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Is it time to resurrect the Botafumeiro weed fake news again or is that due to reappear next month?Sorry, but I see that this ""news"" is doing the rounds again right now, so expect more threads with this ""announcement"" in the coming days and weeks.
Is it time to resurrect the Botafumeiro weed fake news again or is that due to reappear next month?
I'm expecting to see it in multiple Camino Facebook groups soon.
And you can't even blame people who are forwarding and multiplying what they picked up somewhere on social media or elsewhere on the net when you read online in the New York Times, Travel section, dated Jan. 16, 2020, 1:29 p.m. ET (that was about an hour ago):
After January 2021, as part of a new security system intended to screen visa-free travelers, Americans will be required to register with the European Travel Information and Authorization System. (Britons and people from other countries will also need to apply to E.T.I.A.S.) Getting the authorization involves registering online and paying a small fee. The E.T.I.A.S. requirement happens to coincide with Brexit but the two are not related.B******S.
Can I say that? And will Americans understand it? Sorry, but I see that this ""news"" is doing the rounds again right now, so expect more threads with this ""announcement"" in the coming days and weeks.
Thankx for the official link--as with any regulation, it may take longer.Please note the link provided does not appear to be to an official EU/EC website. I would be extremely wary of providing the required, or any, data to this site.
If you want some facts try here: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...ation-system-etias-council-adopts-regulation/
You will note that the new regulations are "expected" to be in effect in 2021. We'll see, no doubt, in time.
That's rather wishful thinking.If you are a frequent traveller into the EU and want to avoid this hassle, then check your genes. Immigration was very popular until recently and you may find you have an entitlement to a EU passport based on jure sanguinis.
That's rather wishful thinking.
That's rather wishful thinking.
Thank you for the heads up, good to know.For anyone planning to walk a camino in 2021 please note that we will need to complete an ETIAS application before entering the Schengen area. Here's the first paragraph from their website:
ENTRY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SCHENGEN ZONE
ETIAS stands for Europe Travel Information and Authorization system. Following terrorist attacks, the EU saw the need to increment safety. The ETIAS program has been created to improve security in the area, both for locals and visitors.
The European Council is certain that this new border and migration policy will increase security and help protect Europe from any possible future threats. ETIAS aims to increase mobility and migration of foreign visitors.
The ETIAS for EU proposal suggests that initially there will be 60 countries eligible to submit an online ETIAS visa waiver application. The ETIAS visa waiver is a travel authorization for business or touristic purposes, and will not be a substitute for a student or working visa. Any third country nationals who wish to live, study, work, or remain in Europe longer than 90 days, will have to apply for a different type of visa.
The following eligible ETIAS countries will be expected to apply for the European visa waiver as of 2021. Applicants need to meet the ETIAS requirements to get the visa waiver. Among the requirements, visitors need to have a passport from one of the ETIAS eligible countries.
For further information, you may go here: information re ETIAS requirements
My apologies if this has been posted previously. I couldn't find it in a search.
That is not correct. All the rules and laws about Schengen are made by the EU and it is they who provide the information on their official websites, and their web address, as has been said already, all end in .europa.eu . The non-EU Schengen countries just have to tag along and pay their yearly contribution for the privilege. They have international agreements (""deals"") with the EU.Note Schengen Zone is not EU/EEC only. So it will note be an official EU website
1 MILLION extra Irish passports issued last year as well as, and this is really quite incredible, an upsurge in the British born descendants of ex-patriot German Jews requesting German passports.I have friends whose Irish immigrant (To England and Scotland) antecedents anglicised their surnames because of alleged discrimination.
Ironically there have been more British citizens checking their grandparents place of birth in the hope of finding one on the island of Ireland in the last three years than for many years before.
Umm, I think that you mean expatriate.an upsurge in the British born descendants of ex-patriot German Jews requesting German passports.
I love the english as she is spoke, don't you.Umm, I think that you mean expatriate.
