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Thank goodness for this one. The endless GO...DON'T GO discussions were fine the first time, or second or evn the third...but by now we've all heard all the arguments about each multiple times. so if you keep offering your advice, but no-one is listening, it doesn't help at all to say it more or louder, at every opportunity.Please do not offer opinions on whether someone should or should not walk the Camino.
it should be so ... but then, even recently, it is not so...Thank goodness for this one. The endless GO...DON'T GO discussions were fine the first time, or second or evn the third...but by now we've all heard all the arguments about each multiple times. so if you keep offering your advice, but no-one is listening, it doesn't help at all to say it more or louder, at every opportunity.
Subsequent tests of the group members showed that 8 people of the group of 17 from Madrid were infected. They spent the night in a private albergue in Arzúa. Then the Galician health authorities required them to sign a declaration which allowed them to leave Arzúa in private cars to spend their quarantine at home.I am curious as to wether there is any update on the Pilgrim who was walking with Covid? ie: How many others were infected?
Subsequent tests of the group members showed that 8 people of the group of 17 from Madrid were infected. They spent the night in a private albergue in Arzúa. Then the Galician health authorities required them to sign a declaration which allowed them to leave Arzúa in private cars to spend their quarantine at home.
The Arzúa town council published a communication on their FB page to point out that this outbreak in Arzúa had ceased to exist after the group had left. News media continued to erroneously list an outbreak consisting of 8 persons in Arzúa for many days to come, though, always referring to the Madrid peregrina and the Camino de Santiago.
I wonder how many people on the forum have direct knowledge of this C-19 virus, i.e. have been infected themselves, or have a family member who has been infected, have a colleague or friend who has been infected or perhaps is a medical person who has treated patients with Covid-19? I know two medics, not related or known to each other, who have been infected. A male 45 yrs old and female in mid 30s. Both are struggling for 10 - 12 weeks into their recovery. The man has had 2 additional hospital admissions since the first time. The lady continues to experience extreme fatigue and breathlessness. Both were fit, healthy and living full lives before infection. I am just providing this contribution for information purposes. Stay safe everyoneI think these rules have served us pretty well. So here we go with Round 8 as requested. I added one rule. Round 7 is now closed and can be found here. Buen camino, Laurie
PLEASE...Please stick with the forum rules against Politics...it is always a problem. Do not post links to other sites that offer criticism or opinion of any Country or national leader. The forum is not the place for political discussion or argument.
Please do not offer medical advice or pass on unsubstantiated rumors or unofficial sources.
Please do not offer opinions on whether someone should or should not walk the Camino.
It is okay to discuss what’s happening with you here. People are a bit scared and some here are alone. Maybe we can share and comfort one another.
Rudeness or attacks on others will simply be deleted without comment
Both are struggling for 10 - 12 weeks into their recovery.
I agree with the advice to re-read posts for clarity, with the audience in mind, but I think that the following is a good description of the typical audience for this thread...Before you hit "post" button, please kindly imagine you are trying to explain the issue to your 13 year old son/daughter (or grandson/daughter)
Isn't this the multi-purpose thread where there is a place for the Covid-19 nerds?
A reason I am in the audience...but rarely on stage.I agree with the advice to re-read posts for clarity, with the audience in mind, but I think that the following is a good description of the typical audience for this thread...
None that have been reported in the news or in any of the FB groups that I follow.there have been no further infections connected to this incident?
What does "fiduciary" quarantine mean?they would have had to join the fiduciary quarantine
What does "fiduciary" quarantine mean?
It's correct. It's over three days and corresponds to a bit more than 7,000 cases per day. You can watch a video clip where Spain's Fernando Simón (Spanish health authorities) explains that these figures have to be seen in context. He says that the situation is similar in countries that are comparable to Spain, for example France. The video clip is embedded in this El Mundo article for example; it's possible to switch on subtitles.Perhaps someone can confirm if this report is accurate? The numbers in Spain has risen hugely over the weekend? We've been watching the numbers in France, we're very rural here but the larger cities are seeing increases... but 23,500 over the weekend is a large increase?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-...us-cases-surge-by-23-572-over-weekend/1959031
It's correct. It's over three days and corresponds to a bit more than 7,000 cases per day. You can watch a video clip where Spain's Fernando Simón (Spanish health authorities) explains that these figures have to be seen in context. He says that the situation is similar in countries that are comparable to Spain, for example France. The video clip is embedded in this El Mundo article for example; it's possible to switch on subtitles.
