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This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.9. If you are seated at the window, lower the window shade after takeoff--especially if other shades are already lowered.
I aggressively (!) agree with you. On one flight I complained to the staff, I got so uptight about it. And you're right, the response was that they couldn't do anything about it because the passengers like to see their screens. Actually I think it's just peer pressure gone mad.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
What a good idea of where to put unruly children! (This is meant to be funny and not to upset anyone!).Taking up all the overhead locker space is selfish (the exception to this is parents with small children).
I am old enough to have travelled in a bed/bunk in a Lockheed Constellation (I think it was) in 1959, with my mother. The beds were where there are now overhead lockers. They were curtained off and I remember the "air hostess" as they were called, waking us up in the morning with a cup of tea. Here is an article with a photo.What a good idea of where to put unruly children! (This is meant to be funny and not to upset anyone!).
Agreed.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
I do not recommend opening the window on overseas flights.I’m also a window sitter and I prefer it open so I don’t feel claustrophobic.
Your days of gazing are numbered. Both the 787 and A350 have dimming features controlled by the flight crew. No more glaring sunlight from one window filling the cabin as world travelers try to sleep. Based upon positive feedback, that feature will be incorporated into all new designs.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
#*%$!Your days of gazing are numbered.
Couldn’t you get the flight attendant involved and show your seat in your ticket? That person has to move.And sit in your assigned seat.
Or else.. the wordsmith who paid for a window seat, who gave you enough hints your in the wrong seat to make it painfully and fully obvious your in the wrong seat....
Will talk to you, and only you
Non stop for the next 4-6hours
Non stop
Forcing your attention
Making you rue the day you decided to steal someone elses seat paid for from low to no funds for an emergency flight home.
Rue the day.
I did this in the flight over here to Spain. They did love it!!Bring chocolates for the flight attendants. They will LOVE you! I never knew this until a retired United flight attendant house & dogsat for me and gave me this tip. The look of joy and delight on their faces when I boarded and handed them the chocolates was priceless.
I'd rather have crying, loud, curious children than obnoxious (sober or drunk) entitled adults near me.What a good idea of where to put unruly children! (This is meant to be funny and not to upset anyone!).
I don't prefer either.I'd rather have crying, loud, curious children than obnoxious (sober or drunk) entitled adults near me.
Try walking over from America.Jeeez guys, ye are taking all the fun out of flying,I'll just have to walk from now on.
I prefer the aisle seat...that is far less claustrophobic to me. I now pay a bit more for the luxury of sticking my foot out in the aisle as long as I don't trip anyone who is heading to the bathroom.I am fortunate in that I can pay for a flight that is direct and only 9 something hours to Europe from western Canada. It’s not first class but the extra $200 it cost is well worth it and I wouldn’t go back. I’m also a window sitter and I prefer it open so I don’t feel claustrophobic.
The only upgrade I paid for recently on American Airlines was for a coveted aisle seat...worth its extra $13 in gold.I love all the ideas above. As a global traveler for nearly 50 years, I endorse every one of them.
Personally, when I travel to Spain or Portugal, I have a car take me to Miami International. They drop me about 50 feet from the Iberia check-in counter. From MIA, the nonstop flight to MAD is about eight and a half hours.
Another tip is to buy your ticket early, and look for cheap upgrades to Premium Economy if possible. Sometimes it is only a couple of hundred dollars more - roundtrip. You typically get a much more comfortable seat, better service ad two checked bags.
Yes. But then you can. I dare anyone to try that from ANZ or the Americas.I start from home by bike, so no aircraft rules required. Then I can either return by bike or get the train. More traditional, n'est-ce pas?
Yes. It is more traditional. But many of the same courtesies will make travel more comfortable for all.I start from home by bike, so no aircraft rules required. Then I can either return by bike or get the train. More traditional, n'est-ce pas?
I think the flight attendants should be handed out the chocolates to us.I did this in the flight over here to Spain. They did love it!!
Lucky you! I am a bit envious.I start from home by bike, so no aircraft rules required. Then I can either return by bike or get the train. More traditional, n'est-ce pas?
So true! It is an apprenticeship of the annoyances to come for a month+ if you sleep in albergues...should you so choose to partake of them. I kind of have liked that communal experience in retirement...where else can we rub shoulders with "the young and restless" who are generations younger than ourselves!If there are snorers on the flight...rejoice.!!!!
This is your apprenticeship not an annoyance.
