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Oh, yes, it will...karma is always fair!GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people
Yes KateB, I am defensive most probably because of the bad conscience I still have about this pair of socks I mentioned. I may after all have to seek professional help about it.....Oh dear PANO you sound very defensive. I am simply passing on information - the fact that I am a 'mother' - which I obviously am - is neither here nor there. I am under no illusion that my son 'can do no wrong' - lol - he is walking the Camino... he is no coddled child.
He had his towel on his bunk - his friends concur with this - they went out and towel was gone.
Maybe another pilgrim had their towel stolen so they saw fit to take someone else's?
Hard evidence? Should one catch someone in the act?
Caught mePano? Those socks? Were they pink ones by any chance? I 'lost' my favourites and I really miss them!
I'm really happy that someone is getting some good wear out of them!Caught mebut as I wear them every day now, you wouldn't want them back really, would you
...... He had his towel on his bunk - his friends concur with this - they went out and towel was gone.
A thief crept into the hut of a zen master, hoping to steal some valuable possessions. The zen master, who was already awake, said: "welcome friend, you have come a long way, I am sorry I cannot be more hospitable as I do not have much, but here, please take this robe!" The thief, completely bewildered, crept out the way he had come with the small bundle in his hands. Sitting naked, the zen master looked up and sighed, "Poor man," he thought, "it's such a pity I could not give him this beautiful moon."
My son has had a t-shirt stolen and a microfibre towel. No he didn't lose them - they were taken from his bunk. The towel was taken today at his albergue in Burgos and the t-shirt a few days ago (and he loved that shirt).
It's petty and very sad that people feel they can steal others' belongings - especially when you are carrying everything you own on your back and don't have much to begin with.
GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people.
it can indeed, and it does involve T-shirts and towels --I worked as a hospitalera several times, my personal guess is that it is more likely that it was either a confusion (those towels all look pretty similar), he forgot things on a washing line, somebody packed it by accident, it fall under a bed or similar. Theft can happen, but in my experience it rarely involves t-shirts and towels, real thieves go for more valuable stuff like money and electronics. SY
Hi KateB,, talking about those that steal,,back in 2010 also at an Albergue in Burgos, while leaving early the next day,someone had there Boots taken, talk about low life,,,after that I started to keep my Boots by my bunk at night.My son has had a t-shirt stolen and a microfibre towel. No he didn't lose them - they were taken from his bunk. The towel was taken today at his albergue in Burgos and the t-shirt a few days ago (and he loved that shirt).
It's petty and very sad that people feel they can steal others' belongings - especially when you are carrying everything you own on your back and don't have much to begin with.
GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people.
My son has had a t-shirt stolen and a microfibre towel. No he didn't lose them - they were taken from his bunk. The towel was taken today at his albergue in Burgos and the t-shirt a few days ago (and he loved that shirt).
It's petty and very sad that people feel they can steal others' belongings - especially when you are carrying everything you own on your back and don't have much to begin with.
GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people.
Why did airport security take your poles?Still to this day wonder whether I forgot the socks off the line or they were mistakenly taken, after all they were a common brand. I used to have an external battery which would recharge my iphone. That I definitely left in a hostal room! I now have a Samsung with an cheap exchangeable battery with it's charger, which is also a lighter solution. The only things I can categorically were taken were my poles by SDC airport security on leavingand a lot of the burdens in life.
ha ha.....love itI'm sorry, Kate, and sad to read this. I'm not naive about the occasional scumbag on the Camino--this is life, and they can be everywhere, even on the Camino. But still...
Oh, yes, it will...karma is always fair!
This is a relatively new addition to the many "possibly" dangerous items now excluded from carry ons.Why did airport security take your poles?
Like others have said, it might best to assume they were picked up accidentally by another pilgrim rather than stolen.
Sorry to hear this. Deciding what to leave on my bed to indicate that it was taken, was always a concern of mine. I felt that whatever I left there would be vulnerable. At the suggestion of a forum member, I had brought with me an old piece of tie-dyed knit fabric which I used as a towel - it also doubled as a screen - and this I would leave on my bed, still damp from my shower. Not very glamorous, but .......I put my sleeping-bag on my bed as usual with the liner inside. Later that evening when I returned, the liner had gone.
Thanks Jacki! xPattii, beautifully put. Thank you.
Jacki X
I'm sorry for your loss, @Pattii.It's always difficult when we lose something that belongs to us and if it is taken from us the loss is greater. But I have often wondered how we get so attached to 'things'. I know how it feels and I understand the concept but I still wonder about myself when I get sooo incredibly angry at an item being taken.