The numbers in Spain has risen hugely over the weekend (...) 23,500 over the weekend is a large increase?
I can understand that. One thing is certain: those who claimed to be in possession of superior knowledge and told the world in March/April that the virus will just melt in the sun so to speak when the temperature rises during the summer months have been proven wrong. I worry - no, I wonder - about the development now that the summer is coming to a close and people will spend more time inside than outside.Covid Numbers in our area are very low but I am happier now the holiday season is waning... and we have less visitors.
Testing is important but not on its own. Testing is done so that infected people can be identified and then isolated so that they can't infect any more people. In the meantime, however, they have probably already infected their close contacts over the past couple of days.The more people you test overall, the better is your ability to assess and control the transmission situation in a given population.
I agree with what you say. However, here in Europe, testing numbers are now also used for the various travel warnings, and I must say that I find some of it pathetic. I won't name countries but in all likelihood they are not the ones that readers may suspect. They use some arbitrary limit - 40 new cases/100,000 heads or 50 new cases or active cases or whatever as basis for these travel warnings or official travel advice. There is no uniform policy, it's a giant patchwork ... and in some countries not only at national level but also at regional level.Testing
I just saw in today's news that there is a better word for it: "fragmented approach". ☺it's a giant patchwork
I must apologize having instinctively described the acronym PCR as if it were a classic nose-pharyngeal swab. They are two different things. PCR is the biochemical - molecular analysis of the biological substance taken with the swab.as accompanied to the local health and social center to carry out the PCR test. This test was then sent to the Lugo hospital to check if there was contagion, or not.
Yes, that is interesting.I am not going to expand the discussion with questions about covid 19, but the reflection I received from a friend is interesting
Whenever I see something like this article,even though it is about the 1918 flu, I realize how very little we know about this disease. So many variables, so many hypotheses. I have so much respect for the scientists and epidemiologists who are laboring to figure this out.
Why Did the 1918 Flu Kill So Many Otherwise Healthy Young Adults?
Uncovering a World War I veteran's story provided a genealogist and pharmacologist with some clueswww.smithsonianmag.com
Actually, this could very well be camino-related, if @casa susana 's posts are anything to go on. The locus is different, as are the actors. But the process and the '* them, I'll do what I want' attitude is in common. Unfortunately, this is a global phenomenon.but what they hadn’t factored into their model was the number of students who have tested positive and have totally ignored all the required steps of quarantine, gone to large parties, etc. Instead, they assumed that once diagnosed, the students would follow the rules. Silly them.
Right. We are only as strong as our weakest link.It may involve a minority of us, but it only takes one superspreader...
I am not sure what the lessons are here, but it does suggest that we cannot rely on voluntary compliance to stop the spread.
I now think that F. Simón compared Spain to France in the sense that there is a similar uptick in positive cases but not in absolute terms. In my modest opinion, all these figures are of limited value for comparisons, both between different countries and between now and in the spring but they are useful for monitoring current developments.When you look at the worst affected areas in France it is larger cities and busy tourist areas...
Yesterday I spent the evening with a family member who is determined to have his usual winter vacation in Mexico, in spite of the high case numbers there and the lack of widespread testing, so that real case numbers may be much higher. He is planning on staying for a month and a half this winter, rather than the month that he spent there last year. He tells me with glee how very cheap the flights are this year, and that he can expect much lower accommodation costs than in previous years, as there will not be as many people going. I listen to him in amazement and hope that he will change his mind.Today the computer scientists and others who developed the model explained the model’s flaw. They had accurately predicted the large numbers of students who would test positive, but what they hadn’t factored into their model was the number of students who have tested positive and have totally ignored all the required steps of quarantine, gone to large parties, etc. Instead, they assumed that once diagnosed, the students would follow the rules. Silly them.
I am not sure what the lessons are here, but it does suggest that we cannot rely on voluntary compliance to stop the spread.
Yes, this is very interesting and matches what we are seeing here in NZ. Overall deaths from influenza and other communicable diseases have reduced noticeably and sick leave has gone down.Yes, that is interesting.
I am certainly a lot more aware of what I touch when I am out and about and a lot more careful to avoid catching an infectious disease - although I am also aware that, at least to my current state of knowledge, my greatest risk is being inside, in small spaces, with lots of people who are talking, shouting or singing and who don't think that they are ill, and with little ventilation. I wonder to what extent I will continue to use hand gel in the distant or perhaps not so distant future.
