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Impressive! I tried to take my 24 L Talon on the CP.... everything fit... but it was too snug, so I still ended up with my side-access zipper Kyle 36, carrying only 24 L of stuff. Will be curious to know how you like it on the ground.This post is aimed at some of you gear hounds, like davebugg. I was curious about the new Osprey Pro 30L, and ordered it. It terms of utility as well as design and aesthetics, it is an impressive pack. In 2016 I carried a Gregory 40L and in 2018 a Gregory 36L, both fine packs. After packing the new Osprey Pro 30, I realized there was still plenty of room. So, out of curiosity I ordered the 20L version--everything I packed on the last Camino fit. Came in at 11 lbs. Here's a photo of the packed Osprey Pro 20L adjacent to a guitar to give you an idea of scale. If you would have told me five years ago that I would think a 20L is adequate, preferable actually, I would have said impossible. I imagine my contents are similar to most others with the exception of no sleeping bag.View attachment 97145View attachment 97147
I did my first camino with a 22L Deuter backpack. It was barely noticeable after a few days walking. I did have a "fanny pack"/"riñonera" which I had in front for easy grab items to save taking backpack off too often while walking. It worked a treat.This post is aimed at some of you gear hounds, like davebugg. I was curious about the new Osprey Pro 30L, and ordered it. It terms of utility as well as design and aesthetics, it is an impressive pack. In 2016 I carried a Gregory 40L and in 2018 a Gregory 36L, both fine packs. After packing the new Osprey Pro 30, I realized there was still plenty of room. So, out of curiosity I ordered the 20L version--everything I packed on the last Camino fit. Came in at 11 lbs. Here's a photo of the packed Osprey Pro 20L adjacent to a guitar to give you an idea of scale. If you would have told me five years ago that I would think a 20L is adequate, preferable actually, I would have said impossible. I imagine my contents are similar to most others with the exception of no sleeping bag.View attachment 97145View attachment 97147
I’d be interested in feedback as to the air-circulation between the sack and your back. I’ve tried several very light rucksacks - although not Osprey to be fair - which do not have a well structured internal frame - and always reverted to my trusty Osprey Kestrel 38.This post is aimed at some of you gear hounds, like davebugg. I was curious about the new Osprey Pro 30L, and ordered it. It terms of utility as well as design and aesthetics, it is an impressive pack. In 2016 I carried a Gregory 40L and in 2018 a Gregory 36L, both fine packs. After packing the new Osprey Pro 30, I realized there was still plenty of room. So, out of curiosity I ordered the 20L version--everything I packed on the last Camino fit. Came in at 11 lbs. Here's a photo of the packed Osprey Pro 20L adjacent to a guitar to give you an idea of scale. If you would have told me five years ago that I would think a 20L is adequate, preferable actually, I would have said impossible. I imagine my contents are similar to most others with the exception of no sleeping bag.View attachment 97145View attachment 97147
I love fanny packs and wear them in front...easy grab for my camera and anything else I need at my fingertips.I did my first camino with a 22L Deuter backpack. It was barely noticeable after a few days walking. I did have a "fanny pack"/"riñonera" which I had in front for easy grab items to save taking backpack off too often while walking. It worked a treat.
This post is aimed at some of you gear hounds, like davebugg. I was curious about the new Osprey Pro 30L, and ordered it. It terms of utility as well as design and aesthetics, it is an impressive pack. In 2016 I carried a Gregory 40L and in 2018 a Gregory 36L, both fine packs. After packing the new Osprey Pro 30, I realized there was still plenty of room. So, out of curiosity I ordered the 20L version--everything I packed on the last Camino fit. Came in at 11 lbs. Here's a photo of the packed Osprey Pro 20L adjacent to a guitar to give you an idea of scale. If you would have told me five years ago that I would think a 20L is adequate, preferable actually, I would have said impossible. I imagine my contents are similar to most others with the exception of no sleeping bag.