My brother died 2 months ago tomorrow. Very little of what he had was ever able to be retrieved. It was difficult not having some of the memento's we wanted as a reminder of his life. But the one thing we needed particularly was his birth certificate. My sister was on the hunt at the last place he stayed. As I said very little was left in the room he stayed in which didn't have a lock and the house was full of people in worse shape than he was. We prayed and went back the next day. She went into the house again and a very stoned man walked by and when she asked him about Shane's stuff she was directed to a box in the very filthy common kitchen. She was afraid to dig in it because of needles and such (he had a hard life) but she was careful and picked through it and for the most part it was just junk. But lo and behold at the bottom of the box was the birth certificate we needed so badly to be able to deal with his funeral. Identity theft is a huge thing here in Canada so this was a little miracle just when we needed it. And we NEEDED it.
Things are things. I know it can be difficult, as I said. I'm sure I have sworn out loud...didn't even bother to do it under my breath..when something of mine is taken and get upset and hurt. But then I realize there is nothing...not one thing...that cannot be found (by God) or replaced. Maybe I am just overly trusting or maybe its because I've lost so many things over the years to sticky fingers but I have found peace with it. If I needed it...not just wanted it...NEEDED it, I trust God would find a way to bring it back to me. It may sound silly but I really believe this. The things that matter have a way of finding their way home in the end. If my things aren't retrieved or given back and I stay angry or hurt about it, I have to wonder if my attachment to them was healthy in the first place. This is just the way that I THINK...I am not negating the disappointment of having something taken or the fact that it is very wrong to take something that does not belong to you. It just is what it is.
My words now when something is taken are "they must have needed it more than I did", and in my mind I just give it to them...even after the fact. It always makes me feel better. And yes sometimes I still miss those things...but I just repeat the process of giving it to the person who took it. Eventually I let it go and I always feel that I have grown. I have also found that the special items somehow get replaced...maybe not the exact thing but something that fills the void as it were.
Just my thoughts.
Indeed it is always a good idea to think like a thief and act as a Christian. LOL. I am very careful too...as much as humanly possible. And even thought I know I can trust God, its always a good idea to carry items of value on your body when visiting the loo etc. I tend to stuff things in my bra a lot i.e. money and definitely my lip gloss!! I would know if someone were searching there! LMAO! ( although boots and walking poles would look rather out of place ...I'm sorry for your loss, @Pattii.
I completely understand when you say that God "will find a way to bring it back to me" if something goes missing. My problem is that I depend on God to help me in an awful lot of areas and, rather than tax his patience (and risk overstaying my welcome) I try to help myself in those areas where I can. I operate on the belief that God helps those who help themselves. So I will make the effort, when I'm on Camino, to safeguard those very few necessary possessions I have with me, and depend on God to help me in those areas that are beyond my control.
How true...letting go is such a relief.My words now when something is taken are "they must have needed it more than I did", and in my mind I just give it to them...even after the fact. It always makes me feel better. And yes sometimes I still miss those things...but I just repeat the process of giving it to the person who took it. Eventually I let it go and I always feel that I have grown.
Yes I will continue to pray that you keep your boots! And yes it is difficult to not feel in control over our circumstances...which is why I really want to tent!This thread is leading me to reflect on a lesson that I think I am meant to learn on the camino: to trust in God that my needs will be fulfilled. I always want to have control, but to live in a common dormitory is to instantly lose control over some basic aspects of life. Perhaps the meaning is that I receive with gratitude what I am given, rather than clinging to what I think I will need. But I'd like to hang on to my boots, at least! I guess that, so long as we are alive, some things seem essential in every situation, until they are gone. But we are not able to hang on to even those whom we love. I still don't know where to go with that one, but I am very sorry Patti, for the loss of your brother.
And here us poor men have to make do with cargo pants!I tend to stuff things in my bra a lot
OK Lise, I may not be the brightest bulb in the room, but I'm sure you mean "third and fourth" pocketsPatti....i constantly use my bra for storing things. I call it my third pocket.☺
Great question, I left the lower part of my convertible pants at a small cafe before arriving in Burgos. Another pilgrim passed me along the way a little later and asked me if I knew I had left them behind. I would have loved for them to picked them up.So, now I wonder if someone has left something behind do you pick it up and hope you see them on the way or next albergue or do you leave it where it is? I have done both since I am usually one of the last to leave, on one occasion I knew whose flashlight/torch it was and I caught up with her at the next cafe and returned it , she was very happy as it was her birthday and a nice "gift" she said. On another occasion, I saw a towel left behind and at another spot(Albergue?) a lady was saying she had lost her towel , I told her I had seen one on a bed, and she said why didn't you pick it up? I would not want someone to think I had taken their things, and if you don't see that person again, do you leave it at the next albergue?