And I have already made an appointment for my annual flu vaccination. Apparently, flu vaccine distribution will be staged this year where I live. First those in the usual risk categories (older, asthma, medical and care home staff etc) and later for others who want it. In the past, I've been a bit casual about this and needed several reminders from my GP or my employer before I had it done. Except when we walked a bit of the Camino Frances one October/November. Having read on the forum how other pilgrims were sneezing and coughing their way through albergue dormitories, I made sure that I had my flu vaccination two weeks before departure. Even when we knew that we were unlikely to stay in albergue dormitories anyway. ☺
Here in the US (and I imagine elsewhere) the flu season pretty much stopped when quarantine started.Yes, this is very interesting and matches what we are seeing here in NZ. Overall deaths from influenza and other communicable diseases have reduced noticeably and sick leave has gone down.
Highly infectious coronaviruses cannot really be stopped, unless on islands with strict controls upon entry.
But the efforts made in the Spring to keep the numbers of hospitalisations as low as possible did work to a degree.
What I personally make of the current numbers, very high numbers of positives but at the same time some relatively small numbers of serious cases and deaths as compared to the very large numbers of these in the Spring (although I do take note that the situation in Spain is a bit worse in this respect than elsewhere in Continental Europe), is that a) the virus has become widespread among the population, and b) most of the most susceptible to it have already been affected, and c) the population is moving towards gaining herd immunity.
Well this is totally not camino related. But it’s happening right here in my town and is extremely depressing. Scientists at my university developed a rapid saliva test. They developed a model, an app, a program to test everyone twice a week (no university access without a screen shot of a negative test), 20 tents on campus for testing 7 days a week. This is a big deal on a campus with 60,000 students. They thought they had thought of everything. The students came back, they started testing. But we have an unexpected big spike, and people are nervous.
Today the computer scientists and others who developed the model explained the model’s flaw. They had accurately predicted the large numbers of students who would test positive, but what they hadn’t factored into their model was the number of students who have tested positive and have totally ignored all the required steps of quarantine, gone to large parties, etc. Instead, they assumed that once diagnosed, the students would follow the rules. Silly them.
I am not sure what the lessons are here, but it does suggest that we cannot rely on voluntary compliance to stop the spread.
This simple answer speaks volumes...it's short, no frills, but to the point.We are only as strong as our weakest link.
I am not certain that I understand your concern. I have no doubt that these plexiglas or acrylic screens provide protection. Significant protection. There are many excellent Covid-19 studies done by engineer/technical people and by statisticians. These people are, obviously, neither virologists nor epidemiologists - and btw among the latter, many are not specialised in the area of this coronavirus and the Covid-19 disease. What is omitted in these studies and in these reports that worry us or make us question things is the importance of the viral load. How high is the amount of virus that makes someone actually ill or even just contagious without any symptoms of illness. Nobody knows the answer but presumably the lower the viral load received and inhaled the better.I was looking for information on the real usefulness of plexiglass screens or equivalent material that are used on desks to protect themselves and when the safety distance cannot be guaranteed and I came across a video that can be found at the link shown here http://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/face-shield-study.php
my first reaction was: but are they making fun of us?
I am not certain that I understand your concern. I have no doubt that these plexiglas or acrylic screens provide protection. Significant protection. There are many excellent Covid-19 studies done by engineer/technical people and by statisticians. These people are, obviously, neither virologists nor epidemiologists - and btw among the latter, many are not specialised in the area of this coronavirus and the Covid-19 disease.
What is omitted in these studies and in these reports that worry us or make us question things is the importance of the viral load. How high is the amount of virus that makes someone actually ill or even just contagious without any symptoms of illness. Nobody knows the answer but presumably the lower the viral load received and inhaled the better.
They claim that with the summer season (I am speaking in particular here in Europe) it has lost virulence and ability to infect but now it has grown again. In young people it seems to be very high
Nothing capricious about the virus. It does what a virus does - infects host bodies and replicates. The only thing that currently stops the virus is stopping the supply of host bodies.There is only to continue to live with this "capricious virus" that still keeps us in suspense
Who is claiming that the virus has lost its virulence? I haven't heard of a legitimate epidemiologist or viroligist who has said that.
said more directly.Nothing capricious about the virus. It does what a virus does - infects host bodies and replicates. The only thing that currently stops the virus is stopping the supply of host bodies.