Definition of expatriate | Dictionary.com
Expatriate definition, to banish (a person) from their native country. See more.www.dictionary.com
Very much so <blushes>Umm, I think that you mean expatriate.
Definition of expatriate | Dictionary.com
Expatriate definition, to banish (a person) from their native country. See more.www.dictionary.com
I wondered whether you had made a mistake or had worded it like this on purpose as many may well have been patriots who had loved their country of birth or homeland and had been very much attached to it ...Very much so <blushes>
I am seeing these third party sites popping up on other Camino groups and being defended as more up to date than the EU document referenced above. Do you have a source I can refer to for the information in red?According to the current indicative timeline (as of July 2019), and not according to what was intended or ambitiously envisaged several years ago when the EU took the decision to create this system, the European Travel Authorisation and Information System ETIAS will go live in the second half of 2022 and no longer in January 2021 as so often erroneously reported.
I found this up to date timeline for the implementation of the ETIAS system in a GSC working paper of July 2019 that had found its way to statewatch.org, and the timeline was provided by euLisa themselves.I am seeing these party sites popping up on other Camino groups and being defended as more up to date than the EU document referenced above. Do you have a source I can refer to for the information in red?
I don't think it is a trivial requirement. It would be a very bad idea to make that assumption and plan as if it were inconsequential!Does anyone have experience of the consequences of exceeding the 90 days? Is it really policed and punished?
I ask because I know one Australian who exceeded the 90 days and nothing was said or done about it.
Surprising to hear this Jill. Over the years there have been a few threads about ‘schengen’. rules etc. (Still there in the search ).I have never heard this term "Schengen" before.
I would never exceed the allowed time in schengen zone myself. Even if I managed to get there and back without a query … these stats (days in zone) would always be available on records. I would fear being disallowed ‘entry’ at some stage if the ‘overstay ‘ was flagged ..Does anyone have experience of the consequences of exceeding the 90 days? Is it really policed and punished?
Really? It has been discussed here quite often in the past.I have never heard this term "Schengen" before.
You come across the term often when travelling around airports in Europe - some terminals deal with Schengen flights, some don't.I have never heard this term "Schengen" before.
I think that if you think that you will need more than 90 days that you should apply for the appropriate visa before you leave home.I have heard of consequences and would not go over the 90 days.
I have been recently looking at the Schengen rules, and I am talking about this from an Australian point of view, but there are different visa categories whether you want to go out and leave the zone and then come back in - a different Schengen visa is required. Again, this is from Australia.
Now, a piggy back question.....
I cannot work out if it is possible to extend. The husband and I are planning (in a few years) to walk Le Puy-SDC (the Camino after the next one lol). We want to take it at a leisurely pace with some short days and a few rest days to explore, particularly in France). In addition we will be arriving from Australia so a rest day or two before starting and a couple of rest days at the end - maybe another country for a few days before we depart. To do this at a leisurely pace, I would think 90 days would be cutting it fine. Is there a way to extend to say 120 days?
I have spent a lot of time looking but cant come up with an answer!!!
Thanks to all those who can
Exceeding the 90 days is known as "overstaying." You can find some entertaining and informative anecdotes by googling "Schengen overstay experience"Does anyone have experience of the consequences of exceeding the 90 days? Is it really policed and punished?
Internet anecdotes from tourists who overstayed their 90 days in the Schengen Area vary from not being detected at all (credible) to being detected at exit control at the airport and just waived through (credible) or being stopped and fined (in some EU countries only, credible) or being thrown into prison and deported (not credible if bona fide tourist and not illegal immigrant) to having an entry ban stamped into their passport (credible).Does anyone have experience of the consequences of exceeding the 90 days? Is it really policed and punished?
I ask because I know one Australian who exceeded the 90 days and nothing was said or done about it.
I just mentioned the visa in regards to staying more than 90 days in the Schengen zone.trecile, no visa required for us Aussies, having said that - they are bringing in European Travel Information and Authorisation in 2022....
