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It is, Laurie. I walked it in 2014 and it's really non-impressive and long slog, mostly on tarmac and pavements. Not much traffic though. Only good thing is that you approach the viaduct in Segovia fully frontal and that's really a great view.Are you going to walk from Valsain to Segovia? Would be interested in hearing what that is like, since it seems likely it could be just alongside a road. Many thanks, undermanager! Buen camino, Laurie
Sounds like I am missing out!!!So, wait a minute. If you were in Tres Cantos on Sunday, and Maggie was in Tres Cantos on Sunday, you must have met up with Maggie and her little band of 5!
Such a small world when you're a forum member! Buen camino to all of you.
Thanks @Undermanager great reports! Really looking forward to next week. That sounds a really fun excursion - I think(!) it is what I have planned. This brings you past Valsain??Day 4 Cercedilla - La Pradera de Navalhorno - Real Sitio de San Ildefonso - 27kms
Yes indeed. And a happy band of Camino warriors they are, too! We all stayed in Mataelpino and Cercedilla, and tonight some are in Real Sitio and some went on to Segovia.
I think that the town is called La Granja de San Ildefonso and Real Sitio de San Ildefonso is the name of the Royal Palace and the area around it.Day 4 Cercedilla - La Pradera de Navalhorno - Real Sitio de San Ildefonso - 27kms
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After lunch, I started the walk to Real Sitio de San Ildefonso. You walk along the tarmac for two or three kilometres, and then look for a dirt track on the right, with a concrete pillar with the Roman numerals VII on and take that. You then arrive about 15 minutes later in the small town of La Pradera de Navalhorno. You walk along the road and as you exit the town, there is a hotel and a bar, where you can grab something to eat and a drink. The walk to Real Sitio de San Ildefonso takes about half an hour from here, along a dirt path on the right hand side of the road.
Good luck. I have walked Camino de Madrid three times and I love it. You have a fantastic camino in front of you. Buen Camino from SwedenDay 1 Birmingham to Tres Cantos
As usual, the fretting about what to do for Day 1 and how to get there was a waste of time. It was all painless and went very well. I arrived at Terminal 1, went up to the top level and hopped on a free 10 minute shuttle bus to terminal 4, and then took a Renfe train for three stops to Chamartin and switched to another Renfe train towards Colmenar Viejo, getting off at Tres Cantos, (cost €2.6) then a 20 minute walk to Hostel Tres Cantos. It is an okay hotel for one night, but the walls are paper thin and any noise in the corridor gets amplified so the earplugs will be out tonight! My neighbours are English and LOUD. Note to self: don't arrive on a Sunday next time so you can stay at the albergue. There are plenty of bars and cafes around the hotel so you don't have to walk too far. Breakfast is at 6.00am tomorrow so will be up bright and early. Still not decided whether to walk to Colmenar or take a train yet - not sure the body is ready for 35kms on day 1 but tomorrow is a new day so we will see. Perhaps I need to flip a coin ....
Thanks for these great posts @Undermanager I am setting out from Madrid on Thursday. I would be interested in trying maps.me (which I have just installed) and would be very happy if you could link to the track you used.I completely recommend the app called maps.me - it is brilliant once you have set it up and worked out how to use it. Have a play in a park near where you live before you leave for Spain. Watch a YouTube video on how to use it. If you need a track for the Camino for use in maps.me, just ask and I'll post the one I have been using.
Oh, boy, I do remember a relaxing evening in Bar Real in 2014 when I was watching EU football championship. Netherlands won with the help of referees......
Tonight is going to be a relaxing evening and then another short 25km walk to Puente Duero tomorrow.
Hello, Tim,Thanks for these great posts @Undermanager I am setting out from Madrid on Thursday. I would be interested in trying maps.me (which I have just installed) and would be very happy if you could link to the track you used.
Yes I know the second is a typo, (I guessDay 8 Alcazaren - Valdestillas - Puente Duero - 27kms
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After about 12kms, the land just opened up. There was no cover anywhere, and we three amigos crossed 5kms of this just as a torrential rain storm hit. It was really invigorating and lots of fun as we frog-marched across the countryside, mainly because we had the right clothes on for this eventuality.
