AlexanderAZ
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I'm not saying they are there illegally or asking for their cherished hunting customs to change. How about posting a freakin' sign at the spilt so a pilgrim doesn't get shot nor does a hunter have to leave his blind to yell "danger"(peligro) at pilgrims to turn around. Sheesh.
Just had a gaggle of people arrive the albergue shaken because a 600lb boar ran across the field and by them on the Camino path by the road. This was 100m beyond that split I mentioned above.
To future pilgrims : if you see this sign there is a possibility of active hunting in the area...View attachment 36575
How about posting a freakin' sign at the spilt so a pilgrim doesn't get shot nor does a hunter have to leave his blind to yell "danger"(peligro) at pilgrims to turn around. Sheesh.
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Are you sure there was no sign? I have seen many of them, can't remember the exact wording but something like zona de CAZA (which means hunting in Spanish)
Oh Sabine you beat me to it, well done for the photo
... I don't have any idea what the hunting laws are in Spain but SURELY hunting anywhere near the Camino can't possibly be right!!..
... zona de CAZA (which means hunting in Spanish)...
WOW!! My walking companion and I took this alternative route. It was very lonely, in fact we almost doubled back until another pilgrim came along whilst we were taking a 5 min rest. I can well imagine your surprise. I also agree that whilst hunting in Spain is both common and legal the relevant signage needs updating (maybe a picture of a rifle or shotgun).
BTW - was there any indication that this was a seasonal event - ie coming in to Autumn/Fall when it would be common to reduce the numbers of animals, improve the chances of others surviving winter??
Note to John Brierley - please insert a note about the shooting/hunting on this map. Tks
Definitively doing you a favour..., The French hunters aren't always as niceThe man who stopped you was probably doing you a favor, keeping you clear of an active hunt. .
What you describe sounds very familiar to me as there are similar hunts in other European countries: a sort of "moving" hunt that takes place only occasionally, near woods or in fields close to roads and villages, sometimes temporary warning signs are set up but that is not always the case. Otherwise there may be one or more hunters tasked with warning pedestrians if necessary. And it's in autumn - although hunting boar may be all year round, I am not sure.
I was looking for the word for this kind of hunt in English but all I came up with was "battue" which I'd never heard before. Perhaps it's a concept that not everyone is familiar with? And does this mean that boar may be on the pilgrim's menu? That would be a good reason for an autumn pilgrimage.
Then "battue" might not be the right word in English ... I just know these two kinds: stationary in specific places (usually just one hunter) and moving all over the territory (usually more than one hunter), with or without dogs; and all quite regulated by many laws.
I think what you are referring to at the end of the quote is or was customary until recently only in one European country - or part of that country - which shall not be named.
Interesting...think we call it klopjacht.
drijfjacht, klopjacht is meer iets voor politie
@SabineP, @MinaKamina, now it's my turn to say "interesting". You may enjoy reading this little bit of background information in an INL article although it is a bit dated. To quote a currently famous meme/person: "[We] know words. [We] have the best words."
reserva ecologica? these foreign languages do pull some stunts!
and occasionally shooting one another by accident..
-- usually city guys who drive in to shoot something, leave a load of litter, and drive home again.
It's against the law to take a persons photo who is in public view?To the OP.Did you ask permission to the man for making his pic? Otherwise you are doing something illegal.
Most everywhere I've been, too, at least in the West.It's a very powerful lobby in France.
Well, not always. I lived in central Massachusetts for a few years, working at a meditation center a few miles from the nearest big town. This time of year we'd be having our fall long (silent) retreat, so 100 meditators would be doing their practice while pick-up trucks went by bristling with armaments (or dead deer), and the sound of gunfire was coming from the woods nearby. The hunters would go after whatever moved, and even on private land close to town one needed to wear high-viz vests in the woods. It was always 'interesting' - both the contrasting world views, and what it took to support people who were 5 weeks into a silent retreat and shocked by the carnage.They are held in areas that are usually pretty remote from normal usage.
It's against the law to take a persons photo who is in public view?
The thread does provide a balanced view and in many posts a good level of useful inormation, but I stand by my assertion that a number of posts were less than sympathetic to the fact that a pilgrim was made to feel a little afraid. He wasn’t expressing indignation ( a rather negative emotion ) but rather, genuinely trying to warn others, and I’m pretty sure he wasn’t internet shaming but simply showing what he’d seen.I haven't reread every message in this thread but I rather feel that most posters have tried to provide genuine additional information. I'd also like to commend @AlexanderAZ for posting the warning, taking it all in his stride and in particular for coming back to the thread to post replies and provide additional information. All to often, unfortunately, someone posts about an event that caused them indignation and never reacts to subsequent posts, leaving everyone wondering what really happened.