And that's the current plan for 2022 if and when EES is in operation: Your personal data, including the date when you leave Schengen, will be kept in the EU wide database for 6 months (180 days) if you did not overstay and it will be kept for 5 years if you overstayed.They are working on a large-scale IT system called EES, Entry-Exit-System, supposed to be in operation as of the beginning of next year 2022. If you are not a national or a legal resident of an EU country or of CH, N, IS and LI, your name, date of birth, other passport details and date of entry will be stored in a database and automatically checked when you leave. The familiar exit/entry stamps in your passports will be no more.
OMG. I knew more than a year beforehand that it wouldn't happen in 2021. Do I have psychic powers, I now wonder.Despite all the fanfare, it is not at all certain that the ETIAS system is up and running in a year's time in January 2021.
Let's see . . . the winning numbers for this Friday's EuroMillions lottery please (happy to split winnings 50-50)OMG. I knew more than a year beforehand that it wouldn't happen in 2021. Do I have psychic powers, I now wonder.
Let's see . . . the winning numbers for this Friday's EuroMillions lottery please (happy to split winnings 50-50)
Thanks for answering my question.Exceeding the 90 days is known as "overstaying." You can find some entertaining and informative anecdotes by googling "Schengen overstay experience"
Overstaying - even by one day - means that you risk being subject to penalties (e.g. fines, deportation, restriction on future travel to Schengen zone). And you might also spend some time in custody, waiting to be processed.
There isn't a trustworthy answer to the question "Will it really happen to me if I overstay by just a short time, and I haven't been working illegally, and I'm passing through border controls in a relaxed Mediterranean country, and I am an older, affluent, white, tourist rather than a younger, poor, brown, migrant worker?"
My gut might say "You'll be fine." but an agent having a bad hair day might decide that "You'll be fined."
There are a handful of legal ways to spend more than 90 days in the Schengen zone - as detailed on this blog:
Your Guide to (Legally) Staying in Europe for More Than 90 Days
Many people want to stay in the Schengen Zone longer than 90 days. This is a guide to show you how to legally do just that!www.nomadicmatt.com
It's an agreement between various European countries (not exactly the EU, but more or less). It briefly means that if you arrive in one Schengen country from outside the Schengen area (e.g. from the US), they will check your passport, smile (maybe) and let you in. After that, you can travel across freely into any other Schengen country without border checks because there aren't any, as you will notice if you go from Spain into Portugal or France. But (and it is a big but) you are only allowed 90 days, in total, in the Schengen area. You might not realise this until you come to leave, at which point the immigration official will probably get very cross and certainly put your name on a list of people who have overstayed their time in the Schengen area if you have been in the Schengen area for more than 90 days.I have never heard this term "Schengen" before.
But would it take more than 90 days to get to SdC?And nobody will be surprised to learn that the small town of Schengen is on a camino to Santiago de Compostela. The purple arrow head marks the spot:
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Perfection - colour blindness is never a problem . . . except when you need to discern colours!
Citizens of Australia and New Zealand have it great with lots of countries giving them special breaks. If they are careful about following the rules they can spend years in Europe as tourists. They should check out this web page:I cannot work out if it is possible to extend. The husband and I are planning (in a few years) to walk Le Puy-SDC (the Camino after the next one lol). We want to take it at a leisurely pace with some short days and a few rest days to explore, particularly in France). In addition we will be arriving from Australia so a rest day or two before starting and a couple of rest days at the end - maybe another country for a few days before we depart. To do this at a leisurely pace, I would think 90 days would be cutting it fine. Is there a way to extend to say 120 days?
That looks like a good resource for finding bilateral agreements, but I am not sure about the author's interpretation of the rules:They should check out this web page:
Unlimited visa in Europe. For Free. Maybe.