Funny, Davebugg, danglements have always been something I have worked to avoid. That everything fits inside and is accessible is mandatory for me as well. For me I think it goes back to the wilderness ethic of leaving no trace and everything in its place, although you will recall, as will diminishing numbers on this forum, that with external frame packs we typically had the sleeping bag lashed below with a sleeping pad strapped to the top. Regarding accessibility, note how deep that top zipper goes. I have also fashioned a small front (8x5x3in) pack from a hip pack, and it attaches with quick release to my shoulder straps. It holds passport, money/cards, iPhone, iPad, tissue and some blister treatment as well as a small water bottle. I pretty much never have to get into my pack during the day, except for a rain jacket which is inside right on top. There's something satisfying and aesthetically appealing to me to have the equipment side of the walk well-dialed in. All of which relates to my theory about a big trip/adventure. There are three basic parts: First, researching and preparation; Second, actually going on the trip/adventure; Third, talking about it for years afterwards. I am bit embarrassed to say that for me the First the Third are almost as enjoyable as the Second.The 'Pro' models within the Talon series are really decent backpacks. As Sara mentioned above, the first consideration for a backpack is 'Fit n Feel'; after that, it is all about durability and craftsmanship, ease of adjustability (fine tuning adjustments with the hip and shoulder harnesses on the fly), usability, and personal taste factors related to colors, loading (top or panel), and size and placement of pockets and do-dad holders.
My preference is that a backpack needs to hold everything inside the pack. . . I do not want to be forced to dangle shoes, underwear, sleeping gear, etc. due to lack of space, unless I choose to dangle stuff. And I want the bag large enough so that I am also not needing a shoe horn to compress everything as tight as I can. BUT, if I have the choice between a backpack that is exquisitely comfortable to wear and carry stuff with, but is forcing me to dangle some bits, versus a backpack that is spacious enough, but is fussy to carry and never lets me forget I am have a load on my back, I will choose to dangle bits and enjoy the comfort of the carry.
So if happiness is 20 liters of carrying capacity, and the Pro Talon fits and feels good, you have a winner. PLUS, it can be carried on a plane with no questions asked. . . well, I guess airport security will ask and demand to know how you got that guitar inside the pack, and then confiscate the guitar because guitar strings can be used to garrote the flight crew and hijack the plane to Cuba, but somehow overshoot that island and land in Haiti where the Haitian police will think you are nuts because Jamaica has better beaches and cute tropical umbrella drinks and is just over there to the left across the ocean a little bit . . .
I dunno, maybe the Talon Pro 20L is too much of a risk for international misunderstandings and diplomatic angst. At least Haiti doesn't have nuclear weapons.
You've got an excellent handle on things, BobFunny, Davebugg, danglements have always been something I have worked to avoid. That everything fits inside and is accessible is mandatory for me as well. For me I think it goes back to the wilderness ethic of leaving no trace and everything in its place, although you will recall, as will diminishing numbers on this forum, that with external frame packs we typically had the sleeping bag lashed below with a sleeping pad strapped to the top. Regarding accessibility, note how deep that top zipper goes. I have also fashioned a small front (8x5x3in) pack from a hip pack, and it attaches with quick release to my shoulder straps. It holds passport, money/cards, iPhone, iPad, tissue and some blister treatment as well as a small water bottle. I pretty much never have to get into my pack during the day, except for a rain jacket which is inside right on top. There's something satisfying and aesthetically appealing to me to have the equipment side of the walk well-dialed in. All of which relates to my theory about a big trip/adventure. There are three basic parts: First, researching and preparation; Second, actually going on the trip/adventure; Third, talking about it for years afterwards. I am bit embarrassed to say that for me the First the Third are almost as enjoyable as the Second.
For my taste, the mentioned pack is way to heavy for what it offers. Sorry if i burst a bubble. Size might be enough for a dialed in lightweight setup (and no, i don't see a need to fix a sleeping bag on the outside). It might be "sturdy", but imho that is a feature not needed for a camino.
Thats not to say, it might not work. But i do not see anything that makes it stand out.
edit: my first camino, i had my clothes in a 8L drybag. My sleeping bag in a 4L one. Both bags where not full, and if i would have had the need, could have been compressed to almost half of the stated volume. Add a 1L wash bag, a 1L electronics bag and my rain gear. 20l should have done the trick.
edit2: the (unfortunately discontinued) Montane Ultra Tour 22 did offer more or less the same features and volume at 545g. And claimed to have some water proofing (DWR). At half the price.
Absolutely. I went on a short pilgrimage (to Walsingham) and as we were staying in B&Bs, no sleeping bags, towels etc. Everything easily fitted in my small daypack (Tempest 20). It just wasn’t comfortable! I went back to my Exos 48 even though it was mostly empty.I took a very tiny backpack on the Via de la Plata during my winter walk in 2018.