I'd say if you 're sure you know the owner an plan to see them later , take it--and if possible send them word that you're doing that. If not, give whatever it is to the hospitalero/a, telling them who it belongs to. If it's valuable or important they will likely return for it.I wonder if someone has left something behind do you pick it up and hope you see them on the way or next albergue or do you leave it where it is?
My son has had a t-shirt stolen and a microfibre towel. No he didn't lose them - they were taken from his bunk. The towel was taken today at his albergue in Burgos and the t-shirt a few days ago (and he loved that shirt).
It's petty and very sad that people feel they can steal others' belongings - especially when you are carrying everything you own on your back and don't have much to begin with.
GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people.
Christian Community means forgiving and loving sinners. If it were my son I'd murder them;-)My son has had a t-shirt stolen and a microfibre towel. No he didn't lose them - they were taken from his bunk. The towel was taken today at his albergue in Burgos and the t-shirt a few days ago (and he loved that shirt).
It's petty and very sad that people feel they can steal others' belongings - especially when you are carrying everything you own on your back and don't have much to begin with.
GRRRRR....this is a Catholic pilgrimage but I hope karma catches those ugly people.
wow...over a t-shirt and towel?Christian Community means forgiving and loving sinners. If it were my son I'd murder them;-)
Yes it does and I am also very sorry for your loss. I know how much of a loss it is. Sometimes I wish I had just lost a towel or a t-shirt. SighsCondolences on the loss of your brother, Pattii - I just returned from watching my brother die under similar circumstances and feel your pain.
It does put things into perspective...
It's always hard to lose something we HAVE to replace, but in my opinion, money is not a destination, it is a tool, and somehow God seems to supply my needs there too. On of our thread here was that Icasos didn't want to trouble God with the little things. It's just those things that He wants to help us with. I don't know how I could have come through my brothers death if I could not already completely trust God for the smallest things in my life. He earned my trust over and over and when the time came to let go of the most important thing, as hard as it was, I trusted Him that He knew best.Something I realized was how forgetful I was on the Camino. I forgot towels, my fleece, socks, walking sticks, & the best knife ever. In the end either I trudged back or figured they went to someone who really needed the stuff.
I personally witnessed a person in Leon snag IPhones so quick It took a moment to realize wht I witnessed. He got away. Regardless of what was stolen or lost, it did not keep me from what I consider a calling to walk. I simply replaced the items if needed. For the most part you learn the only things you need is water, food, money, 1 set of clothes, sleeping bag, & rain gear. So basically you could loose your entire back pack & still get by. Unfortunately that means money. Yet I wonder why fret over that you still have a brain to figure it out.
Keith
Ok I am truly impressed with 30L have you been asked if you are sending your stuff ahead? I have only met 1 person that had less. A young guy just showed up with no back pack, no clothes other than what was on his back & walked. He used garbage sacks for rainy days & people would share blankets & coats when he was cold. I wouldn't recommend the idea but it shows how much people care & how little you can get by with.Two things have made me reduce my pack size to a 30 litre frameless Osprey Tempest - the price of checking bags on flights, and the chance of them going missing either at the airport or from the luggage room under buses. I always used to make sure I sat on the side of the bus where I could see if anyone picked up my pack - by accident or on purpose - but my pack is so small now even Alsa bus drivers let me take it in. I trust my fellow man but I still tie up my camel
Sorry I have done 8 Camino's and I tend to believe it was taken...one needs to be careful I had a guy I thought I could trust go under my pillow and taken all my credentials, passport and 800 euros when I went to the bathroom..when he heard I was going to see the Hospitalero he fessed up and said he had tricked me to teach me a lesson. I dumped him and found out most were ignoring him so he was a bloody thief. choose your walking companions carefully.SYates - I hope you're right but he said both items were on his bunk. Maybe they did fall under it or it has been accidentally packed by someone else. I hope so as at this point in his pilgrimage (and all of you experienced pilgrims will maybe empathise) he is feeling overwhelmed and exhausted. I have said to him that those feelings will ebb and flow and I haven't even done The Camino - it just comes from life experience for me - but little things like having your belongings taken just add to the 'blisters'.
And thank you Arn, and everyone...for your heart and honesty!Thank you all for making the Forum truly FAMILY!