According to the French Health Minister, France may reduce Covid19 quarantines from 14 days to 7, from advice given by the Science Council.
To applaud the news is the world of entrepreneurship ... I had no doubts!
Isn't there a difference between "the vaccine trial has failed" and "the vaccine trial has been put on temporary hold and this was done on a voluntary basis"?The Oxford vaccine trial has failed
A Recent case of a pilgrim in Baamonde on the Primitivo, with a fever, highlights the problems to be faced if a pilgrim develops symptoms, and is walking completely independently with no support.I think these rules have served us pretty well. So here we go with Round 8 as requested. I added one rule. Round 7 is now closed and can be found here. Buen camino, Laurie
PLEASE...Please stick with the forum rules against Politics...it is always a problem. Do not post links to other sites that offer criticism or opinion of any Country or national leader. The forum is not the place for political discussion or argument.
Please do not offer medical advice or pass on unsubstantiated rumors or unofficial sources.
Please do not offer opinions on whether someone should or should not walk the Camino.
It is okay to discuss what’s happening with you here. People are a bit scared and some here are alone. Maybe we can share and comfort one another.
Rudeness or attacks on others will simply be deleted without comment
Thank you for bringing this to the attention of forum members. In earlier messages, people implied that camino walkers will be taken care of in cases where they develop symptoms and may have caught Covid-19 and there was even a belief expressed that they will be housed in government sponsored hotels. Not a reflection of the reality, apparently.A Recent case of a pilgrim in Baamonde on the Primitivo, with a fever, highlights the problems to be faced if a pilgrim develops symptoms, and is walking completely independently with no support.
According to the article, it was a 19 year old Polish pilgrim.The case you mention is reported in El Progreso.
In earlier messages, people implied that camino walkers will be taken care of in cases where they develop symptoms and may have caught Covid-19 and there was even a belief expressed that they will be housed in government sponsored hotels. Not a reflection of the reality, apparently.
The health service and local councils only take responsibility for the transportation of people for a test who have some form of disability which means they are not independent. The European health card does not qualify a person from another European country to anything more than a Galician person under the Galician Health Service.to me it seems to be necessary to emphasize that a hospitalization (whether it is only a fiduciary quarantine) or not, is performed when there is positivity to covid -19. In the specific case, it is not yet clear whether the Polish woman has contracted covid -19.
And then there are different levels of severity of the infection .... mild symptoms / mild fever or serious breathing problems, cough / high fever. Depending on the severity of the subject's health situation, it will be seen whether the protocol provides for hospitalization and/or reception centers set up by the health authorities and/or affiliated hotels.
But here is one thing that is not clear when I read that the polish woman did not have the right to transport because she was not a dependent person ... what does it mean? Is there any reference to the health coverage recognized by the member states by the European community?
Without blaming it, I add that the same health workers who answer telephone calls are not always up to giving valid and clear information. In this specific case I would have put the polish pilgrim in contact with a nearest medical center to perform, to do as soon as possible, the serological test. And then PCR in the specialized center in the area.
But here is just my reflection because I am not aware of specific events. And now, not even the general emergency situation in that area of Spain.
On the other hand, I would see no justification for a patient positive to covid-19 (even with mild symptoms) to be left to fend for himself, in a tent in a green area of the albergues. It becomes a danger to others as well. No I really hope not. I would be embittered.
It would not be in line with "the unanimous agreement reached by the Spanish Minister of Health with the autonomous communities of Spain, to implement a series of restrictions affecting the entire national territory, including PCR tests and quarantine measures from to adopt".
And here I ask to @casasusana or other residents in Spain if this is true ..?
But at this point I am also very curious to know how other states (especially Europeans) behave when a foreigner (present in the territory of that state) shows symptoms of covid-19 contagion?
What is guaranteed to these foreigners?
Thanks for any replies.
Well, I obviously don't know specifics but non-residents cannot expect any other healthcare treatments and services than those that residents are entitled to in case of a health emergency. That is a basic principle of mutual healthcare provisions in the EU.But here is one thing that is not clear when I read that the polish woman did not have the right to transport because she was not a dependent person ... what does it mean?
