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- Camino Frances: September 24 - October 31 (2015)
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I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
HA!! The line in bold is one I really relate to. It's been an ongoing joke in the family thatWThe passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos.......The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage....... The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
My friend, I think they are both equally important for different reasons. I remember walking with someone on my first Camino who was pontificating about how meaningless a Compostela is and that people who value it are all walking for the wrong reasons. Within seconds I sped up a little and I thankfully never saw him again. Now when I look at my 4 Compostelas, I realize they remind me of the physical and mental battles I fought and experienced with my internal pain my mind and body did to me and the external pain of the steep hills, rough roads,heat, rain, snow, cold and winds I felt and fought all through Spain, France and Portugal. The Compostela reminds me of the peace and quiet joy I felt when I realized I was much more than I ever thought I was and could accomplish much more than I ever imagined.With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
Exactly my thoughtsTo me, they're just pieces of paper. What I treasure most is intangible, and I get reminders of it all the time.
Got 2 of each and greatly prefer the passports. It’s the journey rather than the destination.With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
.....I've not yet 'walked the walk' ...begin 03/09/18...however, like most of life, I feel it's the journey that matters (counts)....so it would be the passport for me.......!!!With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
No matter were we trek, each step we take is as unto the Lord.And thus the difference between a pilgrim and a hiker. The Compostela is a sign of a spiritual journey; the credential is a sign of a temporal one. Depending on one's spiritual beliefs, one will be more important than the other in that person's heart, whether it's displayed in a frame on a wall or not. This is not to denigrate the intentions of anyone who completes the Camino and receives that last stamp -- that is an accomplishment anyone can be proud of, no matter what their purpose for undertaking this journey.
And thus the difference between a pilgrim and a hiker. The Compostela is a sign of a spiritual journey; the credential is a sign of a temporal one. Depending on one's spiritual beliefs, one will be more important than the other in that person's heart, whether it's displayed in a frame on a wall or not. This is not to denigrate the intentions of anyone who completes the Camino and receives that last stamp -- that is an accomplishment anyone can be proud of, no matter what their purpose for undertaking this journey.
Mine was a spiritual Camino, coming on the heels of my father's death. I do not equate the Compostela or the credential as belonging to either the spiritual or temporal realm. My credential is alive with memories of a deeply spiritual journey. That's what makes it spiritual for me.And thus the difference between a pilgrim and a hiker. The Compostela is a sign of a spiritual journey; the credential is a sign of a temporal one. Depending on one's spiritual beliefs, one will be more important than the other in that person's heart, whether it's displayed in a frame on a wall or not. This is not to denigrate the intentions of anyone who completes the Camino and receives that last stamp -- that is an accomplishment anyone can be proud of, no matter what their purpose for undertaking this journey.
When I used the words "pilgrim" and "hiker" I was merely assigning titles to two broad groups -- those who walk for religious or spiritual reasons and those that don't. The Compostela is, as stated on the website of the Pilgrim's Office (https://oficinadelperegrino.com/en/pilgrimage/the-compostela/), a certificate available for those who "Make the pilgrimage for religious or spiritual reasons, or at least an attitude of search". I can certainly see why someone who is not walking for those reasons would not value the Compostela in the same way a person who is walking for those purposes. That is why the Certificate of Distance is available as an alternative to (or a supplement to) the Compostela.Hmmm. I am definitely not a hiker, but the Compostela is a certificate that is between the officials of the Catholic church and the recipient, whereas the spiritual is between the walker and his/her God.
I recall time I spent tutoring a nun who was from the same order in which my great-great aunt had been a Mother Superior. The nun I was tutoring wished to perfect her English for clinical use in her nursing work. We went to a gallery showing of art from the Vatican and I asked her whether she thought her God was more concerned about our belief in him or in our kindness and goodness to others. Sister Lim’s response was that he was not an insecure entity in need of our faith, but that faith was for our own benefit, and useless if we behaved in uncharitable ways.
When I walk locally I do it to care for my health and to care for someone very dependent on me who does best in a side-by-side conversation had in gentle motion. When I go out on Camino, I go with an eye and heart interested in the land, culture, language shifts, history (terrible and beautiful) of this unique road that joins me to the searchers of 2500 years. It’s not a hike. But I found my Compostela left me cold in the same way that other official documents of my accomplishments have done.
That is perhaps a personal quirk of mine, but it does not mean I was in it merely for the exercise or the scenery as “hiker” seems to suggest here.
I do understand that my friend’s Compostela is very special to him even though he is a Mennonite and finds great faults with the Catholic church. I am not a believer, but the Catholic church is my family’s heritage, and I value it for many reasons even though I can also criticize... but I do not need the verification from our church. I know what I have done, and do not require that reminder. It seems however that the passport drips endless reminders into my head each time I unfold it.
I don't value either. I just remember I enjoyed the challenge and the people and it has increased my mindfulness.
For me, this is true as well....Both my Compostela's remind me that I walked my two Caminos with significant medical and health challenges and also they remind me of two significant birthdays. My passports are absolutely so special in so many ways.....they remind me of all the places where I stopped, the people I met at various times, the Albergues where I spent many a happy night, (sometimes though, not so happy, especially when pain overtook my sleep) and, of course, the cafes where I stopped and enjoyed the company of others who were travelling with the same goals and in the same direction as myself....ie. my Camino Family.....absolutely priceless SusanaweeI treasure both of them. The Compostela reminds me, that I did this walk for a reason other than just to do a hike. The passport recalls memorable moments and places along the way.
With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
Hi I don't put the passport or compostela on the wall or do I put marathon medals or diplomas only wallpaper I did these things for me alone if people want to see these items I will show them i dont need to brag of how fit or clever I am they was done for me not anybody elseWith all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
Well said agree 100%My passports for sure. It is the one true record of the effort, distance, sacrifice and joy I committed to my Camino. I'm not even sure where my two compostelas are or when I finish the norte this fall if I'm going to stand in line for another one. I really doubt it. The first one was good however after the standing in line for the second I wondered why I spent all that time for something that attests to nothing more than the last 100km of my effort, but that's just me. I do recongnize and respect that for others it is very meaningful. My passports are readily at hand and trigger great memories of the good times and hard times.
With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
You probably already know this but FWIW you can dedicate your compestella to someone else. This might add an additional significance for your family and make the wait even more worthwhile!With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
I'm with you brother, Take me while I'm walking Lord!HA!! The line in bold is one I really relate to. It's been an ongoing joke in the family that
A. The only thing my grands will be inheriting from me if I work it right, will be a collection of Compostellas and Pilgrim Passports!! Hence all my planning and trolling of the internet right now, as I'm planning and have already booked passage for my sixth Camino. I have five sets and only require one more for the youngest grandson, Jonathan.
B. you can't put me in a home someday...if you can't find me!! We've always had our dark humor. but having actually had to do that heartbreaking task, I'm all the more determined not to end up there! So onward to the next long walk...double time!!! Ultreia Pilgrims!!
With all the talk about the long lines at the Pilgrim’s Office, I’ve been thinking about which document carries more meaning for me, my Compostela or my passport. The passport is a tactile reminder of the journey. I like to take it out once in awhile and look at all the selos. I had thought I would frame the passport, but I decided not to so that I could hold it and show others. The Compostela signifies completion of the pilgrimage. My Compostela is framed and hangs in our living room. If you told me I could only keep one, I’d choose my passport. I’m even wondering whether I will get a Compostela when I walk next year. The one reason I may still do so is that it is something that may mean more to my children and grandchildren.
I’m curious what others think about the emotional significance of these two documents. If you had to choose one to keep, which would it be?
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