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Your nationality is not stated but it is possible to renew a US passport in one day. Below is a link to one story but I've seen some others.Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal.
I can see why you are crushed. You searched and searched for the right flight, and then poof! it didn't work out. I am glad the airline refunded your money without penalty.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
The day before my daughter and her husband were supposed to visit us in Portugal, she realized she couldn’t find her passport. I do not remember the details, since it was in 2004, but I know that she found some agency that walked it through for her and she picked it up on her way to Dulles. At that time, there were no available walk-in appointments because agencies reserved them all, but we were happy to pay the fee.Your nationality is not stated but it is possible to renew a US passport in one day. Below is a link to one story but I've seen some others.
Getting a same-day passport saved our vacation - The Points Guy
Some travel mistakes are minor and can be solved pretty easily. On other occasions though, you might make a mistake that could potentially cost you the entir...thepointsguy.com
Thanks, I'll check out the services and see what I can find.The day before my daughter and her husband were supposed to visit us in Portugal, she realized she couldn’t find her passport. I do not remember the details, since it was in 2004, but I know that she found some agency that walked it through for her and she picked it up on her way to Dulles. At that time, there were no available walk-in appointments because agencies reserved them all, but we were happy to pay the fee.
Same here, we always renew at the beginning of our last year on our passports. Better safe than sorry!Yes, I always start my renewal early for this reason.
Well, the person could go to their country's consulate and get an emergency passport if theirs has expired.A person enters a Schengen country for three months, over stays, gets caught and is deported. The native country of the visitor doesn't take him back because he doesn't have a valid passport and sends him back to Europe where ...
Now others will be, thanks to your posting this thread!Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Yes, it does.I wonder if it differs between countries.
This is a good practice - even better, consider 12 months in advance.we always renew at the beginning of our last year on our passports.
Yes, but the new passport wouldn't have their entry stamp.Well, the person could go to their country's consulate and get an emergency passport if theirs has expired.
Note the advice here that the passport may have to be valid for six months from the time of your intended departure.Passport validity
Some countries won’t let you enter unless your passport is valid for six months after you plan to leave that country. Some airlines also impose this rule on their own initiative. It can apply even if you’re just transiting or stopping over. Some foreign governments and airlines apply the rule inconsistently. You can receive conflicting advice from different sources. Getting it wrong can mean being stranded.
Nice dialogue. Except ... I've mostly read that travellers from the UK were not caught out by passport control at the end of their flight but by their airport's ground staff at home before getting on the plane ... so it should read "Sir"?It seems, from reports in British newspapers, that some travellers have been caught out by passport control saying that their passport is valid for 10 years from the date of issue.
"So, monsieur, your passport was issued on the 25th June 2012. Today is the 21st August - your passport is no longer valid"
"But the expiry date is 25th December!"
"Monsieur, your passport was issued on the 25th June 2012. Today is the 21st August - your passport is no longer valid . . . "
I'm in the USA as well. I'm not sure where u are located but in my area you can got to the office in Detroit and get it renewed the same dayI'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Thanks for the heads up. Great info. Hope things work out for you.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Most countries are able to do 'expedited' passports within a few days — for a fee of course — but that might save complications with bookings.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
I see you can get a fast track appointment in the UK. Details are all online www.gov.uk/get-a-passport-urgentlyDon't panic about the renewal time. I applied for a replacement UK passport and was quoted 10 weeks. I applied online on 4tg August. Posted my old passport that day. On Tuesdays 9th August they acknowledged receipt of passport. On Friday 19th they told me that it was approved and would be going to be printed soon. So I reckon it will be3 weeks overall from application to receipt.
Yes, I've done the UK one. It takes 4 hours. You show up for your appointment, hand in the forms and photos and then go away and come back at the appointed time to collect it.I see you can get a fast track appointment in the UK. Details are all online www.gov.uk/get-a-passport-urgently
I got my new USA passport in 5 weeks without the expedited process.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Yes, I've learned that six months before expiration is a good rule of thumb, but three is adequate for Portugal. I guess the theme is that a US Passport expiration date is only good for reentering the US.I can see why you are crushed. You searched and searched for the right flight, and then poof! it didn't work out. I am glad the airline refunded your money without penalty.
