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Amen to that. Not only is that movie fiction, the Frances is not what it was at the time the movie was filmed (in great part because of that movie and other works of fiction like it in other countries/languages). That ship has sailed.I think you need to let go of 'that film', first off. It is just a work of fiction.
I personally would not walk the Camino Frances in peak season, but I was lucky enough to experience it 10 years ago, before 'that film', and smartphones, and Trip Advisor, in an idyllic sunny October, so my opinion is completely biased by that.
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Well stated, thank you.Hi Erin
I think you need to let go of 'that film', first off. It is just a work of fiction. You don't have to start in St Jean like everyone else does, if that causes stress. The Pyrenees are not going anywhere, you can always go back and see them later.
I personally would not walk the Camino Frances in peak season, but I was lucky enough to experience it 10 years ago, before 'that film', and smartphones, and Trip Advisor, in an idyllic sunny October, so my opinion is completely biased by that. I do other routes now because I dislike feeling like a sheep in a flock, I don't need much infrastructure because I have done wilderness hiking in other countries and travelled alone a lot before I did any camino, so I don't get freaked by uncertainty, mild peril or bedbugs, and I speak passable Spanish. So that makes it very easy for me to say 'walk another route'. But I don't know about your life and experiences. Maybe it's your first time in Europe, or away from home? How fit are you? Have you ever travelled on your own before? If you give us a bit more background, we can come up with some more detailed suggestions.
Hi Nate,While I have found a lot of great advice on this forum, I have found that being here on the Camino today that some is out-dated. The Camino that I am on right now is unlike what I have expected. This is not a negative response but a realistic one.
Nate.
It could be something to do with the fact that in 8 days you've walked through 4 of the busiest places. St Jean, Roncesvalles, Pamplona and Logroño (all great places).Hi Erin,
I am currently on the Frances route, in Navarette tonight (started a week ago from SJPDP). So far the Camino has been crowded and twice I have had to catch a cab to the next town. Only twice in 8 nights have I been able to walk into an Albergue without a reservation before 2pm.
If you like to get up early (before 7am) and get to your destination by 1pm this shouldnt be an issue from what I have seen this past week. Getting in around 3-5pm will be an issue if you havent booked.
While I have found a lot of great advice on this forum, I have found that being here on the Camino today that some is out-dated. The Camino that I am on right now is unlike what I have expected. This is not a negative response but a realistic one. Despite a couple of rough nights, I have had a lot of laughs and have enjoyed meeting so many people in Spain and from around the world. I do not regret my decision to be on this trail now, and find that every hurdle can be overcome with some resilience and determination.
Buen Camino and Enjoy the ride!!! Dont be scared and just do it<3
Nate.
Hi Erin
I think you need to let go of 'that film', first off. It is just a work of fiction. You don't have to start in St Jean like everyone else does, if that causes stress. The Pyrenees are not going anywhere, you can always go back and see them later.
I personally would not walk the Camino Frances in peak season, but I was lucky enough to experience it 10 years ago, before 'that film', and smartphones, and Trip Advisor, in an idyllic sunny October, so my opinion is completely biased by that. I do other routes now because I dislike feeling like a sheep in a flock, I don't need much infrastructure because I have done wilderness hiking in other countries and travelled alone a lot before I did any camino, so I don't get freaked by uncertainty, mild peril or bedbugs, and I speak passable Spanish. So that makes it very easy for me to say 'walk another route'. But I don't know about your life and experiences. Maybe it's your first time in Europe, or away from home? How fit are you? Have you ever travelled on your own before? If you give us a bit more background, we can come up with some more detailed suggestions.
Just roll with it. Start out the way you planned, and give yourself some time to get into the flow of pilgrim life. If you find it too noisy or hectic, get to a larger town or city and re-evaluate from there, where you can catch a bus or train to re-commence on a different, quieter path. Lots of people have done it that way... my dismay with the Easter holiday crowds in 2009 led me to abandon the Frances in Ponferrada. And thus I discovered the Camino de Invierno, a revelation of quiet solitude!