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You walk out along the road, then follow a toad for a few kilometres,
Ask at that bar and they will open the church. And you can see the casa demorte. A room built from bones and skulls of the people they found once they started to build the church. 400 ad.Day 9 Puente Duero - Simancas - Cigunuela - Wamba - Penaflor de Hornija - 26kms
I had coffee and toast at the albergue for a very reasonable €2 and left at 8.00am. There really is no reason to stay in this drab and uninteresting town apart from the slightly wacky albergue, especially when Simancas is only a further 6kms away. It took an hour and a half to get there along a dirt track that ran beside the road. The bridge you cross as you enter the hilltop town is great but gets better as you climb higher. Take note of the fantastic cafe at the far end of the bridge with hundreds of chairs - ideal for hot evenings. Climb up to the town and relax in the lovely Plaza Mayor, explore the medieval lanes, the castle and museum and of course, the church. There are cheap hostels here but no albergue but it is definitely worth a stay overnight.
The walk from Simancas to Cigunuela is just fantastic, along a valley with high rolling hills either side. It's quite an ancient area, with a stone monument you can visit a short distance outside of Simancas. It's about one kilometre off the Camino and well signposted. Cigunuela had little of note that I found and quickly passed through, on to Wamba.
The walk to Wamba is along a dirt track, flat, warm and a fantastic walk. The countryside is so big here. I had music blasting out as I strode along the dirt track and could have kept going for miles. Wamba appeared after about an hour and a half. This small pretty village has working water fountains as you enter the village, and a few bars. I had lunch in the only open one, which is on the left down a small side road - follow the Camino arrows and keep your eyes peeled - you can't miss it. It has a really nice seating area at the back and did a brilliant range of great sandwiches. After half an hour, I climbed out of Wamba and walked more flat dirt track in glorious weather all the way to Penaflor de Hornija.
This place is another wonderful Spanish hilltop village. The village is really pretty as you approach it in the distance, but as you get closer, you will see that you have to descend and climb up two small valleys. I got the albergue keys by asking in the bar a few buildings down from the fruit shop, near the working water fountains. The albergue is big, clean, has beds for 8 people, a shower and toilet, fully functioning kitchen and a drying area. It's really nice and a bargain for €3. The bar does do food and the fruit shop is there, but you might want to bring some supplies just in case they aren't open and also for breakfast the next day. I didn't see any other facilities in the village. As it happened, I did eat in Bar Hornija and the dinner was fantastic. If you walk around the outskirts of the village in the evening, you'll get some fantastic views and great photos. It's a stunning place to stay.
Really looking forward to tomorrow. It should be even warmer than today and more blue sky. I love the big blue skies in Spain!
Another typo in this thread I'd say...That's in wamba . Sorry you missed it. I have walked this route 5 times. Usuall takes me 9 days out of cederella. I start this year may 31. Mad-Francis-inferno.
There was no places to stay in between?? 36 km, would be too far for meDay 2 Tres Cantos - Colmenar Viejo - Manzanares el Real - Mataelpino - 36kms
An excellent day but knackering as the fitness levels aren't what they should be yet. I left the hotel in Tres Cantos at 6:30 this morning, walking rather than taking the train which would've taken only nine minutes to Colmenar Viejo. The dawn chorus was in full swing and really loud in places. It took about three hours to get to CV and I passed through without a hitch. It's a pretty section. The weather was perfect but warming up quickly. CV to Manzanares is on a track that is very open so hot. I took two litres of water for this stretch and needed it all. There are some great views of Madrid disappearing into the distance. I stopped off in Manzanares at around 2pm. From the roundabout with a bus stop as you enter the town, you go over a tiny old bridge and there is a shop on your left. You can stock up there and then walk back and cross the road to the park, down to the river and soak your feet and relax. After half an hour I left and walked to Mataelpino. This part of the walk is pretty spectacular. There are tall mountains on the right hand side nearly all the way that are impressive. The weather had changed at this point. The clouds had turned black and there were really loud thunder storm claps for over an hour but fortunately no rain. The albergue in Mataelpino is brilliant and well worth making the effort to stay in. It has a big dining room, comfortable beds with IKEA furnishings, fantastic showers and there's a shop and bars close by - well worth the 8 Euros! I had a simple dinner and then had a chat to some of the others who arrived after me. I'm going to start late tomorrow as I don't have very far to go. Hopefully, the body will have recovered a little by then as well, although the forecast for tomorrow is definitely rain so could be fun.
