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Nothing wrong about how you feel even if you were the cause of a "problem". I can also be a very loud snorer but sometimes when I warned people they have said I was completely silent. I couldn't know if that was true or they were so tired after tough walking dayLast night I was awoken by a woman not once but twice because I apparently was snoring. I must admit that I do not like people in my personal space without my permission but especially when I am sleeping. I would never even think about going up and touching another person while sleeping. At least show some respect. If you can't sleep for the snoring BUY earplugs. I do. And I have been woken up by a guy while wearing earplugs because he snored that laud, but I would never consider going over and push him while he slept. Maybe it's just me but it is quite unpleasant to be woken up by a stranger touching you. I almost wet myself as you do not expect someone to touch you in the middle of the night. Sorry had to air my thoughts. Do you think it is okay?
I think that if you are fine with that you should tell those sleeping around you "hey, if I start snoring, just give me a little nudge to roll over".For my part, if I'm snoring all it takes is a small nudge & I roll over and stop. I'm fine with that,
The thing is, that it's very difficult for someone who snores to not do it. I'm sure that the OP isn't happy about snoring, but it is what it is. I also think that it's difficult for someone to say with certainty that they do not snore.This sounds really selfish to me. So you are entitled to your sleep, but the other people in the room not? You are actually the problem, so if I were you, I would be a bit more humble about it. I do not snore, but if I did, I would thank people for pushing me. We all need our sleep. I am going on my first camino in a week, and if I do something that annoys people, I hope they tell me right away so I can change it. You should start being part of the solution, not only the problem.
Well, snoring isn't intentional behavior. Apart from letting fellow pilgrims know about it and sincere apology next day there's not much I/you/he/she can do about it. I mentioned other ways in my previous post. But getting physically into my personal space (if I don't allow it previously) just isn't the way to solve anything. It would just steer up more embarrassment and/or anger.This sounds really selfish to me. So you are entitled to your sleep, but the other people in the room not? You are actually the problem, so if I were you, I would be a bit more humble about it. I do not snore, but if I did, I would thank people for pushing me. We all need our sleep. I am going on my first camino in a week, and if I do something that annoys people, I hope they tell me right away so I can change it. You should start being part of the solution, not only the problem.
I told people on each side of my bed that they have my permission to poke me with my walking poles
It's actually not common. Boots are normally not in the dormitory. People don't belch and fart willy nilly and if I thought someone was, I would say something.If I was not expecting that, I would not go in the first place
Please leave your mattress on the bunk where it is meant to be. This is also rude.
When you're asleep you have to wake up first to turn on the side
People who snore should try to sleep on their side, that solves it in most cases.
Audible farting and belching and doing that horrible throat clearing and spitting in the bathroom is not excusable.
Yes we are in communal space does not mean we have to behave like animals in a barnyard.
People who snore should try to sleep on their side, that solves it in most cases.
I don't always snore, but occasionally I do. According to my SnoreLab app, I not infrequently hit 'epic' proportions; this can occur whether I'm sleeping on my back, side, front, and probably if I'm upside down too. I do not have sleep apnea. I'm so concerned about my snoring - and embarrassed - that I've all but given up any hope I have of ever doing an hospitalera stint on the Camino. However, as @MichaelC said above, I'd rather have a stranger nudge me than be that woman that everyone in the albergue is talking about next morning.
People who snore should try to sleep on their side, that solves it in most cases.
I don't always snore, but occasionally I do. According to my SnoreLab app, I not infrequently hit 'epic' proportions; this can occur whether I'm sleeping on my back, side, front, and probably if I'm upside down too. I do not have sleep apnea. I'm so concerned about my snoring - and embarrassed - that I've all but given up any hope I have of ever doing an hospitalera stint on the Camino. However, as @MichaelC said above, I'd rather have a stranger nudge me than be that woman that everyone in the albergue is talking about next morning.
"Oh, Honey! Women Don't Snore! We Purr!"
SnoreLab app ? Really ?
Hope there's a league table..
This sounds really selfish to me. So you are entitled to your sleep, but the other people in the room not? You are actually the problem, so if I were you, I would be a bit more humble about it. I do not snore, but if I did, I would thank people for pushing me. We all need our sleep. I am going on my first camino in a week, and if I do something that annoys people, I hope they tell me right away so I can change it. You should start being part of the solution, not only the problem.
In an Albergue you are sharing space with lots of people. When you are assigned (or choose) a bunk, that is YOUR space. You should feel safe and secure in that space that no one will touch you or mess with your stuff when you are sleeping. If you fart, snore, talk, cry in your sleep it's nobody's business. They can open a window and put on earplugs and a sleep mask. I usually use my earplugs then pull my buff up over my eyes and ears. Works like a charm, even against those early morning forehead lamps that pierce into your very soul. ugh.