Personally I think you get a lot more from doing the less popular caminos like the Sanabres or the Mozarabe but you do need some Spanish and there are far fewer peregrinos.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
What one gets out of a Camino is entirely subjective. I don't think that anyone can tell another person which will be the better experience for them.Personally I think you get a lot more from doing the less popular caminos like the Sanabres or the Mozarabe but you do need some Spanish and there are far fewer peregrinos.
@monkiguyHi Erin,
I am currently on the Frances route, in Navarette tonight (started a week ago from SJPDP). So far the Camino has been crowded and twice I have had to catch a cab to the next town. Only twice in 8 nights have I been able to walk into an Albergue without a reservation before 2pm.
If you like to get up early (before 7am) and get to your destination by 1pm this shouldnt be an issue from what I have seen this past week. Getting in around 3-5pm will be an issue if you havent booked.
While I have found a lot of great advice on this forum, I have found that being here on the Camino today that some is out-dated. The Camino that I am on right now is unlike what I have expected. This is not a negative response but a realistic one. Despite a couple of rough nights, I have had a lot of laughs and have enjoyed meeting so many people in Spain and from around the world. I do not regret my decision to be on this trail now, and find that every hurdle can be overcome with some resilience and determination.
Buen Camino and Enjoy the ride!!! Dont be scared and just do it<3
Nate.
Very interesting and well argued.There is an article gone up on Gronze.com yesterday about the overcrowding and commercialisation ruining the camino:
https://www.gronze.com/articulos/peregrino-insumiso-13506
I think you need to let go of 'that film', first off. It is just a work of fiction.
Interesting reading @monkiguy 's posts over the last week. There is an article gone up on Gronze.com yesterday about the overcrowding and commercialisation ruining the camino:
https://www.gronze.com/articulos/peregrino-insumiso-13506
Google translate does a not bad job on it [nb tail and queue are the same word in Spanish]
Thanks, yes you are right. I was sounding a bit "peregrinopompous".What one gets out of a Camino is entirely subjective. I don't think that anyone can tell another person which will be the better experience for them.
Tim which route are you on?@monkiguy
Good to hear that things are settling - hopefully. You sound pretty resilient and resourceful. And interesting that you find it different from what you expected. It's really hard to advise other people or maybe I mean it's hard to learn from others' advice. No two people have *quite* the same questions. And things seem to be changing every year.
But if you are willing, as you say, to adapt as you travel, (which is NOT easy for some people) you'll be fine.
Continue to enjoy!
I'm on Day 4 out of Madrid. I haven't met another pilgrim yet. I'm in an albergue alone with 31 empty beds. Shhhh. Don't tell anyone.I'm loving it though probably not ideal for a first experience. Tim
Emilio Estevez shoved a mate of mine out of the way to get served in a bar years ago, so no, probably not.But you're still going to watch it 'sometime' aren't you?
Emilio Estevez shoved a mate of mine out of the way to get served in a bar years ago, so no, probably not.
Hi Erin..myself and a friend begin our Camino on may 31 the day before you..so I guess we may bump into each other on the way..anyway have fun and look forward to maybe chatting with you...burn Camino.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
no pun intended?Emilio Estevez shoved a mate of mine out of the way to get served in a bar years ago, so no, probably not.
Doug, I'm walking the Camino Madrid. I arrived Segovia 20mins ago on Day 5. Still to meet another pilgrim! You can find my account on CM forum here. TimThanks, yes you are right. I was sounding a bit "peregrinopompous".
Tim which route are you on?
If you like to get up early (before 7am) and get to your destination by 1pm this shouldnt be an issue from what I have seen this past week. Getting in around 3-5pm will be an issue if you havent booked.
It could be something to do with the fact that in 8 days you've walked through 4 of the busiest places. St Jean, Roncesvalles, Pamplona and Logroño (all great places).
Interesting reading @monkiguy 's posts over the last week. There is an article gone up on Gronze.com yesterday about the overcrowding and commercialisation ruining the camino:
https://www.gronze.com/articulos/peregrino-insumiso-13506
Google translate does a not bad job on it [nb tail and queue are the same word in Spanish]
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than[ normal ...
