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Would it be easier for you if I'd send it via E-mail?Ok, K1,
I will try to get some time to take down the document and add these many excellent comments! Thank you so very much. And I'm hoping Reb will be coming with me on some of the Invierno this summer, so we can test it out together. Buen camino, Laurie
Would it be easier for you if I'd send it via E-mail?
If you and Reb will go together on CdI I'm sure you'll enjoy both being together (lot's to debate about) and the Camino
I will surely talk about it on my next CaminosNo need to email, I can use it just like this. It's great!
I'm hoping that this time I will meet some other pilgrims, maybe if we keep talking about the Invierno, others will walk it! Thanks again, K1. Laurie
Your problem will be that you will have a hard time finding anyone to talk to on the Levante.I will surely talk about it on my next Caminos
HAHAHAHA, that might be very true, Laurie. But after Zamora......Your problem will be that you will have a hard time finding anyone to talk to on the Levante.
HAHAHAHA, that might be very true, Laurie. But after Zamora......
And next Camino may be long awaited Combo North (Interior, CF, Salvador, Primitivo...) with slightly more people to spread the word. You think that's a clever idea at all, to reveal such a beauty?
To tell the truth I think that Invierno will stay this way for years. Sure, it doesn't deserves that, but whole a lot of people want to experience those last trials on CF like O'Cebreiro, Samos, Sarria, Galicia, last 100kms etc. I can understand that because I've been there, but next time I'd go in winter. I remember Acacio's words (from Viloria de Rioja) about Galicia in winter, that it is even more magical, that more pagan spirits came out,... But I'm off topic already.You make a very good point. When I walked the Salvador/Primitivo, it was essentially empty. In fact the first time, I don't think there were more than 4 or 5 on the Primitivo, and never anyone else on the Salvador. Now I read about overcrowding! But it is nice to have some company. I remember when I walked the Invierno, I met a woman in the albergue in Outeiro who had done the Invierno and we figured out she had been a day behind me. She told me that seeing my footprints gave her great comfort and lessened the loneliness -- that's a pretty solitary way to lessen loneliness! Anyway, I agree with you that the Invierno is so beautiful that it just has to "take off" soon.
Buen camino, Laurie
Changes made, and I even figured out how to write Boštjan Mašera.
Now all I have to do is figure out how to delete the old version and replace it with the new one.
Hola @peregrina2000
»From here, you have a choice between a stiff climb on the path to the left to reach the castle, andstaying on the road to bypass the castle and go directly on the road to Borrenes.« - that's after Santala (before steep uphill to Villavieja!!!). From Villavieja there's just a gentle climb to Cornatel (and steep ascent to Borrenes on the asphalt) and the road to Borrenes is also to the right. I guess the choice is the same whether you decide to stay on the asphalt road after Santala or from Villavieja J
You got it right on both accounts.Your comments here made me realize that I am a bit fuzzy on this part. Is Villavieja the little hamlet sort of in a green valley with just one or two houses? If you take the path to the castle, do you avoid Villavieja?
What I remember is that little hamlet (with a mean dog) and then I was on a road that never took me right to the castle, but to a turn-off for the castle off the road. Are you saying there is a marked option to go straight to the castle? Thanks, K1.
You got it right on both accounts.
If you take a peek in here:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/my-camino-de-invierno-july-2014.25355/
and scroll down to post #15:
- after the little church (photos 5 & 6) and short climb you cross
- tarmac road from Santala to Borrenes (photo 7). If you stay on the road you completely bypass both Villavieja and Castillo
- but if you take narrow steep path to the left you come to Villavieja (photo 8 and 9)
After you made halfway through village there is (actually righthand curve) paved road to the right. I guess you took this road and if you stay on it you can bypass Castillo again (that's only my speculation though!). To the left of this road is large, very nicely renovated old house and Camino to Castillo goes by the left side of that house.
scroll down to post #16:
- it's light gravel path through chestnut trees and soon the view to Castillo openes (photos 1, 2 & 3). The path is not steep, because the parking below the Castillo is maybe at just a few meters higher altitude than Villavieja.
Hope that explains this part
No problem, just fire away...Wonderful, thanks. Well, it turns out that I didn't actually manage to post the Feb. update, and Ivar will help me do it tomorrow. But before I do, I am going to make sure to go back through all your posts on that thread, K1, because I think there is more information that I can use. So don't be surprised if I am sending you more questions tomorrow or the next day!!!
It's beautiful Camino with very nice and helpful people along the way. Enjoy it!Thanks to Laurie and everyone who made the guide a reality! I will be using it at the end of April.
I so appreciate all your work and willingness to share. I'll let you know if I can contribute to the next version.
