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http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...-gestor-70-albergues/0003_201603G23P19992.htm
If this is true, there may be chaos around the corner.
Which comments, I didn't see any.The comments at the bottom of the page are interesting too.
With the 1.4M€ they are offering for 6 months worth I am convinced they will find someone to take over, even if badly.I think it is the timescale that is the alarming issue. The current company have resigned from 30 April - I can't see anything new being in place within five weeks. It may mean the albergues will be closed for a while. I couldn't afford to finish my Camino if I had to use private accommodation.
I think it is an important thread but when I first opened it I quickly realized it was in Spanish and I couldn't read it. I was getting ready to e-mail it to my brother who is fluent and have him translate it for me, but when I came back to this thread I saw where it has been translated. (than you Jirit)
I was told a couple of years ago that the kitchen equipment was removed from the Xunta Albergues because local businesses wanted to encourage pilgrims to use their restaurants etc and not to prepare their own food. We may be pilgrims rather than tourists but in many places we are treated like tourists by the money grabbers.Which comments, I didn't see any.
Think the next company who will run these albergues will includes pots pans, dishes and utensils for the fancy kitchens? Can't imagine this will hurt the bottom line. And while they are at it, create different sellos per albergue: credenciales are getting really boring once one enter Galicia.
I guess "economic reality" is starting to settle in.
By this I mean, unless the albergues on the camino are run by volunteers it is difficult for any organization (private or public) to operate all 70 albergues and financial break-even (let alone even make a profit) if the average bed rate is only 6 euro per night.
http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...e-red-oficial-gallega/0003_201603P24C1994.htm
It is important to also remember that the bed rate of 6 euro per night barely covers daily operational costs and probably not even maintenance, and periodic infrastructure expenditures must be covered by the local or state governments (i.e. the EU)
Not quite correct.What is most interesting is the new offer is actually lower than the current offer.
For a 26 week period the new offer is 1.14 million euro.
Under the current agreement the current operator gets 200,000 per month or 1.20 million euro
Under the provision of the regulation the offer and tender must be received four operators before it can be accepted
I wonder how successful the El Xacobeo will be in securing a replacement operator?
Not quite correct.
"Se trata de una suma muy alta como para concertarla por la vía negociada sin publicidad. De ahí que el Xacobeo se haya acogido extraordinariamente a la cláusula E del artículo 170 de la Lei de Contratos del Sector Público. Es una disposición que permite saltarse el procedimiento convencional «cuando una imperiosa urgencia, resultante de acontecimientos imprevisibles para el órgano de contratación y no imputables al mismo, demande una pronta ejecución del contrato que no pueda lograrse mediante» otras fórmulas. «Para garantir a concorrencia», no obstante, solicitará ofertas a «un mínimo» de cuatro operadores del sector."
First, this deal is for a maximum of 26 weeks. Also, because this is considered an emergency, the Xunta can use article 170 bla bla bla that allows it to skip the traditional process, but to guarantee a competitive process the Xunta has none the less decided to ask for at least 4 bids.
It doesn't have to ask for 4 bids, it has decided to.I guess I thought wrote this. The Xunta must ask and receive four competing bids as per article 170.
Yes the initial deal is only for 26 weeks ( 6 months ) and as an emergency deal, I thought it would be higher in order to secure an offer
(1.14 million euro vs (200 euro/month times 6 months or 26 weeks= 1.2 million))
I doubt many operators will jump at a deal that pays less and is only for the next 6 months.
I understand now ThanksIt doesn't have to ask for 4 bids, it has decided to.
As I recall, the nightly rate in private alburgues in Galicia in 2013 when I walked was 8 to 12 euros per night per bed. Even given the higher profit margin demanded by a private enterprise vs a government enterprise (even a contracted one), it's not hard to see how the Xunta-operated albergues barely get by. Looking at this from an admittedly American sense of capitalism, raising the nightly rate just to the low end of the average rate for a private albergue would generate €670,000 in additional revenue based on the stated clientele, and adding another €1 per night would boost it to more than 1 million euros. If anyone has more current rates that would make my equations more accurate, it would be interesting to see if my line of thought still makes sense.
Back in the "Dark Ages" when I first walked the CF, ie 2004, the Xunta albergues were free. ...