Not sure where you live, but everything now says countries don't want your passport to expire less than 6 months from your time there. I suppose they fear some people will try to sneak in and stay on.
Renewing so early is a great nuisance and a bit of a ripoff since you wind up losing months from your current passport expiration date.
I misplaced my passport ( American) and I was able to do a renewal turnaround time of 3 days. I had to go to the city and apply in person but it worked and I was able to travel. Good luck, and I hope this helps you.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Another thing to trip you up is that passports need to be less than 10 years old. Some countries allow passports to be extended. However if the date of issue is more than 10 years then the EU classes them as invalid.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Last year, I was in the same boat, though not for the Camino. I paid the expedited fee for passport renewal, took it to the post office, was notified of delivery, etc. and received back in plenty of time! The documentation I'd supplied with it came later. Covid canceled the trip, so it was a complete waste of dollars, but just saying.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
2 days? I admire your positive attitude!Thank you @aerialobserver I checked my passport and am only just within validity. From UK we must have 3 months left on our passports to visit Spain. I should make it by 2 days
The older I get the quicker my passport runs out
I was nearly caught out with this. I had extra months added on some years ago when I got married and changed my name on my passport. Thought I had plenty of time left on it. A chance conversation with a colleague alerted me to the fact that now one has to go by the issue date rather than the expiry date. It was a stressful few weeks waiting for my new passport to arrive so I could fly, but it finally arrived about a week and a half before my flight date!Another thing to be careful about is whether or not you renewed your current passport early - some countries, including the UK, used to do this and "add on" the extra months.
So if you had a passport that expired on 25th December 2012 but decided to renew early on 25th June 2012 your new passport would show a date of issue of 25th June 2012 but a date of expiry of 25th December 2022 (so 10 years and 6 months)
It seems, from reports in British newspapers, that some travellers have been caught out by passport control saying that their passport is valid for 10 years from the date of issue.
"So, monsieur, your passport was issued on the 25th June 2012. Today is the 21st August 2022 - your passport is no longer valid"
"But the expiry date is 25th December!"
"Monsieur, your passport was issued on the 25th June 2012. Today is the 21st August 2022 - your passport is no longer valid . . . "
Actually I now have a real problem because I applied for my passport early and had the time I had left on my old passport added to this one. Perfectly legitimate and common 10 years ago in the UK. But it now makes my passport out of date for the EU.2 days? I admire your positive attitude!
Panic over....I've another yearActually I now have a real problem because I applied for my passport early and had the time I had left on my old passport added to this one. Perfectly legitimate and common 10 years ago in the UK. But it now makes my passport out of date for the EU.
I am due to fly on Sept 22nd so I will have to try the fast track service.
90 days at a minimum is needed. And if you are on the Camino and only 90 days are left on your passport, you might not be able to get back. Before getting into this bind, and if you already have a trip planned, go to the embassy to seek help.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
It has been the recommendation for the past few years now that a passport must be in good condition and have an expiry date no less than 6 months before your returning home (that is to cover you in case you fall ill or worse yet land in jail). A good travel agent will make you aware of this before even proceeding with the booking.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
An overstay may also be the result of illness, accident or worse yet landing in jailI'm just making a guess here but I was thinking about why a country would want you to have a passport valid for six months after entry. This is what I came up with for the case of having just enough time on the passport to handle a valid visit.
A person enters a Schengen country for three months, over stays, gets caught and is deported. The native country of the visitor doesn't take him back because he doesn't have a valid passport and sends him back to Europe where ...
So it appears to make things a lot easier for the visited country to require a longer validity to give them more time to catch overstayers.
Since 9/11, all this kind of thing is increasingly complicated. And often illogical.Yes, I've learned that six months before expiration is a good rule of thumb, but three is adequate for Portugal. I guess the theme is that a US Passport expiration date is only good for reentering the US.
