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dougfitz said:.... Whenever I have flown with Ryanair, there have always been oversized cabin bags that don't fit into the overhead lockers.
Kitsambler said:...I disassemble my Pacer Poles and wrap them, along with the knife and scissors, for checking. ...
Meredith1 said:How do you disassemble (your Pacers) to make them fit inside your bag? And have TSA folk never challenged you on bringing on board something that could be used to bludgeon someone (the reason an agent by phone told me I couldn't bring mine).
Checking, as in, checking baggage. I have not brought Pacers or sharps into the cabin.Kitsambler said:I disassemble my Pacer Poles and wrap them, along with the knife and scissors, for checking.
Checking, as in, checking baggage. I have not brought Pacers or sharps into the cabin.
grayland said:bklyntraveller
Take a good look at Laurie's post above.
No one has ever suggested trying to confuse the TSA.
The poles are allowed in some airports and not in others (on certain days).
We have suggested that the poles be disassembled and rubber tips be installed on ends of sticks.
The poles can then be put in a shipping tube (adequate for check in if necessary) and put in pack.
Thus...if the TSA agent on duty the moment you go through decides it must be checked...you can easily check it.
The TSA rules in the U.S. may not apply elsewhere, but for those departing from the U.S., you probably should plan to check poles.On the Spot: Walking stick won't be flying in carry-on baggage
It's on the TSA no-no list, but it may fit in checked bags, or hikers can buy a stick in their destination country.
January 15, 2012, Los Angeles Times
Question: My husband and I are planning a walking holiday in Ireland along the Dingle Way. Are we permitted to bring our hiking poles as carry-on items along with our day packs on our flights, or must they be checked? If they are to be checked, any recommendations on how best to package them?Answer: You'll find an amazingly long list of things you cannot take on a plane as carry-on at the Transportation Security Administration's website, http://www.tsa.gov (click on "Prohibited Items"). Some never-ever items are just common sense — loaded guns, for instance, although Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Republican from San Bernardino, recently tried to get on a flight to Sacramento with a .45-caliber handgun and ammo. (An "unfortunate mistake," he said later.)
Other items may surprise you as carry-on no-can-do's: gel shoe inserts, gel candles and snow globes. Oh, and don't forget drills and drill bits for all of you do-it-yourselfers who just can't leave them at home.
A hiking pole also is a nonstarter as a carry-on. A regular cane, when used as an assistive device, is OK, but "hiking sticks, like ski poles, are not permitted," said Nico Melendez, a TSA rep.
They are fine as checked baggage, Melendez notes. Brown's stick collapses to 28 inches so she may be able to fit it in her luggage if her luggage is large enough. (Some wheeled duffels measure as much as 29 inches long and could accommodate a stick.) Otherwise, the pole will have to be packaged according to the airline's specifications for sporting equipment. Best to check with the individual airline because policies may differ. Note, too, that if you check the stick, you may be stuck with extra baggage fees.
My suggestion would be to leave the stick at home and buy one at your destination. James Byrne of Hillwalk, Ireland (http://www.hillwalkireland.com), which arranges self-guided tours, told me that the Mountain Man Outdoor Shop (http://www.themountainmanshop.com) on Strand Street in Dingle "stocks a range of high-quality hiking sticks" from $38-$55. They're made by Mountain King (http://www.mountainking.co.uk), "a reputed hiking outfitter on this side of the Atlantic," Byrne said. That way, you worry about transporting your stick only one way. Plus you have a nice souvenir from the trip.
But hold the phone, friends. By suggesting this, I may be taking a walk on the riled side. An avid hiker tells me that some poles have gone uptown and that some hikers have quite an investment in them. "There has been an explosion of upscale hiking poles ($100 and up) that collapse, are made of titanium, have external or internal fittings, etc.," said Mary Forgione, an avid outdoorswoman who worked on the staff of the Times Outdoors section and now is the daily Travel and Deals blogger for latimes.com/traveldeals. "Gone are the carefully culled tree limbs of yore you would find along the trail…I favor Leki and Black Diamond with external fittings."
But why? "They really, really do save wear and tear on your knees — whether you're 20 or 80," said Forgione, who is somewhere between 20 and 80.On the Spot: Walking stick won't be flying in carry-on baggage.