Hi Erin
I think you need to let go of 'that film', first off. It is just a work of fiction. You don't have to start in St Jean like everyone else does, if that causes stress. The Pyrenees are not going anywhere, you can always go back and see them later.
I personally would not walk the Camino Frances in peak season, but I was lucky enough to experience it 10 years ago, before 'that film', and smartphones, and Trip Advisor, in an idyllic sunny October, so my opinion is completely biased by that. I do other routes now because I dislike feeling like a sheep in a flock, I don't need much infrastructure because I have done wilderness hiking in other countries and travelled alone a lot before I did any camino, so I don't get freaked by uncertainty, mild peril or bedbugs, and I speak passable Spanish. So that makes it very easy for me to say 'walk another route'. But I don't know about your life and experiences. Maybe it's your first time in Europe, or away from home? How fit are you? Have you ever travelled on your own before? If you give us a bit more background, we can come up with some more detailed suggestions.
Why thanks! To what did you attach the GoPro, if you don't mind my asking?A wise sage you are !!! ;-) We did the Camino, fall 2016, with only a watch and a GoPro, nothing else.
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Seriously?! I would love to hear some of your stories! Not even an extra pair of socks?!We did the Camino, fall 2016, with only a watch and a GoPro, nothing else.
Nothing extra at all, we would sneak out at night and go down to a stream and wash our clothes when everyone was sleeping and that way we could bath at the same time. You should try it.Seriously?! I would love to hear some of your stories! Not even an extra pair of socks?!
Attached to nothing, hand held and took thousands of photos and dozens of videos, not of myself, but of the countryside, towns and others. This year I will be using a DSLR so I can use a telephoto lens. GoPro does not allow one to do this, albeit it does do panoramic shots.Why thanks! To what did you attach the GoPro, if you don't mind my asking?
Erin, hi from the outermost ends of the world.
Your concerns now were mine a little over a year ago. I was to travel around the world, did not speak the local languages, had done a heap of training. And feared it would all turn to custard quite quickly.
But all that began to evaporate during the trek up from S Jean and was gone by breakfast the next day. My training was paying off and I had spoken with several Kiwis and met quite a few other people.
And so it continued. I am an extreme introvert and I greatly enjoyed my experience.
I start at day break, being conditioned by my training, as it gave me options on how to spend the rest of the day. Such as stopping to chat with others or take in the scenery, a building or other feature on the way. And I loved the serendipity of how each day turned out.
Before I left a very wise neighbour said I was undertaking a grand adventure. And that is just how it happened.
While you have three weeks to go you may want to consider your stamina and fitness. One aspect is to achieve, say, 600 metres (2,000 feet) of elevation before you stop for breakfast, with all your gear on your back.
I look forward to hearing how it was for you.
Ki haha (be strong, be brave, get going)
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Hello again, getting very close hey?
We will
No doubt meet along the way even at Bayonne. We are two Australian ladies one mean and lean the other round and cuddly.
My friend is questioning like you, me !!
Stick to the plan, all will be well.
Have you got that wise pilgrim app on your phone- awesome , surprised the albergues look better than I thought!!
Like many responses I think if when we hit the ground in Bayonne barittiz we might get a feel if we should book them.
See you very soon ......
Buen Camino
What language is this Hawaiian?
I know it's getting close! And I am not as ready as I want to be! My grandfather has been in the hospital on life support, so I've been taking care of the rest of the family while my parents are out dealing with that.
What part of Australia are you from? I used to live outside of Sydney. I evendors have my NSW school certificate - and started my HSC's. I loved my time over there.
As far as reservations, I have booked a hotel in Bayonne, and then booked Orrison, and Roncenvalles as I will be pretty slow those first days I am sure. I am debating about booking Zubiri - but that will hopefully be the last night I have to book. Frankly, I wish there was a Alburgue about 5 km before Zubiri but I haven't found anything.