Well spell check lol hola kinky.Another typo in this thread I'd say...
It is hilly and very steep in parts but "inferno"???
Buen Camino, Jerry!
There was no places to stay in between?? 36 km, would be too far for me
There are options in Manzanares of course and at least because of its castle it would be a shame not to stay overnight there but Mataelpino albergue isn't that far away.@Zoula
I am going that way this weekend and will report back. The albergue in Manzanares el Real is reported as closed at the moment. I have found another option and will let you know.
I seem to have a bit of 'nappy rash' on the inside of the top of my legs where I guess the trousers are rubbing. May have to walk naked for a few days, until it clears up. Any suggestions to deal with this, apart from talcum powder and walking naked, and how are you supposed to wash tights without getting a ladder in them?
There is another bar in the village (and carniceria). If you were on the Plaza by the church you just have to turn your back to the church and you would be looking at that bar directly across the square. Quite famous BTW because of the owners, an elderly couple still running the business at 90+ years old....
There is a nice looking albergue as you enter the village but I have no idea what it's like. I found only one bar, on the right as you walk in but it was hard to spot - look for a few posters stuck in the window. The water fountain next to the church was working. I didn't spot any shops, although a mobile van turned up selling fish!...
Ask at that bar and they will open the church. And you can see the casa demorte. A room built from bones and skulls of the people they found once they started to build the church. 400 ad.
Day 11 Marina de Rioseco - Tamariz de Campos - Moral de la Reina - Cuenca de Campos - 28kms
The first part of the walk is nice enough, about 8kms on a path alongside a canal, with plenty of shade and lots of cuckoos being loud. There are a few pretty bridges and then at the end of 8kms, a massive abandoned warehouse or mill of some sort with a few seats, a bridge and a nice place to relax. Then you head off down a quiet tarmac road for around 4 or 5kms to Tamariz de Campos.
You are making great progress and I am getting more and more jealous. Léon a top favourite place of mine. And tomorrow the Salvador...Will set off on the Camino de Salvador tomorrow. The forecast isn't looking too great for the next week but tomorrow should be fine.
Thanks Laurie, I just received my guide and will be reading it seriously, lol...Hi, Zoula,
There are places to stay in both Colmenar el Viejo and Manzanares, so no need to walk 36.
Thanks Tim, looking forward to reading your post!@Zoula
I am going that way this weekend and will report back. The albergue in Manzanares el Real is reported as closed at the moment. I have found another option and will let you know.
@Zoula you will see what I did in Manzanares El Real in my own 'Live from the Camino'. TimThanks Tim, looking forward to reading your post!
Thanks Undermanager for taking time to answer. I am really enjoying your posts and really considering the Madrid for my 3rd camino next Spring! Buen Camino!Re Manzanares and Mataelpino albergue.
There are places to stay including cheap hotels in Manzanares and it is a pretty place to stay for an afternoon, as it is a tourist destination with a castle. You can also catch a bus to Mataelpino if you are worn out, stay in the albergue, then either continue from there, or bus it back to Manzanares the next day and continue. There is nothing to see in Mataelpino itself, but the walk between the two is really impressive so is a shame to miss.
In 2014 there was a shop situated in the Ayto. building to the left if you're facing the main entrance. Small, with limited opening hours but completely adequate. Maybe they closed it??? Lady owning the bar would know if it's permanently closed. As the rest of the villagers, of course, stupid meThe path to Cuenca de Campos is about 8kms long, is dusty and there is no shade at all. ...
There is no shop but you can eat at the restaurant or the bar.
I stayed in that albergue in Villalon but haven't noticed any other arrows you are describing. Anyway I had the impression that albergue is on the Camino because the arrows led me from albergue in straight line. I guess either "official Camino" or "albergue Camino" are making loop at some point and reconnect. Either way you won't get lost here. Also a huge hotel/bar/restaurante some 50mts past the albergue.Beware the yellow arrows - they all seem to take you to the albergue! When you enter the large Plaza Mayor, head over to the far right corner. You will see a Santander bank, a Suma supermarket next to it and opposite, a fruit shop. Pick up your supplies here and to continue on the Camino, go down the small road so that the Santander bank is on your right. If the bank and supermarket is on your left on the main road, you are heading to the albergue, at 90 degrees to the Camino.