I agree 100%! I love looking out the window and always book a window seat. I much prefer watching the landscape below, or clouds, to gazing at a screen, which I can do any time at home...I always close it on an overnight flight.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
I've had that happen to me. When the squatter was reluctant to change seats. I politely asked the attendant to find me another seat. I ending up having an entire row and an attendant who made sure I was comfortable for the entire 14 hour flight.Couldn’t you get the flight attendant involved and show your seat in your ticket? That person has to move.
The flight was full,sighI've had that happen to me. When the squatter was reluctant to change seats. I politely asked the attendant to find me another seat. I ending up having an entire row and an attendant who made sure I was comfortable for the entire 14 hour flight.
It would have made people uncomfortable, at a fit 6 foot 240 lbs at the time some people got nervous around me.Couldn’t you get the flight attendant involved and show your seat in your ticket? That person has to move.
My ex-wife was a flight attendant. On a flight from Rome to London an Italian lady tried to give her baby over to the flight crew for the duration. Told that this was not their job she then asked if she could put the child in the overhead locker . . .What a good idea of where to put unruly children! (This is meant to be funny and not to upset anyone!).
I am not on tictock, nor shall I ever be. You do not speak for many of us on long-haul flights. In fact, my phone is on airplane mode for the whole duration.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
Of course the other reason for having the shades up for take off and landing it that if you do have a hard landing the crews on the crash wagons can see if there are still people/bodies inside . . .As a retired international flight attendant of 31 years—thank you for saying what we tried to accomplish on every flight—decency, cooperation, courtesy!
Yes, chocolates were ALWAYS appreciated, but just a thank you was more than we often received. People always thanked the pilots, but remember this: in a crash, the pilots escape route is through cockpit windows. It’s the flight attendants who stay behind to get you off the plane!
Don’t expect the flight attendants to put your “way too heavy” bag in the overhead bins! It’s not their job. They need those arms and back to open the emergency doors, release the life rafts, perform CPR! I used to always lift the bags, but with upwards of 400 passengers per flight, I paid the price and, shortly after retirement, had ribs removed and muscles cut that were crushing the nerves in my arms. It’s one bag to you, but 400 every trip to us!
As to the window issue, here is the reasoning behind it: if you’re flying through the night and the sun rises early, we had you close the shades to allow you to sleep as long as possible. In the old days of the single movie screens, it also made movie viewing impossible. And sometimes the sun is so bright through your window that it’s blinding the person across the aisle. I like to see the view when I travel, too, but be aware of others.
One thing you might not know: during take off and landing, make sure your shades are up: if you have an emergency, you’ll want to know if there’s fire near your exit or if there’s water ( you can’t open certain exits in water) or another danger on your side of the plane. We know when to open or leave that exit closed, but an excited passenger might not, and it’s too late if there’s fire or water. Cabin lights are turned low for takeoff or landing in the evening because we want your eyes adjusted to the dark in case an evacuation is necessary.
And keep your shoes on for takeoff and landing! Emergencies happen and it could make your exit through a debris field a lot more comfortable. Having shoes on in the lavatories is a good idea, too. That is not water on the floor and we don’t have mops to clean up after a slob!
The most important thing to know? In an evacuation LEAVE YOUR BAGS BEHIND! You will puncture the slide , cause a slow down of the evacuation while you struggle to get your bag, your bag could fly out of your hands and kill someone as the slide is very fast, and NOTHING in your bag is worth someone’s life. In the US, our planes are certified on being able to evacuate a plane in less than ninety seconds. Hard to do if some clown is worried about their bags. You see how boarding is congested; now see what happens in a crash! And if you watch any TV reporting of people evacuating, look how many take their luggage!
Sorry for all the “crash” talk, but once a flight attendant, always a flight attendant. Safety was our primary job, not food and beverages.
Hard landing? The euphemistic equivalent for rock-climbers was “uncontrolled descent”. The consequences of either are probably similar.Of course the other reason for having the shades up for take off and landing it that if you do have a hard landing the crews on the crash wagons can see if there are still people/bodies inside . . .
I’m sorry, but if we are to the level that someone has to tell us how to act on an airplane, well, I’m in the wrong generation or wrong forum.Last week someone posted a thread on the do's and don'ts in albergues. Here is my list of do's and don'ts on the airplane as you head to the Camino:
Do:
1. Follow the Golden Rule: treat others like you would want to be treated.
Don'ts:
1. Do not take the opportunity of a ten-hour flight to clip your toenails.
2. If you are in the window seat in Economy, do not take off your shoe and slip your bare foot between the bulkhead and the seat ahead of you. The passenger ahead of you does not need to look at your foot while they eat their meal.