I share some of the unease about the photo and any kind of public shaming on the Internet but on the other hand the thread as a whole provides a more balanced view than the initial message. I'm intrigued to see that the person wears a bright yellow vest. Are all hunters dressed like this in Castilla y Leon and Galicia?
Like most of us, I'm not terribly familiar with local customs but would like to repeat that it's quite possible that this was a rare event, perhaps lasting only for a very short time before the hunt moved on, so don't expect to see warning signs. And have a look at this message from 2014: Hunting season in Galicia . Conclusion: Be on the look0ut in October, especially on Saturday and Sunday mornings (check the timeline in this thread)..
I can affirm that all the Spanish walkers I've seen on this Camino have been wearing neon yellow vests. They must know something. Haven't seen the hunters, only heard them. I didn't make the connection until I saw this thread. Again, thank you, @AlexanderAZ, for bringing up this topic!...Are all hunters dressed like this in Castilla y Leon and Galicia?
Whilst busy with all the translations - watch out for your English "- underbushes" is not a word- and why are we discussing this? - when we started with a perfectly good warning by the OP about hunting in Spain, which has been most informative.I see I am geographically, linguistically and socially totally balanced! What a way to start the week!
Battue is probably French, and both battue (in France) and batida (in Spain) are also used to describe a search for a missing person in the outdoors, where people cross an area walking in one line next to each other, and poke with sticks in the underbushes.
Just past Calzadilla de la Cueza the Camino makes a split (before Ledigos). You can take the path by the road or the path into the woods. In the Bierly guide the route is marked green, in the Camino Companion gps app it is marked blue. I choose the woods route (green/blue). About 10 minutes in a man jumps out of the forest waving a shotgun & yelling. Thanks to Google translate I was able to understand that he and others were hunting and it was dangerous to continue on the path. Let me reiterate this was ON the Camino itself, not off the Camino in some field. I turned around to go back to the route by the road and related the message not to continue to at least 8-10 others. When I got to Ledigos I explained what happened and showed photos to the person working at the albergue and asked if they could please call the police. I don't have any idea what the hunting laws are in Spain but SURELY hunting anywhere near the Camino can't possibly be right!! I took a photo of the hunter, the exact gps location of the "split" I'm referring to (note the direction of the blue arrow is going opposite the direction of the Camino since I had to walk back) as well as marker where the split is located (you can see in the photo the Camino separating into the 2 paths). Will try to upload the pics. My phone service is flickering. Hopefully the authorities can get out and put up a sign or something b/c this is crazy.
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Just past Calzadilla de la Cueza the Camino makes a split (before Ledigos). You can take the path by the road or the path into the woods. In the Bierly guide the route is marked green, in the Camino Companion gps app it is marked blue. I choose the woods route (green/blue). About 10 minutes in a man jumps out of the forest waving a shotgun & yelling. Thanks to Google translate I was able to understand that he and others were hunting and it was dangerous to continue on the path. Let me reiterate this was ON the Camino itself, not off the Camino in some field. I turned around to go back to the route by the road and related the message not to continue to at least 8-10 others. When I got to Ledigos I explained what happened and showed photos to the person working at the albergue and asked if they could please call the police. I don't have any idea what the hunting laws are in Spain but SURELY hunting anywhere near the Camino can't possibly be right!! I took a photo of the hunter, the exact gps location of the "split" I'm referring to (note the direction of the blue arrow is going opposite the direction of the Camino since I had to walk back) as well as marker where the split is located (you can see in the photo the Camino separating into the 2 paths). Will try to upload the pics. My phone service is flickering. Hopefully the authorities can get out and put up a sign or something b/c this is crazy.
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Added for clarification:
"In the U.S."
As Reb posts above..there are various hunting seasons in different States.
There are deer and elk seasons, bear seasons, duck, goose, turkey, pheasant,
and other critters.
They are held in areas that are usually pretty remote from normal walking usage.
Not likely non-hunters will be encountered.
The Pilgrim routes often go right through hunting areas and the interaction is much more likely to occur.