This is not a recommendation, but a requirement for entry into many countries. The length of time the passport needs to be valid for after your planned departure date varies. Your own country might recommend ensuring that your passport is valid, as mine does. If the country you are going to requires it, you can expect that they will won't budge.It has been the recommendation for the past few years now that a passport must be in good condition and have an expiry date no less than 6 months before your returning home
Thank you Doug. What you wrote reminded me of an old post of mine. Here's a copy.But as the OP found out, the airlines will be checking, because they don't want to have you bring you home when you are refused entry. So they or your travel agent will be the ones enforcing the requirements here when you are booking your tickets.
I think the same in Australia. I was at the Sydney passport office recently on another matter and the line to collect passports was out the door. Not sure what the processing time was but there certainly seemed to be a post Covid bottleneck.In Canada we are experiencing incredible lineups for passport renewals and new applications. However, a couple of weeks ago, they started canvassing the lineups outside the Passport offices for anyone who may be travelling very soon. Thise were pushed to the front of each day's line. So, not aware of your nationality, but knowing that many countries have been experiencing this same covid-created issue, might this tactic help in your timing for a 2022 Camino trip?
Be sure and use an expedited SERVICE and not just expedite through the Government site. They can get the job done ASAP for not much extra $. Used to be that way anyway.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
How disappointing - I can say from experience that some countries require 6 months in advance of passport renewal. Good luck with your caminoI'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
As @Jeff Crawley has pointed out there are numerous holders of British passports that have a validity of more than 10 years because in the UK it was possible to add up to 9 months to the 10 year validity if you had your passport renewed months before it expired. You could transfer the 'unused' months from your old passport to your new passport.Another thing to be careful about is whether or not you renewed your current passport early - some countries, including the UK, used to do this and "add on" the extra months.
I am very grateful for this thread as I might well have come unstuck due to this. (Even allowing for getting the year correct). My passport is supposedly valid until Feb 24. However now it's only valid until Aug 23. Allowing for the 3 months before that plus the time it will take for a normal renewal I will need to renew mine a year before the validity date at the latest!As @Jeff Crawley has pointed out there are numerous holders of British passports that have a validity of more than 10 years because in the UK it was possible to add up to 9 months to the 10 year validity if you had your passport renewed months before it expired. You could transfer the 'unused' months from your old passport to your new passport.
Passports that are older than 10 years are not "valid travel documents" under EU law, i.e. under the law for entry of non-EU nationals into EU countries. Numerous British holidaymakers discovered this year that such was the case for them, sometimes as late as when they were already at the gate and the airport staff checked their passports. And, be aware, they lack compassion!
As reported by a traveller who, at Cornwall Airport Newquay on Saturday, July 23, 2022, was not allowed to board with her husband and her children for a flight from England to Portugal:
"The time had come to board the plane. [My husband and my sons] were in front of me, but when a member of the ground staff checked my passport she told me it’s out of date. I replied, ‘sorry I think you are mistaken it’s valid until April 2023’. ‘No it’s not’. The ten years run from the issue date, in my case July 8, 2012. "I was then abruptly informed that [...] I would not be able to travel. I was marched back through the busy departure gate in front of everyone while my family were still waiting to board the plane."She also said that staff at the airport showed no compassion: "There was no being taken into a side room and told, 'we'll get your baggage for you' or 'we'll call Portugal for you and do whatever we can' - it can be a discretionary decision by the destination country. "No discretion was made, no suggested calls were made to immigration in Portugal, no help with rearranging flights, car hire, getting home, etc, and absolutely no compassion. I would hate anyone else to go through what we have just experienced."