Don't read anymore articles.. or posts. Just go and enjoy.. you will always find a bed. I did it in the holy year.. in June .. always found a bed . Some people like to get an early start to enjoy the mornings not just to rush for a bed.. EnjoySo it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
I start off from SJPP on 5/26, and for peace of mind, this is what I have done...booked through Zubiri. First Camino, so excited!!! The rest will fall in place.Everything will be fine. There is no harm in booking Roncesvalles and even Zubiri to ease your mind and once you arrive in Pamplona, the crowd (if there is one) won't be as big. Enjoy your time on the Camino and try not to let some negative comments here get you down.
I think you have answered your own question. In my opionon if you want to move your travel time and you can do that without any financial or other issues do it. God is going to be right there with you whenever you go. You won't miss what he has for you whether the Camino is busy or quiet.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Honestly, we began the CF starting the second week of September last year, thinking the worst of the summer heat would be over. Wrong! We ended up walking in the dark to take advantage of the cooler temps. And you just can't beat those sunrises!Don't read anymore articles.. or posts. Just go and enjoy.. you will always find a bed. I did it in the holy year.. in June .. always found a bed . Some people like to get an early start to enjoy the mornings not just to rush for a bed.. Enjoy
Sonhador, I have heard these same things. I walked France route in May- June 2015 and it did not get crowded until Saria (where many people start so they can get their compostela certificate). I do believe you will not have a problem finding accommodations if you pick places just before or after major cities and/or destinations recommended in Byerly's book. Many people use his book and try to keep to that schedule. I found if I stopped just before his recommended city I was fine. You will get into a rhythm and way of walking that will suit you. Leave American ways behind and just walk. There will always be a place for you.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
...When I walked in 2015 there were a few days that albergues were full so I either stopped walking earlier in the day or walked on to the next town where I did find a bed. I really enjoyed talking with all of the other pilgrims and hearing their stories and sharing a meal. I liked the energy and the camaraderie.....
Having just walked the vdlp from Seville, I absolutely agree with Terry that starting it from Salamanca (the halfway point, so you'll still walk a good 500km) is a great option - beautiful scenery, not overly crowded and I am sure at this time of year (I met almost no one doing it in March and April) you will see enough people for company should you wish for it, but it is quiet enough to have your own space too. Buen camino!Don't rule out trying something like the camino de Madrid, or the via de la plata. The VDLP starting in say Salamanca is very quiet and something like the the Frances was in the past. There are also "camino families" formed on the VDLP. Check out the blog section here for some ideas.
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
The Camino Frances, this year, is at a 30%+ increase in Pilgrims trekking the Camino above last year's record number of Pilgrims. Roncevalles is also decreasing the number of beds available for a reason unknown to me but relayed to my by someone I know who is on the Camino Frances right now. I just know that our party of four, have already booked at Orisson and Roncevalles. If need be we will book ahead of where ever we are on the Camino this year if the need arises. Better safe than sorry, considering the increase in Pilgrims.In my humble the camino francis the best and as a vetern of 23 caminos the camino i keep going back to. 10 times sjpdep to roncesvalles. Never had a bed problem and i never book ahead. Buen camino
Hello, I haven't read other people's replies but I'm currently on the Camino just out of Pamplona. The problem with forums is that they create unnecessary anxiety. From reading this forum I was dreading the climb to Roncenvalles but honestly at 63 years of age it was fine. 8 hours of pure fun despite the rain and strong wind. I left St Jean at 6:30 am and arrived at Roncens at 1:30 pm taking in all the sights and lots of small breaks. So, that was an unnecessary anxiety. When I reached Roncens. They turned some people away. But honestly the next village isn't that far and the walk there is fantastic. I kicked myself because had I known I would have happily have walked the extra 20 minutes. Why staying at Roncens is such s big deal beats me. An elderly couple who arrived late missed a bed and the volunteers there offered them transport to the next village. They declined and walked instead. I saw them the following morning having breakfast and they said it was a blessing that they'd been turned away. I agreed. Roncens is like a cattle processing hostel. Walk on would be my advice!So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Hello, I haven't read other people's replies but I'm currently on the Camino just out of Pamplona. The problem with forums is that they create unnecessary anxiety. From reading this forum I was dreading the climb to Roncenvalles but honestly at 63 years of age it was fine. 8 hours of pure fun despite the rain and strong wind. I left St Jean at 6:30 am and arrived at Roncens at 1:30 pm taking in all the sights and lots of small breaks. So, that was an unnecessary anxiety. When I reached Roncens. They turned some people away. But honestly the next village isn't that far and the walk there is fantastic. I kicked myself because had I known I would have happily have walked the extra 20 minutes. Why staying at Roncens is such s big deal beats me. An elderly couple who arrived late missed a bed and the volunteers there offered them transport to the next village. They declined and walked instead. I saw them the following morning having breakfast and they said it was a blessing that they'd been turned away. I agreed. Roncens is like a cattle processing hostel. Walk on would be my advice!