3. If you are in the aisle seat, do not place your legs into the aisle while you are trying to sleep.
4. If you are seated in the window seat, place everything you might need during the flight in a small bag and tuck it between your seat and the bulkhead. There is no need to get up eleven times during a 10-hour flight to get something out of your carryon bag in the overhead bin.
5. Do not babble on and on about your hobbies and favorite movies if the person seated next to you has a book in their hands. Know your audience. Read the room. They are clutching it in a desperate attempt to get you to stop talking about macrame and Forrest Gump.
6. Do not snap your fingers at the flight attendant. Simply making eye contact and smiling or nodding your head will notify them that you want another drink.
7. Do not get intoxicated. No one likes a sloppy drunk in a confined space. Seriously. No. One.
8. Do not listen to Tik Tok or YouTube without headphones. You might be surprised at how many people do not find your video selection to be interesting.
9. If you are seated at the window, lower the window shade after takeoff--especially if other shades are already lowered.
10. Leave your Japanese Natto dish at home. Yes, you love to eat it and you do not mind the smell, but believe me, everyone around you is gagging at the nauseating odor.
11. You know the perfume/cologne you love to pour all over your body? Don't. See number 10.
12. When getting up, do not grab the seat ahead of you to get on your feet. Push yourself up from the armrests. The person sleeping ahead you will be grateful that you allowed them to continue to sleep.
Having read stories of unruly passengers being duct taped to their seat, I briefly considered wearing a full roll of a cute pattern as a bracelet. I dare say it would have made it through security-no metal parts. I did not and am grateful to not have needed to regret my decision to leave it behind.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
Edit. I DO shut the shade when it's sleep time, but now they seem to want the shades down even at midday. Perhaps it keeps the mob pacified? I would hate to be a flight attendant now, with so many angry people.
This will definitely be welcome to me. It will allow the crew to sensibly manage our screwed up diurnal rhythm. My upcoming flight from London to Perth departs at about noon, and arrives at noon (local), but takes 17.5 hours flight time. It will be interesting to note at what "time" we are offered daylight. The Aus -London leg doesn't present a problem, departing at night and arriving 5am. I note that the aircraft is a new generation 787.Your days of gazing are numbered. Both the 787 and A350 have dimming features controlled by the flight crew. No more glaring sunlight from one window filling the cabin as world travelers try to sleep. Based upon positive feedback, that feature will be incorporated into all new designs.
True, but they seem to happen on trains anyway. A more civilised way to travel.Yes. It is more traditional. But many of the same courtesies will make travel more comfortable for all.
As a retired international flight attendant of 31 years—thank you for saying what we tried to accomplish on every flight—decency, cooperation, courtesy!
Yes, chocolates were ALWAYS appreciated, but just a thank you was more than we often received. People always thanked the pilots, but remember this: in a crash, the pilots escape route is through cockpit windows. It’s the flight attendants who stay behind to get you off the plane!
Don’t expect the flight attendants to put your “way too heavy” bag in the overhead bins! It’s not their job. They need those arms and back to open the emergency doors, release the life rafts, perform CPR! I used to always lift the bags, but with upwards of 400 passengers per flight, I paid the price and, shortly after retirement, had ribs removed and muscles cut that were crushing the nerves in my arms. It’s one bag to you, but 400 every trip to us!
As to the window issue, here is the reasoning behind it: if you’re flying through the night and the sun rises early, we had you close the shades to allow you to sleep as long as possible. In the old days of the single movie screens, it also made movie viewing impossible. And sometimes the sun is so bright through your window that it’s blinding the person across the aisle. I like to see the view when I travel, too, but be aware of others.
One thing you might not know: during take off and landing, make sure your shades are up: if you have an emergency, you’ll want to know if there’s fire near your exit or if there’s water ( you can’t open certain exits in water) or another danger on your side of the plane. We know when to open or leave that exit closed, but an excited passenger might not, and it’s too late if there’s fire or water. Cabin lights are turned low for takeoff or landing in the evening because we want your eyes adjusted to the dark in case an evacuation is necessary.
And keep your shoes on for takeoff and landing! Emergencies happen and it could make your exit through a debris field a lot more comfortable. Having shoes on in the lavatories is a good idea, too. That is not water on the floor and we don’t have mops to clean up after a slob!