It is applicable to U.S. airports only.Thank you for your e-mail about traveling with sporting/hobby equipment.
Certain sporting and hobby equipment cannot be brought on-board an aircraft. For example, baseball bats, bows and arrows, cricket bats, golf clubs, hockey sticks, lacrosse sticks, pool cues, ski poles, hiking poles/sticks, and spear guns are prohibited and not allowed as carry-on items.
Although these items are prohibited from carry-on baggage, they may be transported in checked baggage. Any sharp objects in checked baggage should be sheathed or securely wrapped to prevent injury to baggage handlers and security screeners. Currently, ice skates, roller skates, skateboards, tennis racquets, and electronic hobby equipment (such as coin-detecting devices) are permitted as carry-on items and are required to undergo x-ray screening.
Transportation Security Officers (TSOs) have the discretion to prohibit an individual from carrying an item through the screening checkpoint or onboard an aircraft if they believe the item poses a security threat. Therefore, TSA security screening personnel make the final decision on whether to permit items into the sterile area of the airport. TSA recommends that passengers place any questionable sporting equipment in their checked baggage.
We encourage all travelers to familiarize themselves with TSA Travel Tips prior to their trip. Our Web site, http://www.tsa.gov, has information about prohibited and permitted items, the screening process and procedures, and guidance for special considerations that may assist in preparing for air travel. Travelers can go directly to these tips at http://www.TSATravelTips.us.
We hope this information is helpful.
TSA Contact Center
I have previously pointed out that there are regulations banning hiking poles as cabin baggage in the EU and elsewhere. The advice falcon269 might be from the TSA, but the same restriction applies to Europe and other places around the world.falcon269 said:It is applicable to U.S. airports only.
Without getting all lawyerly, items most similar to trekking poles are: 1) walking cane, 2) ski pole, 3) pool cue, 4) golf club, 5) hockey stick. Since we all know the difference between a walking cane and pointed trekking poles, I would not expect TSA to categorize them as a cane. Again, these are U.S. regulations. [TSA 7-02, April 30 2002; subject to future revision]Items permitted in aircraft cabins:
Pets (if permitted by airline check with airline for procedures)
Walking canes and umbrellas (once inspected to ensure prohibited items are not concealed)
Nail clippers with nail files attached
Nail files
Tweezers
Safety razors (including disposable razors)
Syringes (with medication and professionally printed label identifying medication or manufacturer's name)
Insulin delivery systems
Eyelash curlers
Items prohibited from aircraft cabins:
The following items will not be allowed through the security checkpoint. Please note that this list is not all-inclusive. In addition to items specifically listed here other items that may be deemed to present a potential threat may also be prohibited.
Ammunition
Automatic weapons
Axes
Baseball bats
BB guns
Billy clubs
Blackjacks
Blasting caps
Bows and arrows
Box cutters
Brass knuckles
Bull whips
Cattle prods
Compressed air guns
Corkscrews
Cricket bats
Crow bars
Disabling chemicals or gases
Dog repellent spray
Dynamite
Fire extinguishers
Flare pistols
Golf clubs
Gun lighters
Gunpowder
Hammers
Hand grenades
Hatchets
Hockey sticks
Hunting knives
Ice axe/Ice pick
Knives (any length)
Kubatons
Large heavy tools (such as wrenches pliers etc.)
Mace
Martial arts devices
Meat cleavers
Metal scissors with pointed tips
Numchucks
Pellet guns
Pen knives
Pepper spray
Pistols
Plastic explosives
Pool cues
Portable power drills
Portable power saws
Razor blades (not in a cartridge)
Religious knives
Replica weapons
Revolvers
Rifles
Road flares
SCUBA knives
Sabers
Screwdrivers
Shot guns
Ski poles
Spear guns
Starter pistols
Straight razors
Stun guns/shocking devices
Swords
Tear gas
Throwing stars
Toy transformer robots (this toy forms a toy gun)
Toy weapons
I cannot waitperegrina2000 said:Ok, I'll try to resist further comment, unless someone wants me to talk about the difference between the arbitrary and capricious standard and substantial evidence standard.