All I can tell you is my knowledge of the Galician health service protocol, from a friend who is a doctor in an after hours health service. As explained to me, a suspected case of Covid is only transported to hospital if seriously ill (not just a fever, as was the case in Baamonde). Otherwise, as I previously stated, one rings 061 and they make an appointment for your test - that is all. No transportation is provided, for Galician citizens, or other EU citizens. Pilgrims need to be aware of this when they undertake a Camino. If they need to quarantine, it is not seen as a responsibility of the health service or the local council to provide for this. I am sorry, but that is how it is. We can question whether this is fair, but it is what it is.to me it seems to be necessary to emphasize that a hospitalization (whether it is only a fiduciary quarantine) or not, is performed when there is positivity to covid -19. In the specific case, it is not yet clear whether the Polish woman has contracted covid -19.
And then there are different levels of severity of the infection .... mild symptoms / mild fever or serious breathing problems, cough / high fever. Depending on the severity of the subject's health situation, it will be seen whether the protocol provides for hospitalization and/or reception centers set up by the health authorities and/or affiliated hotels.
But here is one thing that is not clear when I read that the polish woman did not have the right to transport because she was not a dependent person ... what does it mean? Is there any reference to the health coverage recognized by the member states by the European community?
Without blaming it, I add that the same health workers who answer telephone calls are not always up to giving valid and clear information. In this specific case I would have put the polish pilgrim in contact with a nearest medical center to perform, to do as soon as possible, the serological test. And then PCR in the specialized center in the area.
But here is just my reflection because I am not aware of specific events. And now, not even the general emergency situation in that area of Spain.
On the other hand, I would see no justification for a patient positive to covid-19 (even with mild symptoms) to be left to fend for himself, in a tent in a green area of the albergues. It becomes a danger to others as well. No I really hope not. I would be embittered.
It would not be in line with "the unanimous agreement reached by the Spanish Minister of Health with the autonomous communities of Spain, to implement a series of restrictions affecting the entire national territory, including PCR tests and quarantine measures from to adopt".
And here I ask to @casasusana or other residents in Spain if this is true ..?
But at this point I am also very curious to know how other states (especially Europeans) behave when a foreigner (present in the territory of that state) shows symptoms of covid-19 contagion?
What is guaranteed to these foreigners?
Thanks for any replies.
Quarantine is not only for positive cases of Covid, but also for people with symptoms awaiting tests and results, and also for contacts of positive cases.All I can tell you is my knowledge of the Galician health service protocol, from a friend who is a doctor in an after hours health service. As explained to me, a suspected case of Covid is only transported to hospital if seriously ill (not just a fever, as was the case in Baamonde). Otherwise, as I previously stated, one rings 061 and they make an appointment for your test - that is all. No transportation is provided, for Galician citizens, or other EU citizens. Pilgrims need to be aware of this when they undertake a Camino. If they need to quarantine, it is not seen as a responsibility of the health service or the local council to provide for this. I am sorry, but that is how it is. We can question whether this is fair, but it is what it is.
thanks for the replies @casasusana.The health service and local councils only take responsibility for the transportation of people for a test who have some form of disability which means they are not independent. The European health card does not qualify a person from another European country to anything more than a Galician person under the Galician Health Service.
you should be insured within 24 hours of reporting symptoms.And that may be fast or it may take time - until someone comes and until the result is known.
OK ... let's slow down a bit ☺.
This is the type of rash statement that I might expect to see used in a headline by an irresponsible news editor.The Oxford vaccine trial has failed ...
Right. It hasn't failed. The trial is on hold while one participant's adverse reaction is investigated.This is the type of rash statement that I might expect to see used by an irresponsible news editor.
This is the type of rash statement that I might expect to see used in a headline by an irresponsible news editor.
Yes...you are right. it goes on everywhere.Despite Covid-19, ‘botellón’ culture persists in Madrid - a recent article in the English online edition of El Pais about young people in Madrid during Covid-19 times. I read it and catch myself thinking: "Can you blame them?" Note: These are not people, whether young or old, who know or suspect that they are currently Covid-19 positive and still go to large gatherings and parties where they mix with many others from different age groups, different social groups and different areas and who are the worst offenders, imho.
No need to apologize. There's nothing unfair in what you're saying, @casa susana . It's called personal responsibility.No transportation is provided, for Galician citizens, or other EU citizens. Pilgrims need to be aware of this when they undertake a Camino. If they need to quarantine, it is not seen as a responsibility of the health service or the local council to provide for this. I am sorry, but that is how it is. We can question whether this is fair, but it is what it is.