I like being small when I don't need camping equipment on the Camino.
Ensure that the backpack you choose has comfortable shoulder straps (and a waist strap if necessary) to carry comfortably. Otherwise, it is better to use a heavier backpack if you'll feel better wearing it throughout the day. For example, I use a padded thick hipbelt when wilderness hiking because the thin webbing straps (on many super ultralight models) didn't distribute the load properly.
Hi Dave,Hi, Anhalter. Now that I read that you are comfortable with, and prefer a fastpack like the Montane Ultra Tour, I can understand why you would find a backpack like the Talon Pro model not to your liking.
For me, the Montane was uncomfortable and I did not care for it. I do envy those, like yourself, who find such fastpacks a good alternative because of the weight advantages; the Talon Pro is about 455 grams heavier. But I think, as such, ultralightweight and frameless fastpacks have an appeal and usability that is embraced most universally by a niche group of hikers and climbers. Because of such a disparity between the Montane and the Osprey - with these two backpacks - I do not see them as directly comparative as choices for everyone.
For comparisons to the Montane, my comparatives would be to other frameless offerings by different manufacturers. For the style and functions of the Pro Talon as a framed backpack, if one is not comfortable wearing or using a fastpack style frameless backpack to begin with, then I think I would be looking to compare choices between other framed, day/overnight volume backpacks.
BTW, the Talon Pro bag material has a high level of water resistance as well as a good DWR treatment, which, as you mentioned, is a Plus for a backpack..
This is definitely not meant as a criticism, but as an observation of how such variations in tolerances and needs and basic comfort levels really affect choices that I've made.
I'd simply add to that -- plus all of the inevitable trial and error of the actual hiking versus the prep.Second, actually going on the trip/adventure
i agree with you that the two backpacks are not made for the same kind of users. But as i tried to say, i don't think the use case of the Talon Pro is closer to the camino. A pilgrim that can get his stuff into a 20L pack likely won't have much need for a frame.
Talking of which, from the description on the website i am not sure if that back plate functions as a frame, or more like a piece that gives some support and padding (like on many of the gossamer gear packs).
Also in terms of DWR i dont find any info on the Talon Pro website. That might not mean its not there, but i hope you understand my confusion.
To make matters worse: are we talking of the same backpack? You do use the term fastpack, which for me is typically a "vest-style" pack, which the ultra tour 22 was not. I dont find an english article atm, but here is a german one with some pics of the pack i am talking about:
I used an Exos on my first Camino. Worked out fine, but then I encountered a couple of people who met the infamous chinches. Their stuff was all washed, dried, bagged, and sprayed etc. So I looked at my Exos to see if I could remove the frame to wash the pack if needed. That thing is strung tight like a guitar string. It might be possible, but Osprey recommended not to remove the frame.
I switched to a Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40. The frame and hip belt are removeable. The Gorilla does not breathe as well against my back as the Exos did. I also wish the Gorilla hip belt tightening was similar to the Exos. Rather than pulling the tensioning straps forward, the Gorilla straps pull backward. Seems subtle, but the Exos snugs up better. Similar to my Granite Gear packs.
I would like a 30 liter pack similar to the Gorilla, and may try out the Kumo 36.
Thanks. I did that. It is just the nature of the pack sitting against your back unlike the Exos trampoline.For either the Gorilla or the Kumo, you can swap out the standard sitpad that is used for the back pad with this more breathable version It made a big difference for me.
Thanks. I did that. It is just the nature of the pack sitting against your back unlike the Exos trampoline.
Five years, and I still use my Osprey Women's Kyte 30l. I may be wrong but I think women probably pack more items than men do. At least that's what I observed on the Camino and the Great Glen way in Scotland.Impressive! I tried to take my 24 L Talon on the CP.... everything fit... but it was too snug, so I still ended up with my side-access zipper Kyle 36, carrying only 24 L of stuff. Will be curious to know how you like it on the ground.
The irrepressible Dave Bugg, superb information and practical advice with a sense of humour.The 'Pro' models within the Talon series are really decent backpacks. As Sara mentioned above, the first consideration for a backpack is 'Fit n Feel'; after that, it is all about durability and craftsmanship, ease of adjustability (fine tuning adjustments with the hip and shoulder harnesses on the fly), usability, and personal taste factors related to colors, loading (top or panel), and size and placement of pockets and do-dad holders.