The most important thing to know? In an evacuation LEAVE YOUR BAGS BEHIND! You will puncture the slide , cause a slow down of the evacuation while you struggle to get your bag, your bag could fly out of your hands and kill someone as the slide is very fast, and NOTHING in your bag is worth someone’s life. In the US, our planes are certified on being able to evacuate a plane in less than ninety seconds. Hard to do if some clown is worried about their bags. You see how boarding is congested; now see what happens in a crash! And if you watch any TV reporting of people evacuating, look how many take their luggage!
Sorry for all the “crash” talk, but once a flight attendant, always a flight attendant. Safety was our primary job, not food and beverages.
I used to love the window seat to see the view. Some memorables - the incredible 'architecture' of central Australia, the desolation of Afghanistan, the stark white peaks of the Himalayas. Do the planes fly higher these days because all I seem to see now is glaring white daylight - or black night.Lots of good tips. Except this:
This is a pet peeve. I get a window seat to look out the window - it less claustrophobic, keeps my stomach happier, and I never tire of the view of the world from above. Having to close my window so people can gaze dumbly at their tiktok videos? Sorry. Just no.
Edit. I DO shut the shade when it's sleep time, but now they seem to want the shades down even at midday. Perhaps it keeps the mob pacified? I would hate to be a flight attendant now, with so many angry people.
Excellent point.If there are snorers on the flight...rejoice.!!!!
This is your apprenticeship not an annoyance.
You just reminded me of my first flight out to Australia in a charter 707 full of migrants from the UK in 1970- the Aussies used to call us "10 pound Poms". The sun came up and we gazed out at the blood red desolation of Australia for hours. There was a palpable sense of a plane-load of people thinking "My God! What have we done".I used to love the window seat to see the view. Some memorables - the incredible 'architecture' of central Australia ...
I saw that happen a few years ago on an overseas flight. An older, well dressed woman took the aisle seat in front of us. A man asked her to move as it was his seat and showed her his ticket. She shook her head vehemently "no" and refused to move. He kept asking, and eventually a flight attendent came over and still could not get her to budge, so the man, a true gentleman, eventually took her assigned window seat instead..she had a sense of false entitlement, but she still got her way.I've had that happen to me. When the squatter was reluctant to change seats. I politely asked the attendant to find me another seat. I ending up having an entire row and an attendant who made sure I was comfortable for the entire 14 hour flight.
There is a reason airports keep you guessing—those that aim to do harm actually do reconnaissance to find patterns. The hijackers on 9/11 flew on our flights for a year to see what the passenger loads were to determine how much fuel we’d be carrying, how many crew members would be working the flight, how strict security was. Nine of my friends were aboard those flights, so I still follow regulations closely. Flight attendants were the ones who called on the air phones to report where the hijackers were seated, what they were carrying, etc. Information that proved valuable then and still helps the authorities today. The shoe bomber was caught by a flight attendant while he was trying to ignite the bomb in his shoe. So, a little bit of keeping you on your toes and not knowing what to expect from security is a good thing!I found it interesting this spring that on one international flight we had to take off our shoes, but they didn't want us to take our quart bag of liquids out of our luggage. Going home they didn't want us to remove our shoes, but made a big deal to take out the bag of liquids...completely opposite...go figure.
Happy to give insight into something I do know about and that isn’t ever explained well to the public. There are good reasons for most things and, like most people, I want to know why!Thank you. Now this is a contribution that I can get behind - a very welcome counterbalance to some of the content in this surprising thread.
Not necessarily. Check out my post #53.Couldn’t you get the flight attendant involved and show your seat in your ticket? That person has to move.
I'm against opening the window on any flight!!I do not recommend opening the window on overseas flights.
My wife and I always try to get allocated extra leg room seats, typically exit rows. These days there is almost invariably a small extra cost for this. On one trip, she injured her knee and was in a cast. The cabin crew would not allow her to remain in the exit row on take-off and landing, and found us other seats. We were able to return to our allocated seats for the bulk of the flight.2. If you are elderly and/or frail, you may appreciate the extra space that is available in the emergency exit row. Don't sit there. On some airlines, you may have to tell a flight attendant that you are capable of opening the exit door. Lying about this may be the last sin that you ever commit.
Now take a deep breath and . . . . relax . . .I’m sorry, but if we are to the level that someone has to tell us how to act on an airplane, well, I’m in the wrong generation or wrong forum.
Two more for your lexicon:Hard landing? The euphemistic equivalent for rock-climbers was “uncontrolled descent”. The consequences of either are probably similar.