There is another bar (more like centro social) down the street to the left from bar/albergue mentioned. They too cook and more important for me personally they sell cigarettes. But the bar opposite the church is quite nice, has a small shop and an albergue of course. Haven't heard any bad review ever....More dirt track and another 8kms will take you to Santervas de Campos. Head towards the church to find the bar, which did great food and a welcome beer and had wifi. There is also an albergue here. Apart from the church and bar, this village appeared to have no other facilities. It might be a nice quiet place to recharge the batteries....
Albergue dormitory is actually located in former prison...
You then follow a small stream for about 7 kilometres into the wonderfully impressive Grajal de Campos. as you enter the town, you may lose the yellow arrows. Find Plaza Mayor and the albergue entrance is in one corner, the big modern glass doors next to the municipal building - just head for the biggest tower you can see! The albergue is seriously impressive. It costs €6 euros and is in an old house or palace, with courtyards, a well, arches, ancient doors, old style bricks and oozes the past. There are some great showers and a dorm that looks like an old wine cellar. There is a microwave but no kitchen, and very few electrical sockets. There is a shop close by and a great bar with food and wifi in the opposite corner of the Plaza Mayor.....
I think there's no right and wrong way on this stretch. Left option goes through Moral de la Reina but already from Medina de Rioseco and is on abandoned RR. I got the impression that Amigos prefer the way along the Canal de Castilla and through Tamariz de Campos. Anyway I didn't see any other marked option after huge mill at the canal or after Tamariz to turn left and go to Moral de la Reina... That's why it was easy for meInterested to read this. This is one of those eternal debates on the forum about where to go when you get to that huge abandoned building. I think you took the longer route and missed a nice off-road path. Just a heads up for people walking the Madrid, there are several ways into Cuenca de Campos. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/my-camino-de-madrid-sahagún-june-july-2016.42152/#post-435513
The confusion seems to go back many years and the turnoff to Tamariz still appears in a few guides. I think Medina de Rioseco to Villalon is 27, so if Medina to Cuenca was 28 for you, you definitely went further than I did!
You'll see on my thread that I stayed with Ray and Rosa of rayyrosa.com in Manzanares El Real. For one person or a couple, they are providing accommodation in their home. They walked with me as far as Mataelpino next morning and I agree if was a particularly nice stretch.Re Manzanares and Mataelpino albergue.
There are places to stay including cheap hotels in Manzanares and it is a pretty place to stay for an afternoon, as it is a tourist destination with a castle. You can also catch a bus to Mataelpino if you are worn out, stay in the albergue, then either continue from there, or bus it back to Manzanares the next day and continue. There is nothing to see in Mataelpino itself, but the walk between the two is really impressive so is a shame to miss.
Hi, Maggie,Hi Dave. Marilyn and I am in Buixa tonight and praying that the promised rain doesn't come to fruition tomorrow. Eli is a stage behind and Paul has gone home. Just heard thunder rumbling!
Hi, Maggie,
If the weather really gets nasty you have safer option for Pajares via Villamanin. It's on Gronze but I'll add short description:
- exit the albergue and go up the Calle de la Iglesia to the church, pass it by its right side,
- KSO and uphill in the same direction as power line runs,
- 200mts elevation and 2,2km later you'll be on the pass between two valleys,
- KSO down hill to Villasimpliz, cross the N-630 and there is a bus station (200mts elevation, 2,3km from the pass),
- turn left on N-630 and later take smaller tarmac road to the right just before the tunnel,
- after the tunnel at the FF.CC. sign you can take local tarmac road to the right that will take you straight to Villamanin or stay on N-630 until Meson Ezequiel (3,2km from bus stop) - 2€ large beer, huuuge tapas!!!, there's daily bus back to La Robla (around 1PM I think, also train) and all infrastructure,
- from Villamanin all the way is by the side of N-630, not really nice but I did took it exactly because of the rain,
Accumulated distances for next villages (from Meson Ezequiel) are:
- Villanueva de la Tercia: 3,1
- Busdongo: 7,7
- Arbas del Puerto: 11,2
- Puerto de Pajares: 12,8
- albergue Pajares (via N-630, a bit scary but possible): 17,6
- that makes Buiza - Villamanin - Pajares 25km.
I do hope the weather will be fine and you'll be safe on the mountain path.