My preference is that a backpack needs to hold everything inside the pack. . . I do not want to be forced to dangle shoes, underwear, sleeping gear, etc. due to lack of space, unless I choose to dangle stuff. And I want the bag large enough so that I am also not needing a shoe horn to compress everything as tight as I can. BUT, if I have the choice between a backpack that is exquisitely comfortable to wear and carry stuff with, but is forcing me to dangle some bits, versus a backpack that is spacious enough, but is fussy to carry and never lets me forget I am have a load on my back, I will choose to dangle bits and enjoy the comfort of the carry.
So if happiness is 20 liters of carrying capacity, and the Pro Talon fits and feels good, you have a winner. PLUS, it can be carried on a plane with no questions asked. . . well, I guess airport security will ask and demand to know how you got that guitar inside the pack, and then confiscate the guitar because guitar strings can be used to garrote the flight crew and hijack the plane to Cuba, but somehow overshoot that island and land in Haiti where the Haitian police will think you are nuts because Jamaica has better beaches and cute tropical umbrella drinks and is just over there to the left across the ocean a little bit . . .
I dunno, maybe the Talon Pro 20L is too much of a risk for international misunderstandings and diplomatic angst. At least Haiti doesn't have nuclear weapons.
All joking aside, it sounds like you have a good backpack that will meet all your needs.
I wholeheartedly agree!The irrepressible Dave Bugg, superb information and practical advice with a sense of humour.
Now we're talkin'!Currently using the 18 litre Osprey daypack for my next camino. I am down to around 6 lbs,less than 3 kilos, exclusive of water and snacks. I try to distribute the water weight to my pockets or hips.
Care to share your packing list?Currently using the 18 litre Osprey daypack for my next camino. I am down to around 6 lbs,less than 3 kilos, exclusive of water and snacks. I try to distribute the water weight to my pockets or hips.
Backpack 22ozGiven that that pack itself weighs 700 gram I too would be extremely interested in the packing list.
Wow looks good for the summer. No soap/shampoo? Phone, camera not mentioned but then again not necessary. Will certainly take some tips from this.Backpack 22oz
1 silk bed sack 4oz
2very ultra lite patagonia LS shirts (4oz each) 8oz
2x base layer ultra lite pants 4oz= 8oz
2 underwear 3 oz
1wrist BP 5 oz
3 pair wicker sock liners 4oz (no extra socks)
Eye Glass protector 4oz
Waterproof Windbreaker 10oz
Slippers 7oz
Poncho 7oz
Toothbrush paste 4oz
Maps/instructions 3oz
First aide 4oz
Tourniquet 4oz
Meds 3oz
100oz = 6lbs 4oz
always wear 1 ultralite shirt, pants, hat (depending-on season), shoes, pair of wick tubesocks, underware/bra, silk gloves
Wow looks good for the summer. No soap/shampoo? Phone, camera not mentioned but then again not necessary. Will certainly take some tips from this.
Thank you so much for the prompt reply.
I did my first camino with a 22L Deuter backpack. It was barely noticeable after a few days walking. I did have a "fanny pack"/"riñonera" which I had in front for easy grab items to save taking backpack off too often while walking. It worked a treat
Love your reference to the Patagonia LS shirts. Of the several shirts I have worn on the Camino, my favorite LS shirt has been an ultra lite Patagonia running shirt. Quick-drying and airy with a comfortable feeling against the skin (I hate the clammy feel of many of the synthetic fabrics). I've been looking for a similar replacement on their website, but I'm resigned to getting to one of their stores so I can feel the fabric before I make a purchase.I do not bring soap or shampoo. We stay in enough private rooms to pick these up along the way. Also use them for washing clothes.
When I bring a mini IPad 10.5oz for pics/storage of tripinfo+internet, I put it in my 4oz, fanny pack, along with credentials, + CCs. The pouch is worn in front in order to distribute weight better. My sister brings an Iphone.
