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It depends on the town, day of the week etc. Usually not before 12, sometimes much later.what time do the bars close???
Maybe try del Norte? Here in San Sebastián now. Significantly cooler than Madrid. Also, highly recommend “HikeGoo” ( from REI if you’re in US, others recommend Vaseline) for feet. Mine blistered up in Madrid just walking around, I think due to not being used to warmer temp; that and some Compeed blister pads took care of problem.concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures.
Yes, they’ll see you coming a mile off and be ready and waiting for you. In most big cities there will still be bars open when you’re setting off.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
At one albergue the lights were switched on at 1:00 by a fellow looking for a blanket. Within seconds, literally, I turned the switch located on the other side of the room off again and in my mind spoke enough words to put the fear of God into him. Peg later told me that I sounded quite polite. That sort of hurt my pride but, at any rate, the lights did not get turned on and I didn't hear him make any noise.Violent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and you are getting up at 4 am and you start flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, now your life is in danger.
I think the biggest danger starting out so early,especially when road walking is the risk from cars and lorries,some pilgrims leaving whilst dark use a hi viz vest and I have seen some use hi viz tape on their packs to alert driversLike others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
Although two shady looking guys were following a German girl for a while after Astorga on my first camino, so I struck up a conversation with her and got her to her albergue in El Ganso.
You are right. Indeed the chances of being a victim of a robbery in any city in Europe are very small. In rural Spain they virtually sink to zero. That doesn’t necessarily prevent all of us feeling vulnerable in a whole range of situations. The reality, though, is that the fear of crime is far greater than the likelihood.You are walking through farming country. Robbery is quite simply "not a thing" in the places you will be walking, and exceedingly is rare even in city centers in Spain. It is a peaceful place with minimal violent crime. If you walk through the center of Logrono, Pamplona, Burgos, or Leon at 4:00 AM it is very likely that you will see drunken revelers, particularly on the weekends. It is extremely unlikely that you will be robbed.
Yes the difference in robbery is that someone confronts you and takes something with a threat of force. I agree that is very unlikely. Theft though can happen when someone takes your things without you knowing. It has been said a lot lately, but secure your valuables and keep them on your person at all times or in a secure bag in the shower cabinet with you.You are right. Indeed the chances of being a victim of a robbery in any city in Europe are very small. In rural Spain they virtually sink to zero. That doesn’t necessarily prevent all of us feeling vulnerable in a whole range of situations. The reality, though, is that the fear of crime is far greater than the likelihood.
What a gent. You very likely deflected a potential incident.
Ditto on some kind of “goo” for the feet. A nature guide friend of mine in Baja (México) recommended a mixture of beeswax, paraffin wax and lanolin to help retain your skin’s natural moisture and protect it from drying out and cracking. The closest thing to that combo that I’ve come across and have been using with good results contains beeswax, dimethicone, petrolatum and lanolin. It’s called “Pro-Tech-Skin, is made in South Carolina (US) and can be found at www.atsko.com.Maybe try del Norte? Here in San Sebastián now. Significantly cooler than Madrid. Also, highly recommend “HikeGoo” ( from REI if you’re in US, others recommend Vaseline) for feet. Mine blistered up in Madrid just walking around, I think due to not being used to warmer temp; that and some Compeed blister pads took care of problem.
Why, why oh why would even consider starting walking at such an hour! Beats me.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
Totally agree, as it not only P*** others off and it achieves nothing as you will miss so much in those dark hours, I have noticed more and more it has become a race to the next albergue...stop and smell the flowers.Violent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and are getting up at 4 am and flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, your life will be in danger.
My internal alarm wakes me up after @5 hours of sleep. It’s like clockwork (sorryWhy, why oh why would even consider starting walking at such an hour! Beats me.
A splendid word which disappeared from English in the UK in the C19.behoove
Yes please don’t be one of those people.Violent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and are getting up at 4 am and flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, your life will be in danger.
I don’t think that’s a good idea, I met a couple that tried to start that early they got lost. , one tripped and skinned her knee and they admitted that missed the sites and view. It’s not worth itLike others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
If you are walking now the temperature is okay I just finished the Camino France. I started in February and very cold. Most bars are open until 9 -10pmLike others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
Like most respondents to your initial inquiry, the issue of potential theft/robbery is, IMHO, grossly overestimated...Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
We don’t use it much over this side of the pond, either. Just thought I’d toss it out there to see if folks are awake. I guess I got your attentionA splendid word which disappeared from English in the UK in the C19.
Has anyone mentioned that the ”heat of the day” in Spain comes after 3pm? For how many hours do you plan to walk, and in which month?Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. ???
For example, today at my home near Boston solar noon came at 12:45 but in León, about halfway on the Camino Francés, it came at 2:22.Has anyone mentioned that the ”heat of the day” in Spain comes after 3pm?