On aircraft that I have flown in with this feature, there has always been a control at each window that allow the dimming to be reduced so that one can see out the window. Other than over-riding anyone trying to dim the window on take-off and landing, it would be a shame to see the option to look out the window from time to time removed.Your days of gazing are numbered. Both the 787 and A350 have dimming features controlled by the flight crew. No more glaring sunlight from one window filling the cabin as world travelers try to sleep. Based upon positive feedback, that feature will be incorporated into all new designs.
Now take a deep breath and . . . . relax . . .
Agree with most but Definitely will Not sit for 10 hours straight on the plane. Health wise, it is very important to get up and move around for blood circulation and drink lots of water. Also, will not fly with windows blacked out for 10 hours straight unless it’s sleep time or movie time or it is extremely bright outside. Agree with everything else though.Last week someone posted a thread on the do's and don'ts in albergues. Here is my list of do's and don'ts on the airplane as you head to the Camino:
Do:
1. Follow the Golden Rule: treat others like you would want to be treated.
Don'ts:
1. Do not take the opportunity of a ten-hour flight to clip your toenails.
2. If you are in the window seat in Economy, do not take off your shoe and slip your bare foot between the bulkhead and the seat ahead of you. The passenger ahead of you does not need to look at your foot while they eat their meal.
3. If you are in the aisle seat, do not place your legs into the aisle while you are trying to sleep.
4. If you are seated in the window seat, place everything you might need during the flight in a small bag and tuck it between your seat and the bulkhead. There is no need to get up eleven times during a 10-hour flight to get something out of your carryon bag in the overhead bin.
5. Do not babble on and on about your hobbies and favorite movies if the person seated next to you has a book in their hands. Know your audience. Read the room. They are clutching it in a desperate attempt to get you to stop talking about macrame and Forrest Gump.
6. Do not snap your fingers at the flight attendant. Simply making eye contact and smiling or nodding your head will notify them that you want another drink.
7. Do not get intoxicated. No one likes a sloppy drunk in a confined space. Seriously. No. One.
8. Do not listen to Tik Tok or YouTube without headphones. You might be surprised at how many people do not find your video selection to be interesting.
9. If you are seated at the window, lower the window shade after takeoff--especially if other shades are already lowered.
10. Leave your Japanese Natto dish at home. Yes, you love to eat it and you do not mind the smell, but believe me, everyone around you is gagging at the nauseating odor.
11. You know the perfume/cologne you love to pour all over your body? Don't. See number 10.
12. When getting up, do not grab the seat ahead of you to get on your feet. Push yourself up from the armrests. The person sleeping ahead you will be grateful that you allowed them to continue to sleep.
or from AustraliaTry walking over from America.
What a wonderful story!! Thank you for sharing!I am old enough to have travelled in a bed/bunk in a Lockheed Constellation (I think it was) in 1959, with my mother. The beds were where there are now overhead lockers. They were curtained off and I remember the "air hostess" as they were called, waking us up in the morning with a cup of tea. Here is an article with a photo.
I've been doing this for years, as a military spouse who has spent LOTS of time on long, long flights. The flight attendants are USUALLY friendly and polite, seem to appreciate the gesture. Those that are not, well, they're only human!!Bring chocolates for the flight attendants. They will LOVE you! I never knew this until a retired United flight attendant house & dogsat for me and gave me this tip. The look of joy and delight on their faces when I boarded and handed them the chocolates was priceless.
Why were you on that flight, out of interest?I am old enough to have travelled in a bed/bunk in a Lockheed Constellation (I think it was) in 1959, with my mother. The beds were where there are now overhead lockers. They were curtained off and I remember the "air hostess" as they were called, waking us up in the morning with a cup of tea. Here is an article with a photo.
My father was taking up an overseas posting.Why were you on that flight, out of interest?
On my recent flight Sydney - London it was dark from a couple of hours out of Sydney. On the return flight it was dark the entire way.This will definitely be welcome to me. It will allow the crew to sensibly manage our screwed up diurnal rhythm. My upcoming flight from London to Perth departs at about noon, and arrives at noon (local), but takes 17.5 hours flight time. It will be interesting to note at what "time" we are offered daylight. The Aus -London leg doesn't present a problem, departing at night and arriving 5am. I note that the aircraft is a new generation 787.
Whilst air travel is an exercise in communal living and how to tolerate each others differences perhaps a simple request would solve the problem.I might add: DO NOT FLIP YOUR NASTY LONG HAIR OVER THE BACK OF YOUR SEAT!!! Keep your hair to yourself, preferably tied up neatly. No one wants your hair on their lap, in their food, on their tray...just gross.