Well said. It's the hunting season people, get over it!I could add to this that the hunting along the camino paths are not really that unusual. I have walked for a couple of days on the VdlP while hearing shooting in the nearby fields. I admit that it was a bit unnerving at times as I was not sure where the hunters were in relationship to my location.
I have encountered hunters walking down the various paths on both the Camino Frances and the Primitivo several times.
My first reaction to this is "How Awful". Whilst I know and accept that 'Hunting" Deer and other animals for sport, is and has been a 'Tradition' both in Europe and the US, I just hate the thought of killing those animals;....just my humble opinion hereThere definitely are hunting seasons in the United States, they vary by state. Where I came up in Western Pennsylvania, the first day of white-tail deer hunting season is practically a state holiday, with massive absentee rates at schools and workplaces... to the point where some just give everybody the day off. The world and his wife is in the woods at sunup, banging away with high-powered rifles, drinking beer, and occasionally shooting one another by accident.
...and in the afternoon the victorious park their pickups outside the coffee shops with the deer carcasses strapped to the bumpers.
Yes it is. He is not a public figure. Public view has nothing to do with it in European law. Had he been aware that his picture was being taken, he might have objected, and Alexander AZ would have been obliged to delete it from his phone or camera.
Plus shaming this person on the internet because he merely tried to warn you is punishable by law too.
I am surprised that this picture is still on line. There are many cases where the owner of the website was held accountable.
I think that is US law, I don't know about Spain but it certainly not illegal here in the UK
Funny, it's the same in Wisconsin! Not the most appealing site when traveling behind them on the interstate. Ha ha. Being from a hunting family, nothing new.There definitely are hunting seasons in the United States, they vary by state. Where I came up in Western Pennsylvania, the first day of white-tail deer hunting season is practically a state holiday, with massive absentee rates at schools and workplaces... to the point where some just give everybody the day off. The world and his wife is in the woods at sunup, banging away with high-powered rifles, drinking beer, and occasionally shooting one another by accident.
...and in the afternoon the victorious park their pickups outside the coffee shops with the deer carcasses strapped to the bumpers.
Just past Calzadilla de la Cueza the Camino makes a split (before Ledigos). You can take the path by the road or the path into the woods. In the Bierly guide the route is marked green, in the Camino Companion gps app it is marked blue. I choose the woods route (green/blue). About 10 minutes in a man jumps out of the forest waving a shotgun & yelling. Thanks to Google translate I was able to understand that he and others were hunting and it was dangerous to continue on the path. Let me reiterate this was ON the Camino itself, not off the Camino in some field. I turned around to go back to the route by the road and related the message not to continue to at least 8-10 others. When I got to Ledigos I explained what happened and showed photos to the person working at the albergue and asked if they could please call the police. I don't have any idea what the hunting laws are in Spain but SURELY hunting anywhere near the Camino can't possibly be right!! I took a photo of the hunter, the exact gps location of the "split" I'm referring to (note the direction of the blue arrow is going opposite the direction of the Camino since I had to walk back) as well as marker where the split is located (you can see in the photo the Camino separating into the 2 paths). Will try to upload the pics. My phone service is flickering. Hopefully the authorities can get out and put up a sign or something b/c this is crazy.
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You must have been very frightened but you must never forget that we are guests in their country. Hope that the shock of all this is starting to fade, and that you will soon be able to again soak in the wonderment of the camino.Just past Calzadilla de la Cueza the Camino makes a split (before Ledigos). You can take the path by the road or the path into the woods. In the Bierly guide the route is marked green, in the Camino Companion gps app it is marked blue. I choose the woods route (green/blue). About 10 minutes in a man jumps out of the forest waving a shotgun & yelling. Thanks to Google translate I was able to understand that he and others were hunting and it was dangerous to continue on the path. Let me reiterate this was ON the Camino itself, not off the Camino in some field. I turned around to go back to the route by the road and related the message not to continue to at least 8-10 others. When I got to Ledigos I explained what happened and showed photos to the person working at the albergue and asked if they could please call the police. I don't have any idea what the hunting laws are in Spain but SURELY hunting anywhere near the Camino can't possibly be right!! I took a photo of the hunter, the exact gps location of the "split" I'm referring to (note the direction of the blue arrow is going opposite the direction of the Camino since I had to walk back) as well as marker where the split is located (you can see in the photo the Camino separating into the 2 paths). Will try to upload the pics. My phone service is flickering. Hopefully the authorities can get out and put up a sign or something b/c this is crazy.
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