only option because there is a line of people waiting to use it.
If you are sleeping by a window plan on someone in the wee hours to get out of bed and open it no matter what the temperature is outside.
If you are sleeping by a window and you hear bells in towers clanging every hour do not assume they will stop in the early evening if ever.
Bottom bunks are always the one most sought out by pilgrims. It can be difficult to get up to the top bunk after a long days walk and painful coming down for that late night tinkle.
Private Albregues usually take reservations. You can have your hospitalero from where your staying call ahead for you and set up your next night so you won't have to worry about getting a bed at the next stop.
Don't assume the person before you properly cleaned the kitchen items appropriately.
If you go by the popular guide books recommended stops, expect those albergues to have more competition for beds.
Ear plugs are noise dampers not noise stoppers.
The pilgrim scolding you for not being quiet when your unpacking and they're resting at 14:00 will be louder than you when they're packing and leaving at 05:00.
Instead of getting perturbed at your fellow pilgrims obnoxious albergue behavior realize that they just gave you something to talk about over your Cafe Con Leche in the morning. You will laugh about it then; trust me.
Albergue it's pronounced > All-Bur-Gay
Ok I think I got it El Kinky One I Say it like this :
View attachment 17595 View attachment 17594
AL Bear Gay
Gracious Amigo
Just starting to learn a bit of Spanish and I get so anal about pronunciation that I actually pause between syllables to run through the rules... Several sources say Spanish 'b' and 'v' are the same. I think maybe they don't use our labio dental (teeth against bottom lip) sounds at all. So 'v' and 'f' would actually be voiced and unvoiced bi labials. Well that's the working hypothesis. Riveting, no?I ask a Mexican I know how to pronounce Spanish words. When I asked him to tell me the pronunciation of Albergue my American ear heard "al ver gay." I said it that way and he turned to another Mexican and said that Americans always get the "al" wrong. He said "al" as in the first syllable of "Oliver." He made me repeat it over and over again. And yes, he made a "v" sound for the "b." So, according to this Mexican it is "Ol ver gay." Just thought I'd throw that in.
LOVE your confession, David. I too am addicted to open windows at night - but my husband is not!! Grhhhhhhhh!My name is David and I am a window opener - there, revealed myself.
I sleep with my windows open every night of the year, heating off, windows open - marvellous!
As in Bear Grylls, Al??Just to be clear. If it was me it would be Al Bear Guy.
I say refugio ...
I am a 5th generation Texan and I was raised in Mexico. My mother was an Anglo from Mississippi who was a Spanish and French and Latin Professor - and when I am in Spain people think I am Italian because of the way I speak Spanish. In Mexico they think I am from Spain. (In Texas they think I am from California.)I suppose Spaanish speaking people have solved an age old problem that English speaking people have troubled over. I can think of lots of words that sound different as spoken by a New Zealander or a Brit or an American. Heck, I can think of lots or words that sound different as spoken by a Bostonian, an Atlantan or a New Yorker. Come to think of it, people from Staten Island say words differently from people from the Bronx and Queens. Maybe the Spanish need to teach us their secret.
In California I am Hispanic. In Texas I am a Mexican. In New York I am Puerto Rican. In Florida I am Cuban. I have always thought of myself as an Amerian with Spanish heritage and who happens to be married to a stubborn Irishman from Northern Ireland. In Spain I am just a pilgrim. Buen Camino.I am a 5th generation Texan and I was raised in Mexico. My mother was an Anglo from Mississippi who was a Spanish and French and Latin Professor - and when I am in Spain people think I am Italian because of the way I speak Spanish. In Mexico they think I am from Spain. (In Texas they think I am from California.)
In California I am Hispanic. In Texas I am a Mexican. In New York I am Puerto Rican. In Florida I am Cuban. I have always thought of myself as an Amerian with Spanish heritage and who happens to be married to a stubborn Irishman from Northern Ireland. In Spain I am just a pilgrim. Buen Camino.
thanks for that interesting impromptu lesson - thought that 'irish scouse' is some sort of a goose / bird.I have lived in the U.K. for half a century but have never lost my Irish accent,everyone I speak to knows I'm Irish.Yet when I go back to Ireland,everyone automatically asks what part of the U.K. I am from,hence the "Irish Scouse"title.On the Camino I am a proud Irish Catholic
Yeah, no. Al is Al, Ol is ol. Now, yes, the V and B thing is a mess. "Vay grande", "Vay chica", "Ou Vay"So, according to this Mexican it is "Ol ver gay." Just thought I'd throw that in.
