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I wish I had them. Here are the photos of my bedbug friends who all made a meal out of me, albeit it was their last meal! I didn't personally harm them. I gave them to the hotell manager in the morning, very early in the morning. The hotel later refunded the money.Permithrin kills them!
Three questions about Permithrin: does it kill bedbugs on contact? How harmful to human on contact and what harmful effect does it cauase to human, if anyone knows. I've heard that the Permithrin is a very harmful chemical and had to be deluded in very weak form to be used. Where can you buy the spray in US?Permithrin kills them!
No, it doesn't kill them on contact, but can kill them with prolonged exposure. I spray my backpack, sleep sack and all stuff sacks in the theory that if I get some bedbug hitchhikers in my backpack that they will die from permethrin exposure before I return home.Three questions about Permithrin: does it kill bedbugs on contact?
Direct spraying on a bedbug won't kill it promptly? Where have you found this information? Or do you mean contact with a permethrin-treated item?No, it doesn't kill them on contact
I meant contact with a permethrin treated item. One certainly shouldn't be spraying permethrin in albergues!Direct spraying on a bedbug won't kill it promptly? Where have you found this information? Or do you mean contact with a permethrin-treated item?
Three questions about Permithrin: does it kill bedbugs on contact? How harmful to human on contact and what harmful effect does it cauase to human, if anyone knows. I've heard that the Permithrin is a very harmful chemical and had to be deluded in very weak form to be used. Where can you buy the spray in US?
I agree. I am just trying to get the facts about the product clear.I meant contact with a permethrin treated item. One certainly shouldn't be spraying permethrin in albergues!
I most always agree with you and I do agree with your general message, but I am going to quibble a bit with the words.It does not kill on contact.
There is little or no demonstrated evidence that permethrin will keep bedbugs away or prevent one from being bitten.Permethrin will not keep bedbugs away or prevent you from being bitten.
I agree. I am just trying to get the facts about the product clear.
I most always agree with you and I do agree with your general message, but I am going to quibble a bit with the words.Maybe it is semantic, but maybe I'm not aware of the facts, and I would like to know ...
Permethrin is an insecticide, is it not? That means it kills insects. Maybe it takes a few minutes, but I would guess that the insect would be pretty much immobilized very soon after being doused with the product. That's what I would mean by "on contact." I agree that contact with a cloth that was treated and then dried, would be much less effective, to the point of not being effective at all.
There is little or no demonstrated evidence that permethrin will keep bedbugs away or prevent one from being bitten.
I would explain it this way:I don't know if that helps clarify things at all.
I think this is a sound analysis. Permethrin treated packs will kill any hitchhikers along the way, and treatment of a sleeping bag or liner will ensure there is some protection for you and more importantly for the places you are staying.So it sounds like the main benefit of permethrin-treated gear and clothes is that they may interfere with transportation of the bugs to the next stopping place. I would think that DEET on the skin would be more preventive of bites, but I don't know. I don't like coating myself with it before bed. An absence of occurance doesn't prove anything, but I would like to know if anyone here has used either of these two methods and been bitten anyway.
Thanks, Lydia Le. We'll all be carrying bean leaves now!There is hope in the not far future ...
ps the video in @alhartman's post shows that the begbugs are still pretty active after 10 minutes, but obviously affected around 15 minutes. That would certainly appear to give them enough time for a last supper, but certainly not proof of the much repeated assertion that they will do so.
Would be interesting to see similar videos showing what kind of resistance lavender oil or silk provides since those seem to be quite popular "myths" on the Camino. Have looked for studies but not found anything except ads for the various essential oils.
I don't have anything but difficulty generating any insights into the mental processes of some of my fellow humans. I wouldn't pretend to think I would have any more success with other species!If you were about to expire, would you be looking for a meal?
It got lost in the translation: they mean the Hüttenschlafsäcke which are made of cotton or of silk and don't have a metal zip. Their use has always been obligatory in all the Alpine huts managed by the German Alpine Club.I am not quite sure how safe microwaving a sleeping bag is? In most sleeping bags, the metalwork of the zip would make a good inductor and the induced current would at best cause a heating effect and at worst sparking and fire.
I wonder with Alpine huts whether the installation of efficient heating has actually caused the problem. Previously in the winter months the extremely low temperatures would have killed off any infestations.On a more serious note, one concern that they have about the use of chemicals is apparently the fear that widespread use will lead to an increase of the resistance to insecticides.
I find it remarkable that bed bugs are appearing only now on the scene in Alpine huts and that the majority of the huts have been spared so far. The DAV makes a massive effort to keep their huts free of bed bugs and to educate the users of their huts about bed bugs and preventive measures.