Despite a lifetime spent in travel, I have fallen foul of the ‘numbers of pages’ rule a couple of times! First time was in Joburg in 2003 just after South Africa had introduced a rule that you needed two blank pages opposite each other on your passport for it to be valid! I didn’t!! Clearly the staff at my departure airport didn’t know the new rule either as I and others were allowed to board! After initially being refused entry I was allowed in. Similarly in Indonesia a few years later when I didn’t have any blank pages and they needed a full one. It was only a day trip from Singapore that I only planned the night before and I hadn’t down my homework!I have worked for a foreign embassy, and it was almost a daily occurance to have people calling or knocking at our door because they found out that their passport was not "valid enough" for the trip. Or even more common, that they would need a visa for some countries!
"But I never needed a visa to travel before!"
"Have you been to (Country X) before?"
"No."
"They require entry visas from all citizens from (nationality Z)".
"But Country Y doesn´t asks for it!"
"Yeah, but now you are going to Country X."
"So all countries are going to be different?"
"Yes, sir."
I can´t stress enough how important it is to make all travel checks. My basic list is:
- Passport expiry
- number of pages
- need for a visa depending on citizenship/destination
- health requirements
- travel insurance coverage requirements
- money declarations.
Thanks a lot for the OP for bringing this up, and I hope they still get to to the trip they plannedPorto is an amazing place!
I added emphasis for that last one. Find out the current rules. Don't rely on old webpages. Sometime around 1988 France had some problems with terrorism and for a period had requirements for visas for nationalities that it used to admit visa free.I can´t stress enough how important it is to make all travel checks. My basic list is:
- Passport expiry
- number of pages
- need for a visa depending on citizenship/destination
A sorry story but the law is the law is the law.As @Jeff Crawley has pointed out there are numerous holders of British passports that have a validity of more than 10 years because in the UK it was possible to add up to 9 months to the 10 year validity if you had your passport renewed months before it expired. You could transfer the 'unused' months from your old passport to your new passport.
Passports that are older than 10 years are not "valid travel documents" under EU law, i.e. under the law for entry of non-EU nationals into EU countries. Numerous British holidaymakers discovered this year that such was the case for them, sometimes as late as when they were already at the gate and the airport staff checked their passports. And, be aware, they lack compassion!
As reported by a traveller who, at Cornwall Airport Newquay on Saturday, July 23, 2022, was not allowed to board with her husband and her children for a flight from England to Portugal:
"The time had come to board the plane. [My husband and my sons] were in front of me, but when a member of the ground staff checked my passport she told me it’s out of date. I replied, ‘sorry I think you are mistaken it’s valid until April 2023’. ‘No it’s not’. The ten years run from the issue date, in my case July 8, 2012. "I was then abruptly informed that [...] I would not be able to travel. I was marched back through the busy departure gate in front of everyone while my family were still waiting to board the plane."She also said that staff at the airport showed no compassion: "There was no being taken into a side room and told, 'we'll get your baggage for you' or 'we'll call Portugal for you and do whatever we can' - it can be a discretionary decision by the destination country. "No discretion was made, no suggested calls were made to immigration in Portugal, no help with rearranging flights, car hire, getting home, etc, and absolutely no compassion. I would hate anyone else to go through what we have just experienced."
So sorry that you face this frustrating situation. Thank goodness you were alerted to the issue early, rather than being denied when trying to check in for your flight! I know people who learned this lesson the hard way.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
It seems to be pretty much a world wide effect.I think the same in Australia. I was at the Sydney passport office recently on another matter and the line to collect passports was out the door. Not sure what the processing time was but there certainly seemed to be a post Covid bottleneck.
There have been horror stories of people waiting upto 10 weeks for a new UK passport. I applied online on 4th August and the new passport will be delivered today. I think the press got carried away when perhaps 1 individual had to wait 10 weeks because of either errors or special circumstances. Mine has taken less than 3 weeks dfor the whole process. No need to waste a day travelling to a passport office.Yes, I've done the UK one. It takes 4 hours. You show up for your appointment, hand in the forms and photos and then go away and come back at the appointed time to collect it.