That is how Americans pronounce it ;-)Albergue it's pronounced > All-Bur-Gay
Hey there I am mature and am not a freakish about windows being open..in fact most times it's the younger ones that have to have the d..... window closed.Um, that's how I pronounce alburgue.... How should it be pronounced?
Ok, on this one I say that all too often some freakish older person thinks that a "chill" in the night will cause a swift death hence they close the windows and force the rest of us to secumb to a suffocating mixture of ben-gay and flatulence. Yes, I will be the one opening the window, no matter what the temperature outside, because seriously, inside our high tech lightweight sleeping bags and liners its quite comfortable. Glad you understand. : )
You're right about that! My mother also taught ESL - and she reminded me once when I as whining about Spanish lessons that I wasn't dealing with learning: cough, trough, through/though/threw, thought/taught/taut, draught/raft, drought/bout. Phew! Or...Whew!For what it's worth, one of the things I love most about the Spanish language is that each vowel has a single pronunciation. Unlike English, where an 'e' can be 'eh', 'ee', 'uh', and numerous others, every time you see an 'e' in Spanish, it's pronounced 'eh'. There's definitely regional differences, like the z's and the previously mentioned b's, but you can determine how to pronounce every Spanish word just by looking at it, which is something that my Puerto Rican wife loves to remind me whenever she mispronounces an English word.
Al-bear-gay!
--dave
Verb conjugation on the other hand...You're right about that! My mother also taught ESL - and she reminded me once when I as whining about Spanish lessons that I wasn't dealing with learning: cough, trough, through/though/threw, thought/taught/taut, draught/raft, drought/bout. Phew! Or...Whew!
Whatever else you may be dealing with in Spanish - you at least always know how to pronounce it.
I can think of lots of words that sound different as spoken by a New Zealander or a Brit or an American. Heck, I can think of lots or words that sound different as spoken by a Bostonian, an Atlantan or a New Yorker. Come to think of it, people from Staten Island say words differently from people from the Bronx and Queens. Maybe the Spanish need to teach us their secret.
He said "al" as in the first syllable of "Oliver." He made me repeat it over and over again. And yes, he made a "v" sound for the "b." So, according to this Mexican it is "Ol ver gay."
Several sources say Spanish 'b' and 'v' are the same.
I think maybe they don't use our labio dental (teeth against bottom lip) sounds at all. So 'v' and 'f' would actually be voiced and unvoiced bi labials.
LOLOL....that's "eh" in Canadian!!!This Al might be the one saying Brrrr. Aye?
But don't those accents change how the word is pronounced. I giggled when I saw someone said the first syllable of albergue should be pronounced as "all" and others corrected them - not because I thought it was either right or wrong - but because we may be pronouncing "all" differently! If the person writing that original post happened to be from parts of northern Louisiana, they may have written it as "oil-bear-gay" and everyone else would really be scratching their heads.There are many words that are pronounced differently depending on the variant of Spanish that you speak but I think albergue is a word that most(many?) Spanish speakers would pronounce the same way (or in a very similar way) although, of course, each one with his/her accent.
No, no, it is Al (as in the optimist) Bear ( as in the animal) and Gue as in happy ;0) Doesn't matter what bit of the world you are from. As for accents, yes, big time differences. Spanish is my mother tongue but when I went to work in Paraguay it took me 3-4 days to undertand that accent. Chilean TV: 2 days. Buenos Aires: no time, because it is castellano spoken with Italian intonations.But don't those accents change how the word is pronounced. I giggled when I saw someone said the first syllable of albergue should be pronounced as "all" and others corrected them - not because I thought it was either or wrong - but because we may be pronouncing "all" differently! If the person writing that original post happened to be from parts of northern Louisiana, they may have written it as "oil-bear-gay" and everyone else would really be scratching their heads.
I would have liked to hear the pronounciation of that Mexican. I can't think of a Spanish speaker pronouncing an /a/ like an /o/ and, of course, that includes Mexicans too.
The RAE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Academia_Española) and the language academies of other Spanish speaking countries say they must be pronounced the same way and most people make it that way. It doesn't mean they are pronounced exactly the same way in all countries (and within all countries) and it doesn't mean either you can't find some people pronouncing the "v" as a labio dental phoneme (either due to influence of local languages where it's said that way and the speaker borrows that pronounciation when speaking Spanish or due to the influence of some philologists that suggested to make it that way to differenciate it from the "b" even when the RAE said it shouldn't be pronounced that way).
