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WolverineDG said:I think we should follow Reb's advice of carrying a small rosary....question is, how much do those weigh? :shock:
This was not my intention. This thread was posted twice (duplicate) so i deleted the one with no comments. You may have been writing your comment when i deleted it. Anyway, please share your thoughts.skilsaw said:yesterday I posted a reply to this topic.
today it is not there.
the thought police are watching.
KiwiNomad06 said:Actually, to be honest, I think I have become a Camino Bore since I returned home
Someone only has to show a glimmer of interest, and I am off....... with my photos out, a map out.....a guidebook out....... to show/tell them more!
It is good that friends of mine who recently walked the Camino are due back in the country very soon. 8) We will be able to bore each other together in peace!!! 8)
Margaret
MermaidLilli said:What resonates here to me is the judgment and criticism of these "New Age" people. If that is their religion then it is up to us to tolerate them along with everyone else's religions. If you find anyone's conversations a bore, like already said, move on. But try and not judge their beliefs. I personally find anyone's religion or spiritual beliefs interesting and will allow myself to learn from them.
"The truth is one, the paths are many", as said by Satchidananda.
LOVE is mine.
LOL Rebekah...that is awesome... LOLRebekah Scott said:I find one of the best ways to be left alone when walking is to carry a small Rosary visible in one hand. The Christian and other believers will respect your time of private prayer. The other "True Believers" will assume you´re a religious nut and steer clear of you!
Reb.
MichaelB10398 said:This is not an appropriate conversation. This forum is not the place to decide which religion, which set of beliefs, etc. are better than another. Nor is it the place to promote the merits of one group over another. That should stop immediately; focus on the Camino and how we as pelerins follow the Chemin and relate to it and others. Brother Dave, I know you mean well, but please stop that type of conversation.
On the other hand, there is no need to obfuscate historical fact. This pilgrimage that has been occurring for the last 1,000 years was started and continued because of the pilgrims that were Catholic. To say otherwise is to simply be putting our heads in the sand.
The Camino is for all because in each pilgrim can be found the Master of St. James, regardless of religion, philosophy, or thought.
His Peace always,
Michael
falcon269 said:... Discuss.
Canuck said:falcon269 said:... Discuss.
No discussion!
Great minds think alike... :mrgreen:
When in doubt, argue. Nicely
Cheers,
Jean-Marc
KiwiNomad06 said:Actually, to be honest, I think I have become a Camino Bore since I returned home
I know that feeling but I fear I'm am more like Camino junkie if I get a sniff of interest in or experience(s) of the camino I manage the conversation to meet my needs for a fix! Not an attractive trait in a guest so maybe I have more in common with the CBs (Camino Bores) than I'd care to think!
I think KerrySean showed incredible patience listening for 'up to two hours' to these people S/he found so boring- surely it almost counts as a form of martyrdom.
Perhaps one could "offer it up" (the boredom) as I was told to do when I was a child having to put up with something I didn't like. I regarded this activity as similar to making a deposit into a sort of spiritual deposit account which one could 'draw' later if you did something spectacularly bad. It was this thought of endurance and/or tolerance as a prudent investment that enabled me to navigate through some of the more tedious sections of childhood.
Personally I would like to think that if I were boring the pants off someone they would give me some feedback to that effect. But I know that is easier said than done especially when one is trying to be a 'good pilgrim' instead of giving an airing to your 'Assertiveness in the Boardroom' skill set.
I am sorry that KerrySean met so many of these CB's but I wonder what drew them to him/her-is there some sort of magnetic attraction of camino opposites going on here?
I found the people I met on the way to be engaging, funny, generally kind and, even when none of the above, always interesting at some level (ok sometimes only for a minute or two).
What is certain is that any Camino Bore worth their salt would be so pleased, and probably not at all surprised, to find themselves the a topic of this thread. And here is a scary thought I think I have become a camino bore about Camino Bores ...the CBs have the last word as always!
Yup, Amen, Indeed! Better a bore than a boor.Annette said:....And P.S the respect and accept is not only for the Camino.
Rebekah Scott said:I find one of the best ways to be left alone when walking is to carry a small Rosary visible in one hand. The Christian and other believers will respect your time of private prayer. The other "True Believers" will assume you´re a religious nut and steer clear of you!
Shamelessly promoting my new blog, a version of the prayer is here:Anniesantiago said:So Gareth, post the prayer? :lol:
Well, I have been busy and just returned to this thread: now Andy.d has beaten me to it.Anniesantiago said:So Gareth, post the prayer? :lol:
Here's a New York Times (U.S. newspaper) article from March 2008 about Mr. Kerkeling's book:alexwalker said:Never heard of him.
Gareth Thomas said:Anniesantiago said:Well, I have been busy and just returned to this thread: now Andy.d has beaten me to it.