I camped all my childhood. The countryside here is the noisiest place ever. Always baffled me why people thought cockerels crowed at sunrise. No! They make that noise 24/7! And sheep. Never ever do they shut up. Crows and rooks, don't even get me started. If you don't want corvids, what about a noisy bird scaring machine? Seagulls, tractors, balers, pumps, milking machines. Trail bikes, vintage aircraft. Firing ranges, motorways. I worked in Scotland a couple of years ago, and we were plagued by the helicopters off the North Sea rigs. Go back to town for some shut-eye.After reading through this thread, it reinforces why my 2.8 pounds of sleeping gear includes my tent!
I camped all my childhood. The countryside here is the noisiest place ever. Always baffled me why people thought cockerels crowed at sunrise. No! They make that noise 24/7! And sheep. Never ever do they shut up. Crows and rooks, don't even get me started. If you don't want corvids, what about a noisy bird scaring machine? Seagulls, tractors, balers, pumps, milking machines. Trail bikes, vintage aircraft. Firing ranges, motorways. I worked in Scotland a couple of years ago, and we were plagued by the helicopters off the North Sea rigs. Go back to town for some shut-eye.
Last night I was awoken by a woman not once but twice because I apparently was snoring. I must admit that I do not like people in my personal space without my permission but especially when I am sleeping. I would never even think about going up and touching another person while sleeping. At least show some respect. If you can't sleep for the snoring BUY earplugs. I do. And I have been woken up by a guy while wearing earplugs because he snored that laud, but I would never consider going over and push him while he slept. Maybe it's just me but it is quite unpleasant to be woken up by a stranger touching you. I almost wet myself as you do not expect someone to touch you in the middle of the night. Sorry had to air my thoughts. Do you think it is okay?
They wouldn't make much noise eitherI've purposely left out snakes, Funnel web spiders and crocodiles , these will only kill you rather than disturb your sleep .
Ha , if you think the sounds of sheep and roosters are annoying spend some time in the Australian bush .
Galahs and Cockatoos , apart from bursting an ear drum or two they will cheerfully bite your fingers off if you fall for their ' I'm so cute , ruffle my feathers ' trick .
Possums , these have evolved, and now as well as P!$$!ng all over your tent and other gear are able to open any pack using their specially developed YKK zipper claw . This also doubles as a handy rapier for disemboweling unwary bushwalkers relieving themselves in the dark .
Wombats , grumpy smelly and with no manners whatsoever , they will bulldoze through the sides of your tent crapping all the way just to show you you are not welcome .
Koalas , these devious creatures have developed many ' attack ' modes , wee , poo and grunting are just the tip of this ' unbearable ' creature's efforts . The worst is the cry of their young , this unnerving call is exactly like that of a human baby , forget snoring , just try to sleep with the thought of a baby abandoned in the bush crying for its mother , and in pain ! go on then .
Goannas , adept at finding the smallest gap at the end of a zipper , nose in , then all hell breaks loose as it hisses and claws its way into your sleeping bag looking for prey !
The worst by far though , that bloody Owl thing ! at least that's what we call it . The ' Screaming Woman or Strangled Woman Owl ' , it sounds just like what you would expect . Alone at the farm one night , armed with a spotlight and the shotgun I went in search of the ' Lowlife animal ' who would dare do this to a fellow human being on my patch of the earth . Imagine my embarrassment on being told the ' Rapist ' I had been chasing was in fact a Female flying feathered thing calling for a mate .
I've purposely left out snakes, Funnel web spiders and crocodiles , these will only kill you rather than disturb your sleep .
This sounds really selfish to me. So you are entitled to your sleep, but the other people in the room not? You are actually the problem, so if I were you, I would be a bit more humble about it. I do not snore, but if I did, I would thank people for pushing me. We all need our sleep. I am going on my first camino in a week, and if I do something that annoys people, I hope they tell me right away so I can change it. You should start being part of the solution, not only the problem.
Ha , if you think the sounds of sheep and roosters are annoying spend some time in the Australian bush .
Galahs and Cockatoos , apart from bursting an ear drum or two they will cheerfully bite your fingers off if you fall for their ' I'm so cute , ruffle my feathers ' trick .
Don't think that staying in a private room will protect you from a sometimes-epic-snorer in an adjacent room. I know of what I speak.Somewhere around 50% of the population snores.......
For various reasons mentioned above I've decided to stay in private rooms. I've done the communal living thing ........
I just can not believe how this thread is evolving! It started with a snoring man complaining about being waked twice in the night. Now it seems I am to blame with my request to be humble about ones problems. I don't know, but if narsissistic men rule the camino, "I snore loudly, and if you don't like it, go somewhere else, cause I am here, and if you don't sleep, sorry for you, because I did, and that is what matters" And everyone cheering: "she had no right" " I would have hit her" blabla.., My bag is packed, but now my feelings says NO, anyone have a suggestion to go elsewhere?
