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Interesting read, thank you.
It is the title of the article in The New York Jewish Week, Connecting the World to Jewish News, Culture and Opinion! Please feel free to complain to them.even the title of this post sets them apart somehow
Trust me this is for every faith if you don't feel the spirit on this walk I will be surprised!Spain has a very liberal citizenship policy, if you can trace ancestry there, not just for persons claiming reparations.
It's good to know there is tolerance on the Camino. We leave in a few days and I've been a bit worried about any conflict my Mormon faith might have with the prejudice of fellow travelers. I don't react well in some of those situations. Something I need to work on when Im outside of the Mormon bubble.
Nobody on the Camino cares what faith you are. I know I didn't. I met pilgrims of many faiths. Christians and Jews. Muslims and Buddhists, and those that practice no particular faith.Spain has a very liberal citizenship policy, if you can trace ancestry there, not just for persons claiming reparations.
It's good to know there is tolerance on the Camino. We leave in a few days and I've been a bit worried about any conflict my Mormon faith might have with the prejudice of fellow travelers. I don't react well in some of those situations. Something I need to work on when Im outside of the Mormon bubble.
Like all Christians you are experiencing what most do when having to defend your faith. But I know in my heart that you have accepted Jesus. So brother walk with others & be an example of what a soft humble heart can discover.Good to hear. As far as the Church is concerned, James appeared on Earth personally to the first Prophet, Joseph Smith, in 1830 to formally confer authority upon the Prophet to lead the restored Christian faith on Earth. This teaching is clearly very different from other Christian denomination's teachings, so I'm a bit concerned about friction by persons unfamiliar with my faith.
In general, I try to avoid discussing my faith. People assume you are trying to convert them and the Church relies on missionaries to formally perform that calling. (The young men you see in black pants, white shirt and tie). It sounds like I'll be left alone on this subject. That's probably good.
They contributed much to Spain and I have read that the fall of Spain's importance in the world began with the expulsion of the Jews.
Honestly, on both Caminos, I had zero discussions about religion with any of my fellow pilgrims. Zero. I never brought it up (and don't know why anybody would) and it was never asked to me.Good to hear. As far as the Church is concerned, James appeared on Earth personally to the first Prophet, Joseph Smith, in 1830 to formally confer authority upon the Prophet to lead the restored Christian faith on Earth. This teaching is clearly very different from other Christian denomination's teachings, so I'm a bit concerned about friction by persons unfamiliar with my faith.
In general, I try to avoid discussing my faith. People assume you are trying to convert them and the Church relies on missionaries to formally perform that calling. (The young men you see in black pants, white shirt and tie). It sounds like I'll be left alone on this subject. That's probably good.
The expulsion of the Jews, from what I've read, and I am no expert, to be sure, caused direct and indirect consequences that contributed to the decline of Spain. That there were other forces is undeniable. Historians continue to debate the issue.
I am not sure if this is just an interest of yours but maybe you can fill us in on the current law going into effect in October. I have a Doctor I work with who is going to try to regain his family's citizenship. As they ended up in Mexico. I will be very happy for him if it works out as it will make his young children citizens of not only Spain but other parts of Europe I think due to the euro zone agreements. Once again good idea as an example to the rest of the world, not only for Jewish folks but any persecuted group.Objectively, the best age of Spain started with the "discovering" of America and the tons of gold and silver that it brought, at the same time the jews were thrown out.
During the 16th Century Spain was an empire owning 2/3 of America, the south of current Italy, Belgium, the Nederlands, parts of current Germany, Phillipines, territories in Africa and Asia and the whole Iberian peninsula.
At the end of the 17th Century (200 years after the expulsion) under the reign of Phillip IV and his son Charles II, after several wars in Europe and the wastages of Holland and Portugal (within many other reasons) Spain started to fall.
The raise and fall of Spain happened after the expulsion of jews.