Maybe one of these would work. I brought one back and it is hanging next to the front door.A girl I talked to on my first camino told me (and I have no idea how true this is) that getting one of those blue eye looking medallions puts the fear in the beggars, due to superstitions and all that mumbo jumbo.
Don't know about all bars but one I slept over, and I use that term lightly, did not close until 3am. 6am in Estella and there were still people partying from the night before. Invited me to join them so earliest beer I ever had followed by earliest wine at Irache. I often was on the trail by 6 and never encountered any unwelcome problems in 5 caminos. You should be OK but as in all advice about personal security, stay alert just in caseLike others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
I was never one to start at 4, but as one who regularly started between 5 and 6 on a summer Camino to avoid walking in the hottest part of the day (starting earlier in the year wasn't an option), I can say that afternoon naps are your friends. And after an early start, and a day's walk, having a nap in the heat of the day isn't that difficult.People have mentioned how bad it would be if you got up at 4 in an albergue and disrupted the others but think about how impossible it will be for you to get a full nights sleep if lights out is at 10. Six hours of sleep, night after night is unsustainable. I would ask if you are practicing self-care by not exposing yourself to hot temps while walking, then why are you hurting yourself with poor sleep. Take it from the others more experienced pilgrims in the group, start out later, walk the Norte, start earlier in the year, etc. I can also encourage you to consider for a moment the temperatures won’t be as bad as you are imagining and perhaps your body will adjust to the new climate better than you think.
Ah, yes, the quintessential time of rest during the hottest part of the day…la siestita. The summers where I live in México are hot - not unusual to have a couple of weeks running of 40C days and 27C nights. One must do as the locals do; get your chores done early before the heat really kicks in in the afternoon @3PM and then hunker down till the sun goes down. I believe such a plan will work well on a hot day under the Spanish sun on the Camino.I was never one to start at 4, but as one who regularly started between 5 and 6 on a summer Camino to avoid walking in the hottest part of the day (starting earlier in the year wasn't an option), I can say that afternoon naps are your friends. And after an early start, and a day's walk, having a nap in the heat of the day isn't that difficult.
Behoove is such a great word. Some of us in the colonies still use it; sparingly, of courseA splendid word which disappeared from English in the UK in the C19.
Yeah, it is. But, as you say, don’t overdo it.Behoove is such a great word. Some of us in the colonies still use it; sparingly, of course
It behooves me to throw it into a sentence at every available opportunity.Behoove is such a great word. Some of us in the colonies still use it; sparingly, of course
And there is one amongst us who uses plethora in a plethora of posts. Let's wait for a confession.It behooves me to throw it into a sentence at every available opportunity.
Hmmm. I haven’t been around the forum very long, but already the suspense is killing me.And there is one amongst us who uses plethora in a plethora of posts. Let's wait for a confession.
It's me!...and here is a plethora of laughter...And there is one amongst us who uses plethora in a plethora of posts. Let's wait for a confession.
Violent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and are getting up at 4 am and flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, your life will be in danger.
Hahaha, for sure you may not make it to the doorViolent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and are getting up at 4 am and flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, your life will be in danger.
My experience of Logrono during the September Festival was anything but peaceful. Loud rowdy drunken crowds at it until the small hours. I finally left my accommodation at 4.00 am and made my escape alone in the dark through the city and into the big park on the outskirts of the city. So my advice is to avoid Fiesta Season if you want a decent night's sleep. Admittedly I neither witnessed, nor experienced, any criminal activity whatsoever in Logrono or on any other part of the Camino over several years' walks.You are walking through farming country. Robbery is quite simply "not a thing" in the places you will be walking, and exceedingly is rare even in city centers in Spain. It is a peaceful place with minimal violent crime. If you walk through the center of Logrono, Pamplona, Burgos, or Leon at 4:00 AM it is very likely that you will see drunken revelers, particularly on the weekends. It is extremely unlikely that you will be robbed.
Please book single rooms everywhere you are getting up at 330 to walk at 4. You're gonna experience the biggest threat from pissed off pilgrims trying to sleep thru your racket of packing up in the am. This is not the way to do it. Go in march if you are worried about the heat. Get up at 7 have breakfast drink coffee have a great experience seeing the camino in the daylight.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
When I walked the Camino Francés early mornings before sunrise, I was more worried about being seen by early morning drivers. I used one of the nite-Ize flashing red lights, that has a built in carabiner (https://niteize.com/illumination/lifestyle/spotlitr-carabiner-light) clipped to the middle back of my backpack and I put a piece reflective tape on each of my trekking poles. I also used a headlamp.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
What if they cannot afford private accommodations? What if they cannot travel in March due to work etc? Why are you saying there's only one way to walk the Camino?Please book single rooms everywhere you are getting up at 330 to walk at 4. You're gonna experience the biggest threat from pissed off pilgrims trying to sleep thru your racket of packing up in the am. This is not the way to do it. Go in march if you are worried about the heat. Get up at 7 have breakfast drink coffee have a great experience seeing the camino in the daylight.