YES! Thank you for including this is your list. Might I add: not wearing to church, the theater, and bookclub. I often have to leave the gathering due to these "noxious fumes".11. You know the perfume/cologne you love to pour all over your body? Don't. See number 10.
I should have mentioned that my flight is the Qantas non-stop Perth-London.On my recent flight Sydney - London it was dark from a couple of hours out of Sydney. On the return flight it was dark the entire way.
Thanks for this--especially 10, 11 and 12! Even after all these years I still feel panic that I will get stuck next to a man or woman who is dosed in scent like I experienced in my youth. I will add 13, which is related to your number 12--please use the remote to change things on your seat-back screen instead of jabbing your finger--those seats may look 'beefy' but they are not!Last week someone posted a thread on the do's and don'ts in albergues. Here is my list of do's and don'ts on the airplane as you head to the Camino:
Do:
1. Follow the Golden Rule: treat others like you would want to be treated.
Don'ts:
1. Do not take the opportunity of a ten-hour flight to clip your toenails.
2. If you are in the window seat in Economy, do not take off your shoe and slip your bare foot between the bulkhead and the seat ahead of you. The passenger ahead of you does not need to look at your foot while they eat their meal.
3. If you are in the aisle seat, do not place your legs into the aisle while you are trying to sleep.
4. If you are seated in the window seat, place everything you might need during the flight in a small bag and tuck it between your seat and the bulkhead. There is no need to get up eleven times during a 10-hour flight to get something out of your carryon bag in the overhead bin.
5. Do not babble on and on about your hobbies and favorite movies if the person seated next to you has a book in their hands. Know your audience. Read the room. They are clutching it in a desperate attempt to get you to stop talking about macrame and Forrest Gump.
6. Do not snap your fingers at the flight attendant. Simply making eye contact and smiling or nodding your head will notify them that you want another drink.
7. Do not get intoxicated. No one likes a sloppy drunk in a confined space. Seriously. No. One.
8. Do not listen to Tik Tok or YouTube without headphones. You might be surprised at how many people do not find your video selection to be interesting.
9. If you are seated at the window, lower the window shade after takeoff--especially if other shades are already lowered.
10. Leave your Japanese Natto dish at home. Yes, you love to eat it and you do not mind the smell, but believe me, everyone around you is gagging at the nauseating odor.
11. You know the perfume/cologne you love to pour all over your body? Don't. See number 10.
12. When getting up, do not grab the seat ahead of you to get on your feet. Push yourself up from the armrests. The person sleeping ahead you will be grateful that you allowed them to continue to sleep.
Ugh! Happy to say I have not experienced that one, KJFSophie, and I hope I never do!I might add: DO NOT FLIP YOUR NASTY LONG HAIR OVER THE BACK OF YOUR SEAT!!! Keep your hair to yourself, preferably tied up neatly. No one wants your hair on their lap, in their food, on their tray...just gross.
Haha but I am not happy to hear even the one side of the conversation!When you have landed and the plane is delayed before a gate becomes available, when you call all your friends to announce your arrival, it is not necessary to put your phone on speaker. The rest of the plane is happy to hear only one side of your conversation.
Thanks for the trip!I am old enough to have travelled in a bed/bunk in a Lockheed Constellation (I think it was) in 1959, with my mother. The beds were where there are now overhead lockers. They were curtained off and I remember the "air hostess" as they were called, waking us up in the morning with a cup of tea. Here is an article with a photo.
TBH, you get the option of taking the slow, calm boat to Bilbao or Santander. Why would you subject yourself to an enclosed environment with many diseased people trying to give you colds, flu and possibly worse, just before a long distance trek.Jeeez guys, ye are taking all the fun out of flying,I'll just have to walk from now on.
wonderful story from Mariana Gosnell...I am old enough to have travelled in a bed/bunk in a Lockheed Constellation (I think it was) in 1959, with my mother. The beds were where there are now overhead lockers. They were curtained off and I remember the "air hostess" as they were called, waking us up in the morning with a cup of tea. Here is an article with a photo.
But do let your knee lean out to ge the full benefit of the beverage cart slamming into it.3. If you are in the aisle seat, do not place your legs into the aisle while you are trying to sleep.
The number of times I’ve had to tell people they are in my seat is astonishing. “You’re in my seat” “But I’m sitting here” “It’s not your assigned seat, you need to move.” “But I’m sitting here” “You are currently sitting there, but the seat is assigned to me. Please move before I call a crew member to move you.” GAH!!!And sit in your assigned seat.