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
I am curious to where you are from because we are from Florida, which is extremely flat. So finding a challenging course to train on is none existent unless we travel hundreds of miles.
It's Maori or Te RioWhat language is this Hawaiian?
No stadiums anywhere close by either only a treadmill at the Y that has a 31% setting on it and a stairmaster,Stadium steps...GO GATORS!
Hi AlwynErin, hi from the outermost ends of the world.
Your concerns now were mine a little over a year ago. I was to travel around the world, did not speak the local languages, had done a heap of training. And feared it would all turn to custard quite quickly.
But all that began to evaporate during the trek up from S Jean and was gone by breakfast the next day. My training was paying off and I had spoken with several Kiwis and met quite a few other people.
And so it continued. I am an extreme introvert and I greatly enjoyed my experience.
I start at day break, being conditioned by my training, as it gave me options on how to spend the rest of the day. Such as stopping to chat with others or take in the scenery, a building or other feature on the way. And I loved the serendipity of how each day turned out.
Before I left a very wise neighbour said I was undertaking a grand adventure. And that is just how it happened.
While you have three weeks to go you may want to consider your stamina and fitness. One aspect is to achieve, say, 600 metres (2,000 feet) of elevation before you stop for breakfast, with all your gear on your back.
I look forward to hearing how it was for you.
Ki haha (be strong, be brave, get going)
I know it's getting close! And I am not as ready as I want to be! My grandfather has been in the hospital on life support, so I've been taking care of the rest of the family while my parents are out dealing with that.
What part of Australia are you from? I used to live outside of Sydney. I evendors have my NSW school certificate - and started my HSC's. I loved my time over there.
As far as reservations, I have booked a hotel in Bayonne, and then booked Orrison, and Roncenvalles as I will be pretty slow those first days I am sure. I am debating about booking Zubiri - but that will hopefully be the last night I have to book. Frankly, I wish there was a Alburgue about 5 km before Zubiri but I haven't found anything.
What language is this Hawaiian?
Absolutely. Just do it. Deal with any inconveniences as they arise and getting out of your comfort zone might be educational.I found a lot of what I read here on the forum to be quite exaggerated compared to what I actually experienced on the Camino.
Larrasoaña is after Zubiri.There are a couple of albergues in Larrasoana 5 kms before Zubri the Albergue Concejo de Larrasoana is certainly nothing flash and when I was there I ended up across the road in the 'overflow' accommodation…it was a bed…if you go on Google Maps and zoom in to Larrasoana you will see there are other choices as I don't know what you are looking for budget wise.
No stadiums anywhere close by either only a treadmill at the Y that has a 31% setting on it and a stairmaster,
Still having trouble getting a bed?Hi Erin,
I am currently on the Frances route, in Navarette tonight (started a week ago from SJPDP). So far the Camino has been crowded and twice I have had to catch a cab to the next town. Only twice in 8 nights have I been able to walk into an Albergue without a reservation before 2pm.
If you like to get up early (before 7am) and get to your destination by 1pm this shouldnt be an issue from what I have seen this past week. Getting in around 3-5pm will be an issue if you havent booked.