It's not fair to put the burden on hospitaleros in the albergues.
Honestly? Yes.I read it and catch myself thinking: "Can you blame them?"
I was reflecting on the fact that today between the first swab / test, the quarantine, possibly the counter-proof that the patient is really negative, more than 14 days pass .... MAYBE is a way to shorten this timing?France will reduce its quarantine measure from 14 days to 7.
I do not know if this will affect tit-for-tat measures concerning other countries imposing 14-day quarantines upon travelers from France.
I was reflecting on the fact that today between the first swab / test, the quarantine, possibly the counter-proof that the patient is really negative, more than 14 days pass .... MAYBE is a way to shorten this timing?
Yes. The reason why officially imposed quarantine times are shortened, for example from 14 days earlier to 7 days now, or why there is currently a discussion about this in various countries in Europe (I don’t know about elsewhere) is the fact that a person can be infected (still carries live virus) but is no longer infectious (virus load has become too low to infect others).I was reflecting on the fact that today between the first swab / test, the quarantine, possibly the counter-proof that the patient is really negative, more than 14 days pass .... MAYBE is a way to shorten this timing?
The diagram shown below was in my news today (translated into English). The NYT article mentioned earlier had also some interesting information. The PCR tests which are the tests most commonly used by health authorities in Spain and other European countries as far as I know, run through a number of cycles in the labs, for example 40 cycles, to find the tiniest bits of virus. This means that the virus load of the tested person can be very low. It could be set to a lower cycle number to find mainly infected persons with a reasonable high virus load who are able to actually infect others, the author suggests (and provided I understood it correctly).a person can be infected (still carries live virus) but is no longer infectious (virus load has become too low to infect others).
I hope the focus on cleanliness will continue. I still am in shock that back in March we had to teach adults how to wash hands....I am not going to expand the discussion with questions about covid 19, but the reflection I received from a friend is interesting.
He is the director of a company that deals with hotel supplies.
Referring to the employees who work in the company, since the use of masks - the more frequent washing of hands - the use of disinfectants was imposed, he noted that the requests for absence from work due to illness (not for the covid) they dropped by 50% in comparison with other previous periods.
In turn, he got the same conclusion from another executive who even works in a home / retirement center for the elderly.
Maybe this statement can make smile, but it makes me think personally.
Could it become a stable criterion for post-covid too?
Aren't languages interesting? In English medical lingo, melena means black, tarry stool (from blood leaking into the gut).I'd say that the biggest news of today from Spain is not the fact that Spain reports a record rise in coronavirus cases, namely 10,764 in 24 hours but that Fernando Simón, Spain's equivalent of Dr Fauci, had his mane cut. The Spanish word is "la melena" btw.
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There are a number of official places to get this information, for example the Spanish government websites or the European Union's websites.Will someone explain to me if US citizens are now allowed into Europe? Where is the best online place for me to keep up with changes on these regulations?
The two words have nothing to do with each other. They are not related.Aren't languages interesting? In English medical lingo, melena means black, tarry stool
Yes I know that. My point was that languages are interesting in their sameness and their differences.The two words have nothing to do with each other. They are not related.
Melena = mane, hair is a Spanish word that is derived from an Arab word, like a number of other Spanish words.
Melena = black stool is derived from a Greek word, basically the Greek word melas, meaning black, dark. Related words are melanin (pigment that determines skin colour), melanoma (dark skin cancer spots), melancholic and others.
Yes, that is the site I mentioned I had gone to and where it said if Americans tried to enter Spain they might be put in 14 day detention or made to go back on the next available flight.There are a number of official places to get this information, for example the Spanish government websites or the European Union's websites.
If you live in the United States, a good website is the U.S. Embassy in Spain: https://es.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/ Question: Are U.S. citizens permitted to enter? Answer: No, only in some limited circumstances.
Walking a Camino is not one of these circumstances.
The topic has been discussed at length in several current forum threads. Just enter Americans Europe into the forum's search box to find them.
It has certainly been discussed but it has not been settled - because the situation is constantly changing and there are many complexities that make generalities inaccurate. So, no one on this forum can give you the accurate information you want.Sounds like you would rather I did not bring this up as it has been dealt with already. Amen.
It has certainly been discussed but it has not been settled - because the situation is constantly changing and there are many complexities that make generalities inaccurate. So, no one on this forum can give you the accurate information you want.
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