Or else.. the wordsmith who paid for a window seat, who gave you enough hints your in the wrong seat to make it painfully and fully obvious your in the wrong seat....
Will talk to you, and only you
Non stop for the next 4-6hours
Non stop
Forcing your attention
Making you rue the day you decided to steal someone elses seat paid for from low to no funds for an emergency flight home.
Rue the day.
Why?I do not recommend opening the window on overseas flights.
Awesome post, let’s hope lots of people take notice!!Last week someone posted a thread on the do's and don'ts in albergues. Here is my list of do's and don'ts on the airplane as you head to the Camino:
Do:
1. Follow the Golden Rule: treat others like you would want to be treated.
Don'ts:
1. Do not take the opportunity of a ten-hour flight to clip your toenails.
2. If you are in the window seat in Economy, do not take off your shoe and slip your bare foot between the bulkhead and the seat ahead of you. The passenger ahead of you does not need to look at your foot while they eat their meal.
3. If you are in the aisle seat, do not place your legs into the aisle while you are trying to sleep.
4. If you are seated in the window seat, place everything you might need during the flight in a small bag and tuck it between your seat and the bulkhead. There is no need to get up eleven times during a 10-hour flight to get something out of your carryon bag in the overhead bin.
5. Do not babble on and on about your hobbies and favorite movies if the person seated next to you has a book in their hands. Know your audience. Read the room. They are clutching it in a desperate attempt to get you to stop talking about macrame and Forrest Gump.
6. Do not snap your fingers at the flight attendant. Simply making eye contact and smiling or nodding your head will notify them that you want another drink.
7. Do not get intoxicated. No one likes a sloppy drunk in a confined space. Seriously. No. One.
8. Do not listen to Tik Tok or YouTube without headphones. You might be surprised at how many people do not find your video selection to be interesting.
9. If you are seated at the window, lower the window shade after takeoff--especially if other shades are already lowered.
10. Leave your Japanese Natto dish at home. Yes, you love to eat it and you do not mind the smell, but believe me, everyone around you is gagging at the nauseating odor.
11. You know the perfume/cologne you love to pour all over your body? Don't. See number 10.
12. When getting up, do not grab the seat ahead of you to get on your feet. Push yourself up from the armrests. The person sleeping ahead you will be grateful that you allowed them to continue to sleep.
Brilliant reply!As a retired international flight attendant of 31 years—thank you for saying what we tried to accomplish on every flight—decency, cooperation, courtesy!
Yes, chocolates were ALWAYS appreciated, but just a thank you was more than we often received. People always thanked the pilots, but remember this: in a crash, the pilots escape route is through cockpit windows. It’s the flight attendants who stay behind to get you off the plane!
Don’t expect the flight attendants to put your “way too heavy” bag in the overhead bins! It’s not their job. They need those arms and back to open the emergency doors, release the life rafts, perform CPR! I used to always lift the bags, but with upwards of 400 passengers per flight, I paid the price and, shortly after retirement, had ribs removed and muscles cut that were crushing the nerves in my arms. It’s one bag to you, but 400 every trip to us!
As to the window issue, here is the reasoning behind it: if you’re flying through the night and the sun rises early, we had you close the shades to allow you to sleep as long as possible. In the old days of the single movie screens, it also made movie viewing impossible. And sometimes the sun is so bright through your window that it’s blinding the person across the aisle. I like to see the view when I travel, too, but be aware of others.
One thing you might not know: during take off and landing, make sure your shades are up: if you have an emergency, you’ll want to know if there’s fire near your exit or if there’s water ( you can’t open certain exits in water) or another danger on your side of the plane. We know when to open or leave that exit closed, but an excited passenger might not, and it’s too late if there’s fire or water. Cabin lights are turned low for takeoff or landing in the evening because we want your eyes adjusted to the dark in case an evacuation is necessary.
And keep your shoes on for takeoff and landing! Emergencies happen and it could make your exit through a debris field a lot more comfortable. Having shoes on in the lavatories is a good idea, too. That is not water on the floor and we don’t have mops to clean up after a slob!
The most important thing to know? In an evacuation LEAVE YOUR BAGS BEHIND! You will puncture the slide , cause a slow down of the evacuation while you struggle to get your bag, your bag could fly out of your hands and kill someone as the slide is very fast, and NOTHING in your bag is worth someone’s life. In the US, our planes are certified on being able to evacuate a plane in less than ninety seconds. Hard to do if some clown is worried about their bags. You see how boarding is congested; now see what happens in a crash! And if you watch any TV reporting of people evacuating, look how many take their luggage!
