- Time of past OR future Camino
- September 2019
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I wasn't going to comment in this thread but I'm really curious. Where is the Virgin and Child depicted on the cruceiro of Lameiros? Every image I see shows the crucified Jesus on one side and Mary holding the dead body of her own son on the other side. The base shows the instruments of the Passion, ie the instruments with which Jesus was tortured and later removed from the cross. Of course, one can give any kind of meaning to anything nowadays but the original meaning of the cruceiro is quite clear ..."When you pass the tiny hamlet of Lameiros, you will see a stone cross on your left, considered the most famous on the Camino Frances. It depicts the Virgin and Child on one side and the Passion and Our Lady of Sorrows on the other.
That just confirms what I suspected and already knew about the internetInternet may sometimes create a bit of confusion.
Cross of Lameiros depicts the Passion and the Virgin and the Child, while on the pedestal are Christ, with the symbols of his Passion and His feet and Mary again this time as Our Lady of Sorrows.
Clear photos of Cruceiro de Lameiros has on his website Pilgrim Michael https://michaelspilgrimage.wordpress.com/tag/lameiros/
I hope that it will resolve doubts
And the skull/bones beneath the cross refers to an ancient tradition that Adam (himself) was buried at the place later called Golgotha. I have always taken this as a mystical interpretation myself, but YMMV. The skull is included in many paintings of the Crucifixion. Which are works of art. As are the many ancient crucifix style waymarkers along the path. (I think I remember that they appear also at various points near the end of the Portugues also. At this point, don't remember whether they're also near the end of the Norte--but that merges into the Frances near the end anyway.) The crosses had the Pieta/taking down from the Cross on the reverse side. It seems to be a constant element, this juxtaposition of the Crucifixion and the Pieta on the old stone crosses.That just confirms what I suspected and already knew about the internetand how descriptions are copied from one place to the next, mistakes and all. Never mind. It doesn't really matter ...
But if, after all, you want to correct your guide, have another look, either in the field or perhaps here: https://www.christianiconography.info/spain2005/cruzeiroLigonde.html
Perfect answer!Let the place announce itself to you. But don't worry too much about perfection.
A good place would be at the feet of the statues of the two pilgrims on Monte do Gozo. There are many stones, shells, ribbons and messages there already. It has a lovely "vibe" to it, in my opinion.Hola Peregrinos,
Making my first foray into the Camino world in September. With limited time and commitments, (both of which sound like bogus excuses for not taking a longer leave of my home country) and compadres needs to consider, I (we) will be starting at Sarria with a view to make it to Fisterra. Whilst I have made my peace with not being able to, at this point in my life, make it anywhere near Cruz de Ferro, I feel a certain yearning to be mindful of my life's shortcomings during my journey, as well as being in complete gratitude for every step, and somewhere, lay a stone, offering it all up to the universe. Would anyone be able to offer an alternative cruz between Sarria and SdC? I have something aside to go back to the oceans in Muxia but am also drawn to the ritual of the cross and the symbolism behind it.
Welcoming any suggestions from the community.
Gracias por leer!
Saludos
The pointing pilgrims statue isn't as easy to find as you would think. Find out where they hide themselves by reading this thread:A good place would be at the feet of the statues of the two pilgrims on Monte do Gozo. There are many stones, shells, ribbons and messages there already. It has a lovely "vibe" to it, in my opinion.
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If you look just slightly SW of Monte de Gozo, you'll see the Monument to the Pilgrim. A bit of a walk from Gozo, but not much to a pilgrim who's hiking on average 7 hrs a day. lol. I went there and I'm glad I did.The pointing pilgrims statue isn't as easy to find as you would think. Find out where they hide themselves by reading this thread:
And I'm happy to see that pic.I went there and I'm glad I did
Totally agreePersonally,I think I prefer almost anywhere else on the Camino. And, if the weather is not on your side you will see what I mean! You will pass many Cruceiro's on your route, some big and some small. They all mean something to somebody. Big is not always best.
Have a wonderful Camino, keep it simple and keep it happy.
I'm pleased to read this. I understand the importance of a ritual act of letting go. It is also good to realise that one doesn't have to act out other people's scripts, or a movie script, or follow a tradition that isn't ancient after all. Nothing wrong with new traditions, of course.I just hadn't thought to make this ritual for, and from myself, not doing it for it's own sake.
@Kathar1na, the word is cruceiro.