Agree, Laurie. It wasn't nice at all but at least I saw what's in front of me and I could've jump to the side in case of some strange driving. I've spent a good part of my youth in mountains (let's say from 7 to 30 yo) every weekend at least, also as a climber, and I really do know how dangerous mountain walking in the fog, rain and suddenly lowered temps can be even if you know the way by heart.I do hate to disagree with my esteemed pal K1, but I would NEVER reommend walking alongside the N-630. On my very first Camino del Salvador, in about 2007, I think, we got lost in Buiza and wound up in Villasimpliz and the intersection with the N-630. So far so good, but the rest of the way up to Puerto de Pajares was absolutely hair raising. It was worse than the Lebaniego into Potes on the side of the road, worse than any road walking I have ever done. There was a continuous stream of big trucks. I imagine that in the rain it would be even worse.
Buen camino, Laurie
Tim, how do I access your "Live from the Camino".. I cannot seem to find it??You'll see on my thread that I stayed with Ray and Rosa of rayyrosa.com in Manzanares El Real. For one person or a couple, they are providing accommodation in their home. They walked with me as far as Mataelpino next morning and I agree if was a particularly nice stretch.
Under Camino Madrid subforum. I hope this will work....Tim, how do I access your "Live from the Camino".. I cannot seem to find it??
There is a nice looking albergue as you enter the village but I have no idea what it's like. I found only one bar, on the right as you walk in but it was hard to spot - look for a few posters stuck in the window. The water fountain next to the church was working. I didn't spot any shops, although a mobile van turned up selling fish!
You then follow a small stream for about 7 kilometres into the wonderfully impressive Grajal de Campos. as you enter the town, you may lose the yellow arrows. Find Plaza Mayor and the albergue entrance is in one corner, the big modern glass doors next to the municipal building - just head for the biggest tower you can see! The albergue is seriously impressive. It costs €6 euros and is in an old house or palace, with courtyards, a well, arches, ancient doors, old style bricks and oozes the past.
I am here now. Still just two bunks in one room and shower and toilet, fridge and microwave and heater. Spotlessly clean. At the polideportivo. Ayuntamiento gives contact for phoning for key. A no-brainer at €5. Lovely modern Hotel Fray Sebastian opposite, very welcoming,"The albergue in Navacerrada de la Asuncion is listed as 4 beds, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it."
Timr, far as I know, there's a newer, bigger albergue in Nava de la Asuncion. The 4 bed albergue was in the bull ring, very basic, but lots of fun. We stayed in it in 2009, but when we passed through Nava in 2014, we didn't stay but were told by Marguerite there was a big wonderful albergue. Really recommend that town. Marguerite from the Bakery had the key and was very helpful and kind. Buen camino.
We made it to Pajares. We started off in cloud but not cold. By the time we reached Poladura it was clear and stayed that way - even had a bit of blue sky from time to time. What an amazing walk, arrived in Pajares elated but knackered.
So sorry to hear this. When I saw that you are going straight from Pajares to Pola de Lena I thought it's because of time constraints otherwise I would recommend Sandra's place. Obviously you didn't do your homework because I remember this place was mentioned oh so many times this past autumn and always in the most positive way. Sandra can even pick you up down in the village upon phone call. There is a fixed price for bed and dinner and everything else you use/eat/drink is on donativo basis.Now that's a shame. I think I would certainly have stopped off there if I'd known before hand that there were some facilities like food and beer available! you can't beat the location if you like the countryside.
@KinkyOne PLEASE remind me of this when I return to finish Madrid - Salvador, I HOPE, in October - November.So sorry to hear this. When I saw that you are going straight from Pajares to Pola de Lena I thought it's because of time constraints otherwise I would recommend Sandra's place. Obviously you didn't do your homework because I remember this place was mentioned oh so many times this past autumn and always in the most positive way. Sandra can even pick you up down in the village upon phone call. There is a fixed price for bed and dinner and everything else you use/eat/drink is on donativo basis.
Enjoy the rest of Salvador!
Well done! Great achievement especially keeping up the daily reports. I started Primitivo in Oviedo at the end of May last year, and loved every day of it. There are a few days that will test your failing sole, but I'm sure your soul will see you through!Day 19 Pola de Lena - Uxo - Mieres del Camino - Olloniego - Oviedo - 35kms
Pola de Lena isn't overly exciting, but I did find a great bar to have some cider in and the meal of the day, but can't remember its name. There were about 20 bars close together in the centre so you will just have to explore. If you are going to return to the hostel later than 10.00pm, don't forget to get an Entry Card so you can get back in the albergue!