Got ours back via Mex 20 years ago, but you had a certain time to apply. Ti,e may be over.I am not sure if this is just an interest of yours but maybe you can fill us in on the current law going into effect in October. I have a Doctor I work with who is going to try to regain his family's citizenship. As they ended up in Mexico. I will be very happy for him if it works out as it will make his young children citizens of not only Spain but other parts of Europe I think due to the euro zone agreements. Once again good idea as an example to the rest of the world, not only for Jewish folks but any persecuted group.
I am not sure if this is just an interest of yours but maybe you can fill us in on the current law going into effect in October. I have a Doctor I work with who is going to try to regain his family's citizenship. As they ended up in Mexico. I will be very happy for him if it works out as it will make his young children citizens of not only Spain but other parts of Europe I think due to the euro zone agreements. Once again good idea as an example to the rest of the world, not only for Jewish folks but any persecuted group.
I would like to see us all refer to one another as "Humans" rather than by race, creed, belief system, etc. Just a thought.
Do you think that people dislike or hate each other because they look different, have different religions, belief systems? Most of them don't. And more often than not it's not religion or language that has caused friction or wars, it was and is underlying economic reasons.I would like to see us all refer to one another as "Humans" rather than by race, creed, belief system, etc. Just a thought.
Tell it to the Jewish Weekly.I would like to see us all refer to one another as "Humans" rather than by race, creed, belief system, etc. Just a thought.
Last year I walked the primitivo and met a US pilgrim who had just attended a high holy day service in Oviedo with the very small number of Jews there - he told me that it was one of the most moving services he had ever attended. A few of us walked the 32km stage to Lugo with him, awed that a man in his 70s could keep the Yom Kippur fast with such resolution- two young German pilgrims joined him in keeping the fast- it was an extraordinary day.
The Jews were not only expelled in 1492 all their property was confiscated and used to finance the voyage of Columbus.
At one go the financial underpinning of the country vanished as well as most of the doctors, lawyers (no great loss some may say), and scholars. The last of the Muslims went in 1609 taking with them the remaining scholars and doctors. Karl Marx did the rest, tons of gold were brought back from the Americas and like black pepper, nutmeg, cloves and mace - the price plummeted ruining all market speculation (no great loss some will say).
Spain has a very liberal citizenship policy, if you can trace ancestry there, not just for persons claiming reparations.
It's good to know there is tolerance on the Camino. We leave in a few days and I've been a bit worried about any conflict my Mormon faith might have with the prejudice of fellow travelers. I don't react well in some of those situations. Something I need to work on when Im outside of the Mormon bubble.
The article is not only about religion, or even primarily about religion, it is also about the cultural contribution of the (former) Jewish community in Santiago and, by extension, in Spain and in Europe. I was interested to read for example that "the ubiquitous almond cake, fragrant and satisfying without being overly sweet" that is sold in pastelerías around Santiago and known as “tarta de Santiago” it is believed to have its origins in Jewish cuisine.
PS: Apparently, the Saint James cross pattern on the top of the cake is a modern 20th century addition.
I will never understand why history has been so harsh on the Jewish people
Easy targets.
Trades & crafts were often forbidden to Jews by local laws and guilds which left few outlets for making a living. Becoming a merchant was one of the few professions a mediaeval Jew could do. So the Jewish community started becoming wealthy. Mediaeval Christianity forebade the lending of money for profit, Judaism didn't so most of the heads of state and nobility ended up in hawk at one point to Jewish money lenders. European nobility was surprisingly poor, they ran off credit and mortgages that made 2007 look like conservative financial policy.
Use religious differences as an excuse and you had an easy solution to your kingdom's credit crisis. Phillip of France and the Pope did the same thing with the Templars when their finances hit the rocks as well. When the Spanish Jews were expelled they were allowed to take everything they owned... provided it wasn't in the form of gold, silver or jewels. Great, that's all the furniture you could carry...