Jeff
Thanks to Laurie and everyone who made the guide a reality! I will be using it at the end of April.
I so appreciate all your work and willingness to share. I'll let you know if I can contribute to the next version.
Jeff
Thank you for your efforts. I plan to walk the Invierno starting around the third week of June. I suspect it will be the highlight of my trip from SJPdP to Santiago.After getting a big burst of comments from several very helpful pilgrims, I´ve now got the guide up in the Resources section.
It is extremely possible that I have made some huge technological error and posted the wrong thing, so if my Invierno friends would take a look, I´d appreciate it.
Many many thanks to everyone who helped me, I couldn´t have done it without you. I will be back on the Invierno in July, so I will personally test this new version and try to clarify the couple of points where we are kind of confused.
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/resources/invierno-guide-january-2015.273/
Many thanks, buen camino, Laurie
Thank you for your efforts. I plan to walk the Invierno starting around the third week of June. I suspect it will be the highlight of my trip from SJPdP to Santiago.
I am leaving SJPdP on May 29, so my conservative estimate for departing Ponferrada is June 23rd or 24th. While I look forward to the peacefulness of this less-traveled route, I hope to run into some others!We might well bump into each other then, as that's about when I'll be setting off from Ponfe.
Hard to predict, but I might be on the Invierno about 7 to 10 days behind you. I hope to start my camino the 4th of May from Paray-le-Monial in France and walk the Way of Cluny, the Via Podiensis and then the Camino Francés till Ponferrada. The only part of the Francés I have seen was from León till Sarria (August last year) and that gave me the feeling I can do without the last part of the Francés. But you never know. Maybe I will be converted into a 'mass walker' on my journey ;-)Great news, Charrito. I will probably be doing the next bunch of annual revisions, so anything you send me will be carefully put away till the end of the year. I´ll be about two weeks behind you. If all goes well, I hope to leave from Ponferrada around the 3 or 4 of July.
Hard to predict, but I might be on the Invierno about 7 to 10 days behind you. I hope to start my camino the 4th of May from Paray-le-Monial in France and walk the Way of Cluny, the Via Podiensis and then the Camino Francés till Ponferrada. The only part of the Francés I have seen was from León till Sarria (August last year) and that gave me the feeling I can do without the last part of the Francés. But you never know. Maybe I will be converted into a 'mass walker' on my journey ;-)
After getting a big burst of comments from several very helpful pilgrims, I´ve now got the guide up in the Resources section.
It is extremely possible that I have made some huge technological error and posted the wrong thing, so if my Invierno friends would take a look, I´d appreciate it.
Many many thanks to everyone who helped me, I couldn´t have done it without you. I will be back on the Invierno in July, so I will personally test this new version and try to clarify the couple of points where we are kind of confused.
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/resources/invierno-guide-january-2015.273/
Many thanks, buen camino, Laurie
Here's the most recent version, sorry about that! https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...-to-the-camino-de-invierno-february-2015.301/Hi Laurie,
Is this Invierno guide still available? When I click on the link it comes up Error!!
thanks
Aidan
Hi Laurie.
I posted quite a lot when I did the Invierno earlier this summer, so you have my thread there to compare with your guide and KinkyOne's great information.
One thing that I would seriously suggest is for you to add an alternative from Monforte de Lemos, as that stage is pretty long and accommodation is not that readily available.
I walked along the LU-617 from Monforte (14-15 kilometres, but it would be a perfectly 'doable' stage if you had come from A Pobra do Brollón that morning) and stayed for the night in the excellent Hotel O Ruso in Escairón.
I then continued along the same road the following morning before turning left at the cheese factory and getting to the church at Diomondi (7 kilometres in total). From there it's straight down to Belesar and up the other side to Chantada.
Hola, Laurie!Hi, grayland,
Well, here are a few things to keep in mind. There are ways to break up most of the stages, and I'll be happy to help do that. The second thing is that I have heard from peregrino_Tom, who used the guide just this summer, and he has told me that the distances are too long. We did a major change last year based on Kinky's GPS info, and Tom at least says that they overstate the distance now. I managed to record most of my Invierno this summer on my GPS so I will have data for comparison. I hope to get to the update in the next few weeks and will be happy to let you know how things are going.
Buen camino, Laurie
p.s. what would be a good target for daily kms? Do you have plenty of days? Because some stages could be very short, in the 12-15 range, but that would add a lot of days.
Hola, Laurie!
Did Tom provided his GPS tracks? Or is that just his opinion?
I'm very much interested in your tracking also. It's better to have several tracks between same points and compare them to get closer to the right distances.
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