Well, one article says that bed bugs freeze to death only after a longer stay at temperatures below 18 ºC and therefore turned out to be more robust than their hostsI wonder with Alpine huts whether the installation of efficient heating has actually caused the problem. Previously in the winter months the extremely low temperatures would have killed off any infestations.
You never heard of the "Last Supper"? Or the special meals requested by inmates on their way to execution?
Would be interesting to see similar videos showing what kind of resistance lavender oil or silk provides since those seem to be quite popular "myths" on the Camino. Have looked for studies but not found anything except ads for the various essential oils.
To ensure that you do not contaminate your home I think you either need to put your bags in a chest freezer for a number of days to kill them off or use a Permethrin spray inside your bags and reseal them and leave for the best part of a week. Just leaving them in the sun is just making them ravenous!I am home after my walk and I have not taken my stuff out of black bags for days. My first night in Santiago I woke up to bed bugs in my bed in a nice hotel. After searching the very clean room and mattress I found them in large numbers in the very clean looking box spring in a tiny opening only showing 2-3 back marks around the entrance. I had treated my shoes, backpack and luggage with permethrin and used silk liner before the walk. Still got some really ugly red around the bites on my feet, hands and stomach. The worst part was seeing the critters under my body and when I pressed on them all the blood they released. Even though I was so careful washing everything I owned on that trip that same day I found them and checked my backpack and luggage, now I am paranoid thinking the bugs are in my stuff so the bags sit on my porch.
How long do you leave them in the black bags in the sun?
Not true. Heat is the best way to kill bed bugs. So if the day is hot enough to get the temperature inside the bag up to 118F/48C for 90 minutes you can effectively kill bed bugs and eggs.Just leaving them in the sun is just making them ravenous!
There are numerous threads on killing bedbugs but I think the above are the only two practical considerations.
To ensure that you do not contaminate your home I think you either need to put your bags in a chest freezer for a number of days to kill them off or use a Permethrin spray inside your bags and reseal them and leave for the best part of a week. Just leaving them in the sun is just making them ravenous!
There are numerous threads on killing bedbugs but I think the above are the only two practical considerations.
I carry a large dry back (actually a "pack liner") specifically for that purpose and I do put my backpack in it when I arrive at the albergue. But I try to do it without drawing attention. The whole issue of bedbugs is sensitive - ranging from deniers, to alarmists and the insectophobes - and I prefer not to get in a discussion at that point. On the unpopulated routes I sometimes don't bother, but I've tried to make my routine as simple as possible.I hear recommendations to put your backpack in a plastic compactor/trash bag and seal it up at night in the albergue. You know, I have never actually seen a single example of anyone doing this with their backpack in the albergues.
It would be easier if they did, but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case. They like to hide in backpacks or retreat to crevices in the walls, cupboards, etc., during the daylight when there are no CO2-producing sleeping bodies around. Most albergues have plastic covered mattresses now.Do most bedbugs hang out on the mattress?
When i walked last spring El Serbal la luna Albergue in Pieros required everyone to put their backpacks in black trash bags before checking in.I hear recommendations to put your backpack in a plastic compactor/trash bag and seal it up at night in the albergue. You know, I have never actually seen a single example of anyone doing this with their backpack in the albergues.
Some kit is seriously damaged by the heat however, especially some of the modern ultralight stuff. Things like wool socks might not like it much either. There is no way I would put my dyneema backpack into a tumble dryer but many packs have plastic components or use fabrics that could be seriously damaged.if you get bed bugs in your gear while traveling, put it ALL (pack, sleeping bag, clothes, bags, etc) in a laundromat dryer at the highest heat setting for at least 30 minutes. this will cook them, guaranteed. high temp setting never hurt any of my gear. PS treat your stuff with permethrin before you leave.
Nope. All the gear survived just fine. I’m still using all the heat-treated gear a year later (pack, sleeping bag, clothing). And the bedbugs were roasted.Some kit is seriously damaged by the heat however, especially some of the modern ultralight stuff. Things like wool socks might not like it much either. There is no way I would put my dyneema backpack into a tumble dryer but many packs have plastic components or use fabrics that could be seriously damaged.
Permethrin is OK on most fabrics.
That's good. However the fact remains that some fabrics and materials really are damaged by heat so it's worth checking things over before subjecting them to hot tumble drying. And some tumble dryers run much hotter than others.Nope. All the gear survived just fine. I’m still using all the heat-treated gear a year later (pack, sleeping bag, clothing). And the bedbugs were roasted.
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