Priscillian
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- Frances 1999, Aragones 2000, Desde Le Puy 2002, Portuguese 2009, hoping RDLP 2014
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of course; it's fundamental! The whole point of pilgrimage is that it's a journey to a holy place, and the places are made holy through the association with holy men and women. Remove that association and the pilgrimage becomes pointless. The whole point of Santiago is the association with Sant Iago. Remove Sant Iago from Santiago, and what are you left with?jeff001 said:Does it really make any difference whose remains are or are not buried at Santiago?
The most important thing here is the Goal, not the Way. Jacobean Pilgrims do not go on pilgrimage for the sake of the Way. Through the Way they do get to the Tomb of Saint James "the Great".
Their sacrifice and suffering while journeying to Compostela are living symbols. It consists in revealing their solidarity and compromise to the Good News of Jesus, which echoes from the Apostle's Tomb: "The time has come. The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!" (Mark 1,15).
Thus, the Way is just a means, a road the pilgrim walks along.
The Santiago Enigma by PILGRIMSPLAZA on March 21st, 2008, 6:00 pm onPeter Robins said:Remove Sant Iago from Santiago, and what are you left with?
Hi Falcon,falcon269 said:a ten minute talk with a fellow pilgrim
gyro said:... Your suggestion that the present veneration of St James stemmed, at least in part, from the Galician veneration of Priscillian is very interesting. It is certainly worth researching further....
Javier Martin said:As far as I know, Priscillian is buried in the place of Os Martores, very near of Valga, in the Camino Portugues.
He was born in Galicia, because in IV century Astorga was belonging to Galicia.
Buen Camino,
Javier Martin
Madrid, Spain.
Wow! Frankfurt too; that's big! Good luck, Tracy!Priscillian said:Next stop is the Frankfurt Bookfair, so wish me luck!
Priscillian said:... Os Martores, eh? I would love to know where you got this information from for obvious reasons. Please post or PM me....
Javier Martin said:Esta hipótesis que propone que los restos de la Tumba de Compostela no son los del Apóstol Santiago sino los de PRISCILIANO y dos de sus seguidores...
La hipótesis de Prisciliano en Compostela es totalmente gratuita, hoy demostrada inviable y falsa, pero que algunos autores les gusta recrear...
Las últimos empeños surgen impregnadas de nacionalismo galego convirtiendo a Prisciliano en prototipo del panteón celta y del espíritu más genuino del alma gallega...
This text has been written by Alberto Solana, spanish pilgrim...
Priscillian said:we have not been allowed to learn more than what the Catholic Encyclopedia outlines
Gareth Thomas said:Who is Solana, and is this a published author who gives full sources?
Javier Martin said:He is an spanish pilgrim who has studied many sources, books, and worked about during some time.
Bridget and Peter said:While I was at it I thought I'd get a translation (Babelfish again)for Javier's long quotation too. I know these translations are rather rough
sillydoll said:My favourite spiritual writer said it better
If I run to Saint James , that is his shrine in Compostella in Spain, or to Grimmental [a Saxon pilgrimage locale], if I go into a monastery, or seek God somewhere else, I will not find him. When the sectarian spirits preach that just as monastic life, invocation of the saints, the mass, and pilgrimages are nothing, and likewise baptism and the Lord’s supper are nothing, they miss the mark by far. For there is a big difference between that which God has ordained and established and that which human beings have set up. Indeed, you are to believe that God’s ordinances and what he has set up, revere them and hold them in great honor, as he said to Moses, too [Exod. 15:17].
sillydoll said:is interesting what Luther had to say about pilgrimage
Priscillian said:I myself have been twice to Lourdes and felt that power there too. I didn´t have to believe in the Immaculate Conception to do so.
Priscillian said:Heresy - hairesis - means choice. There are those of us who find no difficulty being Christians while not accepting main tenets such as the bodily incarnation, the Trinity, and so on.
Priscillian said:Perhaps now would be the time to close this thread?
.Now for the Pharisees, they say that some actions, but not all, are the work of Fate, and some of them are in our own power, and that they are liable to Fate, but are not caused by Fate. And for the Sadducees, they take away Fate, and say that there is no such thing, and that the events of human affairs are not at its disposal; but they suppose that all our actions are in our own power, so that we are ourselves the causes of what is good, and receive what is evil from our own folly
sillydoll said:Gareth, perhaps what we need - for those who are interested in religions - is a new Forum?
Priscillian said:I would like to have the opportunity to approach God in my own way and without intermediaries.
Gareth Thomas said:Incarnation is Christianity. That is the plot. 'Being Christian' yet not accepting 'main tenets'...?
sillydoll said:My tuppence worth
Gareth Thomas said:If it is of no interest, then so be it.
omar504 said:"Not you, not I, can learn the inmost secret:
The eternal Cypher proves too hard to break.
Behind God's Curtain voices babble of us
But when it parts, where then shall we two be?"
Omar Khayyam
ivar said:This way, we can get many different views on many different topics related to the camino. This might be related to "what shoes are the best to use", "tent or no tent" or "evidence or lack of evidence".
Priscillian said:You know something? This is kinda fun after all.
Priscillian said:I'd be more likely to be an Essene actually, though all that enforced celebacy doesn´t exactly appeal.
Priscillian said:This topic attracted almost 3000 viewers before I decided to close it last November. Now with the Spanish publication of Peregrinos de la Herejía I am looking into it in much more detail on my blog right now so do have a look. Your comments are very welcome (even you Gareth :wink: )
Well, thank you very much! I´m now in Moratinos with Reb, and looking after the place when she goes away for a few days. Why anyone would care about my opinion at all, I really don´t know. As a Catholic in a college in Rome, supposedly at the centre of things, it is a source of total astonishment to me that you (or anyone) would care about my opinion, so I thank you very much! (It is generally assumed in the Catholic church that if you have no position of political influence, then your opinion is totally valueless. So I do thank you for your invitation to express a comment. :? )
If I ever chose to, I might express a very devastating opinion of the Catholic church - as many others also trying to work within it might do - but these matters are best kept within the family and the family members can happily murder each other. :wink:
Outside of all that nonsense, however, I still regard all your Priscillian stuff as an even greater nonsense. A serious critical regard is something we should all encourage, and when anybody descends into nice easy versions of history we should pull them up sharpish!
Gareth
Priscillian said:.... When in Avila a few years ago, I was told by a priest there in answer to my very naive question about Priscillian, that no such person ever existed.....
Priscillian said:Consider the incarnation. Christians believe that God the Son became a real human being with a real human body. But this view was repulsive to some Gnostic Christians. While some believed that the divine Christ temporarily assumed a human body (perhaps from the time of the descent of the Holy Spirit), they did not think this state was permanent. And others denied that Jesus had a physical body at all. They believed that Jesus only appeared to be human. In reality, they claimed that he was a completely spiritual being. This was especially true after his resurrection, which Gnostics generally held to be a purely spiritual (and not physical) event.
laurie said:Do we have to suffer this controversy yet again? I suggest the perpetrator should start her own forum and leave this one alone. By the way, much of her contribution appears to be blatant and free publicity. Is that what this forum is for?
Laurie
Yesss... Tracy, I miss you and Gareth too! Please come to my sacred mountain in November!?Priscillian said:LOTS of water under this particular bridge. And on re-reading some great posts too. Pilgrims Plaza and Gareth...I miss you....
... an incurable curiosity. [But we all know what that did to the cat!]sillydoll said:What difference does it make...
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