I spent nine out the last 12 months in Europe. 90 days in the Schengen area. Then 95 days out of the Schengen, in Belarus. Then 90 days in the Schengen. Words cannot describe how much I love Europe…thefreedominitiative.wordpress.com
I would check that with the countries that you're planning to visit before trying it."If one spends time in the listed countries (on the premise of the bilateral agreements), then travels to a Schengen country that does not have a bilateral agreement with Australia, it stands to reason that the conditions of the Schengen Agreement commence at that point."
I agree. It is my understanding that the Schengen visa has to be used first (do research on this or get a lawyer, I'm not one either).would check that with the countries that you're planning to visit before trying it.
I am not sure about the author's interpretation of the rules:
It stands to reason ... lovely ... I agree with you, it is smart to check this with the countries that someone is planning to visit before trying it."If one spends time in the listed countries (on the premise of the bilateral agreements), then travels to a Schengen country that does not have a bilateral agreement with Australia, it stands to reason that the conditions of the Schengen Agreement commence at that point."
Sorry but https://etias.com/ is not "their website". It is a commercial site.Authorization by ETIAS will not be required until 2023, per their web site (https://etias.com/). It will require a current passport. Checked your expiration date lately?
Another word of caution in addition to the words of cautions others have already posted: The nomadicmatt blog entry was last updated on June 5th, 2019. That was two years ago.Your Guide to (Legally) Staying in Europe for More Than 90 Days
Many people want to stay in the Schengen Zone longer than 90 days. This is a guide to show you how to legally do just that!www.nomadicmatt.com
I remember that you mentioned a bilateral agreement between the USA and Poland in older threads. I cannot find such an agreement in the list above. Do you have a link to it or do you know when it was concluded, in particular whether it was concluded before or after 2004 resp. 2007? Thanks.I read a report by an American who had a legal extended stay in Poland who got a severe punishment for overstaying in the Schengen zone when his plane home had a stopover in Geneva.
That's very surprising to me but who can argue with the Swiss over time keeping ?The combined time in Poland plus the "day" in Switzerland (really an hour or so in the airport) was more than the 90 day limit.
This took me awhile as the links I had in my notes are now dead. But here is the current way of accessing the agreement. As you can see I am showing how to find the information rather than just giving a URL, in case the URL changes again.I remember that you mentioned a bilateral agreement between the USA and Poland in older threads. I cannot find such an agreement in the list above. Do you have a link to it or do you know when it was concluded, in particular whether it was concluded before or after 2004 resp. 2007? Thanks.
Fascinating!!! How did you find this??? I did download the text, thank you. It is actually not a bilateral agreement but an exchange of diplomatic letters, though apparently good enough for Poland to regard it as law. I admit that I had read about this elsewhere, so the fact that it is not a proper bilateral agreement would explain why it is not the published list. I was puzzled by this.This took me awhile as the links I had in my notes are now dead. But here is the current way of accessing the agreement. As you can see I am showing how to find the information rather than just giving a URL, in case the URL changes again.
Go to Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs website
I found it about two years ago and I have since forgotten how. I did write some notes at the time though. Links were broken at a couple of websites but I figured I would start at the top of the Foreign Affairs site using the Chrome browser for translation. Originally I had to search for all agreements with the US and then search for "visa" among them. My notes though had the dates for the agreement and that allowed more direct access to the letters.Fascinating!!! How did you find this???
I know there are student visas, work visas, residence visas.... But are there ways suitable for those not working or studying or moving to Europe but simply on an extended pilgrimage, say from Geneva to SJPP or from Canterbury to Rome? I haven't heard of them and I am sure they would be of interest to some users of this forum.There are ways to stay in Europe longer than 90 days.
What we have been talking about mostly, and I think this may not have been made clear sometimes, are visa free stays in the Schengen area. Both the familiar up-to-90 days visa free stay within the whole Schengen area and the less familiar up-to-a-few months-at-best visa free stays in one of the Schengen countries on the basis of bilateral agreements between a Schengen country and a non-EU country.know there are student visas, work visas, residence visas.... But are there ways suitable for those not working or studying or moving to Europe but simply on an extended pilgrimage, say from Geneva to SJPP or from Canterbury to Rome? I haven't heard of them and I am sure they would be of interest to some users of this forum.
