- Time of past OR future Camino
- To Santiago + back
2400 km + 950 nmi
160 days
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I live in AZ and it's mostly fine. Except I live super close to the new Mexico state line and our community is on both sides., so half the year it's e.g. " party starts at 7 AZ time, " it's easy for confusion. And the sun comes up super early in the summer,official sunrise can be as early as 520 am, but you can see way before that.I will be (if all goes according to plan) walking when the Spring Fwd happens in 2019. I figure I would be walking based on daylight conditions more so than clock conditions anyway. But.... if I keep finding myself looking for a meal or checking in to accommodations during siesta or too late for a bed I may have to use the clock and not the sun. I have been in Europe in the Fall and experienced that loss of an hour and it did create some havoc on closures of shops / banks.
FWIW here in USoA not all 50 states take part in the exercise. Arizona and Hawaii abstain. Seems life goes on just fine in those two states.
Isn't Spain in the wrong timezone anyways - all year around.
When in Spain, I can easily adapt to having dinner at 8:30 at the earliest (albergues catering for pilgrims but mainly for other travellers) or at 9 or even later (restaurants) etc. What feels strange to me, is the late sunrise, for example the sun rises currently around 7:30 along the Camino Frances (middle part). I don't like getting up before sunrise and won't walk in the dark as a rule ... no criticism, just how it feels to me.
Yes, Spain is in the 'wrong' timezone. Santiago de Compostela, for example, is further west than most of Portugal but is one hour 'east' (i.e. ahead) of Portugal in time. Similarly, Madrid is further west than London but one hour 'east' in time. But it suits the Spanish culture and way of life for it to be that way - that is, wake up late and stay up late.
Dont know if this is true but I recall reading somewhere that Franco changed it so that Spain was on the same time as Berlin. Some Spaniards referred to it as 'Hitler Time'. I could be wrong but there is a vague memory about thisIsn't Spain in the wrong timezone anyways - all year around. I just checked on time and date - and even mid summer dawn is not until nearly 7am and its not dark to 10pm a glance at a map suggests it should be on GMT not GMT+1 Is that what the referendum is about - or just daylight saving
Just to clarify again: The consultation and survey that is the initial topic of the thread was addressed to all 500 million EU citizens since it concerns all of them - and I'm one of them. See EU gets record response on 'summertime' consultation .
It's not my survey. I posted after I read a last minute call for participation in our newspapers and felt it was relevant here.
Or, I felt it was at least as relevant as these forum posts about sales at REI and Aldi somewhere on this globe.
Do people ever ask themselves whether this makes any sense?
El mito de que España no está por culpa de los nazis en el huso horario que le correspondent
Yes, Spain but also France, Belgium, Luxemburg and The Netherlands are in the wrong timezone, they should be in WET (Western European Time) but they are in CET (Central European Time). ...
Apparently, a number of EU states have officially asked for a review, among them Finland and Lithuania - so at the opposite end to Spain. When I grew up, the clocks were never changed and I've resented the procedure ever since.
Around here, we have daylight saving time since 1980 or so.
I don’t quite understand this remark. The clocks in Greece, Finland and Lithuania show the same time all year round, in summer as in winter. This is about the change to and from summertime (elsewhere known as daylight saving time) which takes place in March and October in every EU country and to which many people object, at least from Helsinki to Berlin and Brussels - don’t really know about the people in Paris and Madrid.
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But will it fade the curtains?
That was back in the seventies when the majority of the people worked 9 to 5, today people works all hours of the day. Even as a kid I could.not understand why moving the clock by an hour would change the length of the day.One winter in the UK, when I was growing up, we walked to school in the dark – an experiment by the UK government to do away with “daylight saving”. If my memory serves me correctly, the idea was abandoned because there were too many traffic accidents. Next winter we were back to “normal”.