The wealth (or at least perceived wealth, it wasn't always true) of the various Jewish communities in Europe in combination with the "you crucified Jesus" charges made them the first people to turn on when things got tough. In more recent times, I suspect simply being so different with a bit of folk memory of past persecutions to set a precedent was enough to arouse hatred and suspicion.
I can't recall faith ever being much of a conversation topic on the Camino, my unscientific opinion is that English speaking walkers (Brits, US, Canadians, Aussies and Kiwis) that I encountered were predominantly walking for secular reasons. The exception were the Irish who tended to be very open about their religious reasons for walking.
Claudia Roden (a Jewish food writer) mentions this in her book about Spanish cuisine. Although she says it didn't go down too well when she said it to a Galician TV talk show host
And do remember that history is always written by the victors. The Jews were allowed four months from the proclamation of the Alhambra degree before the expulsion. Spain 1492 is not Spain 21015 and many Jews received the notification only several weeks before leaving. They could sell their possessions but were prohibited to take gold and silver exchanging houses merchandise and possessions for portable trade goods. Most tried to go on to Portugal where a similar and far more harsh expulsion occurred in 1496 - read a bit about the Isle Saint Thomas off the coast of Africa for a particularly horrific event involving the deaths of thousands of Jewish children. The majority of Spanish Jews-men women, children, the elderly, the ill and the infirm those giving birth were packed like cord wood onto Spanish sailing vessels and cast off for North Africa. Many were simply cast overboard by the crews who quickly returned to Spain to take on another ":shipment". Hundreds of thousands perished. Jewish literature, contemporary diaries in Spanish and Hebrew all tell the same story of cruelty, hardship, murder, and theft. It was not a splendid period in Spanish history. By 1588, yes the Armada and the wars in the Nederlands, under the Hapsburg dynasty ruling Spain brought the country to the brink of bankruptcy. Don Quixote was first published 1505 and reflects another side of Spanish life after the Expulsion. The Jews never forgave the Spanish, Jewish merchants in Amsterdam financed English and Dutch buccaneers who attacked the Spanish Gold/Silver fleets from the New World. Jewish mysticism is a direct result of the expulsion, the Book of Splendor and the real Zohar not the Hollywood/Madonna version of today, mysticism which deals with the restoration of the world and universe to holiness and rightful order, something they did not experience in their lives.
That is a very naive statement, no culture is pure from bad deeds. Why throw stones?The jews where deported with the muslim moores.
As a christian i celebrate this fact.
It was a tight thing they nearly had control of the country.
If it was not for the castilians europe would be a different place.
Why a jew would want to gawk at the man there religion murdered is beyond my under standing.
The camino is a macarbe journey for a jew in my opinion.
OzTrekker,The jews where deported with the muslim moores.
As a christian i celebrate this fact.
It was a tight thing they nearly had control of the country.
If it was not for the castilians europe would be a different place.
Why a jew would want to gawk at the man there religion murdered is beyond my under standing.
The camino is a macarbe journey for a jew in my opinion.
If you mean attitude I've displayed in other posts, go for it. I may deserve it. No one is perfect and no one expresses themselves perfectly online. I'm certainly not always in the right. No one is. And meanwhile, while most of my debates are intended as pretty light hearted, I have no one to blame but myself if they don't come across that way---if, instead, they come across as self righteous or arrogant. And if they do come across that way, mea culpa.I
I am tired of your over sensitive conceited arrogant self righteous attitude, you just need to ignore others posts that you disagree with rather than throw another one of your online tantrums.
Not everybody thinks like you waveprof, deal with it and stop acting like a 16 year old girl.
Dont get personal with me i will give it straight back to you.
The world is an intricate place.
What a shocking statement to see on this usually, open minded forum that is mostly filled with kindness, tolerance and understanding.The jews where deported with the muslim moores.
As a christian i celebrate this fact.
It was a tight thing they nearly had control of the country.
If it was not for the castilians europe would be a different place.
Why a jew would want to gawk at the man there religion murdered is beyond my under standing.
The camino is a macarbe journey for a jew in my opinion.