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For some of us, the question is not whether we would rather be bitten than to spray our pack and the outside of our sleeping bag with an insecticide. The issue is whether we want to risk taking bed bugs home and having to manage an infestation in our home.Id rather be bitten by a bug then sleeping in a poison soaked sleeping bag. Montsanto will probably say its safeits not such a big deal for most.
I don't think that Monsanto makes permethrin.Montsanto will probably say its safe
That was a joke, sort of. Anyway it causes lung and liver cancer in mice. Ill kiss a bedbug instead. Just in case. But feel free.I don't think that Monsanto makes permethrin.
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I am a bit concerned bed bugs and from reading some posts it is suggested treating your sleeping bag and bed sheet with permethrin. I have seen various sprays for sale that contain this but not a liquid form that you could add to a wash. Any suggestions?
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As I say, banned in the Netherlands
Really? I have found three permethrin based medicinal products approved for human use by the Medicines Evaluation Board of the Netherlands, and fifty-six products approved for animal use. Perhaps you should deal in facts, rather than the scaremongering you have been engaged so far. The product may not be approved for certain types of use - what are they? Because clearly it isn't banned completely.As I say, banned in the Netherlands
Really? I have found three permethrin based medicinal products approved for human use by the Medicines Evaluation Board of the Netherlands, and fifty-six products approved for animal use. Perhaps you should deal in facts, rather than the scaremongering you have been engaged so far. The product may not be approved for certain types of use - what are they? Because clearly it isn't banned completely.
Yes, permethrin is a poison, but it is not poisonous to humans at the levels of exposure one would have coming into contact with permethrin treated clothing or equipment. Follow the directions and avoid contact with the moist areas of your body. So don't kiss a bedbug that has already walked across a permethrin treated sleeping bag! And if you treat your sleeping bag, wear untreated sleepwear
Have you seen a peer review? Or even a final conclusion? Who did the research? I find disclaimers like that disturbing.???? I fail to see the connection between the quotation from the publication, and Permethrin being banned in the Netherlands.
In other words, such language is not a message questioning the validity of its articles. But, since these types of publications want to preserve their credibility as a good source for papers and studies to undergo peer review, they try to separate the junk science from that which appears to use reasonable methodologies.
To treat scabbies, its actually 2 you found (2 are the same) and lice. I can understand that for highly contagious infections with parasites and with short exposure.
Several years ago the army needed special permission to treat uniforms with permethrin for soldiers being sent abroad (Im ex army) These are exceptions. For broad use it is banned. If the army is reluctant in using it and is only using it in very special situations you have me worried. We also use uranium in hospitals. You cant throw a block in your sleeping bag however (probably would be effective).
Scaremongering? like DDT was used in the past, no problem, cover yourself in it, breath some in and no more lice or mosquito bites. Your kids might be born with defects but the effects are not imediate. I am not saying this will be the same but I personally dont want to sleep in it for 6 weeks. Its a nerve agent.
But feel free. If you embrace the stuff go ahead. Down here we are advised not to. Just my opinion.
Have you seen a peer review? Or even a final conclusion? Who did the research? I find disclaimers like that disturbing.
Have you seen a peer review? Or even a final conclusion? Who did the research? I find disclaimers like that disturbing.
A little knowledge does indeed appear to be a dangerous thing.
Incomplete and uninformed, even more so.
Gerard
Might sound safe enough for you but ill decline, thank you.
permethrin is banned in my country.
As I say, banned in the Netherlands
To treat scabbies, its actually 2 you found (2 are the same) and lice.
Yes, scaremongering, and you are doing it again here. Your decision to not use this product is perfectly reasonable. No-one is forcing you to use it. But lets not pretend that it is based on a well formed understanding of the product safety issues involved, because clearly it isn't.Scaremongering? like DDT was used in the past, no problem, cover yourself in it, breath some in and no more lice or mosquito bites. Your kids might be born with defects but the effects are not imediate. I am not saying this will be the same but I personally dont want to sleep in it for 6 weeks. Its a nerve agent.
So let me understand where we are at here. I demonstrated that your blanket assertion that permethrin is banned in the Netherlands was false, and you now want to quibble over whether there are two or three products allowed for human use? Lets just accept that its not banned, but it may not be approved for all the uses which might be available in other jurisdictions.
Yes, scaremongering, and you are doing it again here. Your decision to not use this product is perfectly reasonable. No-one is forcing you to use it. But lets not pretend that it is based on a well formed understanding of the product safety issues involved, because clearly it isn't.
Let me reiterate:
- Yes, permethrin is a poison, but it is not poisonous to humans at the levels of exposure one would have coming into contact with permethrin treated clothing or equipment.
- Yes, special care is needed during the application of this product to clothing and equipment. This is both for your own protection, and for the environment.
- Follow the directions provided by the manufacturer.
That would require that one has a chest freezer.A good way of getting rid of stowaways in your kit. Is to put it all in the chest freezer when you get home.
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Permethrin is poisonous for humans, that is a fact.
But it is much more poisonous for insects, i.e. scabies.
Last year I had a scabies infestation, brought back by a student from his land of vacation (a single contact was enough), that was treated with a balm containing Permethrin. You have to rub your whole body ONCE to kill all scabies. The Instructions clearly warned: do not use a Permethrin-based product within the next 4 weeks.
It's just an assessment of risks and benefits.
I prefer to sleep in a liner not covered with Permethrin.
Roland
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