The following webpages might be useful for non-EU citizens to learn how to extend their stay in Europe/EU/Schengen zone.I know there are student visas, work visas, residence visas.... But are there ways suitable for those not working or studying or moving to Europe but simply on an extended pilgrimage, say from Geneva to SJPP or from Canterbury to Rome? I haven't heard of them and I am sure they would be of interest to some users of this forum.
This may not be a good option. Some countries (and your native country might be one of them) do not allow or recognise dual citizenship. Not to mention certain obligations that your newly embraced nationality might impose on you, e.g. jury duty, national service, tax on overseas earnings etc. Might be a good thing to check first.Another option is to apply for citizenship in an EU country. Although, my paternal family left GB in 1635 for America, my maternal Grandfather was born near Rome and arrived here in 1920 from Italy. If I were younger, I would certainly apply for dual citizenship…American and Italian citizenship. It is a matter of proving your heritage, money and wading through the process. Your heritage could open the doors to longer stays in Europe.
Even if you have no earnings to pay tax on, you'll probably need to file a more complicated tax return to your home country.tax on overseas earnings etc.
I think this may be true if one of your nationalities is US. I understand that most other countries place less of an administrative burden on their non-domiciled and/or non-earning nationals.Even if you have no earnings to pay tax on, you'll probably need to file a more complicated tax return to your home country.
Only for a minority of countries. I have dual citizenship with two passports, no complications for me. Theoretically I could have three passports as I was born in Fiji and lived their long enough to have citizenship but getting a Fiji passport is very expensive and doesn't add any value and so I haven't bothered.Even if you have no earnings to pay tax on, you'll probably need to file a more complicated tax return to your home country.
Have you heard about Brexit?Mostly it has been very useful to have dual citizenship.
In 2008 I went to Sweden for six months on a Masters student exchange to study at KTH in Stockholm. When I was planning my trip my UK passport had expired and so I got a six month student visa on my NZ passport.
While I was in Sweden I renewed my UK passport. Unfortunately, I ended up needing to stay seven months in Sweden and so I overstayed my visa. As I was leaving I anticipated some difficulties with Swedish immigration and the officer had a serious look on his face as I explained why I had overstayed my visa and he was reaching for an official pad when I flashed my UK passport at him and innocently asked "does this make a difference?" He rolled his eyes and waved me through saying "If you have that passport you can stay as long as you like".
There was only one occasion when having two passports caused some initial issues and that was reported in this post https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/back-up-documents.68910/post-885389
No politics pleaseHave you heard about Brexit?
Wow, that's quite a story - machine gun being pointed at you by border control at Zurich airport!There was only one occasion when having two passports caused some initial issues and that was reported in this post https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/back-up-documents.68910/post-885389
Just saw a very recent official report. As usual, there are laggards among the 30 Schengen countries as far as the technical and preparatory legal work for the future Entry-Exit system is concerned:if things go according to plan.
The US allows dual citizenship for its citizens. This means that you can hold your US passport and be a citizen in another country at the same time. One of the easiest ways to acquire dual citizenship is by descent. Many countries let you claim citizenship if your parents, grandparents or — in some cases — great grandparents were born in said country.So if descend from an EU member country and want to stay longer than 90 days at a time in the EU, this might be worth exploring. This takes time and will cost some money, and you will need supportive documentation. So it is not a last minute solution. But if you intended to travel for many years this might be worth exploring.This may not be a good option. Some countries (and your native country might be one of them) do not allow or recognise dual citizenship. Not to mention certain obligations that your newly embraced nationality might impose on you, e.g. jury duty, national service, tax on overseas earnings etc. Might be a good thing to check first.
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