You are completely wasting your time. In Summer, there will always be people getting up pre-dawn and there's not a thing you can do about it. Your pleading on here will have absolutely zero effect on Summer pilgrims.Please book single rooms everywhere you are getting up at 330 to walk at 4. You're gonna experience the biggest threat from pissed off pilgrims trying to sleep thru your racket of packing up in the am. This is not the way to do it. Go in march if you are worried about the heat. Get up at 7 have breakfast drink coffee have a great experience seeing the camino in the daylight.
Left early a lot of days in the dark when I was there. The thing was I didn't keep my head lamp on I have a really good eyesight so if the terrain was pretty good I had it off until I needed it and just used the moonlight. I never did feel like I had an issue thoughLike others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
I would be more worried about breaking my neck walking in the dark.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
Hence my March startYou are completely wasting your time. In Summer, there will always be people getting up pre-dawn and there's not a thing you can do about it. Your pleading on here will have absolutely zero effect on Summer pilgrims.
Yep a little consideration goes a long way. that was my point about not being a part of the up at 4 crowd. Making noise before 6am and after 10 pm is part of the kind considerate hospolitaleros request of the albergues on the camino. If one is unable to stay quiet due to ones inability to afford accommodation or take time off maybe the camino albergue concept is not for someone. it is hot in spain in the summer. hundreds of thousands of people do the camino in the summer. in summer it is no longer really a holy pilgramage when filled with people making human trains carrying flags yelling across the landscape to each other and flying 2 drones around the cruce de ferro at sunrise. yes this happened to me today and a week ago at the cruce. there is no one way to walk the camino. in fact there are hundreds of thousands of ways. if you want peace from the folks planking off the cruce for a selfie... March may be your time. If you have to go in the summer it is more of a vacation hike not as much a solo pilgrimage. No big deal, book with a tour company jacotrans your pack and enjoy! It's your camino!What if they cannot afford private accommodations? What if they cannot travel in March due to work etc? Why are you saying there's only one way to walk the Camino?
I stay in public albergues knowing full well that not everyone is going to act exactly like I do and walk the Camino exactly like I do. It comes with the territory. Part of communal living.
There is truth in what you say , sometimes the Camino is a “spring Break” and many times is a reflective challenge. I prefer the reflection.Yep a little consideration goes a long way. that was my point about not being a part of the up at 4 crowd. Making noise before 6am and after 10 pm is part of the kind considerate hospolitaleros request of the albergues on the camino. If one is unable to stay quiet due to ones inability to afford accommodation or take time off maybe the camino albergue concept is not for someone. it is hot in spain in the summer. hundreds of thousands of people do the camino in the summer. in summer it is no longer really a holy pilgramage when filled with people making human trains carrying flags yelling across the landscape to each other and flying 2 drones around the cruce de ferro at sunrise. yes this happened to me today and a week ago at the cruce. there is no one way to walk the camino. in fact there are hundreds of thousands of ways. if you want peace from the folks planking off the cruce for a selfie... March may be your time. If you have to go in the summer it is more of a vacation hike not as much a solo pilgrimage. No big deal, book with a tour company jacotrans your pack and enjoy! It's your camino!
Hi you forgot to put down taking up all the washing line space,and heavy snoring, is there anything elseViolent crime while walking on the path is extremely rare. However, if you are staying in an albergue and are getting up at 4 am and flipping light switches, rustling plastic bags, and slamming shower doors, your life will be in danger.
I very much doubt you'll have problems with people getting up pre-dawn in March. If you were referring to the Summer, your pleading post was therefore entirely moot.Hence my March start
I couldn't disagree more. It is a pilgrimage at any time of year. Have you walked the Camino in the Summer? I guess you believe that the Camino was not a holy pilgrimage for the thousands who were on it each day during the peak of the Middle Ages. They must simply have been on their vacation.in summer it is no longer really a holy pilgramage when filled with people making human trains carrying flags yelling across the landscape to each other and flying 2 drones around the cruce de ferro at sunrise....... If you have to go in the summer it is more of a vacation hike not as much a solo pilgrimage.
Yeah, I understand @ the latitude difference. I’m from the mid Atlantic region, a few hrs south of NY, and it still gets stinky hot and humid there during the “dog days” of summer. But I assumed (bad move on my part) when folks said heat wave, it meant higher than the 80s. My errorQuite a different latitude between Cabo and Northern Spain which has the same latitude as New York. It's just . . . well, science.