Don't try this in the " alberque "As an aside , if you do find that you have a legitimate need to wake someone in the middle of the night there is a tried and proven way to do so without frightening the soul out of them .
It is mentioned in the novel '' All Quiet On The Western Front '' by Erich Maria Remarque and was used to waken soldiers for watch without startling them. Simply brush the back of the neck gently , for some reason this is not seen as a threat by the subconscious . Mind you it could be misconstrued as an invitation to something else other than waking
Viking , the woman who poked at you is probably the same sort of person that will sit behind you in traffic honking and shaking her / his fist ; intolerant and in haste .
Thanks, it wasn't meant as whining at least.The OP wasn't whining, he was snoring.
Sorry you had to experience that. Yes I must admit especially when you are sleeping you don't know how you will react.I know exactly how it feels, it happened to me last september too, this psycopath faced tosser kept touching me to wake me up, I was in a situation where I could have easly punched his face, but instead I got up and left the building. Next time I am not sure I might react just like that, when you wake up and find a stranger's face on top of you, any reaction is unpredictable.
I agree with the different backgrounds and no I definitely don't want to be "that person" I am not. I know for a fact.We all come from such different backgrounds & cultures that it's hard to generalize, or know what is & isn't appropriate. For my part, if I'm snoring all it takes is a small nudge & I roll over and stop. I'm fine with that, and I'd much rather have a stranger nudge me (or whack me with a pillow, whatever it takes) than be that guy that everyone in the albergue is talking about the next morning.
It's hard to judge others' personal space. I tend to be more conservative when I'm in new areas, and I can see how it would shock someone if their space was violated like this. However, I'm not sure the other person's behavior was 'extremely selfish.' I've done my fair share of communal living, and out here this would be perfectly normal.
After reading through this thread, it reinforces why my 2.8 pounds of sleeping gear includes my tent!
No one says anything to that but is annoyed by it but when someone snores.... The one thing you actually can't help. Apparently it's a different matter completely.
And was someone complaining about being woken by a gentle touch on the shoulder??
Last night I was awoken by a woman not once but twice because I apparently was snoring.
Simply brush the back of the neck gently
Last night I was awoken by a woman not once but twice because I apparently was snoring. I must admit that I do not like people in my personal space without my permission but especially when I am sleeping. I would never even think about going up and touching another person while sleeping. At least show some respect. If you can't sleep for the snoring BUY earplugs. I do. And I have been woken up by a guy while wearing earplugs because he snored that laud, but I would never consider going over and push him while he slept. Maybe it's just me but it is quite unpleasant to be woken up by a stranger touching you. I almost wet myself as you do not expect someone to touch you in the middle of the night. Sorry had to air my thoughts. Do you think it is okay?
Viking , the woman who poked at you is probably the same sort of person that will sit behind you in traffic honking and shaking her / his fist ; intolerant and in haste .
@StepheninDC try not to rule out options before starting walking as the forum can concentrate posts about negative experiences if that is what the subject of the thread is. I wouldn't have missed staying in albergues, I certainly found my usual need for privacy challenged at the start, but then walking the Camino is challenging - that is what it is meant to do. Also if the need for privacy becomes more urgent you can always opt for a pensiones or hotel for a night or two but please don't miss out on those wonderful moments of shared meals and getting to know folks from all over the world. That lack of privacy also fosters a lasting friendship in some cases - rough with the smooth and all that.
'Recordings' is the same word as 'memories' / 'souvenirs' in Spanish, so I got some mileage out of asking people if they would like to hear my 'recuerdo' of the Camino.
Oh, dear, this thread is starting to make me think I should pay for private rooms now rather share in an albergue.If I go to sleep first, I can usually sleep through anything. But I have a terrible time getting to sleep if others are snoring around me when I go to bed. And I'm a world-class grouch in the morning if I don't get enough sleep, just ask my wife. Time to head to a hotel booking website and plan to ante up more money for private accommodations.
This is what custard pies are for! if a stranger woke me up by touching me they would be very lucky to get just a custard pie in the face.
Refugios are exactly what they are - people who cannot cope with that need to go private.
p.s. custard pies are very light so won't add much weight to a backpack.
Awful -- in my experience though, the people who have complained loudest about snoring have tended to be champion snorers themselves !!
The far more sensible response to snoring is to just roll over and go back to sleep ...
Please don't rob yourself of the experience of meeting great people and a laugh over communal dinners. Just buy earplugs. I definitely didn't want people to go other places. My sole purpose was to get people to bring earplugs so it's easier not to be disturbed by all kinds of noises when 20 people sleep in the same room and to respect peoples privacy. There is so little on it on the camino so the sole privacy you have is your bed for the night. The rest you can survive and is part of the experience. I wish you a buon camino.