It is quite specific about walking/hiking poles not being allowed as hand baggage.See, for example, http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Foreigntravel/AirTravel/DG_176922 which specifically lists walking poles as a prohibited item in cabin baggage.
Nor do some security officers at various airports. :cry: Out of 10 flights (intercontinental and in Spain), on only 1 occasion did a security officer (in Spain) refuse to let us take the walking cane on board. Never had a problem with our umbrella (and a BIG one to that :!: )DanaRuns said:I'm not sure I appreciate the difference in danger between trekking poles and a walking cane (can be used to strike someone) or umbrella (has pointed end just like trekking poles and which poses a similar level of threat).
Hi, I have taken my packs as carry on luggage about 6 or 7 times from NZ to Europe and back with a range of airlines and never had a problem. The packs ranged from 30 to 36 ltrs and weighed just under 7 kg max. Usually I check the poles in as fragile luggage, but this time I am taking the Black Diamond Z Poles which are light and fold up small onto the plane in my pack. I have wrapped them up and labelled them, just in case they insist that I have to check them in after all.Hi
We are planning our Camino Frances walk for May 2013. We've been reading Cheri Powell's book (Seven tips ....) and she states that you have to check your backpacks on the airplane. Assuming that there is nothing in the backpack that cannot go on the plane as a carry-on including trekking poles, has anyone had trouble bringing the pack on the plane? We've never had trouble with smaller daypacks. Anyone have problems with a 40L or larger pack?
lessilb
Hi,
Has anyone used Vueling airline? I found a good price on a Santiago to Paris after my Camino (perfect day, perfect time) and I'm wondering if I should pay in advance for baggage hold. Their website says they are very strict with carry-on rules. I have an Osprey Kestrel 38L, it's packed full and weighs 15lbs. I will take some items out (jacket, ect) and put in my carry-on tote (purse), this will get the dimensions down so I can carry-on going to Europe and back.
Thanks for any help,
Angela
Hi
We are planning our Camino Frances walk for May 2013. We've been reading Cheri Powell's book (Seven tips ....) and she states that you have to check your backpacks on the airplane. Assuming that there is nothing in the backpack that cannot go on the plane as a carry-on including trekking poles, has anyone had trouble bringing the pack on the plane? We've never had trouble with smaller daypacks. Anyone have problems with a 40L or larger pack?
lessilb
If I leave my poles in at home, does anyone know where I can buy ones in Madrid when I arrive?
Thanks so much Laurie. So no one stopped you from bringing your poles onboard? I bought a pair of Black Diamond Z poles that fold up really small and fit in my bag, so hoping I don't get stopped with them.
I believe that your last sentence is a significant statement for sure!!!I have a Gregory 55L and have always carried it on. I simply put my pack cover on it and a strap to help hold it. It actually looks much like a medium/small duffle bag. The pack cover keeps it some secure should you run into someone who forces you to check. Never happened to me and can't understand why it would. It meets size requirments.
I carry my sticks in a tube inside my pack ready to be checked if needed...never happened yet.
That way I am only at risk of my sticks not showing up instead of my whole kit.
The same could be done with other items that can't be checked like the knife. You could check it and only be at risk of that item.
I don't want to risk my kit not making connections or not arriving at all.
I would also suggest that if your pack is too big for carry on...you probably have too much and could very well have a bigger problem when you start walking. 8)
Okay, This is what I shall be doing. Thank you!!!I have managed to take my pack as carry-on on the Europe-bound leg every trip so far: Osprey Kestrel 48, Kestrel 38, and Exos 46. I disassemble my Pacer Poles and wrap them, along with the knife and scissors, for checking. So far, no problems - flying variously British Air, Air France, and Lufthansa. I carry a small collapsible daypack from Sea-to-Summit (collapses to goose-egg size) on every trip, for grocery shopping etc etc while walking. This small pack is my "purse" when flying: holds the travel documents, water bottle, snacks, etc.
@camino-davidAnd contrary to what Dougfiz tells everyone, Ryanair does most definitely check the size of your carry on bag and strictly enforces the limits. In the departure lounge you HAVE to put your bag in the receptacle that Ryanair brings round while you are in the queue to board, and if it doesn't fit, then that's 60 euros, thank you very much. I have seen this in June at Santiago and in London last year.
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