Jill
From El Pais of yesterday: Speaking on Friday at a press conference, Spain’s Education Minister Isabel Celaá said that “no changes” would be made to the current system. According to Celaá, [an] expert commission, tasked with reviewing a time zone change, was unable to reach any “conclusive resolution” due to the “large impact” the measure would have on cultural and economic sectors.I have no idea what Spain is planning to do. Anyone?
Well, I’m a Brit and one of the 48% so doing my best to find the current situation surreal. I have, however, just applied for and received my replacement E111 European reciprocal health services card. It has a five-year life. I live in hope that it will remain valid for that time and that the daylight saving debate will carry on likewise.Six months later and nothing has changed yet.
According to this article in the Spanish press:
Spain must decide before the beginning of April 2020 whether it prefers to remain in winter time or summer time from the year 2021 onwards, when the European Commission intends to end the changing of the clocks [that takes place every six months], following the wish expressed by 80% of citizens in a survey conducted in 2018 [= 80% of those who took part in a consultation open to every EU citizen and every organisation in the EU].
In view of this result, the European Commission proposed to put an end to this practice and proposed that the last clock change should take place in March 2019. However, a lack of consensus between the EU countries and a lack of impact assessments caused the EU to delay the possible end of the clock change until 2021. Every country can adopt their own fixed time system from 2021 onwards.A dilemma arises in Spain: while the majority of the population - 65% according to a survey carried out by the Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas (CIS) last November - prefers summer time, many technical assessments conclude that the most rational thing would be for Spain to keep winter time all year round.
I'm taking bets what will happen first: The end of the seasonal clock change in the EU, as it's properly called, or Brexit.
A dilemma arises in Spain: while the majority of the population - 65% according to a survey carried out by the Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas (CIS) last November - prefers summer time, many technical assessments conclude that the most rational thing would be for Spain to keep winter time all year round.
I'm taking bets what will happen first: The end of the seasonal clock change in the EU, as it's properly called, or Brexit.
At first, I didn't understand what you are saying but in the meantime I'v learnt that there was a public online consultation in France this year where 2 million French citizens participated: more than 80% want to see an end to the constant changing of the clocks and among these, nearly 60% prefer to keep summertime (what's known as daylight saving time elsewhere).The French population has voted for the same mistake, probably not realising that it would mean winter sunrises as late as 9:42 AM, and so actual daylight not starting til 10:30 or something.
That word "if" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.As for the UK, if it leaves the EU first, it won't be bound by these rules changes, and apparently it will keep on with the clock changes.
The conclusion was exactly the opposite. Fewer accidents so there is a strong argument for moving the uk clocks forward an hour summer and winterOne winter in the UK, when I was growing up, we walked to school in the dark – an experiment by the UK government to do away with “daylight saving”. If my memory serves me correctly, the idea was abandoned because there were too many traffic accidents. Next winter we were back to “normal”.
Jill
Update on 26 October 2019: Background info: Upon popular request, the European Commission had proposed that we stop changing from summertime (aka daylight saving time) to wintertime and back again, and that every EU country adopts the timezone they like best and stick to it. Current planning says that 31 October 2021 is the earliest date for a possibly last changing of the clocks in the EU.
I've read elsewhere that whilst this is officially the case, there is still a chance that the EU may decide that this was indeed the final time.We changed the clock this spring weekend of 2021, we are going to change them again at the end of October later this year
There was a public (online as well as offline) consultation about this. 4,6 million people from the EU countries gave their opinion on seasonal clock changes and 84% of them were in favour of abolishing these bi-annual clock changes.US changes twice a year as well. Periodically the same discussion is made.
Oh well, roll on the double daylight saving debate.
You do have to be of a certain age to remember this!
Seemingly, statistically proven to save the lives of Scottish schoolchildren who walked to school. In the modern era, of course, they are transported to school in Chelsea tractors with more lights than a prison exercise yard.
The farmers as has been stated base their lives around the sunrise anyway, the rest of us have electric lighting powered by the windor so the adverts would have us believe.
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