Is the Cruceiro de Marco do Couto on the way to Fisterra one of the recommendations?
Ive been to Cruz de Ferro 3 times also and have always found it to be a very emotional experience. Thoughts of family and friends I left at home come flooding to me ad do thoughts and memories of family and friends that jave passed.... I am already looking forward ho my 4th visit to The Cruz sometime in late SeptemberDont beat yourself up too much over missing the Cruz de Ferro. I've been there three times and it's never been what I might have liked it to be.... The noisy vans, the school-kid crowds, the whole "Take my photo?!" business, stripped it of any trace of the odor of sanctity.... Not the best place for prayer or meditative reflection.
You can do much better. One possibility? If you are carrying on from SdeC? Just past the point at which the path to Fisterra divides from the path to Muxia, on the path to Fisterra, stands a truely majestic and completely isolated cruceiro. Stop for a spell. Rest. Absorb the silence. Consider how truely blessed you are to be able to be there, offer your stone to, well... 'the universe'.
It seemed like a good idea at first but on further reflection ... ☺.That is almost certainly the crucerio I was thinking of, in re my earlier post! (See Item #3, above.) Perhaps best to leave one's stone elsewhere...!? 'The universe' won't mind either way. (I'm not into the stone thing, myself.)
It seemed like a good idea at first but on further reflection ... ☺.
I've been intrigued by this habit since the day I stood in puzzlement in front of the Croix Thibault on the way up on the Route Napoleon. The article that I quoted earlier says: "Es una vieja costumbre peregrina que en algunos lugares". My Spanish isn't that good. Does this mean "it is an old pilgrim custom only in some places"? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me whether this is correct. It would confirm what I've read about this in other sources than contemporary camino guides and blogs and vlogs.
Thank you. The passage goes like this: Es una vieja costumbre peregrina que en algunos lugares, y puede tener algún sentido en lugares como la Cruz de Ferro, que ya son parte de su identidad y es uno de los hitos clásicos del itinerario, pero no sobre cruceiros centenarios de piedra que además pueden verse afectados por cargas y movimientos sobrevenidos, al margen de la cuestión estética.The first one is incomplete. Could continue like this: "..que en algunos lugares se depositen piedras".
This nice comment reminded me that I sometimes feel if there is something like parallel universes it's on the Camino de Santiago. ☺'The universe' won't mind either way.
It's wrong. The phrase makes sense without the "que".Thank you. The passage goes like this: Es una vieja costumbre peregrina que en algunos lugares, y puede tener algún sentido en lugares como la Cruz de Ferro, que ya son parte de su identidad y es uno de los hitos clásicos del itinerario, pero no sobre cruceiros centenarios de piedra que además pueden verse afectados por cargas y movimientos sobrevenidos, al margen de la cuestión estética.
I tried to find something about this grammatical use of "que" in Spanish but without success and I take it from your reply that's it's a bit unusual. Or even wrong?
Having recently arrived from the CF, I can tell you that Cruz de Ferro was a major highlight for me-but I was fortunate to have it all to myself for a good 10 min. If you arrive with throngs of people there, it will be underwhelming-that happened to me at Alto de Perdon. Summer camps with kids everywhere. I agree with Tincatinker suggestions at the end of his reply to this thread. You'll know in your heart when and where to lay what you bring.
This nice comment reminded me that I sometimes feel if there is something like parallel universes it's on the Camino de Santiago. ☺
A proper guidebook on the Camino de Santiago which, I think, is largely well researched and knowledgeable about Camino and Spain but has the (for me ominous sounding) words "Sacred Sites" in the title...
On the whole, I have a good impression of this guidebook so I won't name them to spare them any potential embarrassment. But I just had to share this.Which guide book is that?! I want it! Does Ivar sell copies? ... And does it say anything about the Sundering Seas?
Now that the question of the first poster has been answered, I hope she doesn't object when this line is pursued a little bit further. There's a good article about ornamented cruceiros that show imagery from the Passion of Christ and, often, the Original Sin. The author is called Lily Arad and the title is Jerusalem in Galicia: From the Navel of the World to the Ends of the Earth. It costs something like $25 to read but it also pops up in books.google.com, about 20 pages, and can be read for free without any pages being omitted. ☺(I think I remember that they appear also at various points near the end of the Portugues also. [...] The crosses had the Pieta/taking down from the Cross on the reverse side. It seems to be a constant element, this juxtaposition of the Crucifixion and the Pieta on the old stone crosses.
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