We make a labio dental sound when pronouncing the /f/.
But don't those accents change how the word is pronounced.
I giggled when I saw someone said the first syllable of albergue should be pronounced as "all" and others corrected them - not because I thought it was either right or wrong - but because we may be pronouncing "all" differently!
Buenos Aires: no time, because it is castellano spoken with Italian intonations.
Are there typical mistakes native English speakers make
You are absolutely correct. Thank you for clarifying this. The "o" in Oliver is more like "ah." Add the "l" and you get "ahl", which is how I pronounced albergue to my Mexican friend and he approved. With more thought I guess if you add the "b" it is rather like "ahlb" as in Albany New York. Then again, I fully admit to having a "bad ear." I was an honor student in high school but got mediocre grades in my two years of Spanish. Then in college I took two years of French and got the same mediocre grades. I can't sing either. I simply attribute it all to having a "bad ear." I never should have contributed to this thread. I have no business commenting on foreign word pronouncements! I work with a French woman (and I lived in Paris) and you should see the looks she gives me when I say something in French! I'll stay out of this thread now.Most interesting, thank you. Are there typical mistakes native English speakers make, the kind you would use to parody the way we mangle your beautiful language?
Apropos Oliver, I think many (but not all!) American speakers tend to pronounce the short 'o' more like 'ah' sometimes, e.g. hot, got, etc. so maybe that explains the Mexican speaker's advice to s. brown.
Ahl-burr-gey! *shivers*
And the Albany in Western Australia is pronounced 'Al-bany.' ['Al' as in @Al the optimist]........it is rather like "ahlb" as in Albany New York.
Really? I can barely get over Derby being pronounced Dirby rather than Darby. But I'm a Kiwi by birth from Dunedin who has been in the Top End for almost half my life. I don't have an accent in either languageAnd the Albany in Western Australia is pronounced 'Al-bany.' ['Al' as in @Al the optimist]
I had a long debate with an older woman from Germany on my last Camino who insisted that the window and door of the albergue room be closed (that particular albergue was divided into 3-4 rooms with about 10 beds each connected by a hallway). Everyone else wanted the window and door open, but she said the night air will get her sick and it was a proven medical fact, and when I said democracy rules and they would stay open she stated "nein, no democracy!" (she really said that). Hmmm.....anyway, I told her that she was being medieval and I would pop the pins out the door hinges and place the door in the hallway until morning if I had to. At that point she capitulated, but I slept with one eye open on a top bunk and thankfully I never saw her again.Um, that's how I pronounce alburgue.... How should it be pronounced?
Ok, on this one I say that all too often some freakish older person thinks that a "chill" in the night will cause a swift death hence they close the windows and force the rest of us to secumb to a suffocating mixture of ben-gay and flatulence. Yes, I will be the one opening the window, no matter what the temperature outside, because seriously, inside our high tech lightweight sleeping bags and liners its quite comfortable. Glad you understand. : )
G'day Donna - well 50 million English people will tell you its "DARBY"- but 1.3 million Sand Gropers (that's West Australians) will tell you even more loudly its DIRBY. During my time in aviation it was always a joy to hear the Aussie on air-ground responding with DIRBY when called by the BOAC/Brittish Airways pilot addressing them as DARBY.Really? I can barely get over Derby being pronounced Dirby rather than Darby. But I'm a Kiwi by birth from Dunedin who has been in the Top End for almost half my life. I don't have an accent in either language
G'day Mike,G'day Donna - well 50 million English people will tell you its "DARBY"- but 1.3 million Sand Gropers (that's West Australians) will tell you even more loudly its DIRBY. During my time in aviation it was always a joy to hear the Aussie on air-ground responding with DIRBY when called by the BOAC/Brittish Airways pilot addressing them as DARBY.
But we have our own idiosyncrasies so we can't throw stones!
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Maaate, we're rank amateurs compared to the Poms. Featherstonehaugh! Magdalen!!
Fanshaw! Maudlin!!I'm going to guess here...Festinhaw and Margdalin
Dear, dear, 'h' is always silent in español. Awspeetahlairah for a lady.Al-bur-gay??? *shivers* Are some of you serious? Good lord... What do the haw-spit-all-earah and the other pelly-grimms think about that? They might send you te the Goo-ar-deeah civil!