Gareth
falcon269 said:Hape Kerkeling is the best known German comedian in Europe with a name recognition on par with Angela Merkel. He has regular TV and radio shows. His book on the Camino was a best seller. I have read the translation, and I think that it ranks with the best of the Camino books. Non-Europeans may not have heard of him, but the Germans probably did not have that clearly in mind -- we all have a tendency to be a bit myopic. Shirley MacLaine's book caused an increase in the number of North American pilgrims. If you asked an American in 2001 why he was on the Camino, he might have mentioned MacLaine. I found it interesting that so many Germans suddenly wanted to walk the pilgrimage because of a book, just as the French and Spanish might have been fascinated that MacLaine inspired Americans. I shared a dinner table in O Cebreiro with two Germans. One phoned his wife, who was listening to Kerkeling's radio program on the subject of O Cebreiro even as they spoke. That might be boring to some, but I was quite amazed at the synchronicity (too New Wave, perhaps, even for this atheist).
lynnejohn said:Oh please. I am a responsible pole-using pilgrim (RPUP). My poles have rubber tips, and even so, when I'm walking on hard surfaces, they are retracted and inserted into the side of my pack. You won't hear any clacking from me. They are not pretentious; I'm not smug. They were prescribed by my physiotherapist. Best of all benefits, they keep my hands from swelling.
Peace.
lynne
kerrysean said:I would also like to say that many of the cyclists on the walking routes are a bloody danger to themselves and others hurtling down hills at breakneck pace scattering all before them with a loud 'buon camino'...this is meant to be a greeting not a warning.
Finally people who cook every night in the kitchens and heat up oats and stuff in the morning are just being totally mean with their money :evil:
While there was an occasional bon mot, most of this thread has been a little nasty in my opinion. Enjoyable, but pretty nasty, and rarely dull or boring, again IMHO.The beginning of this topic was rather clever and funny, and so were the responses
MichaelB10398 said:This was a case of venting or possible the work of a troll (those who seek only to be disagreeable). Let it go. Most importantly, no one gets to judge other pilgrims; if they do it can simply be ignored.
Hermanita said:kerrysean
Is there ANYTHING about your pilgrimage that you DID like and don't have a gripe about???
I will be the one in the kitchen cooking and eating my own food when possible, NOT because I am "mean" with my money, but because I am not a fan of restaurant food, and have specific dietary needs. And don't worry kerrysean I won't drink any of your wine either.
Oats for breakfast happen to be very nutritious. Maybe better than the fare that you will get in a cafe. did you ever consider that perhaps these folks have dietary and medical reasons or that some people just prefer to eat first thing in the morning. I know my mother was a diabetic and had to eat at specific times and certain foods.
As for What is the camino trying to tell you?, I don't think that is an unreasonable question to hear asked on a spiritual pilgrimage. Maybe you have a better one, if so, I'd like to hear it.
the 3 euro donativo as a fair amount seems to be a general consensus, as it has been quoted many times in this forum by many who have walked and I don't recall any of them being German.
kerrysean said:Hermanita said:kerrysean
Is there ANYTHING about your pilgrimage that you DID like and don't have a gripe about???
I will be the one in the kitchen cooking and eating my own food when possible, NOT because I am "mean" with my money, but because I am not a fan of restaurant food, and have specific dietary needs. And don't worry kerrysean I won't drink any of your wine either.
Oats for breakfast happen to be very nutritious. Maybe better than the fare that you will get in a cafe. did you ever consider that perhaps these folks have dietary and medical reasons or that some people just prefer to eat first thing in the morning. I know my mother was a diabetic and had to eat at specific times and certain foods.
As for What is the camino trying to tell you?, I don't think that is an unreasonable question to hear asked on a spiritual pilgrimage. Maybe you have a better one, if so, I'd like to hear it.
the 3 euro donativo as a fair amount seems to be a general consensus, as it has been quoted many times in this forum by many who have walked and I don't recall any of them being German.
Let me just say Hermanita....it is amazing to me to hear anyone suggest that three euros is a 'fair' donation...when most who state a charge come in at about 7 or 8...If you think that there is a 'general consensus' about 3 being correct....may I have the temerity to challenge it, by stating that it is nothing short of astonishing that someone will seek to justify paying the same for a nights shelter and washing facilities, what one would quite commonly be charged for a cup of coffee in any european main line railway station...I am sticking to my guns on that one...you are simply abusing the hospitality of the proprietors, and I think that deep down you must know that...
Some Municipals (Burgos,Logroño) charge 3 - 5 € minimum
"So, I think it is not the amount given that people become aggrieved about, it is the proportion given out of people's means - don't you think?"
How true. It is those who take paltry advantage of the "system" and feel they have pulled a fast one that bug all of us. Anyone who has means and leaves 3E is simply cheating the system, and by extension, all of the other pilgrims who rely on those facilities, particularly the ones truly in need.
AJP
Victoria
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