That's why I don't bother with earplugs at all. Instead I use earbuds and listen to podcasts that I've downloaded to my phone. Having something to listen to works better for me than trying to not listen to something.Thank you, I do have earplugs already in my backpack, ready to go, courtesy of my wife.I've found, though, that earplugs only reduce ambient noise, they don't eliminate it. In my experience, they don't reduce noise enough to allow me to sleep, but we shall see. You might say I'll just "play it by ear," but I guess that's a bad pun.
Please let me know how many I should pack, and I will add one for me (I LOVE custard pies!)This is what custard pies are for! if a stranger woke me up by touching me they would be very lucky to get just a custard pie in the face.
Refugios are exactly what they are - people who cannot cope with that need to go private.
p.s. custard pies are very light so won't add much weight to a backpack.
Ha , if you think the sounds of sheep and roosters are annoying spend some time in the Australian bush .
Galahs and Cockatoos .....
I've purposely left out snakes, Funnel web spiders and crocodiles , these will only kill you rather than disturb your sleep .
That is VERY creepy...As an aside , if you do find that you have a legitimate need to wake someone in the middle of the night there is a tried and proven way to do so without frightening the soul out of them .
It is mentioned in the novel '' All Quiet On The Western Front '' by Erich Maria Remarque and was used to waken soldiers for watch without startling them. Simply brush the back of the neck gently , for some reason this is not seen as a threat by the subconscious . Mind you it could be misconstrued as an invitation to something else other than waking
Thank you, I do have earplugs already in my backpack, ready to go, courtesy of my wife.I've found, though, that earplugs only reduce ambient noise, they don't eliminate it. In my experience, they don't reduce noise enough to allow me to sleep, but we shall see. You might say I'll just "play it by ear," but I guess that's a bad pun.
Please let me know how many I should pack, and I will add one for me (I LOVE custard pies!)
Like you, I need to fall asleep before the snoring starts & I'm OK
If not? I'm chopped meat.
And besides the snoring I'm 6'2. Those little twin beds don't fit me so well.
What I plan on doing is taking a list of the best Albergues and try and stay in hotels & pensions near to them. Try to stay close to the action so to speak.
If I find myself in an Albergue I will take a Xanax.
The ambien knocks me out too much
.... my best response to your response ... if I thought I could carry tent I would
.... my best response to your response ... if I thought I could carry tent I would
Please don't rob yourself of the experience of meeting great people and a laugh over communal dinners.
As an aside , if you do find that you have a legitimate need to wake someone in the middle of the night there is a tried and proven way to do so without frightening the soul out of them .
It is mentioned in the novel '' All Quiet On The Western Front '' by Erich Maria Remarque and was used to waken soldiers for watch without startling them. Simply brush the back of the neck gently , for some reason this is not seen as a threat by the subconscious . Mind you it could be misconstrued as an invitation to something else other than waking
DON'T*TOUCH*MY*FEET. Ever.I was taught to tap the bottom of someone's feet if you had to wake them without startling them.
I'm a heavy sleeper. You can nudge me, shove me, steal my pillow and whack me with it, kick me ... I'll probably just grumble, take my pillow back if you have it, roll over, and go back to sleep.
But gently brush my neck??? I live in the tropics, and occasionally very large creepy things get in the house. If something brushes my neck while I sleep I will scream loud enough to wake the dead while simultaneously jumping five feet in the air and throwing all my covers on the ground.
I speak from experience.
Last night I was awoken by a woman not once but twice because I apparently was snoring. I must admit that I do not like people in my personal space without my permission
When I walked the Frances a couple of years back, most dorms featured at least one snorer. I don't mind too much. I wore earplugs and anyway my man is a snorer so I'm used to it.
Then I had an awful, awful night at Tosantos. Beautiful place, lovely evening. But my mat was on the floor about three inches from the mat of the loudest scorer ever. I got no sleep at all. I did prod her after about four hours of non stop noise. I was somewhat desperate to just sleep! She didn't even wake up for a moment. The whole room was grumbling.
And in the morning I had bites on my arms. Urgh. I left the place in tears. I pretty much ran away and it too a very kind encounter with German pilgrim Peter to get me back into some state of sanity.
I do think if you know you are a truly epic snorer you need to take responsibility for it. If you want private space, book a room.
After this, I booked myself a private room for several nights. Just taking responsibility for my own need to sleep.
Whoa that's the coolest thing ever. I feel like writing a slushy novel about that right now. I'll call it Stick With Me.In a previous generation the boys would carve a personalized 'love stick,' and give a copy to the girl they were pursuing. To quietly wake her up at night they would slide their stick through the thatch walls of the hale and tangle it in the girl's hair. She would feel the carvings on the stick, and know which boy was waiting for her outside.
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