In cold or winter months, I have used an 8oz go-lite hiking backpack. Great arm shoulder padding, but nothing else. I add a sleeping bag of 24 oz but no silk sleepsack. (Even in private facilities, it can get very cold at night in the rooms) Then I shift the fanny pack around to the back. The backpack then sits on the fannypack, which, for me, then functions also like a hip support. In the winter, I eliminate the waterproof windbreaker in favor of a fleece jacket which is about 3 oz heavier. However, in Winter, I wear the fleece jacket while hiking almost everyday, so, in toto, in winter, I am only adding a couple of ounces.
Backpack 8oz
1 sleeping bag 24 oz
2 ultra lite patagonia LS shirts (4oz each) 8oz
2 base layer ultra lite pants 4oz= 8oz
2 underwear 3 oz
1wrist BP 5 oz
3 pair wicker sock liners 4oz (no extra socks)
Eye Glass protector 4oz
Light weight balaclava 4oz
Slippers 7oz
Poncho 7oz
Toothbrush paste 4oz
Maps/instructions 3oz
First aide 4oz
Tourniquet 4oz
Meds 3oz
3oz bottle of hydrogen peroxide (which I refill as needed)
103oz
A fleece jacket is added to my warmer weather clothing list as is a medium weight padagonia LS shirt. These are worn daily.
Omg! I will read and check what else i can cut i am not done and already 13lb with a superlight pack.Now we're talkin'!
I totally agree with what you are saying. My problem is always for the first week wearing my pack on the Camino the part of the shoulder strap that begins to wrap under the arm itches, not the top of my shoulder. I have no problem with that either as my hips carry most of the weight.I have used backpacks with very thin (not narrow, but unpadded) shoulder straps, and they were just as comfortable for me as more padded ones. Since most of the weight from my pack is carried on my hips, I don't really need padding on the straps.
I have used backpacks with very thin (not narrow, but unpadded) shoulder straps, and they were just as comfortable for me as more padded ones. Since most of the weight from my pack is carried on my hips, I don't really need padding on the straps.
This is my exact pack, too, in the women's specific version. Not too big, not too small. I know it's not the lightest pack around, but it still looks like new and serves me well. The extra side zipper is a nice feature.I carried an Osprey Sirrus 36. I like it because it is top loading, but has a side zipper so I can easily access things I stuff lower down in the pack whenever I need to. Mostly I like it because it is incredibly comfortable and durable. Could I get away with a smaller pack? Yes, but not if I find some amazing wines in the Bierzo region and decide I need to pick up a couple of bottles to carry for the next etapa.
which deuter pack? they are my favorite- used a 28L deuter trail and loved it but want to go smaller and lighter next time.I did my first camino with a 22L Deuter backpack. It was barely noticeable after a few days walking. I did have a "fanny pack"/"riñonera" which I had in front for easy grab items to save taking backpack off too often while walking. It worked a treat.
It's a Deuter Airlite 22L. I probably should have gone for the 28L version, but I chose the 22L to force me to carry less, which worked. Mind you, I bought a belly pouch in SJPP to hold "easy to grab" items and water bottle, which saved me having to reach behind. I used a carabiner clip to clip the loop of the belly pouch to the backpack chest strap to stop the pouch from going too low. It worked a treat for me, even though I must have looked a bit like a Hobbit with jacket and food bag hanging outside the backpack.which deuter pack? they are my favorite- used a 28L deuter trail and loved it but want to go smaller and lighter next time.
I’ve used a talon 33 on every Camino but can see as my packing list gets smaller the pack is getting too big. My walking pal used the pack you have there and he was fine. On my next Camino I’ll be going with a smaller pack. After a few caminos you just realise you don’t really need a lot with you on the trailThis post is aimed at some of you gear hounds, like davebugg. I was curious about the new Osprey Pro 30L, and ordered it. It terms of utility as well as design and aesthetics, it is an impressive pack. In 2016 I carried a Gregory 40L and in 2018 a Gregory 36L, both fine packs. After packing the new Osprey Pro 30, I realized there was still plenty of room. So, out of curiosity I ordered the 20L version--everything I packed on the last Camino fit. Came in at 11 lbs. Here's a photo of the packed Osprey Pro 20L adjacent to a guitar to give you an idea of scale. If you would have told me five years ago that I would think a 20L is adequate, preferable actually, I would have said impossible. I imagine my contents are similar to most others with the exception of no sleeping bag.View attachment 97145View attachment 97147
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