I simply love Mexico. Been down the Baja peninsula and to Cabo San Lucas many times, although I have come to really appreciate the old town part of San Jose del Cabo. In the past 15 years, I have settled on San Miguel de Allende as being my favorite Mexican town--although virtually any of the colonial towns are great. I imagine you're fluent in Spanish. I thought my Mexican Spanish would get me by on the Camino, but I was pretty well flummoxed by Spain Spanish. Gotten better over time, but I still seem to hear and comprehend Spanish in Mexico far better than I do in Spain, but I'm working on getting better.Yeah, I understand @ the latitude difference. I’m from the mid Atlantic region, a few hrs south of NY, and it still gets stinky hot and humid there during the “dog days” of summer. But I assumed (bad move on my part) when folks said heat wave, it meant higher than the 80s. My error
BTW, Los Cabos is often “a bit” cooler in summer as it is on our Baja “Finisterre” where the Pacific breezes moderate the temps somewhat. I live farther north () and on the Sea of Cortez side of the peninsula. The winds, when they do blow, are just hot coming off the the desert as they mostly do. Needless to say, winters are much nicer.
Thank you for the first hand info on temps there on the CF. It is very much appreciated.
Buen Camino
By the way, I don't think you're in error. II don't know what the actual definition of a heat wave is as it pertains to Spain, but 80+ and into the 90's definitely happens during a heat wave--there was one in early to mid June last year as well as later in July. But again, with the peculiar time zone anomaly there, it would be rare to see much above 80 before the afternoonBut I assumed (bad move on my part) when folks said heat wave, it meant higher than the 80s. My error
Very good! Baja is magical, but like all things everywhere, it is changing. San Lucas and San José were sleepy fishing towns when I moved to BCS in ‘96. Now they rival Cancun and the Riviera Maya for the # of turistas visiting and ex-pats moving in, at least part-time. Anyway, we probably shouldn’t take up space going on about México here. Feel free to contact me on the private wire or whatever it’s called. We can charlar más if you’d like.I simply love Mexico. Been down the Baja peninsula and to Cabo San Lucas many times, although I have come to really appreciate the old town part of San Jose del Cabo. In the past 15 years, I have settled on San Miguel de Allende as being my favorite Mexican town--although virtually any of the colonial towns are great. I imagine you're fluent in Spanish. I thought my Mexican Spanish would get me by on the Camino, but I was pretty well flummoxed by Spain Spanish. Gotten better over time, but I still seem to hear and comprehend Spanish in Mexico far better than I do in Spain, but I'm working on getting better.
The bigger danger lies in tripping on rocks in the darkness-even with a headlamp. Be careful.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
I agree with others on lack of crime. You may be surprised by the temps and not feel the need to leave that early. Your biggest issue will be missing the arrows and heading in a wrong direction.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
I walked last July and quite a few pilgrims were leaving between 4-5 to beat the heat- some were able to slip out so quietly by having their bag prepacked the night before.I greatly appreciate all this activity. Thank you, all! Good thoughts, good energy. My situation might be unique. I have a medical condition whose medication raises my body temperature. Plus, I am 80 years old. Here in the PNW of the US I will train in shirtsleeves in temperatures in the high 30s F! I know I will acclimate and look forward to that but in the meantime I need to account for the major energy loss that accompanies overheating. Of course I will incorporate all the offered suggestions for cooling but I need to be prepared if they are insufficient.
Thank you, Ivar, for changing the title of this thread!!!
Buen Camino
I walk early (not 4am early) to avoid the sun and heat. I'm very fair, and dont cope with the heat as well as some.Like others who have recently posted, I live/train in a very cool environment and am concerned about the shock of Trail temperatures. There has been much valuable info on how to minimize that shock, and I appreciate it. But I'm considering taking that advice a bit further, by starting each morning VERY early - like 4:00 AM. But being out there along and marked by a bright head lamp, I am wondering if I would be an easy target for robbery. I guess a collateral question is, what time do the bars close???
I like soaking the hat. Did that on a different hike and it was effective and amusingIf you carry a light weight UV resistant umbrella you carry your own shade with you. This allows you to take off your hat and enjoy cool breezes on your head. When it is too windy to manage the umbrella I soak my hat in every fountain I pass. Buen Camino
Many time there is low humidity on the Camino , but strong sun glareYeah, I understand @ the latitude difference. I’m from the mid Atlantic region, a few hrs south of NY, and it still gets stinky hot and humid there during the “dog days” of summer. But I assumed (bad move on my part) when folks said heat wave, it meant higher than the 80s. My error
BTW, Los Cabos is often “a bit” cooler in summer as it is on our Baja “Finisterre” where the Pacific breezes moderate the temps somewhat. I live farther north () and on the Sea of Cortez side of the peninsula. The winds, when they do blow, are just hot coming off the the desert as they mostly do. Needless to say, winters are much nicer.
Thank you for the first hand info on temps there on the CF. It is very much appreciated.
Buen Camino
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