As they said already two thousand years ago, to quote Wikipedia: ignorantia juris non excusat (literally: "ignorance of the law excuses not"). And besides, it's not a new requirement: Since 2013, non-EU passports must not be older than ten years on the day of entry and must be valid for at least three months on the day when the traveller intends to leave again. Before 2013, non-EU nationals merely had to be in possession of a valid travel document authorising them to cross the border.A sorry story but the law is the law is the law.
"Maybe I should put a reminder for their renewal in my digital calendars?"As they said already two thousand years ago, to quote Wikipedia: ignorantia juris non excusat (literally: "ignorance of the law excuses not"). And besides, it's not a new requirement: Since 2013, non-EU passports must not be older than ten years on the day of entry and must be valid for at least three months on the day when the traveller intends to leave again. Before 2013, non-EU nationals merely had to be in possession of a valid travel document authorising them to cross the border.
BTW, British passports with a validity of more than 10 years will eventually be a thing of the past. Since September 2018 or so, it is no longer possible to transfer a "credit" from the old passport to the new one.
The real hurdle in such cases - a Camino pilgrim or a family on their summer holiday trip - is the ground staff at the departure airport; they may indeed show no compassion and they certainly will not "ring immigration in Portugal" to solve the issue. Border control officers do show compassion sometimes. I know because a few years ago an officer of HMG let me cross the virtual border at a Eurostar station and board the train although I presented a travel document that had expired. Maybe it helped that I pointed this out to him before he noticed and I had tears in my eyes, too. Real ones, not faked ones; it was a family emergency situation and not a leisure trip.
Useful thread, btw. I have just checked the validity of my passport and my two ID cards. Still good for a couple of years. Maybe I should put a reminder for their renewal in my digital calendars?
This is not something that many of us think about. If you travel a lot and think you will run out of blank pages, it's far better to be safe than sorry.South Africa had introduced a rule that you needed two blank pages opposite each other on your passport for it to be valid! I didn’t!!
Oh! Excellent idea!Maybe I should put a reminder for their renewal in my digital calendars?
It's of doubtful legality, problem being that it involves International Law, and for a private individual to seek recourse against a Nation State at the International Court is an unlikely prospect.I'm just making a guess here but I was thinking about why a country would want you to have a passport valid for six months after entry.
What????and a lot of people, certainly in the UK, did not realise there was an expiry date on their driving licence (apart from the "renew at 70" feature).
Yes, the old paper ones last forever, as long as you don't move house!What????
Just looked at my driving license and it's valid until the day before I'm 70. It is still a, very fragile, paper license. Last renewed when I moved to this house in 1984
Maybe it's to do with having a relatively current photo?Yes, the old paper ones last forever, as long as you don't move house!
I think that's why people didn't know the photo ones do expire.
Thank you! Yes I was quite shocked whe I was refused entry to ZA! For UK folks with UK passports now being stamped in EU countries, passports willThis is not something that many of us think about. If you travel a lot and think you will run out of blank pages, it's far better to be safe than sorry.
Edit - This site has a list of passport pages needed (it's NOT official government site, so do double check); don't try to go to Brunei or Namibia if you're running low on space - they require 6 blank pages!!
Some EU countries (France and Spain included) need one page, others (Belgium and Holland, for example) require two. Clearly, we need to pay attention!
Here's a cute trick to maximize space in your passport that I discovered while looking for more information about this:How many blank passport pages do you need to travel to each country
Every country has different regulations on how many blank passport pages you need to travel. Either one, two, three, or more, here is a guide for you.www.thetravelersbuddy.com
Why Some Travelers Put Sticky Notes in Their Passports — and What We Think You Should Do Instead
Here’s the story behind this passport hack.www.travelandleisure.com
Oh! Excellent idea!
We all should.
Yes it will expire Feb 28 but you can only use it until 3 months prior to Feb 28 to travel to the EU by current rules.Hi,
Just for clarification, I have one of these uk passports with 10 years 3 months issued Feb 2018 with an expiry may 2028.
Am I right in thinking that it's still valid?
And use the 10 year rule from the issue date thereby expiring Feb 2028.