Thank you, Jan. It's sometimes good to remind ourselves that our worldly goods are for nought if we lose sleep worrying about them. I, too, lost a natty pair of cycling shorts which I had left on the line. After some thought, I decided they would probably have looked better on the person who had taken them than they did on me, lol. But I do sympathize with everybody who loses/misplaces things while on the Camino as we are generally carrying as little as possible in order to keep the weight down.A thief crept into the hut of a zen master, hoping to steal some valuable possessions. The zen master, who was already awake, said: "welcome friend, you have come a long way, I am sorry I cannot be more hospitable as I do not have much, but here, please take this robe!" The thief, completely bewildered, crept out the way he had come with the small bundle in his hands. Sitting naked, the zen master looked up and sighed, "Poor man," he thought, "it's such a pity I could not give him this beautiful moon."
I've had trouble with my single walking pole at airport security also. If you are carrying two poles I think you are definitely looking for trouble. They just stand out too much as weapons.Why did airport security take your poles?
It's always difficult when we lose something that belongs to us and if it is taken from us the loss is greater. But I have often wondered how we get so attached to 'things'. I know how it feels and I understand the concept but I still wonder about myself when I get sooo incredibly angry at an item being taken.
My brother died 2 months ago tomorrow. Very little of what he had was ever able to be retrieved. It was difficult not having some of the memento's we wanted as a reminder of his life. But the one thing we needed particularly was his birth certificate. My sister was on the hunt at the last place he stayed. As I said very little was left in the room he stayed, which didn't have a lock, and the house was full of people in worse shape than he was. We prayed and went back the next day. She went into the house again and a very stoned man walked by and when she asked him about Shane's stuff she was directed to a box in the very filthy common kitchen. She was afraid to dig in it because of needles and such (he had a hard life) but she was careful and picked through it and for the most part it was just junk. But lo and behold at the bottom of the box was the birth certificate we needed so badly to be able to deal with his funeral. Identity theft is a huge thing here in Canada so this was a little miracle just when we needed it. And we NEEDED it.
Things are things. I know it can be difficult, as I said. I'm sure I have sworn out loud...didn't even bother to do it under my breath..when something of mine is taken and I get upset and hurt. But then I realize there is nothing...not one thing...that cannot be found (by God) or replaced. Maybe I am just overly trusting or maybe its because I've lost so many things over the years to sticky fingers but I have found peace with it. If I needed it...not just wanted it...NEEDED it, I trust God would find a way to bring it back to me. It may sound silly but I really believe this. The things that matter have a way of finding their way home in the end. If my things aren't retrieved or given back and I stay angry or hurt about it, I have to wonder if my attachment to them was healthy in the first place. This is just the way that I THINK...I am not negating the disappointment of having something taken or the fact that it is very wrong to take something that does not belong to you. It just is what it is.
My words now when something is taken are "they must have needed it more than I did", and in my mind I just give it to them...even after the fact. It always makes me feel better. And yes sometimes I still miss those things...but I just repeat the process of giving it to the person who took it. Eventually I let it go and I always feel that I have grown. I have also found that the special items somehow get replaced...maybe not the exact thing but something that fills the void as it were.
Just my thoughts.
Condolences on the loss of your brother, Pattii - I just returned from watching my brother die under similar circumstances and feel your pain.
It does put things into perspective...
Oh its so good to hear about things being returned... It shows the true nature of someone when they will go out of their way to return your belongings to you. Im so glad we have had this balance in this thread about people returning things left behind... there have been a very few but those few make my heart glad.!Just came off the Camino April 26th. A friend and I were having lunch at an interesting bar...where the skull with candle wax all about is...had a good lunch and off we went. We were 8 min down the road when a staff member from the bar chased us down on her bike to give my friend the things he had left to dry on their heater. We met a lot of wonderful people along the Way and I hope someone can remember the name of this bar...they are terrific.
I'm sure if someone would make a poll on this matter (good vs.bad experience in general or at least taken/given) the result would be minimum 90% in favour of good/given!Oh its so good to hear about things being returned... It shows the true nature of someone when they will go out of their way to return your belongings to you. Im so glad we have had this balance in this thread about people returning things left behind... there have been a very few but those few make my heart glad.!
AL...you could walk into a dark room and blind folks with your radiance. Not easy to miss you my friend. You exude "friendly and personable" to all you meet.
one advantage of being a cyclops is that I csn turn over and no longer see their lights!My mistake then for cursing him on the last Camino. I thought he was just rummaging around in the dark with a headlamp.
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