Today was cloudy and the forecast not good, but in the end it was warm and no rain at all. I left Pola de Lena just before 7.00am and walked past two cafes in town that were open for morning coffees and breakfast but planned to have mine later. I was keen to get some kilometres in as it was a long hike today. The whole hike today took just over 9 hours, arriving in Oviedo just after 4.00pm.
The walk to Uxo was along a tarmac track by the river. You skirt past Uxo rather than walk through it. As you meet the first few buildings in Uxo, keep your eyes open on the left for a commercial bakery. Lots of people were popping in to buy their loaves from it. If you turn left just before the last very large building that looks a bit like a sports centre in Uxo and walk 50 yards, you will see an open cafe for coffee in a red brick building on the left.
The walk to Mieres del Camino was LOUD. You continue to walk on tarmac by the river, but on the left of you, you will also have a train line at times, and on the right on the other side of the river, a huge main road and another train line! As you enter the sprawling town of Mieres, there is a Dia Maxi supermarket on the left, for cheap supplies. The albergue is right on the other side of town and it took not far off half an hour to get close to it. I'm sure if you gave it some time, Mieres might be nice, but I wasn't inspired.
One of the last buildings as you exit the suburbs of Mieres is Hostel Meson La Pena. I stopped here for coffees and breakfast. It looked fine as a cheap hotel, too, but the area is a bit grim. It might be fun to experience for a night.
From here, you walk about an hour uphill along a road. After the last three days, anything less than 45 degrees is roughly flat and although this was uphill, it wasn't exactly strenuous. You pass through one village after another, with lots of cyclists whizzing past and you see many photogenic derelict buildings. The top and views were nice but the cafes and bars up there were shut for some reason. Then you hit your first dirt track going downhill, but it doesn't last long.
The countryside is very pretty from here onwards and you descend and walk along roads and tracks until you reach the long town of Olloniego, where you can find half a dozen bars, shops, ATMs, trains, busses and anything else you need. As you exit Olloniego, you encounter the first track that might make you burst into a sweat. It's quite a hard climb uphill on a dirt track but only lasts about 15 minutes. You then get to the top and follow roads down before hitting more dirt track upwards.
Eventually, you do get to the top and are rewarded with some great views. You follow the road down, then up, then down etc etc until Oviedo comes into view. Then it takes another hour or two of up and down to get into the centre! I decided yesterday to have a rest day so have booked myself into Favila Oviedo, costing 70 Euros for two nights for a room with private bath. It seems fine but will probably need to wear earplugs as a wooden floor is everywhere and that transmits noise! I will be setting off on the Primitivo on Saturday.
Tonight, I plan to finish my current novel and eat the 10 Euro meal of the day downstairs in the hotel cafe. Tomorrow, I'll do a gentle wander and self-guided tour of Oviedo, and read about and plan the stages of the Primitivo - as I know nothing at all about this Camino and its stages, although I have a few guides downloaded! Hopefully, I'll be able to do this Camino in about 10 or 11 days.
The weather is set to improve, too, in a few days, which is a bonus. Still no major problems with the feet, although the rucksack is falling apart and the first signs of the sole on one shoe not being happy has appeared.
Looking forward to a whole day off!
I agree completely that the path to Mataelpino from Manzanares is quite spectacular. I had the good fortune of walking it with Ray y Rosa who were great guides to flora, fauna, geology and folklore.Re Manzanares and Mataelpino albergue.
There are places to stay including cheap hotels in Manzanares and it is a pretty place to stay for an afternoon, as it is a tourist destination with a castle. You can also catch a bus to Mataelpino if you are worn out, stay in the albergue, then either continue from there, or bus it back to Manzanares the next day and continue. There is nothing to see in Mataelpino itself, but the walk between the two is really impressive so is a shame to miss.
Will do so, no problem@KinkyOne PLEASE remind me of this when I return to finish Madrid - Salvador, I HOPE, in October - November.I'm in Villeguillo for tonight. Suddenly got very windy today, but still warm and no rain. Tim
After Añe anywhere with a bar is special! Lovely friendly bar here, though it closed at 8pm.Will do so, no problem
Villeguillo? Ah, a special village for me and @Donovan (or was it @Undermanager ???).
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