Hi,I don't quite understand why you find the commentary stinging. It does cost money to subsidize the camino infrastructure.
I happened to come across an article about the small community of Valdeviejas and their municipal albergue where it says that the local administration invested 12.000 EUR of their own funds for renovation work including installing a kitchen for pilgrims and that local administration could not build another albergue for the time being as they are no longer entitled to a subvention of 200.000 EUR previously granted under the EU LEADER program (note to moderators: delete my comment by all means if you consider it as "political stuff". I consider it as information and it does pilgrims who are using the infrastructure no harm to be made aware of it).
Hi,
Yes, I realize maintaining and sustaining Camino cost money. It is subsidized not just by Galacia government, but the other autonomous governments throughout Spain, and governments throughout EU as your above article points out. But, the comment I was referring to really does not address problems Camino is facing. The comment to me, just sings of the comments like "the pilgrims are responsible for the bed bug problem"!
I realize we are long past days of traditional Camino and changes must be made, more resources found, in a country that is still suffering from economic recession. I just hope El Camino does not become "lost" in transition.
In the USA the state of Utah promoted "the Mighty Five" - 5 National Parks, a couple of years ago. It was a huge success, BUT, it now it takes a couple of hours to even get into the parks because traffic is backed up for miles! Then it takes a couple of hours to find a parking space! All for (in a lot of visitors) a selfie in front of one on the arches of Arches National Park. Last year on Memorial Day, they had to close the park because traffic was backed up for miles, and they just could not handle the volume. Now they are promoting "The Mighty Road" - I guess it leads in opposite direction from The Big Five?!
Buen Camino,
Janice
Camino gossip seems to think this is a ploy to privitise to friends, after building and injecting capital. What do I know?Has anybody read or heard about the current status of the 69 albergues in Galicia ?
If I understand correctly the current operator was due to finish their contract at the end of April and the authorities did not have a replacement.
Rumor has it this is a ploy to have goverment funds used to build a valuable ressource (the albergues) and then sell it off to friends of the system for centimos on the Euro after it is announced that things are nit doing well. Time will tell I suppose.
I don't know what you would qualify as reliable source so I will stick to a number of hospies along the Camino.Can you provide a reliable source for this claim/rumour? SY
I don't know what you would qualify as reliable source so I will stick to a number of hospies along the Camino.
Did I say it was a rumour, or did I say it was a rumour? Because I don't recall including a refernce in my post as a footnote. Then again, many those actually living on the Camino and not just touristing on it and not speaking the language actually have a better sense of local politics and what is reported in the local news.
I think that this is the full address for one of two new albergues.The article says they will open three new albergues.
In Miño: but there already is Xunta albergue???
Don't think so because "full address" for X.deL. is Xinzo de Limia, Ourense.I think that this is the full address for one of two new albergues.
Xinzo de Limia, Miño and not the Miño on the Camino Inglés.
Clarification please......
Xinzo de Limia (town), Miño (municipality), Ourense (province) - according to Wikipedia, so it seems to be one place. I found the reference easily last night but have struggled to find the link today. If I do I will edit it in. I presume it is named for the river Miño.Don't think so because "full address" for X.deL. is Xinzo de Limia, Ourense.
Xinzo de Limia (town), Miño (municipality), Ourense (province) - according to Wikipedia, so it seems to be one place. I found the reference easily last night but have struggled to find the link today. If I do I will edit it in. I presume it is named for the river Miño.
I am somewhat worried...Do you know if Barça fans will still be accepted in Xunta albergues?The contract for the next two years has now been awarded :
http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notici...no-empresa-florentino/0003_201611G23P7991.htm
The albergues in this part of Galicia ie near to Pedrouzo/Santiago are still open. This report is surprising we have heard nothing on the local grapevine.
Xinzo de Limia (town), Miño (municipality), Ourense (province) - according to Wikipedia
Yep, @JabbaPapa , all that was already said.Xinzo de Limia, Miño and A Fonsagrada are three different places.
Xinzo de Limia is on the Via de la Plata and up from one branch of the Portuguese Way
Miño is near Ferrol up on the Inglès
A Fonsagrada is north-east of Lugo on the Primitivo
The article says that the concession will let them build up to 10 other new refugios over the two years
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