Aaaaw, give us a break, will ya ........................when we visit yur fair isle.This thread reminds me of visitors from outside of Ireland attempting to pronounce Irish names
Forgive the intrusion. I am just a freakish old person and not worthy of your consideration. Your generation obviously has more knowledge about all things technical and therefor have every right to impose your desires on the rest of the world. In another post it's said a person is not worthy of courtesy if asleep at 2:00 pm .the writer implying that he/she would go out of their way to make noise.I ask a Mexican I know how to pronounce Spanish words. When I asked him to tell me the pronunciation of Albergue my American ear heard "al ver gay." I said it that way and he turned to another Mexican and said that Americans always get the "al" wrong. He said "al" as in the first syllable of "Oliver." He made me repeat it over and over again. And yes, he made a "v" sound for the "b." So, according to this Mexican it is "Ol ver gay." Just thoug
Um, that's how I pronounce alburgue.... How should it be pronounced?
Ok, on this one I say that all too often some freakish older person thinks that a "chill" in the night will cause a swift death hence they close the windows and force the rest of us to secumb to a suffocating mixture of ben-gay and flatulence. Yes, I will be the one opening the window, no matter what the temperature outside, because seriously, inside our high tech lightweight sleeping bags and liners its quite comfortable. Glad you understand. : )
ht I'd throw that in.
Sat between two young Liverpudlians having a conversation in a steam room today,despite living in Liverpool for over a dozen years ,I could only understand one word in ten.All you "from other lands" haven't got a hope.Fanshaw! Maudlin!!
The genius of weird British pronunciations is that they are unguessable, even by UK natives. I got Fanshaw from an episode of QI in which none of the Brit panellists knew all of the words.
Addendum: this pronunciation of Magdalen is just for the university colleges. The noun 'magdalen' is said as you would expect.
hehe it's all in jest IcacosAaaaw, give us a break, will ya ........................when we visit yur fair isle.
Well, actually it is not, but don't want to go into that once more as we have already been through that extensivelyIt is All BER Gue. And older people aren't the only ones who are freakish.... just sayin'.
Cheers!
Jill
Ok, on this one I say that all too often some freakish older person thinks that a "chill" in the night will cause a swift death hence they close the windows and force the rest of us to secumb to a suffocating mixture of ben-gay and flatulence.
OMG I thought this thread died long ago... but alas... I have offended, and I am sorry for it. Some explanation:
I should have omitted the word "older" in hindsight. In my experience the vast majority of even older perigrinos cringe at the thought of succumbing to a trapped atmosphere of farts and topical creams. Only the rare bird insists on sealing the chamber, and in my experience, those persons have tended to be of the older variety, though they are certainly freakish no matter what their age.
It's a dorm not a bedroom. Dorms by their very nature are noisy. You can't expect a bunch of strangers to synronize to your schedule or habits. People come from all over the world to walk the way and will have different views and customs regarding habits and behavior. Except it.Here's a few tips for new pilgrims or maybe some veterans.
Lemming effect : just because everyone is in line to use a shower or wash basin or anything else for that matter does not mean it's the best or only one. Many times there are other options available but everyone thinks the one in use is the only option because there is a line of people waiting to use it.
If you are sleeping by a window plan on someone in the wee hours to get out of bed and open it no matter what the temperature is outside.
If you are sleeping by a window and you hear bells in towers clanging every hour do not assume they will stop in the early evening if ever.
Bottom bunks are always the one most sought out by pilgrims. It can be difficult to get up to the top bunk after a long days walk and painful coming down for that late night tinkle.
Private Albergues usually take reservations. You can have your hospitalero from where your staying call ahead for you and set up your next night so you won't have to worry about getting a bed at the next stop.
Don't assume the person before you properly cleaned the kitchen items appropriately.
If you go by the popular guide books recommended stops, expect those albergues to have more competition for beds.
Ear plugs are noise dampers not noise stoppers.
The pilgrim scolding you for not being quiet when your unpacking and they're resting at 14:00 will be louder than you when they're packing and leaving at 05:00.
Instead of getting perturbed at your fellow pilgrims obnoxious albergue behavior realize that they just gave you something to talk about over your Cafe Con Leche in the morning. You will laugh about it then; trust me.
Albergue it's pronounced > All-Bur-Gay
There is a phenomenon in silent meditation retreats called 'window wars.' In albergues too.UT, then you won't be upset if I keep closing the window, will you?
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