Sorry for all the “crash” talk, but once a flight attendant, always a flight attendant. Safety was our primary job, not food and beverages.
My guess is that it was a joke; a play on words on opening a window for some fresh "air", like one might do at home.Why?
I do not recommend opening the window on overseas flights.
I'm against opening the window on any flight!!
Why?
I took it that @Albertagirl was referring to the window shade, but couldn't resist taking advantage of the opportunity of reading her post literally and responding.My guess is that it was a joke; a play on words on opening a window for some fresh "air", like one might do at home.
I found both replies quite humorous...I got yours.I took it that @Albertagirl was referring to the window shade, but couldn't resist taking advantage of the opportunity of reading her post literally and responding.
Thanks for clarifying! The joke went over my head. Good one!I took it that @Albertagirl was referring to the window shade, but couldn't resist taking advantage of the opportunity of reading her post literally and responding.
My 2 eldest children used to do even better (When little, years ago!) They used to leave me in business class and disappear into first class!If you’re flying business class, book your hyperactive children in economy. The other passengers love to take care of your brood.
(This has happened!)
My father was a pilot (not commercial airline), but he always said to keep your seat belt fastened at all times, just loosen it a bit so you can sit comfortably and sleep. Having the belt fastened keeps you in your seat in case of turbulence.As a retired international flight attendant of 31 years—thank you for saying what we tried to accomplish on every flight—decency, cooperation, courtesy!
Yes, chocolates were ALWAYS appreciated, but just a thank you was more than we often received. People always thanked the pilots, but remember this: in a crash, the pilots escape route is through cockpit windows. It’s the flight attendants who stay behind to get you off the plane!
Don’t expect the flight attendants to put your “way too heavy” bag in the overhead bins! It’s not their job. They need those arms and back to open the emergency doors, release the life rafts, perform CPR! I used to always lift the bags, but with upwards of 400 passengers per flight, I paid the price and, shortly after retirement, had ribs removed and muscles cut that were crushing the nerves in my arms. It’s one bag to you, but 400 every trip to us!
As to the window issue, here is the reasoning behind it: if you’re flying through the night and the sun rises early, we had you close the shades to allow you to sleep as long as possible. In the old days of the single movie screens, it also made movie viewing impossible. And sometimes the sun is so bright through your window that it’s blinding the person across the aisle. I like to see the view when I travel, too, but be aware of others.
One thing you might not know: during take off and landing, make sure your shades are up: if you have an emergency, you’ll want to know if there’s fire near your exit or if there’s water ( you can’t open certain exits in water) or another danger on your side of the plane. We know when to open or leave that exit closed, but an excited passenger might not, and it’s too late if there’s fire or water. Cabin lights are turned low for takeoff or landing in the evening because we want your eyes adjusted to the dark in case an evacuation is necessary.
And keep your shoes on for takeoff and landing! Emergencies happen and it could make your exit through a debris field a lot more comfortable. Having shoes on in the lavatories is a good idea, too. That is not water on the floor and we don’t have mops to clean up after a slob!
The most important thing to know? In an evacuation LEAVE YOUR BAGS BEHIND! You will puncture the slide , cause a slow down of the evacuation while you struggle to get your bag, your bag could fly out of your hands and kill someone as the slide is very fast, and NOTHING in your bag is worth someone’s life. In the US, our planes are certified on being able to evacuate a plane in less than ninety seconds. Hard to do if some clown is worried about their bags. You see how boarding is congested; now see what happens in a crash! And if you watch any TV reporting of people evacuating, look how many take their luggage!
Sorry for all the “crash” talk, but once a flight attendant, always a flight attendant. Safety was our primary job, not food and beverages.
oh my goodness, I’ve had that too!.Also my father-in-law had to put up with a woman in the seat in front of him putting her long locks over the back of her seat and directly onto his tray table. Disgusting!
OmgMy ex-wife was a flight attendant. On a flight from Rome to London an Italian lady tried to give her baby over to the flight crew for the duration. Told that this was not their job she then asked if she could put the child in the overhead locker . . .
I thought my wife was joking until I saw the look on her face.
Don't forget about "Departures" and all those departing.The worst thing about flying is you get to the airport and everywhere it says 'Terminal' ........
Departure lounge …Don't forget about "Departures" and all those departing.
Aeroplanes are like jokes...they very often fly above peoples heads.
Sorry, that was meant to be a “Don't forget about "Departures" and all those departing.
Aeroplanes are like jokes...they very often fly above peoples heads.
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