While I have found a lot of great advice on this forum, I have found that being here on the Camino today that some is out-dated. The Camino that I am on right now is unlike what I have expected. This is not a negative response but a realistic one. Despite a couple of rough nights, I have had a lot of laughs and have enjoyed meeting so many people in Spain and from around the world. I do not regret my decision to be on this trail now, and find that every hurdle can be overcome with some resilience and determination.
Buen Camino and Enjoy the ride!!! Dont be scared and just do it<3
Nate.
3 years ago today I was in Najera with a new found German friend. I know because facebook sent me a memory. I am walking the Portugues in September. Bom caminho.Hi
I have been following this forum for 4 years, leading up to my Camino. I have read books, seen movies and spoken to people in preparation for adventure, fully aware that my own adventure would be unique.
I have to say that after my research, including the advice from my new German-pilgrim friend sitting next to me right now here in Nájera - the Camino today? It is certainly very different and busier than expected.
I am enjoying every minute nowwouldn't replace these new feelings for anything in the world!!
I have walked the Camino Francis the last 3 years and return in 2 weeks to walk it again. Yes some days you see more people but every day after you establish a pace you may be walking alone if you choose. There has only been one time I did not find a room and that was on the first Camino. I had walked farther than planned with a young Spanish woman and she called a cab that took us to a bed in Los arcos. It was easy to get a taxi the next day back and resume walking. However that Spanish woman has become a best friend and she will pick me up from the train station in Pamplona May 29. My point is the Camino is magic and even a lack of a bed may be a very good thing so go and enjoy whatever happens. The people are my favorite part of the Camino. From Sharon wife of the member.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino?
Buen Camino,
Erin
Bellari is awesome and takes reservationsErin and everyone that responded to your post.
I am from Texas. I have been touring India by myself for the past 2.5 weeks and I leaving for Barcelona, Spain, tonight to start El Camino Frances in 3 days. I planned all along to do the Frances starting in SJPdP. I had/have similar concerns as you so after talking to someone I met here, I was considering Camino Del Norte.
But after reading your post today and thanks to all the responses, I am sticking to my original plan.
If anyone has a suggestion on staying in SJPdP.
Buen Camino
Leo
Don't add to the state of panic. If you aren't happy with the route you are on, get on a bus and go somewhere else! You have some good recent experience, so go with full confidence and minimal expectations. (Let go of the 6 years of envisioning!)there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years. So, do I change routes?
I finished CF early May 2017. It was crowded Easter Week and from Saria to Santiago. I didnt mind the crowds Easter week, as I met lots of nice people, but the Saria crowds were not enjoyable, they were noisy, caotic, touristy and in general not as peaceful as the other 300 miles I walked.So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
So it's my first camino starting June 1 from SJPdP, and I have until July 11. Should be plenty of time, and I'm planning on Finesterre/Muxia as well.
I, like many Americans, first saw The Way with Martin Sheen and decided that the Camino was something I wanted to do (I will admit it took almost a year after seeing the film for me to google to see that the Camino was real thing) I am attracted to the Frances in part because it is well established, has good services and passes through several cities I would like to see, most notably Burgos. Unfortunately, it appears that everyone else is having the same thoughts as well.
I am a little concerned seeing the notes that the Frances as a whole is already much busier than normal, with a large number of pilgrims leaving SJPdP, the bed issue in Roncenvalles, and (from this side of the Atlantic and through a web browser) there seems almost a state of panic, of got to go, make a reservation, it's going to be crazy this year. This is not the Camino I have envisioned for 6 years.
So, do I change routes? Do I find somewhere a little less "crazy" than the Frances for my first camino? I'll be travelling alone, and I'm not fluent in Spanish - another reason for my attraction to the Frances - I figure it's a little easier to get along there.I want to experience what Spain and the Camino have to offer without spending my days worrying about pre-booking accommodations days in advance or getting up at O'Dark Thirty on a mad dash for a bed. Or is this simply the Camino teaching me to let go, and let God. To do the Camino I have "planned" and see what lies ahead, because the Camino provides?
Buen Camino,
Erin
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