Or have I misinterpreted it! And messed up big time.
Cheers.
Mark
Thanks carolams, just as i thought.Yes it will expire Feb 28 but you can only use it until 3 months prior to Feb 28 to travel to the EU by current rules.
Yes, they need to be renewed every 10 years but you should get a reminder to renew.Maybe it's to do with having a relatively current photo?
... but I swear I don't look a day older than when I last renewed my passport!Maybe it's to do with having a relatively current photo?
It always used to be, if you said you hadn't changed much you didn't have to get a new photo.... but I swear I don't look a day older than when I last renewed my passport!
methinks you took my comment far too seriously!It always used to be, if you said you hadn't changed much you didn't have to get a new photo.
I think it's different now, though.
many countries indeed require 6 months. I had to renew my passport in haste after finding out that it was 4 days short of 6 months before going to Costa Rica some years ago... better to check!So sorry to hear that. Gosh I hope you can work something out and preserve your walk.
Incidentally I had always thought the window of time was 6 months, in that the return journey had to be initialed while one still had six months remaining before their passport expiry date. I wonder if it differs between countries. In any case, yours is sure a cautionary tale and one that will likely cause many to go and look at the fine print on their passports.
Good luck, I wish you well.
While the time frame varies from country to country, ‘many European countries — 26 in all — are signers of the Schengen Agreement and as a result follow the 3+3 Rule, meaning your passport must be valid for three months beyond your three-month entry visa, or for a total of six months regardless of how long your initial stay is. Note that while some Schengen countries only require passports to be valid for three months beyond your intended stay, others assume you may stay the full 90 days of your visa validity and thus the six-month time period.’I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
Are there really any countries that won't allow their own citizens to enter just because the proof of their citizenship is "expired"? USA might give me a big hassle, but they have to let me in.I'm just making a guess here but I was thinking about why a country would want you to have a passport valid for six months after entry. This is what I came up with for the case of having just enough time on the passport to handle a valid visit.
Where do you live in the US? Most likely You can get a same day appointment.I'm crushed! Spent the day searching for flights to Porto and pulled out my credit card and paid. Only afterward did passport info show on the booking site informing me that mine, which expires on 30 December 2022 would not allow me into Portugal because the expiration date was less than 90 days from my return flight. Even with extra fees for "expedited" processing, 5-7 weeks is the stated processing time for a passport renewal. I had assumed that an expiration two months after my return would do fine until the rude awakening. The airline is cancelling my reservation and returning payment since I booked less than an hour before and I will go ahead with a passport application, but whether I can start my Camino as planned is seriously doubtful. Few people will be caught in this bind, but it's something I wish I had been aware of!
I did this 30 years ago and it worked. It’s expensive but You’ll have to figure out what is more important, the expense or being able to do the trip.Your nationality is not stated but it is possible to renew a US passport in one day. Below is a link to one story but I've seen some others.
Getting a same-day passport saved our vacation - The Points Guy
Some travel mistakes are minor and can be solved pretty easily. On other occasions though, you might make a mistake that could potentially cost you the entir...thepointsguy.com
According to the US gov't site it's this:This is not a new phenomenon-- I have known three would-be pilgrims caught out by this. Airline websites normally advise people of t his, and for those of us who have worked with travel agents, this has long been known. One friend notes that this sometimes happens to those who rarely (if ever) travel outside their countries and whose mindset is not passport-oriented.
I didn't realize this and the customs guy at Lisbon pointed out I only within a week of being denied entry. Nothing was said at Madrid where I transferred.Just a heads up: I saw on Facebook where someone whose passport was only two months from expiring was denied boarding at the airport. Be sure you've got at minimum six months left on your current passport before setting off. It's easy to overlook it when you know it's valid today.
Nothing would be said at Madrid because you entered the Schengen zone at Lisbon. Madrid was simply an identity check. Glad you squeaked in!I didn't realize this and the customs guy at Lisbon pointed out I only within a week of being denied entry. Nothing was said at Madrid where I transferred.
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